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need help with a car
Zero Point
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RE: need help with a car
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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:23 PM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:19 PM)
Bicnarok  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:12 PM)
I did a similar thing to my Volvo v40 to the engine & airbag light. I took the dash off and removed the bulbs, and it ran without any problems for another two years. Even the MOT people didn´t notice it:)

chuckle
Sometimes it's not worth spending a heap of money to find out the tricky little doodad is faulty.

You don't have to spend anything to check codes. Sometimes the repair is a waste of time, but you want to be alerted if something important happens. So OP should spend some effort to shut the light off.

If you haven't done it yet, unplug the negative cable of the battery for a few minutes and reconnect it. (Car OFF, key OUT chuckle )That should clear the codes. If you already fixed the problem(through dumb luck) you're done.

If it comes back on, follow my earlier instructions.

Yeah, there's even an Iphone ap for checking the fault code.
Mind you, when the car's worth $1000 (maybe) I'd be grateful it's running and start saving for a new, old POS...
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reading this makes me appreciate my 16 old Honda civic, no onboard computer, error codes and any of that. Just get in, drive and get places.

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Though I wouldn't mind a fully-computerised car for fun, I'd tend to get the simplest one for my daily needs.

It wasn't easy to find, but my car has manual windows and a manual transmission. The only significant piece of electronics in it apart from the stereo is the air-bag circuit. ... and I nearly didn't buy it because of that - I disabled the air-bag as soon as I could.

What good are power windows when the battery's flat? Or when something goes wrong? That's a disaster. How about if you inadvertantly end up in some water and the electric windows are shorted-closed? Or the auto door locks imprison you inside? Wind-up windows for me every time.

Mine also has a carburettor rather than electronic fuel injection... More options - less parts to go wrong... and I really think fuel pumps inside the tank are barmy. Very tricky and expensive to replace, and if you usually drive with less than a quarter of a tank then the pump will probably be slowly overheating itself into an early demise because it's the fuel in the tank which cools the motor.

My way of looking at it is if I can't fix it myself then I'm taking a risk driving it. I don't like my machines to be smart. I'll do the thinking. I just need a few sensors and I'll decide what action needs to be taken by my interpretation of them.

And my little Honda cub, which is forty years old won't be getting retired and replaced anytime soon with a new Honda Cub because all the new ones are EFI, and this goes against my policy of getting stuff only if I am able to fix it myself. The injectors can probably be fixed but if the electronics get fried then the whole system is useless and very likely pricey to fix.

I want one of those ancient diesel jeeps or a LandRover with no electronics at all in the engine or transmission department. I can plug electronics into the battery side, but I don't want electronics running essential engine functions.
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RE: need help with a car
Zero Point  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:28 PM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:23 PM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:19 PM)
chuckle
Sometimes it's not worth spending a heap of money to find out the tricky little doodad is faulty.

You don't have to spend anything to check codes. Sometimes the repair is a waste of time, but you want to be alerted if something important happens. So OP should spend some effort to shut the light off.

If you haven't done it yet, unplug the negative cable of the battery for a few minutes and reconnect it. (Car OFF, key OUT chuckle )That should clear the codes. If you already fixed the problem(through dumb luck) you're done.

If it comes back on, follow my earlier instructions.

Yeah, there's even an Iphone ap for checking the fault code.
Mind you, when the car's worth $1000 (maybe) I'd be grateful it's running and start saving for a new, old POS...

Tercel is a pertty great little crapbox.

I'd fix it right.

Besides, it's getting really hard to find a decent used car for a sane price.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
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Zero Point
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RE: need help with a car
Bicnarok  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:28 PM)
reading this makes me appreciate my 16 old Honda civic, no onboard computer, error codes and any of that. Just get in, drive and get places.

chuckle I bought a '92 Mitsubishi Magna wagon off the side of the road once for $900 (with 10 months rego).
Damn thing ran for 2 years as my work site runabout, being driven hard by a bunch of stupid gorillas with no maintenance.
I sold it with no rego for around $400 and nearly cried, even the AC worked good...
Point is, sometimes you get lucky with an old jap car, sometimes you don't.
Either way you're not out big bucks..
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RE: need help with a car
Bicnarok  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:28 PM)
reading this makes me appreciate my 16 old Honda civic, no onboard computer, error codes and any of that. Just get in, drive and get places.

