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Easy Religion in a Nutshell
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Easy Religion in a Nutshell
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3:83
Do they seek other than the religion of God (monotheism), while to God submit all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to God shall they all be returned.

12:40
"You worship besides God only names which you have named - you and your ancestors - for which God has sent down no authority. The command/judgment is with none but God. God has commanded that you worship none but God (Monotheistic Worship); that is the straight religion, but most men know not.

22:67
For every nation We have ordained religious ceremonies which they must follow; so let them not dispute with you on the matter, but invite them to your Lord (and monotheism). Verily you indeed are on the straight guidance.

43:64
"Verily, God! God is my Lord and your Lord. So worship God. This is the Straight Path."

98:5
And they are ordered naught else than to obey God, keeping religion pure for God, as men by nature upright, and to establish worship and to give in charity. That is true religion.

GOD BY DEDUCTION:

To learn how to respond to me, check out this post:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid3000704

Please enjoy the following articles, which explain the concept of "God" in a few ways. Once you have read the linked articles below, please take a moment to vote on what you think afterwards!
***EXPLAINING GOD THROUGH REASON[/size]

Now the latest post:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid2799707

the second most recent post:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid2756630

and the original:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid1540014

This explains what the thread is about:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid2828153

This explains some of the terms used and their meanings:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid2864921

A person can call anything they want "god", and it might not be the same as what I call "God".

This thread is mainly about explaining what I call "God". People might call things lesser than what I call "God" "god" but then I try to show how what they are talking about is lesser than what I am talking about.

I am talking about the very greatest, the optimus maximus, the hypsistos, of where there is absolutely nothing greater, of which everything is lesser. I am not accusing some being of being this, I am saying whatever is the absolute greatest of which everything is lesser, that is what I call God, and nothing else do I call God or consider God.

This can't be a false statement, it refers to what I call God, and finally it specifies no creature, but rather says whatever is the absolute greatest of which everything else is lesser, that is what I call God.

You can go through and read the posts linked in the first post to see what I call God, if you haven't already.

Other people accuse various beings of being God, they say Jesus is God or Seabaoth the born is God, or Yaldabaoth the son of Chaos or whatever else. These are accusations, and they can't prove them.

I am not making an accusation about any being. I am not saying this is God or that is God. I am saying whatever is the absolute greatest of which nothing is greater and everything else is lesser is what I call God.

Then I've described what has to exist, in order for anything else to exist, and what is the greatest, and how everything else is lesser than it, and why it is that way. It is that way because everything that comes after the first producer is under the rules and possibilities the first producer made possible, and that includes even what exists now.

___________

Ok guys, let me explain something that might (hopefully) help you all for the rest of your lives.

The most powerful aspect of human communication is language, composed of words, which have meanings that refer to concepts.

We use the english language often, but there are other languages in the world, and there were languages that no longer exist as well.

Sometimes words and concepts were associated with symbolic ideas that were a way to refer to these greater concepts in poetic or symbolic ways.

Language has logical laws, where some terms used imply that other things can't be that same thing. At other times, multiple words can be used to describe different attributes of one objective. In the case of God, these are called epithets, but are sometimes taken as "names" when they are not "names" but descriptions.

In the laws of language and logic, for example, something defined the same way is the same thing. An apple is still an apple when called pomme in french, because the word pomme refers to the same definition as the word apple.

Similarly, there are words like "all" and "greatest" which close off other possibilities linguistically. For example, if I say "those are all the apples" that is supposed to mean all of them, not just some of them or none of them, but the complete group.

When someone says something is the "greatest" it means that nothing is supposed to be greater than the term being used.

If someone makes this accusation to certain things, it has to be verified, but if someone says "whatever is greatest" then they are talking about whatever is "greatest" which can actually be understood as a concept through language and even attributes can be identified to what would be the greatest.

So when stories were told in ancient myths, one has to pay very careful attention to the words being used. Sometimes it is difficult to understand what is being talked about, because of not knowing the cultural context or meaning of the terms when symbolic language is used.

When this happens, one has to find out through other clues what those terms might have meant to the people, or what they depicted. For example, Amun means "Hidden" and it was the invisible supreme God of some of the Egyptians.

Later on, Amun was depicted symbolically as a king with a crown with two high feathers, and skin colored blue. The blue color was the same color used of "Shu" the air, and the crown had feathers towering very high. One could guess based on this, that this symbolic imagery was not to be taken literally, but rather that it was saying that Amun, which means hidden, is encompassing everything and omnipresent like the air (Tezcatlipoca was also compared to the air with the term "night wind"), and the towering feathers and crown represent that Amun is the Highest, and the King of everything, and all the "netjer" which were the various powers that existed in the world.

In Hindu depictions, even though the Vedas warned against idolatry and worship of images (due to the confusion it can cause by being taken literally, and also being false in the sense of a false representation of the imageless God), the symbology is often understood by certain educated priests. Everything from the hair representing a certain river, to the necklaces or other details refers to some attribute of the One God. This is how it was in very part of the world generally, where God and the various natural powers of the world were symbolically divided into various images, that may have come to be misunderstood over time, but were definitely misunderstood by Christian scholars who had an agenda towards showing how different these practices were from their own while trying to abolish them.

There are many reasons why a literal snake or any form can't be the Ultimate, and only the Ultimate can be the Ultimate. The reason for this relates to language and concepts. One can understand why certain things can not qualify because of their literal dimensions. If something has a literal form, it is encompassed by that form, and is surrounded by that which is greater than it, and so it can't honestly be called the greatest in a linguistically accurate way.

That is just one example.

So when words are being used, like Satan, these are not names, but attributes, descriptive terms. Anyone can be a satan to anyone else, because anyone can be an enemy or adversary to anyone else if they intend to do harm to them or do harm to them. We know this because of language.

YHWH doesn't mean adversary or enemy. It is thought to mean "He that shows himself", "He that makes manifest", and things like that. It was an epithet for the Supreme Ultimate, called El or Allah or Ellah or Allaha in the semitic languages, with the root letters of A L H and pronounced "Ullah". The root means "The, Beyond, Powerful, One, God" and things like that. All those ideas are encompassed in the root and when it is used in other words as well.

You can call whatever you want "God" because the word simply means that which is invoked, but to me the term should exclusively be used for "whatever is absolutely the greatest". The greatest can not be encompassed by anything greater, can not be encompassed at all, so it has to be infinite, all encompassing, omnipresent (unobstructed), omnipotent (not under any power or control outside its own), omniscient (having all information), and things like that.

If something doesn't fit these essential quality, of the Ultimate from which everything came, and of which controls all information that exists (everything is information), then I'd suggest not calling it God at all.

Jesus is not God, for example, because Jesus clearly worships God and doesn't even know what God knows (he makes this clear when it says only the "Father" knows).

The word being translated as "Father" is the greek word "Pater" which also means Master, and God is considered the "Pater" of the Stars and celestial bodies as well, so it is not talking about biological fatherhood or functions.

Pay careful attention to language, it is the key to understanding things, and try to be as linguistically sharp and accurate as possible.

There can only be One Infinite Greatest.

There can also only be one you.

If something moves where you move, looks like you, walks like you, and does so at the same exact time, it is just you, one individual, not two which would have to encompass their own space and time.

The word being translated as Lord is probably YHWH which is often replaced with the term Adonai when read by Jewish people. Adon means Master, Superior or Lord, and the ai part at the end means "my". Similarly, Rabbi also means "my master," or "my superior", or "my Lord".

The real "Satan" is going to be your enemy, someone that intends harm to you.

The Ultimate God controls all harm and benefit to people, all the good and the bad that can happen, because all good and bad experiences are information, and whatever is Greatest is supposed to control and encompass all the information. If it has no control over information, it isn't anything but impotent, rather than omnipotent.

God is what sustains and animates reality itself, and this is the way it was understood by the ancients who spoke of Amun and how the netjer were all under the control of Amun, and the Greeks, and Chinese, and the Aryans, and the Africans, and everyone else in the world. When they talked about the "King of the powers" or "gods" which weren't really Gods at all, but usually just words for natural things, they mean that which rules over and controls the powers and they were all talking about the One Ultimate, because there can only be one. The various names and epithets they used made it clear that only One was considered greatest, and only One can be considered greatest because that is how the concept of "greatest" works (even though "greatest" is an english word of course).

So don't get confused by these different things being treated like names, they aren't names, they are words with definitions and they refer to concepts.

Also, adopt an Occam's Razor attitude. This is sometimes called lex parsimoniae in Latin, and means the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness. It is "a principle that generally recommends that, from among competing hypotheses, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions usually provides the correct one, and that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible until evidence is presented to prove it false."

The gnostic idea introduces so many new ideas and points, unbelievable things, multiple entities, and tons of stuff.

Keep it simple.

There is only one logical point of origin, one Ultimate that encompasses all and controls everything. That is the only one that qualifies to be invoked and so called "God" because it has the power to give all harm and benefit and everything else is subordinate and under the final control of it. It can be your friend, or your enemy, but it would be wisest to try to get benefit from it rather than harm.

