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synchromystiman Wrote:

Seems to me the Christ story is crucial to understanding this paradigm and the 'reality' that we seem to share.

To me, from a mystical perspective, I see the bible as descriptive of the spiritual world, a world which the physical 'reality', that which our senses seem to perceive, resonates in harmony with. A multidimensional 'reality' that exists beyond the range of most humans developed senses. The stories are used to convey ideas and thoughts that can only be understood with the mind. Parables and myths are used to convey the roots of our shared beginnings as well as the reality of each of our conscious development.

The bible says that the words written in stone condemn you to death. Likewise the words written on your heart bring ever lasting life. It also contains a warning that those who add to it or take away from it are going to suffer. It doesn't say that the words written in the book won't be changed because it won't be possible as they are from 'God'. Otherwise it'd say that it won't be possible for anyone to change the 'Divinely inspired' words and one can be trusting that what one reads in the words written in stone is the absolute Truth without question.

Seems to me, ultimately one has to go off of what one knows in their heart.

If we make the original assumption that 'God' is perfect and everything is created in perfect Love before we begin the journey of understanding then we approach from a direction that makes it possible to acquire understanding. If instead we approach from a point of duality and perceive the world as this and that, good and bad, and this is our approach to find understanding, then all that we seek is elusive.

When we perceive ourselves as separate from creation then we approach from the wrong direction as well.

If you're One with creation then the story of the Christ has an inner meaning that describes life and our connection to it.

If we perceive the world as a process of growth that is occurring on a large scale, each of us a fractal microcosm of the macrocosm that is composed of everyone of us, then we can further connect the understandings that are contained in the story of the Christ to gain understanding of our own lives. Perhaps, just as each of us develops in the womb of our mother, humanity has been developing in the spiritual womb of Earth/Physicality. Likewise, just as we each develop in stages, perhaps, on a macrocosmic level humanity is also developing in stages.

The ego stage of the individual coming before the fully awakened stage of the individual, over a span of time that covers several of our microcosmic lifespans of course, or 'generations'. So, as humanity develops individual consciousness within the macrocosm, first comes the egocentric consciousness. The ego centric consciousness is the underdeveloped consciousness of humanity and is the first to develop. Just as each individual develops a reptilian brain before they develop the higher brain structures, so humanity develops the ego before becoming fully aware of their true connection to Life, or Christ Consciousness within.

With this in mind, it is simply axiomatic that individual microcosms within the macrocosm of Man would, in it's youth, twist and turn spiritual understandings for their own ego centric purposes. Just as the understanding 'Government' has been twisted and turned for the benefit of narcissists and sociopaths as well.

Some say the story of the Christ goes at least as far back as Egypt, if not Sumeria. That Rome simply pulled a name out of a hat, so to speak, because if folks really started to understand the story of the Christ on a spiritual level, Within, then those who profit from the control of others would have to find a new occupation. By getting people to believe that this Christ was in the outer world of illusion, and not within, then they could keep people from looking for the Truth in the one place that is actually exists - within each of us. When we realize this, then we realize that we are not supposed to follow anyone, because the only leader we need is within.

I don't know for sure if Rome simply made up a story to keep people looking and waiting for something to happen in the outer world while ignoring the inner world within so they could maintain their control over others. Seems to me that there is considerable evidence to suggest just that. But, whether Rome's version is correct, or whether the myth has been being handed down for generations long before Rome's version, it makes little difference to the understandings that can be gained from learning to see the world from a perspective of non duality, of Oneness with Life.

How does our body grow? How is it that we add mass? When a new blood cell is formed in the marrow of our bones what is that amazing process that transforms matter to Life? When those cells become alive within us we consider them One with us, even if we don't generally think about it. Perhaps, in an amazing way, we're within a fractal reality and we're witnessing the birth of a new Man into the body of Life that is the Living God. That 'Man' is your True self, as it is mine as well, for in reality there is only one of Us, as all are One.

Your post makes good sense to me. I always do enjoy them.

