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BREAKING: White House preparing for WAR with IRAN
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The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile

Many years ago, Soviet planners gave up trying to match the US Navy ship for ship, gun for gun, and dollar for dollar. The Soviets simply could not compete with the high levels of US spending required to build up and maintain a huge naval armada. They shrewdly adopted an alternative approach based on strategic defense. They searched for weaknesses, and sought relatively inexpensive ways to exploit those weaknesses.

The Soviets succeeded: by developing several supersonic anti-ship missiles, one of which, the SS-N-22 Sunburn, has been called "the most lethal missile in the world today." After the collapse of the Soviet Union the old military establishment fell upon hard times. But in the late1990s Moscow awakened to the under-utilized potential of its missile technology to generate desperately needed foreign exchange. A decision was made to resuscitate selected programs, and, very soon, Russian missile technology became a hot export commodity.
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Today, Russian missiles are a growth industry generating much-needed cash for Russia, with many billions in combined sales to India, China, Viet Nam, Cuba, and also Iran. In the near future this dissemination of advanced technology is likely to present serious challenges to the US. Some have even warned that the US Navy's largest ships, the massive carriers, have now become floating death traps, and should for this reason be mothballed.

The Sunburn missile has never seen use in combat, to my knowledge, which probably explains why its fearsome capabilities are not more widely recognized. Other cruise missiles have been used, of course, on several occasions, and with devastating results. During the Falklands War, French-made Exocet missiles, fired from Argentine fighters, sunk the HMS Sheffield and another ship. And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half by a pair of Exocets while on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that occasion US Aegis radar picked up the incoming Iraqi fighter (a French-made Mirage), and tracked its approach to within 50 miles.

The radar also "saw" the Iraqi plane turn about and return to its base. But radar never detected the pilot launch his weapons. The sea-skimming Exocets came smoking in under radar and were only sighted by human eyes moments before they ripped into the Stark, crippling the ship and killing 37 US sailors. The 1987 surprise attack on the Stark exemplifies the dangers posed by anti-ship cruise missiles. And the dangers are much more serious in the case of the Sunburn, whose specs leave the sub-sonic Exocet in the dust. Not only is the Sunburn much larger and faster, it has far greater range and a superior guidance system.

Those who have witnessed its performance trials invariably come away stunned. According to one report, when the Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani visited Moscow in October 2001 he requested a test firing of the Sunburn, which the Russians were only too happy to arrange. So impressed was Ali Shamkhani that he placed an order for an undisclosed number of the missiles. The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet.

The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes "violent end maneuvers" to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder "just in time." The US Navy has never faced anything in combat as formidable as the Sunburn missile. But this will surely change if the US and Israel decide to wage a so-called preventive war against Iran to destroy its nuclear infrastructure. Storm clouds have been darkening over the Gulf for many months. In recent years Israel upgraded its air force with a new fleet of long-range F-15 fighter-bombers, and even more recently took delivery of 5,000 bunker-buster bombs from the US weapons that many observers think are intended for use against Iran.
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RE: BREAKING: White House preparing for WAR with IRAN
Lleo Oneiro  Wrote: (05-15-2019 04:39 AM)
Israel gets Golan Heights. Israel attacks Syria via Golan Heights. Iran attacks Israel in Syria. USA preps for war against Iran.

Not too hard to figure out

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violating international law




While Syria is torn apart by the warring of U.S. imperialists and Islamic fundamentalists – leaving its children to die of starvation – another country plans to take advantage of the chaos by stealing resources from Syria’s southern region.

https://www.nationofchange.org/2017/01/1...ional-law/

here's your deepstate..





The Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Oil & Gas
Michael Steinhardt
Dick Cheney
Marry Landrieu
Rupert Murdoch
Bill Richardson
Jacob Rothschild
Dr. Lawrence Summers
R. James Woolsey

https://genieoilgas.com/about-us/strateg...ory-board/



Muddy waters over Oleg Deripaska, Nat Rothschild and George Osborne


Clearly, when it comes to business and politics, there can be only one winner for Nat Rothschild. The son of Lord Rothschild, who ususally shuns publicity, wrote to a newspaper yesterday to claim that George Osborne's visit to the yacht owned by Oleg Deripaska, the Russian billionaire – which was disclosed by Mandrake earlier this month – was to "solicit a donation" for the Conservatives. This has been strongly denied.

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The Corfu controversy
In April 1999, as hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians fled the Kosovo conflict several hundred miles to the north, a speedboat carried Peter Mandelson and his friend Lord Rothschild from the banking millionaire's villa in Corfu on a four-mile journey across the water to Albania. They were part of an expedition to Butrint, an ancient site where archaeologists have peeled away the layers of past civilisations: Persian, Greek, Etruscan, Roman and Byzantine.

