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ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:43 PM)
Cowboy  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:33 PM)
Good Fodder for lefties to slobber at the bit, but will amount to be a nothing burger as always.

Biden (if he makes it to Inauguration Day) will not go after Trump despite pressure by democrats.
He has said so himself. "Just wants to move on."

Of course he does. I'd want a low profile too if I'd just stolen an election.

Democrats' "anonymous" sources don't cut the mustard, and they've cried wolf too many times.

He knows the consequences should he set his DOJ against Trump in this nation. It would NOT be pretty.

chuckle

It would not be pretty for Trump and his corrupt family.

Biden does not have to "set" his DOJ on Trump, plenty of cases will come up from various ongoing and future investigations. All he has to do and will do is say he is not going to interfere with his DOJ, which is what a president is supposed to do.

Then they can investigate and bring charges as they feel they meet criminal case determinations.

If Trump calls for violence or if his violent followers decide to attempt violent acts out of anger at what the state courts and the DOJ decide to do in pressing charges against Trump, his family and corrupt cronies, they will be stopped and investigated and charged with the crimes they commit.

Joe Biden is not afraid of Trump or his idiot militant chumps.

Whatever you say, Heman.

chuckle

We will see how this turns out.
IF. BIG IF... Democrats pull off the coup.

chuckle

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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:21 PM)
They all do highly questionable pardons on their way out.
Democrat and Republican. Same/Same.
(Examples - Clinton and Marc Rich. Obama and Oscar Lopez Rivera).
However ... Trump is saying he'll run again in 2024.
And any controversial pardons now could come back to haunt him in 2024.
So that MAY keep the number down somewhat.
Although with Trumps ego, it just as easily might not.
I guess we'll see.

Yes but Obama did very few controversial pardons. Biden was mentored in that kind of do what is right for the nation kind of leadership. Biden is going to try to have a very non corrupt and non indicted administration just like Obama did.

What Trump is doing is out right vast corruption and then using pardons to get away with as much of their illegal corruptions as possible.

That is not how any administration has acted before. This is going to be a huge number of Trump pardons for profits and pardons with criminal corrupt intent.

Many Trump pardons will likely go to the fed. courts and the supreme court and the judicial branch of office has no interest in helping Trump get away with criminality and corruption.

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:09 PM)
Where's the investigation into Hunter Biden and associates?
I guess if you don't investigate, you don't find the crime, convict, and have to pardon.
Hell with the Trump family, all it takes is an allegation to need a pardon.
The left hate the Trump family so much for screwing up their schemes that they'll be having investigations of Barron's children's children.
This is like one of those generational things you hear about.


So Barr decided not to investigate Hunter?chuckle
An investigation into Hunter has sh*t to do with anti-Trumpers and everything to do with what Trump & Co. want,

After America's historians get done with Trump you'll hear about some of Trump's descendants and future descendants changing their name.Rofl

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Cowboy  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:47 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:43 PM)
It would not be pretty for Trump and his corrupt family.

Biden does not have to "set" his DOJ on Trump, plenty of cases will come up from various ongoing and future investigations. All he has to do and will do is say he is not going to interfere with his DOJ, which is what a president is supposed to do.

Then they can investigate and bring charges as they feel they meet criminal case determinations.

If Trump calls for violence or if his violent followers decide to attempt violent acts out of anger at what the state courts and the DOJ decide to do in pressing charges against Trump, his family and corrupt cronies, they will be stopped and investigated and charged with the crimes they commit.

Joe Biden is not afraid of Trump or his idiot militant chumps.

Whatever you say, Heman.

chuckle

We will see how this turns out.
IF. BIG IF... Democrats pull off the coup.

chuckle

The election is not a coup. Bill Barr just said they had looked at the elections and there was not any fraud or manipulations that would rise to any level of changing the vote outcome.

Trumps cyber security expert said the same thing. The election was not crooked. Biden won fair and square.

Bill Bars set his best prosecutors to look at election fraud, they had free range to find any election interference or hacking or manipulation and Bill Barr said yesterday there was nothing that should affect the states certifying there electors, for Biden as the voters determined.