**-NIGHTMARE-** · (This post was last modified: 04-27-2012 09:45 PM by -NIGHTMARE-.)

from a mystical perspective/& experience;the 'word' religion doesnot exist

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**Nolo** · **Nolo** pneumanaut User ID: 82245 04-27-2012 09:46 PM **Posts: 1,765**

Quote:why would you say
"...and would someone tell me what is so 'controlling' about loving God and loving one another? Or doing to others what you'd want done to you? Or giving up on self and serving others?"
... no one said that was controlling, can you show me where anyone has even remotely siad that was controlling ?

But that's the essence of Christ's teaching about our behavior, and hence, Christianity's teaching.

If I were to speak of a 'controlling' government, it's not to the news or biographies or law books that I'd first go to...they had to get their directions or 'marching orders' from somewhere other than thin air...men and their machinations get their impetus from a background theme or philosophy, the vision provided by the collective world-view or cosmology.
What makes a controlling totalitarian government do as it does, is its stand on what it thinks humans are. If the Machine is the thing, then men are but parts in that machine, and it's to It they serve, in their proper place and no other, behaving in a certain way and in no other.

Christianity at its root says to behave towards others as if it were to God himself...because He's going to take it that way anyway.
Whatever kind of 'control' Christianity teaches, other than self-control, is absent...even God refuses to control people like robots.

You might be able to make a case that Islam is based on a 'surrender or die, grow the gang and kill and drive the outsider out until it alone stands' type control...
A control best illustrated by how apostasy is handled. I've heard so-called Christians make many wild claims with only a mild rebuke resulting; but not many muslims get out of line with even slight deviations and live to tell about it.

So who said religion/Christianity was controlling?...or, as you put it:

Quote:even remotely siad

Quote:Yesterday 21:04
opportunists to delude and control sheep

Yesterday 21:13
The only discomfort I find in Christianity is it's viral thirst to control everything and everyone.

Yesterday 21:19
religions have been attempting to control people for centuries

Yesterday 21:44
which can be good or bad for governing

Yesterday 21:51
deluge of brainwashing

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 70164 04-27-2012 10:12 PM

I am not religious nor did I view the videos, but I have been exposed to something unusual. In the early 1990's, I knew of top govt. covert operatives who were not Christians and they were attending Christian Churches. They were stationed overseas for a good part of their careers. Some found what was in the city evil, and proceeded to correct it. One high state govt. official was "smeared professionally". I was attacked when I inquired about what was going on.

It seemed like a reaction from the end of the Cold War. The groups are professionals with access to govt. procurements. They are organized.

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**Nolo** · **Nolo** pneumanaut User ID: 82245 04-27-2012 10:27 PM **Posts: 1,765**

Quote:They are organized.

Look up Bella Dodd.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 81677 04-27-2012 10:44 PM

goldenfleeced Wrote:

synchromystiman Wrote:
Seems to me the Christ story is crucial to understanding this paradigm and the 'reality' that we seem to share.

To me, from a mystical perspective, I see the bible as descriptive of the spiritual world, a world which the physical 'reality', that which our senses seem to perceive, resonates in harmony with. A multidimensional 'reality' that exists beyond the range of most humans developed senses. The stories are used to convey ideas and thoughts that can only be understood with the mind. Parables and myths are used to convey the roots of our shared beginnings as well as the reality of each of our conscious development.

Your post makes good sense to me. I always do enjoy them.

christ as an archetype......the hero with a thousand faces. doesn't matter if he existed historically because it is part of the blueprint of the human collective consciousness.

christ consciousness is a collective awakening.....religion is just part of the shell/packaging and must ultimately be discarded in order to fully open.

i could buy that....

**sea**

I watched part 1, it's very good. Tho i disagree and agree with obstain from unwholesome sinful actions. A part of that law of the universe is preservation and that can mean you have to cause harm to others or they keep harming you, either physically, morally, or mentally. A lion has to hunt and so causes harm tho the hunted will kick the lion if it can not flee and has the chance and so harm is answerd with harm. So if some one threatens with an unwholesome sinful action then we move away but what if you can not move away then you have no other choice than to react with an unwholesome sinful action tho the reaction is forced and therefore no longer a sinful action.

