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**Mike** lop guest User ID: 105339 08-22-2012 07:18 AM

Strategos Wrote:

My last three jobs I just looked up craigslist, dressed appropriately and went in for an interview. I was hired on the spot 3 times.

You just have to move fast and strike while the iron is hot. And be willing to work.

Everybody who I know well enough to have a grasp on how they handle trying to find work clearly isn't going very far to try and land an interview. I'd wager that the vast majority of people who say they can't find any jobs at all are people who submit a resume and expect a call to magically come in offering an interview. They simply don't understand having to sell yourself to the company and also don't understand that selling yourself doesn't just begin if and only if you get an interview.

**cabbagepatch** lop guest User ID: 116033 08-22-2012 07:18 AM

I think you have it wrong. My clients cannot find decent jobs, having lost jobs earning 6 figures, they are forced to accept part time jobs paying 20 bucks an hour and they are expected to be happy about it. I don't know anyone who can really get by on unemployment or public assistance. Employers want people to work for dirt. It is horrible.

**Strategos**

Mike Wrote:

Strategos Wrote:
My last three jobs I just looked up craigslist, dressed appropriately and went in for an interview. I was hired on the spot 3 times.

You just have to move fast and strike while the iron is hot. And be willing to work.

Everybody who I know well enough to have a grasp on how they handle trying to find work clearly isn't going very far to try and land an interview. I'd wager that the vast majority of people who say they can't find any jobs at all are people who submit a resume and expect a call to magically come in offering an interview. They simply don't understand having to sell yourself to the company and also don't understand that selling yourself doesn't just begin if and only if you get an interview.

Sometimes just showing up and asking for an interview is more appropriate. If they need someone right away, and you don't look like a criminal, chances are you will get the job just by taking the initiative to ask for an interview.

**Adveser**

As long as it isn't a callout thread for people that can't seem to hold a job. What looks like capable to you may be masking deeply hidden faults not of their own choosing. Imagine if someone had down's syndrome but functioned fairly normally around people? Sometimes people are like a little person without a ladder and the book is on the high shelf. If he manages to get half the books down, but not the ones you wanted, you wouldn't insult the guy.

**Strategos**

cabbagepatch Wrote:

I think you have it wrong. My clients cannot find decent jobs, having lost jobs earning 6 figures, they are forced to accept part time jobs paying 20 bucks an hour and they are expected to be happy about it. I don't know anyone who can really get by on unemployment or public assistance. Employers want people to work for dirt. It is horrible.

Of course I live within my means and don't have that problem. Besides, it is much funner being a working-class lout. Very little stress!

**Cammi**

Adveser Wrote:

As long as it isn't a callout thread for people that can't seem to hold a job. What looks like capable to you may be masking deeply hidden faults not of their own choosing. Imagine if someone had down's syndrome but functioned fairly normally around people? Sometimes people are like a little person without a ladder and the book is on the high shelf. If he manages to get half the books down, but not the ones you wanted, you wouldn't insult the guy.

I'm referring to the people I know IRL.

**mstra** lop guest User ID: 116034 08-22-2012 07:23 AM

I think what OP is telling us is that he has seen a lot of ads for jobs.

Actually getting a job where you would be working in decent conditions with and for worthwhile people and getting paid a good living wage, well that remains to be seen.

Or is that asking too much?

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 08-22-2012 07:24 AM

Because a shit ton of people are drug users and rather smoke weed than work for an honest living. Thanks to the system for allowing them to leech off of us that do work.

**mstra** lop guest User ID: 116034 08-22-2012 07:27 AM

It's been my experience that very few people actually want a "job". What they want is a paycheck.

**Luvapottamus**

Mike Wrote:

Strategos Wrote:
My last three jobs I just looked up craigslist, dressed appropriately and went in for an interview. I was hired on the spot 3 times.

You just have to move fast and strike while the iron is hot. And be willing to work.

Everybody who I know well enough to have a grasp on how they handle trying to find work clearly isn't going very far to try and land an interview. I'd wager that the vast majority of people who say they can't find any jobs at all are people who submit a resume and expect a call to magically come in offering an interview. They simply don't understand having to sell yourself to the company and also don't understand that selling yourself doesn't just begin if and only if you get an interview.

I've shown up in person many places, but they were just dead this summer.

I'm looping back around right now.

And I expect to land something finally.

I'm not that picky, I can get by on $15/hr, but I didn't want to get a temp job working on cars again, because it's hard to get away for an interview, and moving the tool box is a big deal.

But I'm not on assistance, and I've simply run out of gas money many times.

My water and gas are off right now.

Power and Internet are my lifeline to getting work, so now I'm filling up jugs at the gas station to water my dogs.

I'd have taken something at $12/hr but anything less is still a slide into insolvency.

Plus bosses generally treat you like shit if you accept low wages.

**Kill the Matrix**

Here's a fun fact. Now spammers are posting fake ads to get people's real email addresses instead of throwaways.