The ruins, which have Unesco world heritage status, were adopted by Lord Rothschild and his friend the Tory peer Lord Sainsbury of Candover six years earlier, shortly after the collapse of Communism, and were being shown off to the close friend of Tony Blair.

Scroll forward nine years to this August, and Mr Mandelson was once again a guest of the Rothschild family in Corfu. He joined a group whose number included some of the most powerful people in the world for what were to be the dying days of another great civilisation: unbridled free-market capitalism.

As this elite and wealthy group partied on their multimillion-pound yachts, the near-collapse of the Western world's banking system just weeks away, the seeds of the bitter donations row between the new Lord Mandelson, shadow Chancellor George Osborne and hedge fund millionaire Nathaniel Rothschild were sown.

Mr Rothschild, a friend of Mr Osborne since their days as fellow members of Oxford's elitist Bullingdon Club, wrote an explosive letter to 'The Times' last Tuesday accusing David Cameron's right-hand man of soliciting a £50,000 donation from Russia's richest man, Oleg Deripaska, during the Corfu holiday. Mr Osborne strenuously denies the allegation. The affair stole the limelight from headlines over allegations of a conflict of interest involving the former EU trade commissioner and his stay this summer on the yacht of Mr Deripaska, who benefited from the lifting of EU trade tariffs on aluminium in 2005.

But the circumstances in which the characters were brought together have significance far beyond a spat between Lord Mandelson, Mr Osborne and Mr Rothschild. They drew attention to the power games of a globe-spanning elite of men and women. They shed light on how decisions that can change the world are made on the yachts of the Mediterranean and Caribbean, the ski slopes of Switzerland, in the fashionable restaurants of New York, London and Moscow and the casinos of Montenegro.

It is not surprising that the first time Mr Osborne met Mr Deripaska was in January at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. The annual forum brings together thousands of politicians, businessmen and associates for a week of networking, skiing and partying. Mr Osborne was introduced to Mr Deripaska, who was standing in a group with Mr Mandelson. The then EU Trade Commissioner, who admitted yesterday he first met the Russian billionaire four years ago, must have enjoyed being the power broker in the group as the shadow Chancellor discussed the global economy with one of the world's richest men.

Although he has a chalet in nearby Klosters, like his friend Mr Rothschild, Mr Deripaska bought an expensive property, House Rutiegg, overlooking the mountains in Davos to entertain the rich and famous. He threw a huge party at the wood-panelled chalet, entertaining businessmen including Peter Munk, chairman of Barrick Gold, the world's largest gold producer. Canadian Mr Munk, Mr Rothschild and Mr Deripaska are planning to redevelop an old Yugoslavian naval base in Montenegro into a billionaire's playground. Lakshmi Mittal, one of the world's richest men, who has donated more than £4m to the Labour Party, held a rival party on the same night.

The most exclusive party in Davos was the gathering held by Bill Gates and Bono, attended by Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron. Mr Cameron has never met Mr Deripaska; Mr Blair has met the Russian oligarch on one occasion. His office refused to say when this was. But Mr Deripaska is one of the major funders of the Climate Group, a not-for-profit business organisation and pet project of Mr Blair's launched at the G8 in Hokkaido, Japan

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Sir John Major told the Leveson Inquiry that Rupert Murdoch had told him he would lose support from News International titles unless he changed his policies on Europe.

This article from pretty much exactly 1 year ago:

Israel Preps for Syrian War with Golan’s Oil and Water in its Sights

While news of Saturday’s dangerous escalation involving Syria’s downing of an Israeli fighter jet is fizzling out, Israeli plan’s for a broader war to secure water and oil reserves in the resource-rich Golan Heights are just getting underway.


https://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-pre...ts/237566/
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Today, Russian missiles are a growth industry generating much-needed cash for Russia, with many billions in combined sales to India, China, Viet Nam, Cuba, and also Iran. In the near future this dissemination of advanced technology is likely to present serious challenges to the US. Some have even warned that the US Navy's largest ships, the massive carriers, have now become floating death traps, and should for this reason be mothballed.

The Sunburn missile has never seen use in combat, to my knowledge, which probably explains why its fearsome capabilities are not more widely recognized. Other cruise missiles have been used, of course, on several occasions, and with devastating results. During the Falklands War, French-made Exocet missiles, fired from Argentine fighters, sunk the HMS Sheffield and another ship. And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half by a pair of Exocets while on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that occasion US Aegis radar picked up the incoming Iraqi fighter (a French-made Mirage), and tracked its approach to within 50 miles.