The new cars after 1996 in a way are nice, in that when something goes wrong it TELLS you what the issue is... Those cars from the 70's and 80's with all the vacuum operated mechanical emissions crap and everything could be genuine NIGHTMARES when some damn thing crapped out and trying to figure out what and why was an act of the Gods...

Of course the REALLY old stuff is so simple that almost nothing ever breaks and when it does, there's only 3 or 4 things to check before you find the problem and replace a $10 part and you're good for another 50,000 miles...

Of course when you get into this shit deep enough, the computerized cars are convenient because when you make mods like more compression or different cams or a turbo or something you can just reprogram the ECU to handle the increased fuel delivery and change the ignition timing and a 100 other parameters... You tune it with a laptop!

Shit changes, but most stuff stays the same.
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Bicnarok  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:28 PM)
reading this makes me appreciate my 16 old Honda civic, no onboard computer, error codes and any of that. Just get in, drive and get places.

I loved my civic. 1984(was computerized) got 40mpg.

20XX models are worse. That should be a crime.

But German and british luxury cars are even stupider. Check bulb light gos on if you use a steel clad bulb(which is what most places sell) Gotta replace with copper.

At the performance shop I worked in Lynwood, WA we didn't gouge people for that, but other shops will. And it was part of our courtesy inspction w/oil change so it was a pain in the ass for no real pay.

But we made it up on other repairs like brake jobs. I loved tho$e.

chuckle

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RE: need help with a car
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:19 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:16 PM)
pascal  Wrote: (03-17-2012 02:53 PM)
1995 toyota tercel 1.5 liter automatic tranny
i have a constant check engine light, i replaced the o2 sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, air filter, it runs strong and well....has 185,000 miles on engine....

I'm still laughing.

Your problem is a bum catalytic converter...probably...p0420 on obd2. But hey, if you don't want to bother checking the obd system feel free to keep throwing money at it.

It's not OBD2.

Toyota proprietary.

Call an auto parts store OP, and ask if they can scan it for free. If not, I'll tell you how to check it manually.

PM me if I don't notice your update.

Might be obd2 some of them were. I looked it up.

Do you really think the guy that doesn't know obd exists in this car (or any car) is going to be able to "manually check" the pcm/ecm? Yeah no.
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mael  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:30 PM)
Though I wouldn't mind a fully-computerised car for fun, I'd tend to get the simplest one for my daily needs.

It wasn't easy to find, but my car has manual windows and a manual transmission. The only significant piece of electronics in it apart from the stereo is the air-bag circuit. ... and I nearly didn't buy it because of that - I disabled the air-bag as soon as I could.

What good are power windows when the battery's flat? Or when something goes wrong? That's a disaster. How about if you inadvertantly end up in some water and the electric windows are shorted-closed? Or the auto door locks imprison you inside? Wind-up windows for me every time.

Mine also has a carburettor rather than electronic fuel injection... More options - less parts to go wrong... and I really think fuel pumps inside the tank are barmy. Very tricky and expensive to replace, and if you usually drive with less than a quarter of a tank then the pump will probably be slowly overheating itself into an early demise because it's the fuel in the tank which cools the motor.

My way of looking at it is if I can't fix it myself then I'm taking a risk driving it. I don't like my machines to be smart. I'll do the thinking. I just need a few sensors and I'll decide what action needs to be taken by my interpretation of them.

And my little Honda cub, which is forty years old won't be getting retired and replaced anytime soon with a new Honda Cub because all the new ones are EFI, and this goes against my policy of getting stuff only if I am able to fix it myself. The injectors can probably be fixed but if the electronics get fried then the whole system is useless and very likely pricey to fix.