If you are saying Bill Barr is lying and part of some nefarious coup you are a complete idiot. But we knew that already. chuckle

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:53 PM)
Cowboy  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:47 PM)
Whatever you say, Heman.

chuckle

We will see how this turns out.
IF. BIG IF... Democrats pull off the coup.

chuckle

The election is not a coup. Bill Barr just said they had looked at the elections and there was not any fraud or manipulations that would rise to any level of changing the vote outcome.

Trumps cyber security expert said the same thing. The election was not crooked. Biden won fair and square.

Bill Bars set his best prosecutors to look at election fraud, they had free range to find any election interference or hacking or manipulation and Bill Barr said yesterday there was nothing that should affect the states certifying there electors, for Biden as the voters determined.

If you are saying Bill Barr is lying and part of some nefarious coup you are a complete idiot. But we knew that already. chuckle

It is not over until it's over, Heman.
No matter how many times you assert that it is, and no matter how many times you call anyone who doesn't agree with you names.

chuckle
Let's wait and see, shall we?

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Cowboy  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:59 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:53 PM)
The election is not a coup. Bill Barr just said they had looked at the elections and there was not any fraud or manipulations that would rise to any level of changing the vote outcome.

Trumps cyber security expert said the same thing. The election was not crooked. Biden won fair and square.

Bill Bars set his best prosecutors to look at election fraud, they had free range to find any election interference or hacking or manipulation and Bill Barr said yesterday there was nothing that should affect the states certifying there electors, for Biden as the voters determined.

If you are saying Bill Barr is lying and part of some nefarious coup you are a complete idiot. But we knew that already. chuckle

It is not over until it's over, Heman.
No matter how many times you assert that it is, and no matter how many times you call anyone who doesn't agree with you names.

chuckle
Let's wait and see, shall we?

Yes we will see, but what about what Bill Barr said, is he part of some coup?

Also:

Trump seems to know it is over:

Trump openly floats idea of 2024 White House run

"Donald Trump — who finds himself more and more isolated, with his quixotic quest to overturn Joe Biden’s election victory squashed at every turn — is openly musing about a second run at the US presidency in 2024.

“It’s been an amazing four years. We are trying to do another four years. Otherwise, I’ll see you in four years,” he told guests at a White House Christmas party on Tuesday.

The event, attended by several Republican Party power brokers, was closed to the media, but a video of the outgoing president’s speech quickly went public.

Nearly a month after the November 3 election the 74-year-old Trump still refuses to acknowledge that he lost and has not conceded to his Democratic rival, who is busy building his incoming administration.

Shuttered in the White House, Trump has limited his public appearances to the bare minimum but has not shied away from spewing furious tweets about alleged election fraud — which his own attorney general says is not evident.

“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Bill Barr told the Associated Press on Tuesday.

Barr’s statement was all the more powerful because he is a staunch Trump ally.

Given the curious political climate, in which the president-elect is busy introducing his cabinet nominees while the current president spreads conspiracy theories, speculation in the nation’s capital is running wild.

According to NBC News, Trump has discussed the possibility with his close aides of launching his 2024 campaign on January 20 — Inauguration Day for Biden, which clearly the Republican does not plan to attend.

As he has admitted publicly in the past, the Manhattan real estate mogul-turned-president is a bit superstitious. In 2017, he filed the paperwork for his 2020 campaign on January 20, the same day he took the oath of office.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/trump-openly-floats-idea-of-2024-white-house-run/

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 07:04 PM)
Cowboy  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:59 PM)
It is not over until it's over, Heman.
No matter how many times you assert that it is, and no matter how many times you call anyone who doesn't agree with you names.

chuckle
Let's wait and see, shall we?

Yes we will see, but what about what Bill Barr said, is he part of some coup?

Also:

Trump seems to know it is over:

Trump openly floats idea of 2024 White House run

"Donald Trump — who finds himself more and more isolated, with his quixotic quest to overturn Joe Biden’s election victory squashed at every turn — is openly musing about a second run at the US presidency in 2024.

“It’s been an amazing four years. We are trying to do another four years. Otherwise, I’ll see you in four years,” he told guests at a White House Christmas party on Tuesday.

