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Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest
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09-25-2018 02:48 AM

 




Post: #31
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
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It will hurt the right wing because their heads will explode. Hear that faint booming sound? That's just from them thinking about it.
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09-25-2018 02:50 AM

 




Post: #32
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:47 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:42 AM)
raise it, it just means in my mind as a business owner that you have more money in your pocket so I will raise the price for my goods I sell and get more money. I don't care. I will then just cut their hours as well and higher illegals to do the work under the table!

Liquidate small business owners now.

So you want gigantic ones instead?
Luvapottamus
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09-25-2018 02:51 AM

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Post: #33
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:40 AM)
CyberDan  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:11 AM)
Instead of raising the minimum wage, they should LOWER the PRICES on EVERYTHING! Cut everything 20% off! Then people could actually afford to buy something.

That has been tried countless times throughout history. The problem is that prices are a very important indicator for producers. If the price of some good or service drops, it means that demand for that price has dropped so less companies will invest time and material for the product or service.

Conversely if the price of a good or service is too high, that is a signal to the economy that more of that good or service is demanded by the economy so companies will invest more to produce the product or service.

This is a balance that is maintained by the market. In most command and control economies that have set price or wage controls you either end up with an unwanted surplus of goods or services or a deficit. The longer the price controls are enforced, the larger the imbalance builds until begins to irreparably damage the economy, sending it into either a deflationary or hyper-inflationary collapse.

Note that wages are a price, so minimum wage laws from the inception produce unwanted and damaging effects to an economy.

Wages are an exception.

What you aren't accounting for is work readiness.

It's a phrase I coined to compare low wages to military preparedness or military readiness.

Congress always appropriates money for military readiness. They have to.

Your troops must be uniformed, bivouacked, trained, fed, in shape, armed, and have transportation at the ready to deploy whenever needed.

Low wage cretins aren't doing this for their employees.

Corporate america has created a poor state of work readiness with low wage policies for the vast majority of the workforce that does all the ACTUAL WORK.

chuckle

Walmart hires people, put them on food stamps, and when they can't make it to work because they need a car repair they can't afford, they simple replace it with more teeming hoards of unready people.

I posit there is NO POINT in STARTING a business unless your business plan includes GOOD WAGES.

What's the point doing it otherwise?

Work should create PROSPERITY not poverty.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Reinstate Greenbacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
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09-25-2018 02:52 AM

 




Post: #34
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
You want to hear something funny kiddos and I am not the only one doing it.

A lot of us business owners have our illegal immigrants names as the owners of the parent company! The IRS never knows!

Thanks for all those idiot illegals!

Jptdknpa
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09-25-2018 02:57 AM

 




Post: #35
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:50 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:47 AM)
Liquidate small business owners now.

So you want gigantic ones instead?
Serious post:

I'd have every piece of capital, every acre of land, every last tool be under the control of worker co-ops and voluntary organizations. I'd liquidate both the small and large businessman by making their jobs obsolete.
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Post: #36
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
If wages are raised to $20 and hour, prices of necessities will be increased even more. That's the plan of the greedy.

Quote:7. To complete the ruin of the industry of the GOYIM we shall bring to the assistance of speculation the luxury which we have developed among the GOYIM, that greedy demand for luxury which is swallowing up everything. WE SHALL RAISE THE RATE OF WAGES WHICH, HOWEVER, WILL NOT BRING ANY ADVANTAGE TO THE WORKERS, FOR, AT THE SAME TIME, WE SHALL PRODUCE A RISE IN PRICES OF THE FIRST NECESSARIES OF LIFE, ALLEGING THAT IT ARISES FROM THE DECLINE OF AGRICULTURE AND CATTLE-BREEDING: WE SHALL FURTHER UNDERMINE ARTFULLY AND DEEPLY SOURCES OF PRODUCTION, BY ACCUSTOMING THE WORKERS TO ANARCHY AND TO DRUNKENNESS AND SIDE BY SIDE THEREWITH TAKING ALL MEASURE TO EXTIRPATE FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH ALL THE EDUCATED FORCES OF THE "GOYIM."

https://biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.ht...%20No.%207

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Post: #37
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:51 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:40 AM)
That has been tried countless times throughout history. The problem is that prices are a very important indicator for producers. If the price of some good or service drops, it means that demand for that price has dropped so less companies will invest time and material for the product or service.

Conversely if the price of a good or service is too high, that is a signal to the economy that more of that good or service is demanded by the economy so companies will invest more to produce the product or service.

This is a balance that is maintained by the market. In most command and control economies that have set price or wage controls you either end up with an unwanted surplus of goods or services or a deficit. The longer the price controls are enforced, the larger the imbalance builds until begins to irreparably damage the economy, sending it into either a deflationary or hyper-inflationary collapse.

Note that wages are a price, so minimum wage laws from the inception produce unwanted and damaging effects to an economy.

Wages are an exception.

What you aren't accounting for is work readiness.

It's a phrase I coined to compare low wages to military preparedness or military readiness.

Congress always appropriates money for military readiness. They have to.

Your troops must be uniformed, bivouacked, trained, fed, in shape, armed, and have transportation at the ready to deploy whenever needed.

Low wage cretins aren't doing this for their employees.

Corporate america has created a poor state of work readiness with low wage policies for the vast majority of the workforce that does all the ACTUAL WORK.

chuckle

Walmart hires people, put them on food stamps, and when they can't make it to work because they need a car repair they can't afford, they simple replace it with more teeming hoards of unready people.

I posit there is NO POINT in STARTING a business unless your business plan includes GOOD WAGES.

What's the point doing it otherwise?

Work should create PROSPERITY not poverty.