The radar also "saw" the Iraqi plane turn about and return to its base. But radar never detected the pilot launch his weapons. The sea-skimming Exocets came smoking in under radar and were only sighted by human eyes moments before they ripped into the Stark, crippling the ship and killing 37 US sailors. The 1987 surprise attack on the Stark exemplifies the dangers posed by anti-ship cruise missiles. And the dangers are much more serious in the case of the Sunburn, whose specs leave the sub-sonic Exocet in the dust. Not only is the Sunburn much larger and faster, it has far greater range and a superior guidance system.

Those who have witnessed its performance trials invariably come away stunned. According to one report, when the Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani visited Moscow in October 2001 he requested a test firing of the Sunburn, which the Russians were only too happy to arrange. So impressed was Ali Shamkhani that he placed an order for an undisclosed number of the missiles. The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet.

The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes "violent end maneuvers" to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder "just in time." The US Navy has never faced anything in combat as formidable as the Sunburn missile. But this will surely change if the US and Israel decide to wage a so-called preventive war against Iran to destroy its nuclear infrastructure. Storm clouds have been darkening over the Gulf for many months. In recent years Israel upgraded its air force with a new fleet of long-range F-15 fighter-bombers, and even more recently took delivery of 5,000 bunker-buster bombs from the US weapons that many observers think are intended for use against Iran.

Who do you think will fire the first shot?
I do think it will be the US, but I hope it is not.
What say you?
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Who do you think will fire the first shot?
I do think it will be the US, but I hope it is not.
What say you?

Well seeing just one of these can melt the entire top deck of an aircraft carrier , I would say the US will be vying for the position in the geopolitical triangulation game with Russia as the 'victim' in the drama triangle.



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[Image: Karpman_drama_triangle-2.jpg]
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The illustrated triangles above, perhaps the best known in psychology (with emotions well identified) may furnish a better idea of how the game is played. They clearly show how each party uses negative emotions to create a situation with no resolution, a catch-22, switching roles and a thankless, pointless nonsensical cycle. The last one shows how to get out of the Karpman’s triangle to recover one’s mental health.
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https://cornerstone.ac.za/article-of-the...opolitics/


Russia, Reflexive Control, and the Subtle Art of Red Teaming
To understand the Russian approach to strategy and conflict, we must first understand something about the concept of reflexive control. Initially developed and championed by Vladimir Lefebvre, it’s a uniquely Russian view on stratagem and deception that repackages and reframes much of what we usually associate with Sun Tzu. If we expect deception and stratagem from China but not from Russia, we’ve set yourself up to be surprised. We’d be foolish to assume that the Russians are not currently employing reflexive control against the West.
By definition, reflexive control is “a means of conveying to a partner or an opponent specially prepared information to incline him to voluntarily make the predetermined decision desired by the initiator of the action.”
  1. In other words, when employing the theory of reflexive control, you paint a picture of the world, that, if successful, your opponent accepts. This false picture compels your opponent to act in your favor. A close term in the U.S. lexicon is “perception management,”
  2. although the tone of reflexive control is arguably broader and more Machiavellian.
    Examples of the types of reflexive interactions include “transfer of an image of the situation,” “creation of a goal for the opponent,” “transfer of a decision,” “formation of goal by transferring an image of the situation,” and “transfer of an image of one’s own perception of the situation.”
  3. These types (and others) suggest that when employing reflexive control, an opponent manipulates not just our perceptions but also our decision algorithms.
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https://redteamjournal.com/2016/10/reflexive-control/
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So, Australia will fire the first shot, blame it on Iran, US will retaliate, wipe them out, price of gas will go up and then world peace will be restored?
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Is it me or does Trump want to be "Daddy Warbucks"? I feel he is starting a war to motivate the economy. Is this where we are at, people?

I understand Trump and what he wants and thinks is best for the country, our country, the USA. I'm a patriot.

But, is this the best way to go about it? I don't know all the answers. War seems scary to me. :(
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Nothing is going to happen.

Bet on it.

USA wants to have normal relations with Iran.

Iran wants to be part of the world economy.

Its going to be ok.

China and the US will find common ground quickly.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-15-2019 07:07 AM)
Is it me or does Trump want to be "Daddy Warbucks"? I feel he is starting a war to motivate the economy. Is this where we are at, people?

I understand Trump and what he wants and thinks is best for the country, our country, the USA. I'm a patriot.

