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Warning for Welsh people organ donation!
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12-28-2015 02:18 PM

 



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Warning for Welsh people organ donation!
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If you live in Wales and you have not registered a decision on organ donation, from 1st December 2015 you will be treated as having no objection to being an organ donor. This is called deemed consent.

Go to this website to opt out of the scheme

http://organdonationwales.org/Join-the-O.../?lang=en.
Please read this report, it is horrific I got this from another site.


Prior to 1968 a person was declared dead only after their breathing and heart stopped for a determinate period of time.

The current terminology "Brain Death" was unheard of.
When surgeons realized they had the capability of taking organs from one seemingly “close to death” person and implanting them into another person to keep the recipient alive longer, a "Pandora’s Box" was opened.

In the beginning, through trial and error, they discovered it was not possible to perform this "miraculous" ‪#‎surgery‬ with organs taken from someone truly dead, even if the donor was without circulation for merely a few minutes, because organ damage occurs within a very brief time after circulation stops.

To justify their experimental procedures it was necessary for them to come up with a solution which is how the term "‪Brain Death‬" was contrived.

Much is being done to get your organs.
For an organ to be suitable for ‪#‎transplantation‬ it must be healthy and it must come from a living person.
Once DBD (Donation After Brain Death) or DCD (Donation After Cardiac Death) has been verified and permission extracted from distraught family members (in cases where relatives cannot be located the ‪#‎government‬ often now makes the determination on our behalf) the "organ donor" undergoes hours, sometimes days, of torturous treatment utilized to protect and preserve the body-container of "spare parts!"

The "organ donor" is forced to endure the excruciating painful and ongoing chemical treatment in preparation for organ excising.

Literally the "donor" is now an organ warehouse and used for the sole purpose of organ preservation until a compatible recipient can be located.


The truth of the horrific treatment and DEATH OF THE "DONOR"
Organ removal is performed while the patient is given only a paralysing agent but no aesthetic!

Multi-organ excision, on the average, takes three to four hours of operating during which time the heart is beating, the blood pressure is normal and respiration is occurring albeit the patient is on a ventilator. Each organ is cut out until finally the beating heart is stopped, a moment before removal.

It is well documented the heart rate and blood pressure go up when the incision is made. This is the very response the anaesthesiologist often observes in everyday surgery when the aesthetic is insufficient. But, as stated below, organ donors are not anaesthetized.

There are growing numbers of protesters among ‪#‎nurses‬ and ‪#‎anaesthesiologists‬, who react strongly to the movements of the supposed "corpse." These movements are sometimes so violent it makes it impossible to continue the taking of organs. Resulting from their personal experiences and attestations, many in the medical profession have removed themselves from this program altogether.

New York hospitals are routinely 'harvesting' organs from patients before they're even dead, an explosive ‪#‎lawsuit‬ is claiming.

The suit accuses transplant non-profit The New York Organ Donor Network of bullying doctors into declaring patients brain dead when they are still alive.

Plaintiff, Patrick McMahon, 50, reckons one in five ‪#‎patients‬ are showing signs of brain activity when surgeons declare them dead and start hacking out their body parts.

'They're playing God,' said McMahon, a former transplant coordinator who claims he was fired just four months into the role for speaking out about the practice.
He said that the donor network makes 'millions and millions' from selling the organs they obtain to hospitals and to insurance companies for transplants.
'Hearts, lungs, kidneys, joints, bones, skin grafts, intestines, valves, eyes -- it's all big money.'

The Air Force Combat veteran and former nurse added that financially strained hospitals are easily influenced to declare a patient brain dead because they're keen to free up bed space.

Network officials including director Michael Goldstein allegedly bullied Nassau University Medical Center staff into declaring the teen dead, stating during a conference call: 'This kid is dead, you got that?'
But McMahon said he believed the 19-year-old could have recovered.

It claims McMahon protested but was blown off by hospital and donor network staff, and the man was declared brain dead and his organs harvested.

In November 2011, a woman admitted to Staten Island University Hospital after a drug overdose was declared brain dead and her organs were about to be harvested when McMahon noticed that she was being given 'a paralyzing anesthetic' because her body was still jerking.
'She was having brain function when they were cutting into her on the table,' McMahon told MailOnline.
'He had given her a paralyser and there's no reason to give someone who is dead a paralyser.'
He said he confronted the person who gave it to her and he was speechless.
'Finally he said he was told to do it because while they were cutting her chest open she was moving her chest around.
And a paralyzer only paralyses you, it does nothing for the pain,' he said.

Estimated U.S. Average Billed Charges Per Transplant: Heart $1,000,000 Double Lung: $800,000 Liver: $580,000 Kidney: $275,000

More than 123,000 people are on waiting lists for organ transplants in the United States, 100,000 of whom are waiting for new kidneys. Yet the need for healthy organs far out paces donations. Only 28,000 transplants were completed in the last year, according to the 2014 national data from the U.S. Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network.

Because organ donors are often alive when their organs are harvested, the ‪#‎medical‬ community should not require donors to be declared dead, but instead adopt more “honest” moral criteria that allow the harvesting of organs from “dying” or “severely injured” patients, with proper consent, three leading experts have argued.

This approach, they say, would avoid the “pseudo-objective” claim that a donor is “really dead,” which is often based upon purely ideological definitions of death designed to expand the organ donor pool, and would allow organ harvesters to be more honest with the public, as well as ensure that donors don’t feel pain during the harvesting process.