The reason there are only mostly minimum wage paying jobs is because our money is created from debt, the debt has an interest rate.

The interest rate is a price, the price of money. When the interest rate is artificially manipulated to shove more debt into the economy, then everything gets out of whack, just as if you set price controls on goods or services.

One of the first things you learn in economics is the price vs demand curves, those are nearly indisputable between any economic school of thought.

Wages are a price, interest rates are a price, in our modern economies they are manipulated by both governments and banks.

The reason everything sucks is because we have so much interference by banks that manipulate the price of money, and governments that manipulate the price of labor.
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09-25-2018 03:00 AM

 




Post: #38
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:57 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:50 AM)
So you want gigantic ones instead?
Serious post:

I'd have every piece of capital, every acre of land, every last tool be under the control of worker co-ops and voluntary organizations. I'd liquidate both the small and large businessman by making their jobs obsolete.

good luck on that!
Luvapottamus
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09-25-2018 03:05 AM

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Post: #39
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:57 AM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:51 AM)
Wages are an exception.

What you aren't accounting for is work readiness.

It's a phrase I coined to compare low wages to military preparedness or military readiness.

Congress always appropriates money for military readiness. They have to.

Your troops must be uniformed, bivouacked, trained, fed, in shape, armed, and have transportation at the ready to deploy whenever needed.

Low wage cretins aren't doing this for their employees.

Corporate america has created a poor state of work readiness with low wage policies for the vast majority of the workforce that does all the ACTUAL WORK.

chuckle

Walmart hires people, put them on food stamps, and when they can't make it to work because they need a car repair they can't afford, they simple replace it with more teeming hoards of unready people.

I posit there is NO POINT in STARTING a business unless your business plan includes GOOD WAGES.

What's the point doing it otherwise?

Work should create PROSPERITY not poverty.

The reason there are only mostly minimum wage paying jobs is because our money is created from debt, the debt has an interest rate.

The interest rate is a price, the price of money. When the interest rate is artificially manipulated to shove more debt into the economy, then everything gets out of whack, just as if you set price controls on goods or services.

One of the first things you learn in economics is the price vs demand curves, those are nearly indisputable between any economic school of thought.

Wages are a price, interest rates are a price, in our modern economies they are manipulated by both governments and banks.

The reason everything sucks is because we have so much interference by banks that manipulate the price of money, and governments that manipulate the price of labor.

The main reason everything sucks is public policy.

Outsourcing and offshoring generated immence profits for corporations, but it left the work force in the lurch.

If you want true prosperity we need to switch from the Service and Information economies back to MANUFACTURED TRADE GOODS.

What happened with outsourcing and offshoring is the manufacturing jobs were lost, and now the descendants of the industrial revolution are forcen into low wage plantations, where they must purchase cheap disposable non-functional goods from overseas from Walmart.

Because of automation manufacturing isn't going to provide the good jobs in the future, but an odd thing happened after the industrial revolution.

Robber Barrons creates an super-class that created foundations.

They trumped the pharoahs in this way.

I would love to conduct a research project to discover how many Americans now work for DEAD PEOPLE?

chuckle

Just watch PBS to see what I mean. This program made possible by the ______foundation.

That means EVERYBODY who makes frontline and NOVA work for DEAD PEOPLE.

And everybody who works at the corporations that provide the dividends to the foundations that fund these programs WORK FOR DEAD PEOPLE.

Rofl

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Reinstate Greenbacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
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LoP Guest
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09-25-2018 03:10 AM

 




Post: #40
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:14 AM)
CyberDan  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:11 AM)
Instead of raising the minimum wage, they should LOWER the PRICES on EVERYTHING! Cut everything 20% off! Then people could actually afford to buy something.

Bump Sorry did not see your comment.

Agreed !

Agree to what? Prices are.going up atleast 50 % . Maybe 100% soon. And its not because of demand lack. Get rid of them...
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09-25-2018 03:12 AM

 




Post: #41
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:18 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:15 AM)
no it doesn't, moran, it just means you'll have to pay your employees fairly, and there are laws against such practices of raising the rents, you must be one of Trump's fathers followeres who ran people out of fair housing

and it will mean workers will be able to afford housing and live teh american dream which has not materalized

Dude, your ideas about the economy are terrible. You can't fix things without addressing the elephant in the room right now, which is why the hell does global policy enrich and protect about 100,000 extremely rich people at the expense of the future of humanity?

You frigging Moran that’s my point
LoP Guest
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09-25-2018 03:14 AM

 




Post: #42
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:48 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:05 AM)
It will hurt the wealthys the most :)

Bull sh*t!

It'll hurt the average worker the most when half the jobs disappear and those few that remain and suddenly make $20 an hour can't afford to live because prices went up so much.


Prices are going down for a while now wages have remained flat

Do you see that is not good

It means people make less and can afford less
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09-25-2018 03:14 AM

 




Post: #43
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 03:12 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-25-2018 02:18 AM)
Dude, your ideas about the economy are terrible. You can't fix things without addressing the elephant in the room right now, which is why the hell does global policy enrich and protect about 100,000 extremely rich people at the expense of the future of humanity?

You frigging Moran that’s my point

Most Democrats in elected positions are millionaires, good luck on your pipe dreams
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09-25-2018 03:19 AM

 




Post: #44
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
So let’s reiterate

Productivity has soared

Prices have crashed

Wages have remained flat

Time to raise price of labor for the rich
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09-25-2018 03:20 AM

 




Post: #45
RE: Yes, it is going to hurt when we raise the min wage to $20 hour
Letting a private corporation print a nation's money supply with zero regulation or oversight. What could go wrong?
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