I want one of those ancient diesel jeeps or a LandRover with no electronics at all in the engine or transmission department. I can plug electronics into the battery side, but I don't want electronics between me and operating the car.

A mate of mine had an old LandRover with a crank start.
He traveled through Europe for years and left it in his mums back yard for the mice to nest in.
When he got back, he changed all the fluids out, put on some new tires and scared the mice and birds out.
Started on the second kick...
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RE: need help with a car
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:30 PM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:28 PM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:23 PM)
You don't have to spend anything to check codes. Sometimes the repair is a waste of time, but you want to be alerted if something important happens. So OP should spend some effort to shut the light off.

If you haven't done it yet, unplug the negative cable of the battery for a few minutes and reconnect it. (Car OFF, key OUT chuckle )That should clear the codes. If you already fixed the problem(through dumb luck) you're done.

If it comes back on, follow my earlier instructions.

Yeah, there's even an Iphone ap for checking the fault code.
Mind you, when the car's worth $1000 (maybe) I'd be grateful it's running and start saving for a new, old POS...

Tercel is a pertty great little crapbox.

I'd fix it right.

Besides, it's getting really hard to find a decent used car for a sane price.

It's a Toyota...
I'd probably just see how it went and keep an eye on the temp.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:36 PM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:19 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:16 PM)
I'm still laughing.

Your problem is a bum catalytic converter...probably...p0420 on obd2. But hey, if you don't want to bother checking the obd system feel free to keep throwing money at it.

It's not OBD2.

Toyota proprietary.

Call an auto parts store OP, and ask if they can scan it for free. If not, I'll tell you how to check it manually.

PM me if I don't notice your update.

Might be obd2 some of them were. I looked it up.

Do you really think the guy that doesn't know obd exists in this car (or any car) is going to be able to "manually check" the pcm/ecm? Yeah no.
I don't like doing it manually, but it's not hard.

Read my advice, it was good. I didn't tell him how to do it yet.

chuckle

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RE: need help with a car
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:36 PM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:19 PM)
It's not OBD2.

Toyota proprietary.

Call an auto parts store OP, and ask if they can scan it for free. If not, I'll tell you how to check it manually.

PM me if I don't notice your update.

Might be obd2 some of them were. I looked it up.

Do you really think the guy that doesn't know obd exists in this car (or any car) is going to be able to "manually check" the pcm/ecm? Yeah no.
I don't like doing it manually, but it's not hard.

Read my advice, it was good. I didn't tell him how to do it yet.

chuckle

Paperclip trick is voodoo magic...only as good as the person interpreting the flashes and the codes you're getting.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:47 PM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:36 PM)
Might be obd2 some of them were. I looked it up.

Do you really think the guy that doesn't know obd exists in this car (or any car) is going to be able to "manually check" the pcm/ecm? Yeah no.
I don't like doing it manually, but it's not hard.

Read my advice, it was good. I didn't tell him how to do it yet.

chuckle

Paperclip trick is voodoo magic...only as good as the person interpreting the flashes and the codes you're getting.

That's why I avoid doing it.

I wasn't in the military.

chuckle

(no MORSE code acumen)

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banana RE: need help with a car
fixed it thanks.....no not the catalytic converter, it was a fuse....thanks for your help to the sincere and righteous and i have nothing but a finger for the smart asses who replied
chuckle
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Olin  Wrote: (03-17-2012 03:20 PM)
Just for S&G's, check your radiator overflow canister and radiator level. Make sure it is at level. This happened to me, canister was empty, drove me crazy for a week. How about the wiper washer tank?

Have you checked the manual or on line places to see if there is something that needs checking after so many miles? Not the usual sensors and such, but the catalytic converter, or something not normally considered? Gas cap, radiator cap in good shape? Thermostat working correctly? Gas mileage OK? Have you cleaned/replaced the EGR valve, PCV valve? Is the battery healthy?

Disconnect your battery for a few minutes, the lights should reset. If it comes back on, keep digging. The steady light itself indicates something needs to be looked at, if no performance loss, not a huge worry. If the CEL flashes, then that can be serious.

thank you very much :)
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