The event, attended by several Republican Party power brokers, was closed to the media, but a video of the outgoing president’s speech quickly went public.

Nearly a month after the November 3 election the 74-year-old Trump still refuses to acknowledge that he lost and has not conceded to his Democratic rival, who is busy building his incoming administration.

Shuttered in the White House, Trump has limited his public appearances to the bare minimum but has not shied away from spewing furious tweets about alleged election fraud — which his own attorney general says is not evident.

“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Bill Barr told the Associated Press on Tuesday.

Barr’s statement was all the more powerful because he is a staunch Trump ally.

Given the curious political climate, in which the president-elect is busy introducing his cabinet nominees while the current president spreads conspiracy theories, speculation in the nation’s capital is running wild.

According to NBC News, Trump has discussed the possibility with his close aides of launching his 2024 campaign on January 20 — Inauguration Day for Biden, which clearly the Republican does not plan to attend.

As he has admitted publicly in the past, the Manhattan real estate mogul-turned-president is a bit superstitious. In 2017, he filed the paperwork for his 2020 campaign on January 20, the same day he took the oath of office.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/trump-openly-floats-idea-of-2024-white-house-run/

Could be as you say.
Also could be that Trump is appearing weak at this point on purpose, per "The Art Of War". Could be that Barr is playing along.
Besides, Barr's words ended in "at this time".
If you look back on this thread, you'll see I used the words "IF" while referring to who will be the next sitting president.
The swamp is deep and murky.
It is entirely possible that Democrats could get away with stealing the election. The narrative is being strongly controlled across the media.
It is also entirely possible that Trump is the one Inaugurated in January.
I'm amused at your attempt at a trap, though. It's cute.

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Obviously more fake news CNN came up with to counter Project Veritas releasing their calls about censoring the election fraud
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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:49 PM)
PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:21 PM)
They all do highly questionable pardons on their way out.
Democrat and Republican. Same/Same.
(Examples - Clinton and Marc Rich. Obama and Oscar Lopez Rivera).
However ... Trump is saying he'll run again in 2024.
And any controversial pardons now could come back to haunt him in 2024.
So that MAY keep the number down somewhat.
Although with Trumps ego, it just as easily might not.
I guess we'll see.

Yes but Obama did very few controversial pardons. Biden was mentored in that kind of do what is right for the nation kind of leadership. Biden is going to try to have a very non corrupt and non indicted administration just like Obama did.

What Trump is doing is out right vast corruption and then using pardons to get away with as much of their illegal corruptions as possible.

That is not how any administration has acted before. This is going to be a huge number of Trump pardons for profits and pardons with criminal corrupt intent.

Many Trump pardons will likely go to the fed. courts and the supreme court and the judicial branch of office has no interest in helping Trump get away with criminality and corruption.

1200 pardons from the Kenyan.
22 pardons from President Trump.

Ya all posting in a shill thread.

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:49 PM)
Yes but Obama did very few controversial pardons. Biden was mentored in that kind of do what is right for the nation kind of leadership. Biden is going to try to have a very non corrupt and non indicted administration just like Obama did.

What Trump is doing is out right vast corruption and then using pardons to get away with as much of their illegal corruptions as possible.

That is not how any administration has acted before. This is going to be a huge number of Trump pardons for profits and pardons with criminal corrupt intent.

Many Trump pardons will likely go to the fed. courts and the supreme court and the judicial branch of office has no interest in helping Trump get away with criminality and corruption.

1200 pardons from the Kenyan.
22 pardons from President Trump.

Ya all posting in a shill thread.

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 07:15 PM)
Obviously more fake news CNN came up with to counter Project Veritas releasing their calls about censoring the election fraud

CNN and any reputable media don't give a sh*t about anything corrupt and lying Project Veritas does or says, they are famous for lying and misleading and putting out highly edited videos that completely change contexts and meanings.

If they come up with any real proof of election fraud or criminality, Trump's DOJ will look at it and decide if it can be taken to courts. Then CNN will address any of that like they do anything of real import.