Any lesser entity, that has difficulties navigating or accomplishing things, is a weakling, forget about it. Any extra complicated stories that introduce tons of new assumptions that have to be made, interdimensional realms, aliens, blah blah, is just a waste of time.

God is not a being in the ordinary sense, it is what you live by, what sustains your reality, what animates your life, what is aware of all information, what can help if it chooses to. So speak only to the Utmost, the Ultimate, when praying and worship nothing less.

This is not accusing some formed being of being God. This is not saying some alien flying in space called YHWH is God. This is saying that whatever is the absolute Ultimate, the real controller of everything is what one should seek benefit from and direct prayers at, nothing lesser, nothing in conflict, nothing in need of things. The sustainer, the animator, the ultimate, the one, the greatest, the highest, the supreme, the infinite, the omnipresent, the omnipotent, the omniscient, the true king, the unencompassed, the encompasser of all, the unlimited (by form or dimensions or rules or restrictions), the one with true free will and control, the creator, the producer, the manifestor.

You will never, ever go wrong if you aim your prayers to the Ultimate, the Greatest. How can you? Whatever is infinite and all encompassing, and truly greatest will certainly hear, and be able to give you good too and protect you from bad as well.

Don't get caught up with other stupidity, or Biblical misinterpretations, or Gnostic time waisting absurdities or calling Satan God or Lucifer God or anything like that.

Yes, God is the true "light bearer" but the term Lucifer was used for the morning star, Venus, and God is also the bearer of darkness, and the Lord of evil (which means harm).

There is only One. Satan is any enemy, and one particularly ambitious enemy who can simply be identified by bad advice. Anyone who gives you bad advice, is not your friend. It isn't hard to identify your enemies, they are the ones who don't care about you, who want you to drink alcohol, to harm your body, to tell you to smoke cigarettes and stuff. That is your enemy, and an obvious one.

So that is my little speech for you today.

Pay attention to words. Pay attention to linguistic accuracy and logical laws and things. Aim for the absolute Greatest and you'll never go wrong. Keep it simple, and you'll hopefully win.

EXPLAINING GOD THROUGH REASON
UPDATED! ONLY LOGICAL NECESSITY

http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php...pid9676287
THE EASY RELIGION
http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=59014
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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
Try to get your hands on this book. It is out of print.

http://www.amazon.ca/Christ-Eternal-Tao-...0938635859
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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
BadMoon  Wrote: (06-20-2011 10:12 PM)
Whatever created the universe is probably so far beyond needing gratitude, or worship, or even acknowledgment.
It doesn't need gratitude and worship. Do you think it is beyond appreciating the requests and gratitude of people?

Did you know that in infinity, that which is extremely small, can also be extremely big?

That means, on every level, however tiny, it is managing every aspect of existence and animation.

It isn't that it can't see humans at every size, at every level, close and far.

Do you think that it is so "beyond" that it can't comprehend the emotions that it created for people? It certainly needs nothing, it is we who need it always, do you think it doesn't know that? Gestures of worship and appreciation are for our benefit. Nothing can benefit it, though it shouldn't be "beyond" acknowledging and appreciating the concerns of even an amoeba or anything smaller.

Science has shown the Universe began and was not always as it is now. Check out the Big Bang theory and the expansion of the finite universe.

I don't think humans are the literal children of God. Such an analogy doesn't do justice to the unique ability called "creation" which is not accurately represented by sexual intercourse.

You think every "reason" has to pertain to you?

Yeah, the species were claiming to be representatives of the God. They described the God I speak of. That God can not be "comprehended" because it doesn't have a form or image, but it certainly can be understood.

What do you think could possibly change in your existence that would allow you to comprehend what is infinite and invisible, animating everything, everywhere?

The concept of God can be understood logically. The species didn't claim to create us, they said God did, and described God as I do. They said God created them too.

What traits? Formlessness (lack of limitations) and animation?

By that I mean, though you can't encompass God, you can understand the concept.

It is encompassed (within) God, and since God is infinite and the Universe is finite (we can only see as far as the radiation borders from the big bang) it doesn't even represent a fragment of infinity. Even so, anything that exists is presently being supported by an ultimate that sustains and sustains itself, that is God.

Is nothing moving in your world? I'm pretty sure you are experiencing animation every moment, waking and sleeping.

There is no need to worry about other dimensions, realities, universes, because we're in one right now, and it is all apparent if you think.
Whatever moves everything should be called "God" and nothing else.

That isn't conjecture, fabrication, or a contrivance. It is a statement that says nothing besides that which Ultimately moves and sustains everything should be considered God.

What do you imagine "God" is that it would be something other than that which has all the power?
There are some things that are obvious.

Everything is in motion. That which is supporting their motion and the existence on an Ultimate and unsupported level should be considered God. Anything less than the Ultimate is not God because it is being supported by something greater than itself.

These are logical statements. If anything is less than Ultimate, then it is being supported by something Greater. God should be what is Greatest.

Does your "Dad" control and support the motion of the atoms you are made of?

Is it an opinion to say that "things are in motion, they are animated"?

Right. It is true from our limited perspective that things are not static, but they are animated, changing, and moving in some way, even if this is like watching a tv screen and watching images moving, there is still motion.

So you probably agree that you exist from your perspective, and that things are obviously moving.

It is so wonderful that we've come this far.

Now, I don't care about anyone who claims to be God, or anything that claims this or that is God if it does not fit a specific definition.

We can give God a weak definition, or a strong definition. This does not change the nature of reality, but it is to help us to perhaps better understand things.

We can say "the chair is God" unless we have defined "God" in such a way that the chair can not be God.

Why is the chair not God?

The chair was created, the atoms in the chair are in motion, the chair did not always exist, the existence of the chair is supported by the existence of the world, which is supported by the existence of the Solar System, which is supported by the existence of the Galaxy, which is supported by the existence of the Universe, and so on and so forth until we finally reach "The Ultimate".

The "Ultimate" is what is not supported by anything at all, but supports itself and everything else.

All forms are supported. This much can be derived from our "perspective" and logic. This is why I say that which supports all things, has no form, boundaries, or limitations.

It is the Ultimate Power which is fueling the animation and supporting everything without itself being supported by anything or being fueled by anything but itself.

If it was fueled by something, it would not be Ultimate or self sufficient, it would depend on what is feuling it.

So where it comes down to opinion is this "That which is Ultimate should be called God and anything less than that is unworthy of the title because it is not the Ultimate source of all the power and control".

The part that "there is something Ultimate which ultimately controls and supports everything else" is not an opinion, but is derived from logic, it is a logical conclusion and it must be reached.

Calling it "God" is the opinion part, because you can call it 500kooly if you want, but that doesn't change what it is and what it does. The definition of 500kooly would be the same then, I am calling it God.

Guess who else calls it God? The "aliens" that you suspect may have given revelations to mankind also call it God, and did not call themselves God, but said they too were created and entirely depending on this same Ultimate. They could've claimed to be Gods if they had the power to do so, or to trick us into thinking so, but instead they too made reference to the very same concept of Ultimate that I am talking about, because it is logical, there is no other possibility, the statements are truth.

That is what I'm talking about when I say "thinking". "Thinking" means going through the logical steps and coming to the conclusion that we are being Ultimately supported by something which does not have any support, and is thus Ultimate.

Well I feel terrible. Thanks for enjoying my posts.

You can still try to understand the concept and come to it via logic. If you define God as an impossible concept, then you've already shot yourself in the foot before even starting to think.

Also, I've answered your old post here:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid1288789

The word used is also used for "judges" and does not mean the one most high (Ultimate) God, which Jesus would have called Allaha in Aramaic. Check out the first page of my thread for some Aramaic quotes from Jesus in the New Testament.

You shouldn't consider anything less than Ultimate, God. That is an opinion. You can do whatever you want. That which is Ultimate can hear you and see you. That is because Ultimateness would also include the other things I've defined. Try to establish a personal relationship with it.

It is highly likely you will die, just like everyone else. Will you waste your time having decided that God doesn't care for your appreciation and worship, or will you try to do good in the name of the Ultimate God in order to perhaps win in the afterlife is there is one? You only have this one chance as far as anyone can tell.

If you've defined it as "incomprehensible" in the sense of "impossible to even understand as a concept" then I agree it is worthless, since you've already decided it is not possible.

I'm telling you that it is possible to understand the concept and come to it via logic.

I think the hostility towards worship is the only thing instilled these days, while worship was done out of realization and respect (yeah people showed their respect like how japanese people do, it was around the world and has only fallen out of favor now), and rewards and punishments had to do with relying on a power that could execute justice against those who were cruel.

No creature gains anything by such gestures, they are for us to be able to express our respect and admiration. Only today are the messages repeated over and over that such gestures are wrong and unethical or whatever. Whoever teaches people that only wants to puff up people with arrogance.

Reward and punishment is a bad thing? What are you imagining? That the good will be punished and the bad rewarded? It is a great hope that has existed from the earliest times that we are being witnessed in order to have justice executed, that the victims won't be abandoned, and the people who harm will get what they deserve.

