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where is the line between...
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The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:22 PM)
i don´t think you know what AI is becoming,

it is beyond anything you can ever imagine,

I don't think you know the difference between cybernated organisms and human programming.

The videos you've posted are almost like a show to me. They never give you specifics or some information you can use. Some guy talked AI to AGI to SAI but didn't share any information on how to make an integrated system. Then there are the neurologists that study the brain and completely ignored the environmental factors. Then there's one woman who talked about the difference between the neurons in machines and neurons in the brain, which is the most probable of all the videos—too bad that she didn't tell the speed of these two types of neurons and their responding range. Chemical neurons are relatively slow compared to machine's.
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Love and hate, understanding and opposition. Fraid you'll never find it in me!
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No matter how powerful they get, machines can't take over because they don't have feelings, only biological organisms have that.

Human programming seeks reinforcement. In machine programming, you have to SET your own reinforcement(ML, DL, etc) therefore, it is simulated, not the same as humans. That's the robotics and AI of today.

The reason why sometimes we feel left out is because of people like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and other companies that use "be careful of AI" as a business tactic so the people could not practice AI as much as they should. The Tesla car, for example, uses AI. Microsoft is pouring lots and lots of money in AI research. Heck, you can even win a 20k usd if they choose your CSV file in some ai competition website.

So the question really is 'How AI is being used' not 'Machine take over' because they can't.

it is not so much the idea that they will take over,

it is the idea that their potential for unctrolled destruction is not well known by anyone,

if a swarm of AI military drones gets of out of control,

they would become practically unstopable,

and like you said...they don´t have feelings,

so they won´t feel remorse when destroying things and humans,

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not even the people that created AI understand how it works,

because it has millions of elements,





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this is what 5G will look like from the sky,

when AI gets access to this,

a whole new game begins,

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Hellas-Sat-4/SaudiGeoSat-1, incorporates improved power, propulsion and electronics systems and advanced manufacturing techniques to reduce costs.

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assembly

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Path to Holy Grail

If Jesus is with me, who can stand against me?
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If u can see the in between then u have to walk it, or else u will fall. Balance is life but balance is not perfect, but yet is.

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the pursuit if AI is a multi billion dollar industry,

with almost no regulations,

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the title says it all,




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The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (06-17-2019 09:59 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:16 PM)
No matter how powerful they get, machines can't take over because they don't have feelings, only biological organisms have that.

Human programming seeks reinforcement. In machine programming, you have to SET your own reinforcement(ML, DL, etc) therefore, it is simulated, not the same as humans. That's the robotics and AI of today.

The reason why sometimes we feel left out is because of people like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and other companies that use "be careful of AI" as a business tactic so the people could not practice AI as much as they should. The Tesla car, for example, uses AI. Microsoft is pouring lots and lots of money in AI research. Heck, you can even win a 20k usd if they choose your CSV file in some ai competition website.

So the question really is 'How AI is being used' not 'Machine take over' because they can't.

it is not so much the idea that they will take over,

it is the idea that their potential for unctrolled destruction is not well known by anyone,

if a swarm of AI military drones gets of out of control,

they would become practically unstopable,

and like you said...they don´t have feelings,

so they won´t feel remorse when destroying things and humans,


Let me try it another way.
If you call a dog to come to you, then you kick it or punish it. If you do enough repetition, it will never come back to you.

Now, If you program a robot to climb the coconut tree and pick up coconuts, then you put the coconuts on the ground, the robot will still climb the tree and pick nothing—Unless there's an additional program to handle that kind of event. That's the robotics of today. I'm talking about machine learning, deep learning, etc. There has to be a 'defined' goal for a robot to able to actually navigate. And who sets the goal? Humans.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2019 06:49 PM)
The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (06-17-2019 09:59 PM)
it is not so much the idea that they will take over,

it is the idea that their potential for unctrolled destruction is not well known by anyone,

if a swarm of AI military drones gets of out of control,

they would become practically unstopable,

and like you said...they don´t have feelings,

so they won´t feel remorse when destroying things and humans,


Let me try it another way.
If you call a dog to come to you, then you kick it or punish it. If you do enough repetition, it will never come back to you.

Now, If you program a robot to climb the coconut tree and pick up coconuts, then you put the coconuts on the ground, the robot will still climb the tree and pick nothing—Unless there's an additional program to handle that kind of event. That's the robotics of today. I'm talking about machine learning, deep learning, etc. There has to be a 'defined' goal for a robot to able to actually navigate. And who sets the goal? Humans.

AI will become a thing unto itself,

humans can not understand what will happen because no one knows how it operates,

AI is not a robot,

if a robot is inserted with AI,

it is not a robot anymore,

no one knows what it is because the complexity of AI internal function has millions of elements,

all of them working at the same time,

without feelings,

i am assuming that you are trying to say that AI is OK,

well yes it is OK right now,

but as it progresses no one knows what will happen,

but the people who are developing it have things that concern them,

and the main one is the unpredictability of it,

once AI gets into the web it will gain access to satellites, the cloud, technological infrastructure in ways no one can predict,

another aspect is the military,

the military is/will be using AI to pretty much take out enemy targets, and they are beginning to use it without human intervention,

and that´s where things get weird, to put it lightly,

i am not against AI,

i just want people to be informed,

i am a data analyst,

that is my main job,

i analyze all data,

everything...

i leave nothing out....nothing...

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Every CT on earth starts with "i heard from a guy".

And every accepted fact begins with "I am the media, i am the scientist, i am the man you elected in an arbitrary manmade system, i am the human race: I am the man who tells you the truth.
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