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:49 PM)
Yes but Obama did very few controversial pardons. Biden was mentored in that kind of do what is right for the nation kind of leadership. Biden is going to try to have a very non corrupt and non indicted administration just like Obama did.

What Trump is doing is out right vast corruption and then using pardons to get away with as much of their illegal corruptions as possible.

That is not how any administration has acted before. This is going to be a huge number of Trump pardons for profits and pardons with criminal corrupt intent.

Many Trump pardons will likely go to the fed. courts and the supreme court and the judicial branch of office has no interest in helping Trump get away with criminality and corruption.

1200 pardons from the Kenyan.
22 pardons from President Trump.

Ya all posting in a shill thread.

Shbokjlc
Pctpanho

It's not the number of pardons it is the intent of the pardon and if it serves a national purpose that helps the nation. The huge majority of those Obama pardons were to get people out of prisons that had served at least five years and that were in jail for non-violent drug offences, and that had been sentenced to log and harsh prison terms.

Putting people in prison for long terms for non-violent drug crimes is not a good thing and Obama had a vetting process to make sure those pardons met all of the criteria.

Those pardons were a step toward justice not at all like what Trump is doing with his corrupt criminal tax evading family and his corrupt lawyer giuliani etc. etc.

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 08:09 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 07:43 PM)
1200 pardons from the Kenyan.
22 pardons from President Trump.

Ya all posting in a shill thread.

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Pctpanho

It's not the number of pardons it is the intent of the pardon and if it serves a national purpose that helps the nation. The huge majority of those Obama pardons were to get people out of prisons that had served at least five years and that were in jail for non-violent drug offences, and that had been sentenced to log and harsh prison terms.

Putting people in prison for long terms for non-violent drug crimes is not a good thing and Obama had a vetting process to make sure those pardons met all of the criteria.

Those pardons were a step toward justice not at all like what Trump is doing with his corrupt criminal tax evading family and his corrupt lawyer giuliani etc. etc.

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:49 PM)
Yes but Obama did very few controversial pardons.
Oscar Lopez Rivera is pretty damn out of the way and controversial.
And Chelsea Manning as well.

Quote:Biden was mentored in that kind of do what is right for the nation kind of leadership. Biden is going to try to have a very non corrupt and non indicted administration just like Obama did.
Hun ... that's projection. We don't know what he'll be doing or what he'll be trying. I doubt he'll make it entirely through the first term to order ANY pardons. It'll be President Harris making pardons. That's my guess. But we are both just guessing at this point.

Quote:What Trump is doing is out right vast corruption and then using pardons to get away with as much of their illegal corruptions as possible.

Let's take a look - 28 pardons. 17 Commutations (time served).
unless I'm missing some others -
Trump Pardons - Information
Justice.Gov List Pardons Granted by Donald Trump

Alice Johnson - (Prison Reform)

Susan B. Anthony - (everyone knows this story)

Scooter Libby - 2007 perjury and obstruction of justice. Sentence long ago commuted by Bush43. Trump pardoned.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio -Convicted of 'criminal contempt'. He sought out, arrested, and got illegal aliens deported.

Dinesh D'Souza - 2014 made illegal contribution to a New York politician. Five years in prison. Trump said it was excessive and pardoned him.

Bernard Kerik - Convicted of eight felonies in 2010. Tax fraud and lying to White House officials.

Michael Flynn - Legally met with Russians after 2016 election, then strangely lied about the meeting to the investigators. BTW, Biden and his team are having the same post-election meetings with foreigners.

Dwight and Stephen Hammond - The whole Oregon Bundy Ranch and arson thing.

Kristian Saucier - The navy person who took personal pictures on a sub and some had classified hardware in the back grounds. Unintentional leak but still a leak.

Military folks with various situations ...

'Blago' - left wing disgraced gov of Ill. Trump said the sentence was too severe.
Nearly everyone disagreed with that pardon decision.

Michael Milken, Paul Pogue, David Safavain, Pat Nolan,
Conrad Black, Angela Stanton, Eddie Debartolo

Quote:That is not how any administration has acted before.
hmmmm .... Trumps 45 pardons/commutations vs ... these ...
Yeah ... you are right ... previous administrations didn't act like Trump.
They were WORSE! chuckle
Honestly, look at all the pardons by both the democrats and republicans.
It's pretty much the same pattern.
Although Bill Clinton really went out of his way with a bunch of these ...