You don't believe what created everything can do that? You don't believe it cares because you might not care? Then we're seriously doomed, and working on such a philosophy (of a pointless existence) is not only a waste of time, but will gain a person nothing at all. Because if you're wrong, you didn't do anything to prepare for an afterlife but doubt. It comes faster than one might expect. Religion is self defense.

You are cast into life.

Your options are: Seek harm for yourself, seek benefit for yourself, or seek neither harm, nor benefit.

Your activities derive responses. Some activities harm either immediately or later. Some activities benefit either immediately or later. Some activities have mixed harm and benefit, with either harm or benefit requiring one to weigh their options.

Now that you have these options. Will you worry about how "mercenary" something sounds and seek harm rather than benefit? Will you not seek benefit, and instead do nothing? You are left with only one reasonable option, and that is to seek benefit.

It doesn't matter how it sounds, it is basically using your mind.

That which harms is unpleasant and not good for you.
That which benefits is pleasant and good for you.
That which neither harms nor benefits you does nothing at all.

Why would this be a difficult decision to make? Why would you concern yourself with how it sounds. It is obvious.

Here are three buttons. One burns your hand when you touch it. One soothes your hand when you touch it. The third button doesn't harm or sooth, nor does it do anything at all, rendering it arbitrary to touch it.

Now would a genius continuously touch the button that burns their hand?
Now would a genius continuously touch the button that does nothing?
Would an intelligent person choose the button that does something and does something beneficial to them?

Here is another example:

There are 3 drinks. One drink kills your cells and harms your body, it is a poison. One drink does nothing to your body and does not even quench your thirst, it is as if you drank nothing, and One drink quenches your thirst and is beneficial for your health.

Will you drink the poison? Will you drink the one that doesn't quench or satisfy but is as if it is empty? Or will you drink the drink that quenches your thirst and is beneficial for your health?

You can call the person who chooses what benefits a "mercenary", but who are you helping by calling such a person a mercenary? Would you rather they drink the poison? Would you rather they drink from that which doesn't quench their thirst?

Why do people worry about the aesthetics before the logic?

Some say that God is like a man with a body, was a man who gained Godhood, had parents, there is an infinite regression of Gods, that God followed a pre existing system of laws that was before God in order to become God, that humans are spirits who have been given bodies, and are also like God and can become Gods like God.

That matter existed before God and is truly eternal (having always existed). God seems to procreate from mating with his wife. That there are three literal seperate individuals who are all Gods working together, these are The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit.

That the blood coming out of Jesus is what forgives sins. That God is within the Universe, that God gives total free will called agency, and that God is not omnipresent and is not present with us now literally. Basically, to me, it is like saying "there is no God but Man".

I consider these some of the most blasphemous beliefs and the most contrary to the ancient religions and beliefs of the world.

Many mainstream Christian factions are picking up similar ideas these days, maybe even some Jewish.

It is a deep insult to the truly advanced ancient concepts of God, and seems to specifically pick on each point and quality of God and go against it.

The real God is:

Omnipotent (Having absolutely all power over everything, and the only power)
Omnipresent (Being absolutely everywhere always, and is the only thing everywhere)
Omniscient (Having absolutely all information, knowledge, memory, in every way, always)
Infinite (Without limitations, completely without boundaries, without center, unending)
Eternal (Existing before time, unrestricted by time, unaging, undying, everlasting, unchanging)
Always was God (There was nothing before God, God always existed)
Has no wife (God has no consort or wife, and requires no partner in creation, nor procreates)
Has no children (God is not a creation that mates and has children)
Has no body (God is without any restrictions, limitations, center, or base)
Is not in a form (God is without any boundaries or shape)
All exists within God (Nothing exists without God or the support of God, everything is within)
Nothing exists without God (Everything depends on God constantly, only God is self-sufficient)
God supports all reality and sustains it (Every motion is supported and powered by God)
God is the base of all reality and existence (Behind everything is God giving it a place to exist)
God animates every event and action (Everything is animated and controlled by God)
God requires no blood spilled to forgive anyone (God has all the power to punish or forgive)
God is not like a human (God is not like a human being, a human can not compare to God)
Man is not in the literal image of God (God has no form or limitations like a human or anything)
God has no image (God can not be contained or represented in any image)
All images are made by God (God supports the existence of all that is seen)
All possibilities are made by God (even a thought must be created as a possible thought)
God is a true creator, requiring nothing to create (A true creator manifests from nothing)
God does not require pre existing materials to do anything (God does not need anything)
All matter was created by God from nothing (Before matter, there was God, and God created it)
God has always existed (Before time, there was God, and God created everything)
Nothing was before God (God is what always was, God is what always is, there is only God)
God can create matter (God can create matter from nothing at all, requiring nothing to create)
God can destroy matter (God can destroy anything at all, and is not bound by any restrictions)
God is not a soul in a body (God is unique, not a soul like our souls, nor like anything but God)
There are no human ghosts (Humans do not have ghosts, and there is no such thing)
"Ghosts/Spirits" are their own race of beings that are not human nor are gods
"Ghosts/Spirits" have no power, neither do humans, all depend on God alone
There are no three individual Gods or multitude of Gods. (No one shares in Gods power)
There is only one God, with all the attributes of God, all the power, and all the knowledge.


I worship the first and only God, the one that existed before time, that created the laws and can change them, that has no parents or origination but always existed. I worship the God that is not a man, nor in any form, but supports the existence of all forms and animates all aspects of reality inside and out. If there is some formed being within any reality, in any universe, it is the One God that supports that beings existence, supports their form, supports their experience, animates their movement, animates everything around them, supports the very fabric of reality and the universe. The true and only God, the God of the ancient peoples of the world, the God worshipped from Africa (Amun) to China (Shangdi), India (Brahman) to Finland (Jamala). The God of the whole world, the God of the whole universe, the God of all worlds, the God of all universes. The Ultimate God, the God of which there is no greater, the hypsistos (highest/greatest).

What is safer than to worship only the Ultimate? The true creator, the one that actually created matter and reality and all the laws both religious and physical.

The following are quotes I collected from the Bible, to prove that God is One according to the Bible (as well as other scriptures), God has no body and is everywhere, There is no savior but God alone, there are no Gods other than God (None besides God), that God created everything from nothing (nothing existed infinitely alongside God).


"O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20

"You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22

"there is no one like God, our God." Exodus 8:10

"God (alone), He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35

"God (alone), He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39

"See now that I, I am He (God), And there is no god besides Me (God)" Deuteronomy 32:39

"Hear, O Israel! God (alone) is our God, God (alone) is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4

"For who is God, besides God (alone)? And who is a rock (stability), besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32

"God (alone) is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60

"You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15

"You alone [bad] are God." Nehemiah 9:6

"For who is God, but God (alone)? And who is a rock (stability), except our God" Psalm 18:31

"You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20

"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10

"‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6

"Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock (Stability)? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8

"I am God, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5

"Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14

"I am God, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18

"Is it not I, God? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21

"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9

"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one [hen] and love the other, or he will be devoted to one [hen] and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24 (Or God and Jesus, or God and anything else)

"But do not be called Rabbi; for One [hen] is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." Matthew 23:8

""The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; " Mark 12:29

"you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3

"since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30

"to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27

"there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4

"Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20

"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17

"which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or CAN see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16

"You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19


Isaiah 45:18-22 -

"For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else? (Isaiah 45: 21-22)

(Mother says to son)"My son, have pity on me; I carried you nine months in the womb and suckled you three years.... I implore you, my child, observe heaven and earth, consider all that is in them, and acknowledge that God made them out of what did not exist, and that mankind comes into being in the same way. Do not fear this executioner, but prove yourself worthy of your brothers, and make death welcome, so that in the day of mercy I may receive you back in your brothers' company."
2 Maccabees 7:27-29

There is none else.
Bible
I Kings 8:60


Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.
Bible
Matt. 4:10

There is none beside Thee.
Bible
I Sam. 2:2

Thou art the God, even Thou alone.
Bible
II Kings 19:15

Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.
Bible
Matt. 4:10

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.
Bible
Deut. 6:4

God is one.
Bible
Gal. 3:20

God is great.
Bible
Job 36:26


I am the Lord, I change not.
Bible
Mal. 3:6

I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy redeemer.
Bible
Isa. 60:16

The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these. ”
—Isaiah 45:7, NASB

Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."
Deuteronomy 31:6

The LORD gave this command to Joshua son of Nun: "Be strong and courageous, for you will bring the Israelites into the land I promised them on oath, and I myself will be with you."
Deuteronomy 31:23

Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go."
Joshua 1:9

“Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.”
Mark 10:17-18

“If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19

Isaiah 43:11
11 I, I am the LORD,
and there is no other Savior but Me. (A)

Isaiah 45:21-22
21 Speak up and present [your case] (A) [a] —
yes, let them take counsel together.
Who predicted this long ago?
Who announced it from ancient times?
Was it not I, the LORD?
There is no other God but Me,
a righteous God and Savior; (B)
there is no one except Me. ©

22 Turn to Me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth.
For I am God,
and there is no other.

Deuteronomy 4:35
35 You were shown [these things] so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him. (A)

Mark 12:32
32 Then the scribe said to Him, "You are right, Teacher! You have correctly said that He is One, and there is no one (A) else except Him. (B)

1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24)

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39)

But who is able to build Him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Him?... (2 Chronicles 2:6)


Athenagoras
"I have sufficiently demonstrated that we are not atheists, since we acknowledge one God, unbegotten, eternal, invisible, incapable of being acted upon, incomprehensible, unbounded, who is known only by understanding and reason, who is encompassed by light and beauty and spirit and indescribable power, by whom all things, through his Word, have been produced and set in order and are kept in existence" (Plea for the Christians 10 [A.D. 177]).