**Jackinthebox**

Cammi Wrote:

Jackinthebox Wrote:
Cammi Wrote:
And I've noticed, there are a lot of jobs available. LOTS!

So, why so much unemployment? Is it bc welfare and unemployment checks are so easy to get people decide to ride it out as long as they can until the checks stop? Kinda like a "you owe me for busting my ass, now I'm not gonna do shit" type mentality? When did this happen?

Just curious... Anyone else
On here looking for a job too?

Yeah, where are all these jobs? I have put out over 3000 resumes and apps in the past three years, and have not had a SINGLE sit down interview.

Job boards, newspapers, hiring events.

I'm not bashing, please don't take my post the wrong way. I'm going more along the lines of "what happened to the people in this day and age."

Um, I have had a job since 14. I know how to find one. There are none there for a middle-aged man.

**Jackinthebox**

Cammi Wrote:

I can understand that. I'm directing my question more towards the people who are riding the system, perfectly capable of employment however choosing not to look... Giving up in a way.

Yeah, that would be me you are talking to. After 3 years of homelessness. I gave up. So? You gonna tell me you have a better idea? That there is some job out there for me that doesn't actually exist? That I should work for a wage that won't even keep the lights turned on?

Wake up.

Quote:On this page, we will itemize a sample budget for a single person in order to analyze what a fair standard would be for a minimum-wage worker. It is our position that a person working eight hours a day, five days a week, at any job, should be able to support themselves to a minimum basic standard of living. This practical wage is necessary in order to elevate the class of working poor to contributing members of society. Working for anything less than what is needed to subsist on independently, is nothing short of slavery.

All figures are based on national averages, for a Federal standard.

RENT ------------------------------$1000
BASIC UTILITIES --------------$200
ADVANCED UTILITIES ------$150
FOOD ------------------------------$300
NON-FOOD GROCERY -----$50
CLOTHING -----------------------$75
TRANSPORTATION ----------$500
HEALTHCARE -----------------$350
MISCELLANEOUS -----------$400
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Average Basic Monthly Expenses $3,025

A full-time job at 40 hours per week is 173.2 hours per month calculating 4.33 weeks in each month. To find a reasonable minimum wage, we divide the average basic monthly expenses figure, by the number of hours worked. For the average American worker to support themselves without government assistance or by borrowing beyond their means, that worker must earn...

$17.47 per hour

Of course, that figure must be after all taxes and contributions are taken, or that anyone earning that amount must be exempt from all such garnishments and liability. A person who cannot even afford to pay their own way, cannot afford to pay taxes. Forcing them to pay taxes that will jeopardize their basic standard of living, is unsound economics and in the long run will only force other taxpayers to subsidize those workers, in turn jeopardizing their own living standard, in a perpetual cycle that we see happening today as more workers descend into deep poverty.

If $17.47 per hour seems unreasonable to you, or just downright impossible, consider a few more facts. There was a time when a grocery clerk, or a department store salesperson could actually support themselves on what they earned. That is not so today.

Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker. -Source

Based on consumption growth since 1968, the minimum wage today would have to be $25.05 to represent the same share of the country's total consumption. Based on national income growth, the minimum wage should be $22.08. Based on personal income growth, it should be $21.16. -Source

After adjusting for inflation, minimum wage workers today are paid about 26 percent less than they were in 1974.

At the top 1 percent of the American income distribution, average incomes rose 194 percent between 1974 and 2011. Had U.S. minimum wages risen at the same pace as U.S. maximum wages, the minimum wage would now be $26.96 an hour. -Source

Here is a detailed description of how we arrived at our sample budget figures:

http://mwwuamerica.blogspot.com/p/practical-wage.html

**Jackinthebox**

Strategos Wrote:

My last three jobs I just looked up craigslist, dressed appropriately and went in for an interview. I was hired on the spot 3 times.

You just have to move fast and strike while the iron is hot. And be willing to work.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 113108 08-22-2012 07:41 AM

Cammi Wrote:

And I've noticed, there are a lot of jobs available. LOTS!

So, why so much unemployment? Is it bc welfare and unemployment checks are so easy to get people decide to ride it out as long as they can until the checks stop? Kinda like a "you owe me for busting my ass, now I'm not gonna do shit" type mentality? When did this happen?

Just curious... Anyone else
On here looking for a job too?

f*ck yourself and the high horse you road in on. Rofl

"Lots of jobs". Knfnpned

What type of jobs are you filtering sweetheart? f*ck ya there are a million open positions open at McDonalds, Walmart, and home depot for a starting wage of $8/hr in which you would still need to apply for governments benefits to survive

Ya, there are jobs everywhere. That's why the commercial areas around me look like scene out of Tremors.

Jobs everywhere, but no one is hiring full time to avoid having to offer their employees health insurance.

Unemployed OP? How is your retirement plan coming along? How are those retirement plans all these employers are offering? What are you going to do, live off SS when you are ether to old to work or become disabled? Jptdknpa

There is no longer any incentive for the younger generation to work, and they know it. So, they will sit home and live vicariously through their TV. I don't blame them.

Watch it burn.