The chilling comments were offered by ‪#‎Doctor‬ Neil Lazar, director of the medical-surgical intensive care unit at Toronto General Hospital, Dr. Maxwell J. Smith of the University of Toronto, and David Rodriguez-Arias of University del Pais Vasco in Spain, at a U.S. bioethics conference in October and published in a recent paper in the American Journal of Bioethics.
“Because there is a general assumption that dead individuals cannot be harmed, veneration of the dead-donor rule is dangerously misleading,” they write.
“Ultimately, what is important for the protection and respect of potential donors is not to have a death certificate signed, but rather to be certain they are beyond suffering and to guarantee that their autonomy is respected.”

Instead of the so-called Dead Donor Rule (DDR), the authors propose that donors should be “protected from harm” (i.e given anaesthesia so that they cannot feel pain during the donation process), that informed consent should be obtained, and that society should be “fully informed of the inherently debatable nature of any criterion to declare death.”

The doctors note that developing the criteria for so-called “brain death,” which is often used by doctors to declare death before organ donation, was an “ideological strategy” aimed at increasing the donor pool that has been found to be “empirically and theoretically flawed.” They also criticize the latest attempts to create new, even looser definitions of death, such as circulatory death, which they argue amount to simply “pretending” that the patient is dead in order to get his organs.

Based on an interview in 2013 with Dr. Paul Byrne, 80-year-old neon atologist blowing the whistle on the dark side of hospitals, it became clear that the concept of "brain death" is a complete fabrication conjured up for the sole purpose of legitimizing the murder of living people in order to harvest their organs.
These people (who often end up in hospitals as a result of car accidents or drug overdoses or the like) are given paralysis drugs during organ removal -- BUT NO ANAESTHESIA!!!

Medical staff are literally cleaving open the chests of these innocent people and tearing out their organs, one by one, leaving the heart for last, after which point they are, of course, dead.

It's wakey wakey time people.This is no joke.

If you do not want to be tortured to death by medical sadists, SAY NO TO ORGAN DONATION! Evil is still evil by any other name.

More News on: [link to http://www.theillusionofscience.org]

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12-28-2015 02:24 PM

 



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RE: Warning for Welsh people organ donation!
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12-28-2015 02:28 PM

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doomed

Fiends.

~reaching across spirals~
~It's risky, said reason. It's pointless, said ego. Give it a try, said the heart.~
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Ahanata  Wrote: (12-28-2015 02:28 PM)
doomed

Fiends.

Exposed fiends now. I hope something will be done about it.

If society fell apart, we - the people would build a new one. Most people are good at their core, and when we see things that are wrong we work to fix them together. Make friends with your neighbors, get involved with your community - because we will rebuild our lives, our communities, from horrible circumstances we always will.
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things like that can't be reconciled between the living
this is why the World is spiraling down and out of control
they earn themselves a death sentence by their deeds
then insist on walking away as if still numbered among the living

not much sense trying to rationalize the unspeakable
it is akin to accepting Satan, who is to be rejected at all costs
not by delving into and trying to fathom reason where none exists

they are not Healers
they are Butchers of Humanity

healing has nothing to do with that
and the only pain is from initial and ongoing injury combined with additional self-inflicted wounds from struggling during the healing process
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12-28-2015 04:27 PM

 



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RE: Warning for Welsh people organ donation!
Not quite off topic...

psychiatry is a scam and there are no tests for mental conditions other than words in a psychiatry manual;

years ago news articles reported that most cancer research everywhere was faked;

latest news shows cancer treatments cause cancer;

pharmaceuticals only treat symptoms and most doctors don't know a thing about how the body works;

anything medically good for you is banned.

So the entire medical industry is a fraud!
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12-28-2015 05:01 PM

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12-28-2015 05:05 PM

 



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we've got an old piano we can donate?

though its not welsh (Scottish, I think?)!
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So why do they transport organs on ice?

conspiracy theorising is a philosophical and investigative mind-set that searches for truths.

The problem in searching for the truth is the amount of lies you must endure for that one truth
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I have long thought that organ transplants should be banned.
Many are told that they need a transplant when in fact they could heal.
If people took better care of themselves they wouldn't get into such condition.
Part of the problem is the garbage on grocery store shelves that is sold for food.
I don't trust doctors and I hope it is never necessary for me to go to a hospital.

And yes, psychiatry is a scam too. There are newer methods of helping people out of the mental miseries. NLP by a good trainer is one of them. There are a lot of wannabes out there - too many. These days anyone can be a "counselor"

Do not drink too deeply of the fount of knowledge lest you learn something you do not wish to know.

It is very easy to deceive a man and very difficult to undeceive him.

I never cease to be amazed at the ability of some people to override reason and negate logic.
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I'll donate my organ to Catherine zeta Jones she play with it till it falls to bits with overuse if she wants.
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12-28-2015 05:11 PM

 



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Transmutation2  Wrote: (12-28-2015 05:06 PM)
So why do they transport organs on ice?

so that you can play them while you are skating. silly!
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12-28-2015 05:14 PM

 



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how about stem cell injections rather than transplant. noory arranged for kid to get injections to repair his heart?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-28-2015 05:09 PM)
I'll donate my organ to Catherine zeta Jones she play with it till it falls to bits with overuse if she wants.

Is it Kosher. chuckle
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Mitheriel  Wrote: (12-28-2015 03:04 PM)
things like that can't be reconciled between the living
this is why the World is spiraling down and out of control
they earn themselves a death sentence by their deeds
then insist on walking away as if still numbered among the living

not much sense trying to rationalize the unspeakable
it is akin to accepting Satan, who is to be rejected at all costs
not by delving into and trying to fathom reason where none exists

they are not Healers
they are Butchers of Humanity

healing has nothing to do with that
and the only pain is from initial and ongoing injury combined with additional self-inflicted wounds from struggling during the healing process

Agree, the body heals itself (organs certain of them self regenerate) not doctors. psychiatry makes problem worse. just remove own mental blocks (wrong facts).
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