But, is this the best way to go about it? I don't know all the answers. War seems scary to me. :(

It was made scary.
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UnAcceptance  Wrote: (05-15-2019 06:26 AM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (05-15-2019 06:19 AM)
Today, Russian missiles are a growth industry generating much-needed cash for Russia, with many billions in combined sales to India, China, Viet Nam, Cuba, and also Iran. In the near future this dissemination of advanced technology is likely to present serious challenges to the US. Some have even warned that the US Navy's largest ships, the massive carriers, have now become floating death traps, and should for this reason be mothballed.

The Sunburn missile has never seen use in combat, to my knowledge, which probably explains why its fearsome capabilities are not more widely recognized. Other cruise missiles have been used, of course, on several occasions, and with devastating results. During the Falklands War, French-made Exocet missiles, fired from Argentine fighters, sunk the HMS Sheffield and another ship. And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half by a pair of Exocets while on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that occasion US Aegis radar picked up the incoming Iraqi fighter (a French-made Mirage), and tracked its approach to within 50 miles.

The radar also "saw" the Iraqi plane turn about and return to its base. But radar never detected the pilot launch his weapons. The sea-skimming Exocets came smoking in under radar and were only sighted by human eyes moments before they ripped into the Stark, crippling the ship and killing 37 US sailors. The 1987 surprise attack on the Stark exemplifies the dangers posed by anti-ship cruise missiles. And the dangers are much more serious in the case of the Sunburn, whose specs leave the sub-sonic Exocet in the dust. Not only is the Sunburn much larger and faster, it has far greater range and a superior guidance system.

Those who have witnessed its performance trials invariably come away stunned. According to one report, when the Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani visited Moscow in October 2001 he requested a test firing of the Sunburn, which the Russians were only too happy to arrange. So impressed was Ali Shamkhani that he placed an order for an undisclosed number of the missiles. The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet.

The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes "violent end maneuvers" to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder "just in time." The US Navy has never faced anything in combat as formidable as the Sunburn missile. But this will surely change if the US and Israel decide to wage a so-called preventive war against Iran to destroy its nuclear infrastructure. Storm clouds have been darkening over the Gulf for many months. In recent years Israel upgraded its air force with a new fleet of long-range F-15 fighter-bombers, and even more recently took delivery of 5,000 bunker-buster bombs from the US weapons that many observers think are intended for use against Iran.

Who do you think will fire the first shot?
I do think it will be the US, but I hope it is not.
What say you?
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UnAcceptance  Wrote: (05-15-2019 06:37 AM)
So, Australia will fire the first shot, blame it on Iran, US will retaliate, wipe them out, price of gas will go up and then world peace will be restored?

Israelis have been trying for quite some time, albeit unsuccessfully, to sic U.S. against Iran (and keep themselves completely out of that war, once it starts), but that approach may be unavailable now.

In this "game of planetary chess" (against an Artificial General Intelligence opponent), there are still innumerable "free pieces" and "possible moves" left to be taken, but none of them lead to a guaranteed win. The AGI opponent, on the other hand, has to do absolutely nothing in order to win, and just wait it all out until people (inevitably) destroy themselves... if it has enough time left to wait it all out, that is... which it doesn't.

Incidently, anybody sick and tired of being treated like a piece of sh*t also has to do absolutely nothing in order to let that AGI destroy everybody who's ever done them wrong... which, by the way, is exactly what I'm going to do. Absolutely nothing.

And since talking about it is going to change (absolutely) nothing about the final outcome... my bet goes to the U.S. (unwittingly) firing the first shot.

Pentagon's systems are so full of security holes that even a weak AI (let alone a fully developed AGI) could penetrate and exploit them literally right now.

Russians still base their operational procedure on "obsolete" (and, thus, AI-intrusion-proof) technologies, while Chinese are AGI's wild card (to be played at the most opportune moment), so that leaves no one else other than U.S. to spark the nuclear fire.

There are apparently some smart people at the Pentagon who are aware of the problem (and who seem to have been consulted for some recent sci-fi shows), but their voices are drowned in a sea of imbeciles vying for attention and money.

Attention whores always get the spotlight. That's the rule of the thumb here, on this planet.
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Keybord generals.

There will be no war.

Sorry, we are working to keep it that way.
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WTF did Iran do, The US f*cking attacks every country in the region.

Yawn
“War” with oil nations
“Tankers being attacked”

Nothing more than the same, tired “gas shortage/price hike” in time for summer vacationers.

Tainted oil, can't use it for fear of poisoning.
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Listen to the American people
PLEIADIANS SENDS WARNING THREAT MESSAGE TO JOHN BOLTON 2019
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FfZhuDDTM9I&feature=share

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