Clement of Alexandria
"Being is in God. God is divine being, eternal and without beginning, incorporeal and illimitable, and the cause of what exists. Being is that which wholly subsists. Nature is the truth of things, or the inner reality of them. According to others, it is the production of what has come to existence; and according to others, again, it is the providence of God, causing the being, and the manner of being, in the things which are produced" (ibid.).

"What is God? ‘God,’ as the Lord says, ‘is a spirit.’ Now spirit is properly substance, incorporeal, and uncircumscribed. And that is incorporeal which does not consist of a body, or whose existence is not according to breadth, length, and depth. And that is uncircumscribed which has no place, which is wholly in all, and in each entire, and the same in itself" (ibid.).

"No one can rightly express him wholly. For on account of his greatness he is ranked as the All, and is the Originator of the universe. Nor are any parts to be predicated of him. For the One is indivisible; wherefore also it is infinite, not considered with reference to inscrutability, but with reference to its being without dimensions, and not having a limit. And therefore it is without form" (Miscellanies 5:12 [A.D. 208]).

"God is Incorporeal
Although many places in scripture and Talmud speak of various parts of God's body (the Hand of God, God's wings, etc.) or speak of God in anthropomorphic terms (God walking in the garden of Eden, God laying tefillin, etc.), Judaism firmly maintains that God has no body. Any reference to God's body is simply a figure of speech, a means of making God's actions more comprehensible to beings living in a material world. Much of Maimonides' Guide for the Perplexed is devoted to explaining each of these anthropomorphic references and proving that they should be understood figuratively.

We are forbidden to represent God in a physical form. That is considered idolatry. The sin of the Golden Calf incident was not that the people chose another deity, but that they tried to represent God in a physical form.

"
God is Neither Male nor Female
This followed directly from the idea that God has no physical form. God has, of course, no body; therefore, the very idea that God is male or female is patently absurd. We refer to God using masculine terms simply for convenience's sake, because Hebrew has no neutral gender; God is no more male than a table is.

Although we usually speak of God in masculine terms, there are times when we refer to God using feminine terms. The Shechinah, the manifestation of God's presence that fills the universe, is conceived of in feminine terms, and the word Shechinah is a feminine word.
"

"God is Omnipresent
God is in all places at all times. He fills the universe and exceeds its scope. He is always near for us to call upon in need, and He sees all that we do. Closely tied in with this idea is the idea that God is universal. He is not just the God of the Jews; He is the God of all nations.

"In the Image of God
The Bible states that humanity was created in the image of God, but what does it mean to be created in the image of God?

Clearly, we are not created in the physical image of God, because Judaism steadfastly maintains that God is incorporeal and has no physical appearance. Maimonides points out that the Hebrew words translated as "image" and "likeness" in Genesis 1,27 do not refer to the physical form of a thing. The word for "image" in Genesis 1,27 is "tzelem", which refers to the nature or essence of a thing, as in Psalms 73,20, "you will despise their image (tzel'mam)". You despise a person's nature and not a person's physical appearance. The word for physical form, Maimonides explains, is "to'ar", as in Genesis 39,6, "and Joseph was beautiful of form (to'ar) and fair to look upon". Similarly, the word used for "likeness" is "demut", which is used to indicate a simile, not identity of form. For example, "He is like (dimyono) a lion" in Psalms 17,12 refers not to similar appearance, but to similar nature.

"

"I am the L-rd, and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I am the L-rd, that does all these things." (Is. 45:6-7).

"I beseech thee, my son, look upon the heaven and the earth, and all that is therein, and consider that God made them of things that were not; and so was mankind made likewise." (2 Maccabees 7:28, KJV)

"Church Fathers opposed notions appearing in pre-Christian creation myths and in Gnosticism - notions of creation by a demiurge out of a primordial state of matter (known in religious studies as chaos after the Greek term used by Hesiod in his Theogony).[5]"

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
John 1:3

"... even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were."
Romans 4:17

"And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are"
1 Corinthians 1:28

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
Hebrews 11:3

Colossians 1:16
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

"Idolatry is the worship of a physical object as a god"

"In a number of places, the Hebrew Bible makes clear that God has no shape or form, and is utterly incomparable; thus no idol, image, idea, or anything comparable to creation could ever capture God's essence. For example, when the Israelites are visited by God in Deut. 4:15, they see no shape or form. Many verses in the Bible use anthropomorphisms to describe God, (e.g. God's mighty hand, God's finger, etc.) but these verses have always been understood as poetic images rather than literal descriptions. This is reflected in Hosea 12:10 which says, “And I have spoken unto the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and by the hand of the prophets I use similes.

a. Omnipotence: The first attribute of God that describes His capabilities is His omnipotence. This attribute means that God is all?powerful. John wrote of this, ?And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth? (Revelation 19:6). Of this attribute, Moses wrote, ?Is any thing too hard for the Lord?? (Genesis 18:14a). Of God?s might, the angel Gabriel proclaimed ?For with God nothing shall be impossible? (Luke 1:37). God is omnipotent; He is all?powerful!

b. Omniscience: The second attribute of God that describes His capabilities is His omniscience. This means that God is all? knowing. John wrote of this, ?For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things? (1st John 3:20). Concerning the omniscience of God, Paul wrote, ?Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world?(Acts 15:18). God is omniscience; He is all?knowing.

c. Omnipresence: The third attribute that describes the capabilities of God is His omnipresence. This attribute means God is everywhere. Of His omnipresence, the Psalmist wrote, ?Whither shall I go from thy spirit?

EXPLAINING GOD THROUGH REASON
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THE EASY RELIGION
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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
Yeah, Islam with all the nasty bits edited out....Anon

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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
Nolo  Wrote: (05-10-2011 01:29 AM)
Yeah, Islam with all the nasty bits edited out....Anon

Thanks for your comment. Are there any other religions you think it could be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_l3wmMSJcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNxLF0ILF...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Uyg0qHh...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLFeldPG...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBp63YNun...r_embedded

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-26-2011 12:42 PM)
One religion?
I'm not so sure, there are many at present, and I believe they may become one when God decides it is time, but for now I think it is all God's plan to have so much variety.

One religion is a reference to the system of worshipping the One God. Religions aren't as diverse as they may seem, and the diversity or disputes seem to come from a lack of knowledge on the part of participants rather than any major contradictions in the messages of the scriptures.

Though I believe in the monotheism presented by the Vedas, and the monotheism presented in the Torah, I'd probably not be considered a Hindu or a Jew. Hindus and Jews worshipped the same way in ancient times, and both were (and still are) generally monotheistic. Hinduism covers a multitude of religions that are each monotheistic. Some prefer calling God Vishnu, others Shiva, and others Brahman.

The idea of the "One Religion" is that God sent the message of monotheism around the world. This is evident through the shared beliefs and methods of worship throughout the world without having any linguistic or cultural connections with each other.

So I believe there is essentially One religion, that religion is Submission to the One God, it was given to people around the world throughout human history, and there are many still practicing it.

I've moved most information to page 1, so you wouldn't need to read the whole thread to get the information provided throughout the thread, but even just page 1 over time.

In the initial article, I use quotes from the Torah, the New Testament, The Vedas, and the Qur'an. Later, I provide attributes of God from Islam, from Zoroastrianism, Shaivism, and Vishnaivism.

I make references to a large number of religions, often mentioning the worship of Shangdi, and the worship of Amun in Ancient Egypt.

I also mention the Hypsistarians who worshipped the One God as the Hypsistos.

The One Religion spans all these various religions and languages, because the One Religion is Submission to the One God, which is what all these religions were about.

There is One modern religion that I like to prefer promoting over the others, since it is considered some of the most clear and strict monotheism in the world, has a very clear book, and the form of worship is the same as the ancients.

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-26-2011 01:26 PM)
Ahaa, I think maybe Islam is closest!

(I will read the first few pages, don't worry)

I end my practise with the kneeling posture Muslims use, and in my submission to God, I am a Muslim.

Allahu Akbar!
Truly.

Islam means submission, but has the root slm meaning peace. The complete meaning could be "Finding Peace/Security through Submission to the One God". A muslim would be "One who finds Peace/Security through Submission to the One God".