That show showed a good teaching but they didn't knew how to preserve it, i think they saw the reaction or action that was needed as an unwholesome sinful action while it was not. I think that is why an old commandment stated: do not let a poisoner live. In the highjacked version they twisted it into thou shall not kill and so they made sure their poison could do it's work. You can not run away fom this kind of poison.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 70164 04-27-2012 11:46 PM

Nolo Wrote:

Quote:They are organized.

Look up Bella Dodd.

The two issues that they were obsessed about was layoffs and loss of command. A need for an external threat. You probably heard of the fear of them working at McDonalds.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

goldenfleeced Wrote:
synchromystiman Wrote:
Seems to me the Christ story is crucial to understanding this paradigm and the 'reality' that we seem to share.

To me, from a mystical perspective, I see the bible as descriptive of the spiritual world, a world which the physical 'reality', that which our senses seem to perceive, resonates in harmony with. A multidimensional 'reality' that exists beyond the range of most humans developed senses. The stories are used to convey ideas and thoughts that can only be understood with the mind. Parables and myths are used to convey the roots of our shared beginnings as well as the reality of each of our conscious development.

Your post makes good sense to me. I always do enjoy them.

christ as an archetype......the hero with a thousand faces. doesn't matter if he existed historically because it is part of the blueprint of the human collective consciousness.

christ consciousness is a collective awakening.....religion is just part of the shell/packaging and must ultimately be discarded in order to fully open.

i could buy that....

Yes... except that 'Christ' is an individual awakening... and as the 'kingdom of heaven' is born within YOU, religion becomes unnecessary, since you no longer need the tutor to bring you to where you have arrived. You are there.

And you don't have to buy it... it's absolutely FREE!!!

Heartflowers

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58515 04-28-2012 01:39 AM

Nolo Wrote:

Opinions...

Observable facts tend to slip beyond the category of opinions.

But it's when you have to go beyond 'observable', that is like cause and effect; and into areas where you only see the effect and have to deduce the cause; that's when a category of 'facts' has been labeled as 'merely' opinions.

I can say the sky is blue, and you'll treat it as fact.
But if I say that gravity is particularly strong today, you'll probably require some sort of instrumentation or chain of causality that would demonstrate such, before you'd treat it as fact...you would treat your own perceptions as subjective, until verified.

If I claim that there is a system of good and evil that permeates creation, then we are without that same sort of verification used with gravity, and yet have a demonstrable chain of causality that explains such a system.

Which has been called an opinion...but can still be fact; and calling something an opinion does not disprove its factuality.

An unsupported or isolated premise can easily be called an opinion...but when an entire interlocking cosmology is presented, a complete worldview; I think the word 'opinion' just isn't big or encompassing enough to describe it.

You demonstrate AGAIN that as bad as Christians are... they still are the most TOLERANT OF FAITH BASED BELIEF SYSTEMS.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58515 04-28-2012 01:40 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Taoism was a corruption of Buddism the same way Christianity was a corruption of the Pagan religions.

OR.... visa versa.
Most of the major pagan religions hail from Babylon.... even the Native American religions have evidence of Babylonian sun worship.

Nimrod founded Babylon and his daddy Cush was the originator of the basic ideas of the Babylonian religion that is, dropping worship of the ONE TRUE GOD.

Modern day Judaism was majorly corrupted by the Bablyonian Grove Religion and is not the Judaism of Abraham and Moses... but Modern Day Judaism IS the Judaic religion of the Pharisees of Jesus day.
Christianity is the consumation of the fulfillment of Judaic prophesy.
The Triune God was copied by the Babylonians as the Trinity.... Osiris, Semiramis, and Tammuz.

I believe that the PAGANS STILL SACRIFICE CHILDREN AND ADULTS as they did in the days of Babylon, the days of Ammonites, the Phillistines, the Cybele cult.....

Many even believe that Hitler was a pagan and Stalin a Satanist/Jesuit and ENJOYED THE deaths they perpetrated.

**synchromystiman**

goldenfleeced Wrote:

synchromystiman Wrote:

Your post makes good sense to me. I always do enjoy them.

So you're the one that reads what I post. lol

Thanks!

I certainly enjoy your posts as well. Fascinating time to be here . .

Heartflowers