Bill Clinton pardoned family, friends, donors, donors/business associates of Clinton family members, mega democrats, and even outright terrorists. Heck, both the House and Senate - BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS - condemned Clintons pardons/commutations.
Justice.Gov pardon list
List of people pardoned/commuted by Bill Clinton - 456 people
Bill Clinton Pardon Controversy Click Here

Barack Obama pardoned/commuted 1927 people.
A bunch were drug related. But a whole lot more were not.
Justice.Gov pardon list Obama
Justice.Gov Commutation List Obama
List and Stories of people granted executive clemency by Obama


Pew Research - So Far Trump Has Granted Clemency Less Frequently Than Any President in Modern History Click Here

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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-02-2020 08:19 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:49 PM)
Yes but Obama did very few controversial pardons.
Oscar Lopez Rivera is pretty damn out of the way and controversial.
And Chelsea Manning as well.

Quote:Biden was mentored in that kind of do what is right for the nation kind of leadership. Biden is going to try to have a very non corrupt and non indicted administration just like Obama did.
Hun ... that's projection. We don't know what he'll be doing or what he'll be trying. I doubt he'll make it entirely through the first term to order ANY pardons. It'll be President Harris making pardons. That's my guess. But we are both just guessing at this point.

Quote:What Trump is doing is out right vast corruption and then using pardons to get away with as much of their illegal corruptions as possible.

Let's take a look - 28 pardons. 17 Commutations (time served).
unless I'm missing some others -
Trump Pardons - Information
Justice.Gov List Pardons Granted by Donald Trump

Alice Johnson - (Prison Reform)

Susan B. Anthony - (everyone knows this story)

Scooter Libby - 2007 perjury and obstruction of justice. Sentence long ago commuted by Bush43. Trump pardoned.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio -Convicted of 'criminal contempt'. He sought out, arrested, and got illegal aliens deported.

Dinesh D'Souza - 2014 made illegal contribution to a New York politician. Five years in prison. Trump said it was excessive and pardoned him.

Bernard Kerik - Convicted of eight felonies in 2010. Tax fraud and lying to White House officials.

Michael Flynn - Legally met with Russians after 2016 election, then strangely lied about the meeting to the investigators. BTW, Biden and his team are having the same post-election meetings with foreigners.

Dwight and Stephen Hammond - The whole Oregon Bundy Ranch and arson thing.

Kristian Saucier - The navy person who took personal pictures on a sub and some had classified hardware in the back grounds. Unintentional leak but still a leak.

Military folks with various situations ...

'Blago' - left wing disgraced gov of Ill. Trump said the sentence was too severe.
Nearly everyone disagreed with that pardon decision.

Michael Milken, Paul Pogue, David Safavain, Pat Nolan,
Conrad Black, Angela Stanton, Eddie Debartolo

Quote:That is not how any administration has acted before.
hmmmm .... Trumps 45 pardons/commutations vs ... these ...
Yeah ... you are right ... previous administrations didn't act like Trump.
They were WORSE! chuckle
Honestly, look at all the pardons by both the democrats and republicans.
It's pretty much the same pattern.
Although Bill Clinton really went out of his way with a bunch of these ...

Bill Clinton pardoned family, friends, donors, donors/business associates of Clinton family members, mega democrats, and even outright terrorists. Heck, both the House and Senate - BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS - condemned Clintons pardons/commutations.
Justice.Gov pardon list
List of people pardoned/commuted by Bill Clinton - 456 people
Bill Clinton Pardon Controversy Click Here

Barack Obama pardoned/commuted 1927 people.
A bunch were drug related. But a whole lot more were not.
Justice.Gov pardon list Obama
Justice.Gov Commutation List Obama
List and Stories of people granted executive clemency by Obama


Pew Research - So Far Trump Has Granted Clemency Less Frequently Than Any President in Modern History Click Here

Very nice informative post.
Thanks for your time in compiling it.

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