The term is very old, and the concept within the root word slm was an important part of the language and culture of most those speaking "semitic" languages. The greeting of the Akkadians for example was the same as the Arameans, or even the same as the greeting of Jesus as depicted in the New Testament: "Peace be with you".

In the New Testament, Jesus is depicted worshipping in the traditional fashion that some Jews and all Muslims still use today, prostration. This was not exclusive to the region, but existed as the primary gesture representing total devotion and submission throughout the entire world, from Africa to Asia, Europe to the Americas. I think that it is beyond chance that this way of worship and the concepts that come with it, were so thoroughly spread across the world without any contact between the various cultures at great distances. I believe the One God provided the same messages to all people, and that they were all guided to perform religion the same way.

I showed verses in Aramaic, the language supposed to have been spoken by Jesus, to show that the term Allah is used in Aramaic as well, which is extremely similar to Arabic, which is the language used by the Qur'an. Allah is one of the oldest known words for The God, and was used throughout all the regions where similar languages were spoken. It is transliterated differently these days, possibly due to shyness on the part of translators, so they say "Eloah" for the Hebrew version, or "Ellah" for the Aramaic at times, while all are pronounced the same and spelled with the same letters and root. It is pronounced "Ullah" or "Ullaw" like the word hull and law.

The gestures of worship were the same throughout the world, they consisted of standing, standing with arms fastened (there are sumerian statues depicting this as well, and Chinese depictions also), bowing low, kneeling, and prostrating with hands and forehead on the ground. In the process of doing these postures, praise of the One God were made. Before approaching worship, the purification rituals were the same around the world as well, consisting generally of washing the head, arms up to elbows, and feet up to ankles. This was done in Ancient Egypt, India, China, Japan, and throughout the world, even Greece and Rome. If one was otherwise unclean, they would completely bathe their bodies.

The worship was performed throughout the day, to cleanliness throughout the day was also important. That is why baths were so important in cultures like the Indus Valley culture, Rome, and in Egyptian homes, as well as in China. The Emperor of China even worshipped Shangdi, the word meaning Above Sovereign, Ultimate God.

I wanted to mention that there was more than just kneeling performed by the ancient people from around the world in their devotional gestures of worship, I have some videos on the first page that show the traditional Jewish and Christian ways of worship.

Feel free to comment on anything you read on the first page at any time, I'd love to know what you think of whats written on that page.

I may not be considered a member of the following religions, but I consider myself a:
Muslim (Worshipping Allah)
Hindu (Worshipping Vishnu, Shiva, Brahman)
Christian (Worshipping Allaha)
Yehudi (Jew) (Worshipping Eloah)
Zoroastrian (Worshipping Ahura Mazda)
Hypsistarian (Worshipping Hypsistos)
Buddhist (Following the Eightfold Path, revering Dharmakaya)

Who follows and believes in a form of:
The Egyptian Religion (Worshipping Amun)
The Sumerian Religion (Worshipping Allah)
The Babylonian Religion (Worshipping Alla)
The Assyrian Religion (Worshipping Ellil)
The Syrian Religion (Worshipping Allaha)
The Akkadian Religion (Worshipping Alalu)
The Hittite Religion (Worshipping Alalus)
The Illyrian Religion (Worshipping Sabazios)
The Scythian Religion (Worshipping Papaios)
The Aryan Religion (Worshipping Dyeus)
The Brahmin Religion (Worshipping Brahman)
The Han Religion (Worshipping Shangdi)
The Japanese Religion (Worshipping Futsu)
The Native Religions of North America (Worshipping Wakan Tanka)
The Native Religions of South America (Worshipping Viracocha)
The Aztec Religion (Worshipping Tezcatlipoca)
The Native Religions of Africa (Worshipping The One God, see African Monotheism)
The Native Polynesian Religions (Worshipping Io Matua Kore)
The Native Aboriginal Religions (Worshipping The One God)
The Celtic Religion (Worshipping Dagda)
The Nordic Religion (Worshipping Odin)
The Germanic Religion (Worshipping Woden)
The Gaulish Religion (Worshipping Dispater)
The Finnish Religion (Worshipping Ylijumala)
The Latvian Religion (Worshipping Dievs)
The Slavic Religion (Worshipping Perun)
The Turkic Religion (Worshipping Tengri)
The Persian Religion (Worshipping Ahura Mazda)
The Phoenician Religion (Worshipping Ela)
The Greek Religion (Worshipping Zeus Hypsistos)
The Etruscan Religion (Worshipping Veltha)
The Roman Religion (Worshipping Jupiter)

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-27-2011 02:21 AM)
Wow, that's quite a few beliefs to hold in one soul Freedom!

And yes, I agree we will need discernment to recognize Him, and I think we develop that continuously, in how we live and how we love, and
ultimately it is a gift.

It really isn't difficult to fall under all those beliefs, because they are all just epithets of the One God from around the world. The worship was done the same, the qualities were the same. The stories are even generally the same up to a point covering most of the things mentioned in the Torah and the Qur'an, such as the creation of the Universe, the creation of the Earth, the creation of mankind, the activities of the adversary, the flood.

I think you might have decided that I'm a muslim, which I would agree with completely, but I wanted to reinforce also that the term "muslim" encompasses all devotees of the One God who surrender and worship God alone. It can encompass numerous languages and varieties of epithets for the One God. That is because the term muslim simply means one who surrender/submits to the One God, and the only "religion" ultimately is submission to God. All the religions were that. Could what was not submission to God be called a religion?

So the term "muslim" is an honorary term, for anyone who hopes to submit to the One God. The religion of "Islam" which means submission to God, is Universal, and not exclusive to arab people or anything like that.

The word "Catholic" means "Universal", "according to (kata-) the whole (holos),"

So I follow the Catholic religion, the religion that is Universal, according to the whole.

I'm a muslim, one who is submitting to God. The term is a verb, an action.

A Muslim Catholic? How can it be? When people understand the meanings of words, many things might open up. Then one realizes that despite the languages involved, the One God was being spoken of around the world.

How is it that I am a Christian? I consider myself a follower of Jesus the Christ. Christ means annointed one, this is the Greek translation of the term Messiah. The annointing is a reference to Kingship and Prophethood, like King David. I believe Jesus is the Messiah. I believe God is the only savior. Messiah doesn't mean God or Savior, but it means annointed one.

How is it that I am a Yehudi (Jew) without being a member of the tribe of Judah?

Yehuda is said to mean "One who praises the Lord God Almighty"

A Muslim, Catholic, Yehuda?! How can it be? That is one who submits to the God of all people (The Universal Religion) and praises the Lord God Almighty. Is it possible? I think so!

How about Aryan? The term means noble, and the root refers to having morals and noble intentions.

A Muslim who is a Catholic who is a Yehuda who is an Aryan? Wow! One who submits to God willingly, follows the Universal religion of all people, Praises the Lord God Almighty, and is of strong morals and noble intentions? Possible?!

Here are some titles of the One God:

Ar-Rahman 1 The All-Compassionate
Ar-Rahim 2 The All-Merciful
Al-Malik 3 The Absolute Ruler
Al-Quddus 4 The Pure One
As-Salam 5 The Source of Peace
Al-Mu'min 6 The Inspirer of Faith
Al-Muhaymin 7 The Guardian
Al-'Aziz 8 The Victorious
Al-Jabbar 9 The Compeller
Al-Mutakabbir 10 The Greatest
Al-Khaliq 11 The Creator
Al-Bari' 12 The Maker of Order
Al-Musawwir 13 The Shaper of Beauty
Al-Ghaffar 14 The Forgiving
Al-Qahhar 15 The Subduer
Al-Wahhab 16 The Giver of All
Ar-Razzaq 17 The Sustainer
Al-Fattah 18 The Opener
Al-'Alim 19 The Knower of All
Al-Qabid 20 The Constrictor
Al-Basit 21 The Reliever
Al-Khafid 22 The Abaser
Ar-Rafi' 23 The Exalter
Al-Mu'izz 24 The Bestower of Honors
Al-Mudhill 25 The Humiliator
As-Sami 26 The Hearer of All
Al-Basir 27 The Seer of All
Al-Hakam 28 The Judge
Al-'Adl 29 The Just
Al-Latif 30 The Subtle One
Al-Khabir 31 The All-Aware
Al-Halim 32 The Forebearing
Al-'Azim 33 The Magnificent
Al-Ghafur 34 The Forgiver and Hider of Faults
Ash-Shakur 35 The Rewarder of Thankfulness
Al-'Ali 36 The Highest
Al-Kabir 37 The Greatest
Al-Hafiz 38 The Preserver
Al-Muqit 39 The Nourisher
Al-Hasib 40 The Accounter
Al-Jalil 41 The Mighty
Al-Karim 42 The Generous
Ar-Raqib 43 The Watchful One
Al-Mujib 44 The Responder to Prayer
Al-Wasi' 45 The All-Comprehending
Al-Hakim 46 The Perfectly Wise
Al-Wadud 47 The Loving One
Al-Majíd 48 The Majestic One
Al-Ba'ith 49 The Resurrector
Ash-Shahid 50 The Witness
Al-h Haqq 51 The Truth
Al-Wakil 52 The Trustee
Al-Qawi 53 The Possessor of All Strength
Al-Matin 54 The Forceful One
Al-Wáli 55 The Governor
Al-Hamid 56 The Praised One
Al-Muhsi 57 The Appraiser
Al-Mubdi 58 The Originator
Al-Mu'id 59 The Restorer
Al-Muhyi 60 The Giver of Life
Al-Mumit 61 The Taker of Life
Al-Hayy 62 The Ever Living One
Al-Qayyum 63 The Self-Existing One
Al-Wajid 64 The Finder
Al-Májid 65 The Glorious
Al-Wahid 66 The Only One
Al-Ahad 67 The One
As-Samad 68 The Satisfier of All Needs
Al-Qadir 69 The All Powerful
Al-Muqtadir 70 The Creator of All Power
Al-Muqaddim 71 The Expediter
Al-Mu'akhkhir 72 The Delayer
Al-Awwal 73 The First
Al-Akhir 74 The Last
Az-Zahir 75 The Manifest One
Al-Batin 76 The Hidden One
Al-Walí 77 The Protecting Friend
Al-Muta'ali 78 The Supreme One
Al-Barr 79 The Doer of Good
At-Tawwib 80 The Guide to Repentance
Al-Muntaqim 81 The Avenger
Al-Afu 82 The Forgiver
Ar-Ra'uf 83 The Clement
Malik al-Mulk 84 The Owner of All
Dhul-Jalali
Wal-Ikram 85 The Lord of Majesty and Bounty
Al-Muqsit 86 The Equitable One
Al-Jami 87 The Gatherer
Al-Ghani 88 The Rich One
Al-Mughni 89 The Enricher
Al-Mani' 90 The Preventer of Harm
Ad-Darr 91 The Creator of The Harmful
An-Nafi 92 The Creator of Good
An-Nur 93 The Light
Al-Hadi 94 The Guide
Al-Badi 95 The Originator
Al-Baqi 96 The Everlasting One
Al-Warith 97 The Inheritor of All
Ar-Rashid 98 The Righteous Teacher
As-Sabur 99 The Patient One

From Zoroastrianism:

Ahura Mazda means "Wise Lord" these are some of the attributes of God in Zoroastrianism

1.Yazad: "Yaz" meaning worthy of being attuned; Praiseworthy
2.Harvesp-Tavaan: Almighty (Harvesp means all, absolute, entirely, every)
3.Harvesp-Aagaah: All-Knowing
4.Harvesp-Khudaa: Lord of All (Khudaa is still how people say God)
5.Abadah: Without Beginning
6.Abee-Anjaam: Without End
7.Bune-Steeh: Root of Creation
8.Fraakhtan-Teh: The End of All
9.Jamaga: Ancient Cause
10.Parajtarah: More Noble
11.Tum-Afeek: Most Open (Innocent)
12.Abarvand: Separate from All
13.Parvandaah: Connected with All
14.An-Aiyaafah: Unreachable by anyone
15.Ham-Aiyaafah: Who Can Reach All
16.Aadaro: Most straightforward; Truest of All
17.Geeraa: Who Holds Everyone
18.A-Chem: Without Cause (Does not need a reason for existence)
19.Chamanaa: Reason of All Reasons
20.Safanaa: Creator of Progress
21.Afjaa: Creator of Growth
22.Naashaa: Who Reaches Everyone Equally
23.Parvaraa: Provider
24.Eeyaanah: Protector of Creation
25.Aaeen-Aaenah: Not Different
26.An-Aaeenah: Without Shape
27.Khrosheed-Tum: Most Determined
28.Meeno-Tum: Most Invisible
29.Vaasnaa: Omnipresent
30.Harvastum: Most Complete
31.Hu-Sepaas: Worthy of Thanksgiving
32.Har-Hameed: Completely Good Natured
33.Har-Nek-Fareh: Completely Good Noble Aura
34.Besh-Tarnaa: Remover of Suffering
35.Taroneesh: Mysterious
36.An-Aoshak: Immortal
37.Farsak: Grantor of Wishes
38.Pajoh-Dahad: Creator of Noble Nature
39.Khvaafar: Generous with Justice
40.Afakhsheeaaeaa: Grantor of Generosity
41.Abarjaa: Most Abundant Provider
42.A-Satoh: Who Does Not Get Angry
43.Rakhoh: Independent; Without Worry
44.Varoon: Protector from Evil
45.A-Farefah: Who Does Not Deceive
46.Be-Farefah: Who Cannot Be Deceived
47.A-Duee: Not two ("A" means not and duee means two)
48.Kaame-Rad: Lord of Wishes
49.Farmaan-Kaam: Wish Is His Command
50.Aokh-Tan: Without Body
51.A-Faremosh: Who Does Not Forget
52.Hamaarnaa: Keeper of Accounts
53.Sanaaeaa: Worthy of Knowing; All Knowing
54.A-Tars: Fearless
55.A-Beesh: Without Suffering
56.Afraajdum: Most High
57.Ham-Chun: Always the Same
58.Meeno-Steeh-Gar: Creator of the Universe Invisibly
59.A-Meenogar: Creator of the Unseen/Invisible things
60.Meeno-Nahab: Hidden in Invisibility

61.Aadar-Baad-Gar: Who Changes Fire Into Air
62.Aadar-Nam-Gar: Who Changes Fire Into Water
63.Baad-Aadar-Gar: Who Changes Air Into Fire
64.Baad-Nam-Gar: Who Changes Air Into Water
65.Baad-Gel-Gar: Who Changes Air Into Dust
66.Baad-Gerd-Tum: Who Changes Air Into Wind
67.Aadar-Keebreet-Tum: Who Changes Fire Into Jewels
68.Baad-Garjaae: Who Creates Air In All Places
69.Aab-Tum: Creator of Much Water
70.Gel-Aadar-Gar: Who Changes Dust Into Fire
71.Gel-Vaad-Gar: Who Changes Dust Into Air
72.Gel-Nam-Gar: Who Changes Dust Into Water
73.Gar-Gar: Creator of Powers
74.Gar-O-Gar: (Fulfiller of Wishes) *
75.Gar-Aa-Gar: (Creator of Mankind) *
76.Gar-Aa-Gar-Gar: (Creator of All Things) *
77.A-Gar-Aa-Gar: (Creator of Elements) *
78.A-Gar-Aa-Gar-Gar: (Creator of Stars) *

79.A-Gumaan: Without Doubt
80.A-Jamaan: Timeless
81.A-Khuaan: Sleepless
82.Aamasht: Always Alert
83.Fashutanaa: Always Guarding & Vigilant (Creator of Progress)
84.Padmaanee: Keeper of Limits
85.Feerozgar: Victorious
86.Khudaavand: God (Khuda) of Creation
87.Ahur-Mazd: Wise Lord
88.Abreen-Kohun-Tavaan: Most Capable of Preserving Originality of Creations
89.Abreen-No-Tavaan: Most Capable of Creating New Creations
90.Vaspaan: Who Can Reach All Creations
91.Vaspaar: Who Can Provide Everything
92.Khaavar: Generous
93.Ahu: Lord of Existence
94.Avakhseedaar: Forgiver
95.Daadaar: Creator of Justice
96.Rayomand: Full of Brightness
97.Khorehomand: Full of Aura, Light (Knowledge, Enlightenment, Brightness)
98.Daavar: Giver of True Justice
99.Kerfegar: Lord of Good Works
100.Bokhtaar: Giver of Progress
101.Frash-Gar: The one who freshens and refreshes (makes fresh, ressurects)


The following are some names of Shiva which is a title of God said to mean "Purest" or considered the "Auspicious One":
1 Aashutosh: One Who Fulfills Wishes Instantly
2 Aja: Unborn
3 Akshayaguna: God With Limitless Attributes
4 Anagha: Without Any Fault
5 Anantadrishti: Of Infinite Vision
6 Augadh: One Who Revels All The Time
7 Avyayaprabhu: Imperishable Lord
8 Bhairav: Lord Of Terror
9 Bhalanetra: One Who Has Sees what is in the mind
10 Bholenath: Kind Hearted Lord
11 Bhooteshwara: Lord Of Ghosts And Evil Beings
12 Bhudeva: Lord Of The Earth
13 Bhutapala: Protector Of The Ghosts
14 Chandrapal: Master Of The Moon
15 Chandraprakash: One Who Has Moon As A Crest
16 Dayalu: Compassionate
17 Devadeva: Lord Of The Lords
18 Dhanadeepa: Lord Of Wealth
19 Dhyanadeep: Focal point Of Meditation And Concentration
20 Dhyutidhara: Lord Of Brilliance
21 Digambara: Without Any Needs
22 Durjaneeya: Difficult To Be Known
23 Durjaya: Unvanquished
24 Gangadhara: Lord Of River Ganga

26 Gunagrahin: Creator, Maintainer, Destroyer (the 3 gunas)
27 Gurudeva: Master Of All
28 Hara: Remover Of Sins
29 Jagadisha: Master Of The Universe
30 Jaradhishamana: Redeemer From Afflictions

32 Kailas: One Who Bestows Peace
33 Kailashadhipati: Lord Of Mount Kailash
34 Kailashnath: Master Of Mount Kailash
35 Kamalakshana: Lotus-Eyed Lord
36 Kantha: Ever-Radiant
37 Kapalin: One Who controls death

41 Lingadhyaksha Lord Of The Lingas
42 Lingaraja King Of The Lingas
43 Lokankara: Creator Of The Three Worlds
44 Lokapal: One Who Takes Care Of The World
45 Mahabuddhi: Extremely Intelligent
46 Mahadeva: Greatest God
47 Mahakala: Lord Of All Times
48 Mahamaya: Of Great Illusions
49 Mahamrityunjaya: Overcomer Of Death
50 Mahanidhi: Great Storehouse
51 Mahashaktimaya: One Who Has Boundless Energies
52 Mahayogi: Greatest Of All Connections
53 Mahesha: Supreme Lord
54 Maheshwara: The Greatest Ruler of All

56 Nataraja: King Of The Art Of Dancing

58 Nityasundara: Ever Beautiful

60 Omkara: Creator Of OM
61 Palanhaar: One Who Protects Everyone
62 Parameshwara: First Among All authorities
63 Paramjyoti: Greatest Splendour
64 Pashupati: Lord Of All Living Beings

66 Pranava: Originator Of The Syllable Of OM

68 Priyadarshana: Of Loving Vision
69 Pushkara: One Who Gives Nourishment


72 Rudra: The Terrible

74 Sadashiva: Eternal God
75 Sanatana: Eternal Lord
76 Sarvacharya: Preceptor Of All
77 Sarvashiva: Always Pure
78 Sarvatapana: Scorcher Of Any
79 Sarvayoni: Source Of Everything
80 Sarveshwara: Lord Of All authorities
81 Shambhu: One Who Bestows Prosperity
82 Shankara: One Who Gives Happiness
83 Shiva: Always Pure

86 Shrutiprakasha: Illuminator Of The Vedas
87 Shuddhavigraha: One Who Has A Purest form
88 Skandaguru: Preceptor Of Skanda
89 Someshwara: Lord Of All Powers
90 Sukhada: Bestower Of Happiness
91 Suprita: Well Pleased
92 Suragana: Having Celestials Under Power
93 Sureshwara: Lord Of All Shining Ones

95 Tejaswani: One Who Spreads Illumination

97 Trilokpati: Master Of All The Three Worlds

101 Vachaspati: Lord Of Speech

103 Varada: Granter Of Boons
104 Vedakarta: Originator Of The Vedas
105 Veerabhadra: Supreme Lord Of The Nether World

107 Vishveshwara: Lord Of The Universe





The following are some names of Vishnu which is a title of God refering to God's active all pervasive work through all reality:

Nama 1: vishvam / a) Universe or Cause of Universe b) One who is full in all respects. Om visvaya namah.

2. Vishnu: - a) One who permeates everything, is inside every sentient and non-sentient being. b) One who surrounds everything. Om vishnave namah.

3: vashatkara / One who controls and directs (not merely pervades).
4: bhuta-bhavya-bhavat-prabhu: The Master of all things past, future, and present. Nirukti - trikAla vartinAm seshi - The Lord of all things that exist in the past, present, and future.

5: bhuta-krit / The creator of all beings.

6 : bhuta-bhrt / The supporter of all things. Bhutani bibharti iti bhuta-bhrt - One who supports all. (seems to be further elaborated by namas 8 and 9)

7: bhavah / He who exists with all the splendor. He who exists always, independent of anything else.
8: bhutatma / The AtmA or soul of all beings - sarvesham bhutanam atma

9: bhuta-bhavanah / One who nourishes and nurtures all beings that He created.

10: Putatma / The Pure Self - One who is untainted by the effects of karma - good or bad. Puta Atma yasya sa putatma - One who has the pure Atma is pUtAtmA.

11: paramatma / The Supreme Soul - for whom there is no other guiding or superior soul

12: muktanam parama gatih / One who is the ultimate goal for all muktas or Released or Liberated Souls.

13: avyayah / a) One who does not send back anyone who has reached Him (to the cycle of birth and rebirth .(Sri Bhattar) b) Indestructible (Sri Sankara)

14: purushah / a) One who bestows on the Muktas the enjoyment of the Bliss of Himself in plenty.- puru sanoti iti purushah. b) One who is reclining in this body - puri sete iti purushah. c) One who existed before anything else existed - purA AsIt iti purushah. d) One who completes and fulfills existence everywhere - pUrayati iti purushah

15: sakshi / One who directly witnesses everything .as it is. , The All-Knower, The Omniscient

16:kshetrajnah / One who knows, and can lead, the muktas to the exact place where the muktas will get their sought-after Supreme Bliss.

17: akshara / One whose greatness never diminishes over time in spite of being enjoyed by the miktas constantly. na ksharati iti aksharah .

18. yogah / One Who alone is the definite and unobstructed means to salvation. The word yoga is derived from the word yujyate which means "with whose help the goal is attained".

19. yogavitam neta / One who leads those who practice yoga until they reach their Goal.

20. pradhana purusha Isvarah / One who is the Lord of Primordial Matter as well as the Jivas.

21. narasimha vapuh / One who possesses a body of man and lion combined.

22. sriman / One with a lovely form.

23. kesavah / One with lovely locks of hair.

24. purushottamah / The Supreme amongst the purushas (i.e., individualsouls).

25. sarvah / (sa as in sanatana) One who is all - the cause of creation and destruction of all things.

26. sharvah / (sa as in Shiva) The Remover of all sins.

27. shivah / One who confers auspiciousness. subha avahasca sivah - One who bestows auspiciousness on all.

28. sthanuh / One who is .firm in His benefits and anugraha to the devotees.

29. bhutadih / a) One who is eagerly sought after by all beings. b) The source or cause of all beings. c) The very source of the panca bhutas.

30. nidhiravyayah / The inexhaustible treasure.

31. sambhavah / (Though like a Hidden Treasure), One who manifests Himself at will to those who sincerely seek Him. He manifests Himself at any place and at any time and in any form (e.g., nrsimha, matsya, kurma, etc.).

32. bhavanah / (Having manifested thus), One who regenerates all by dispelling all their evils.

33. bharta / Supporter.

34. prabhavah / One whose birth is of a sublime nature.

35. prabhuh / He who is all powerful.

36. Isvarah / a) One who has the supreme power of control over all beings. b) One who has the ability to do anything without the help of any other beings or things



THE ONE THOUSAND NAMES OF LORD VISHNU TRANSLATIONS AND MEANINGS.
1) vishvam: God who is the ultimate reality, the virat-purusha
2) vishnuh: God who pervades everywhere
3) vashatkaarah: God who is invoked for oblations
4) bhoota-bhavya-bhavat-prabhuh: The Lord of past, present and future
5) bhoota-krit: The creator of all creatures
6) bhoota-bhrit: God who nourishes all creatures
7) bhaavo: God who animates all things
8) bhootaatmaa: The sustainer of the existence of all beings
9) bhoota-bhaavanah: The cause of the growth and birth of all creatures
10) pootaatmaa: God with an extremely pure essence
11) paramaatmaa: The ultimate and ever existing one
12) muktaanaam paramaa gatih: The final goal and liberation
13) avyayah: The one who cant be harmed
14) purushah: God who dwells in the city of nine gates
15) saakshee: The witness
16) kshetrajnah: The knower of the field
17) akshara: Indestructible
18) yogah: The Unified One
19) yoga-vidaam netaa: The one who teaches the path of unification
20) pradhaana-purusheshvarah: Lord of pradhaana and purusha

24) purushottamah: The Supreme Controller
25) sarvah: God who everything is made from
26) sharvas: Auspicious one
27) shivah: The pure
28) sthaanuh: The pillar, the immovable truth
29) bhootaadih: The cause of the five great elements
30) nidhir-avyayah: The imperishable treasure

32) bhaavanah: God who gives everything to his devotees
33) bhartaa: God who governs the entire living world
34) prabhavah: The originator of the five great elements
35) prabhuh: The Almighty Lord
36) eeshvarah: God who can do anything without any help
37) svayambhooh: God who manifests things from nothing.
38) shambhuh: God who brings auspiciousness

42) anaadi-nidhanah: God without origin or end
43) dhaataa: God who supports all fields of experience
44) vidhaataa: The dispenser of fruits of action
45) dhaaturuttamah: The subtlest one
46) aprameyah: God who cannot be perceived
47) hrisheekeshah: The Lord of the senses

49) amaraprabhuh: The Lord of the devas
50) vishvakarmaa: The creator of the universe
51) manuh: God who has manifested as the Vedic mantras
52) tvashtaa: God who makes huge things small
53) sthavishtah: The supremely large
54) sthaviro dhruvah: The ancient one who is an immovable infinite
55) agraahyah: God who is not perceived through direct senses
56) shaashvatah: God who always remains the same

59) pratardanah: The Supreme destroyer
60) prabhootas: Ever-full
61) trikakub-dhaama: The support of the three quarters
62) pavitram: God who gives purity to the heart
63) mangalam param: The Supreme auspiciousness
64) eeshanah: The controller of the five great elements
65) praanadah: God who gives life
66) praano: God who continuously lives
67) jyeshthah: Older than all
68) shreshthah: The most glorious
69) prajaapatih: The Lord of all creatures
70) hiranyagarbhah: God who dwells in the world

74) eeshvarah: The contoller
75) vikramee: God who is full of prowess

77) medhaavee: Supremely intelligent

79) kramah: All-pervading
80) anuttamah: Incomparably great
81) duraadharshah: God who cannot be attacked successfully
82) kritajnah: God who knows all that is
83) kritih: God who rewards all our actions
84) aatmavaan: The animation in all beings
85) sureshah: The Lord of the powers
86) sharanam: The refuge
87) sharma: God who is infinite bliss
88) visva-retaah: The originator of the universe
89) prajaa-bhavah: God from whom all praja comes
90) ahah: God who controls the nature of time
91) samvatsarah: God from whom the concept of time comes

93) pratyayah: God who provides all knowledge
94) sarvadarshanah: All-seeing
95) ajah: Unborn
96) sarveshvarah: Controller of all
97) siddhah: The most famous
98) siddhih: God who gives moksha
99) sarvaadih: The beginning of all
100) achyutah: Infallible
101) vrishaakapih: God who lifts the world to dharma
102) ameyaatmaa: God who manifests infinite varieties
103) sarva-yoga-vinissritah: God who is free from all attachments
104) vasuh: The support of all elements
105) vasumanaah: God whose mind is supremely pure
106) satyah: The truth
107) samaatmaa: God who is the same in all
108) sammitah: God who has been accepted by authorities
109) samah: Equalizer
110) amoghah: Ever useful
111) pundareekaakshah: God who dwells in the heart
112) vrishakarmaa: God whose every act is righteous
113) vrishaakritih: The form of dharma
114) rudrah: God who makes all people weep, The terrifier

116) babhrur: God who rules over all the worlds
117) vishvayonih: The originator and holder of the universe
118) shuchi-shravaah: God who has beautiful, sacred names

119) amritah: Immortal
120) shaashvatah-sthaanur: Permanent and immovable
121) varaaroho: The most glorious destination
122) mahaatapaah: God of great tapas
123) sarvagah: All-pervading
124) sarvavid-bhaanuh: All-knowing and effulgent
125) vishvaksenah: God against whom no army can stand against
126) janaardanah: God who gives joy to good people

128) vedavid: The knower of the Vedas
129) avyangah: Without imperfections

132) kavih: The seer
133) lokaadhyakshah: God who presides over all lokas
134) suraadhyaksho: God who presides over all devas
135) dharmaadhyakshah: God who presides over dharma

141) bhraajishnur: Self-effulgent consciousness
142) bhojanam: God who is the sense-objects
143) bhoktaa: The enjoyer
144) sahishnuh: God who can wait patiently

146) anaghah: Sinless
147) vijayah: Victorious
148) jetaa: Ever-successful

154) amoghah: God whose acts are for a great purpose
155) shuchih: God who is spotlessly clean
156) oorjitah: God who has infinite vitality

158) samgrahah: God who holds everything together
159) sargah: God who creates the world from nothing
160) dhritaatmaa: Self Sufficient
161) niyamo: The appointing authority
162) yamah: The administrator
163) vedyah: That which is to be known
164) vaidyah: The Supreme doctor
165) sadaa-yogee: Always in yoga
166) veerahaa: God who destroys the mighty heroes
167) maadhavo: The Lord of all knowledge

169) ateendriyo: Beyond the sense organs
170) mahaamayo: The Supreme Master of all Maayaa
171) mahotsaaho: The great enthusiast

172) mahaabalah: God who has supreme strength
173) mahaabuddhir: God who has supreme intelligence
174) mahaa-veeryah: The supreme essence
175) mahaa-shaktih: All-powerful
176) mahaa-dyutih: Greatly luminous
177) anirdeshya-vapuh: God whose form is indescribable
178) shreemaan: God who is always courted by glories
179) ameyaatmaa: God whose essence is immeasurable
180) mahaadri-dhrik: God who supports the great mountain

184) sataam gatih: The goal for all virtuous people
185) aniruddhah: God who cannot be obstructed
186) suraanando: God who gives out happiness

188) govidaam-patih: The Lord of all men of wisdom
189) mareechih: Effulgence
190) damanah: God who controls rakshasas
197) prajaapatih: God from whom all creatures emerge
198) amrityuh: God who knows no death
199) sarva-drik: The seer of everything
200) simhah: God who destroys
201) sandhaataa: The regulator

203) sthirah: Steady

205) durmarshanah: God who cannot be vanquished
206) shaastaa: God who rules over the universe
207) visrutaatmaa: God who is called atma in the Vedas
208) suraarihaa: Destroyer of the enemies
209) guruh: The teacher
210) gurutamah: The greatest teacher
211) dhaama: The goal
212) satyah: The Truth
213) satya-paraakramah: Dynamic Truth

215) animishah: God who remains constantly aware; ever knowing

217) vaachaspatir-udaara-dheeh: God who is eloquent in championing the Supreme law of life; God with a large-hearted intelligence
218) agraneeh: God who guides us to the peak
219) graamaneeh: God who leads the flock
220) shreemaan: The possessor of light, effulgence, glory
221) nyaayah: Justice
222) netaa: The leader

223) sameeranah: God who sufficiently administers all movements of all living creatures

225) vishvaatmaa: The animation of the universe

228) aavartanah: The unseen dynamism

231) sam-pramardanah: God who persecutes evil men
232) ahassamvartakah: God who thrills the day and makes it function vigorously

235) dharaneedharah: God who supports the earth
236) suprasaadah: Fully satisfied, never needing
237) prasanaatmaa: Ever pure and all-blissful self
238) vishva-dhrik: Supporter of the world

241) satkartaa: God who adores good and wise people
242) satkritah: God who is adored by all good people
243) saadhur: God who operates by the righteous codes
244) jahnuh: Leader of men
245) naaraayanah: God who resides on the waters
246) narah: The guide
247) asankhyeyah: God who has numberlesss names and attributes

249) vishishtah: God who transcends all in glory
250) shishta-krit: The law-maker
251) shuchih: God who is real

253) siddhasankalpah: God whose will is always done
254) siddhidah: The giver of benedictions
255) siddhisaadhanah: The power behind our sadhana

256) vrishaahee: Controller of all actions
257) vrishabhah: God who showers all dharmas

261) vardhanah: The nurturer and nourisher

263) viviktah: Separate from everything, requiring nothing to exist, free of needs
264) shruti-saagarah: The ocean for all scripture

266) durdurdharah: God who cannot be known by great yogis

267) vaagmee: God who is eloquent in speech

269) vasudah: God who gives all wealth
270) vasuh: God who is Wealth
271) naika-roopo: God who has unlimited attributes
272) brihad-roopah: Vast, of infinite dimensions

274) prakaashanah: God who illuminates
275) ojas-tejo-dyutidharah: The possessor of vitality, effulgence and beauty
276) prakaashaatmaa: The effulgent self
277) prataapanah: The One who warms
278) riddhah: Full of prosperity
279) spashtaaksharo: One who is indicated by OM
280) mantrah: The nature of the Vedic mantras

284) bhaanuh: Self-effulgent
286) sureshvarah: God of extreme charity
287) aushadham: Medicine
288) jagatas-setuh: A bridge across the material energy
289) satya-dharma-paraakramah: One who champions heroically for truth and righteousness
290) bhoota-bhavya-bhavan-naathah: The Lord of past, present and future
291) pavanah: The God that fills the universe
292) paavanah: God who gives life-sustaining power to air

294) kaamahaa: God who destroys all desires
295) kaamakrit: God who fulfills all desires
296) kaantah: God who is of enchanting form
297) kaamah: The beloved
298) kaamapradah: God who supplies desired objects
299) prabhuh: The Lord
300) yugaadi-krit: The creator of the yugas
301) yugaavartah The law behind time
302) naikamaayah: God whose attributes are endless and varied

304) adrishyah: Imperceptible

306) sahasrajit: God who vanquishes thousands
307) anantajit: Ever-victorious
308) ishtah: God who is invoked through Vedic rituals
309) visishtah: The noblest and most sacred
310) sishteshtah: The greatest beloved

314) krodhahaa: God who destroys anger
315) krodhakrit-kartaa: God who generates anger against the lower tendency
316) visvabaahuh: God whose influence is in everything
317) maheedharah: The support of the earth
318) achyutah: God who undergoes no changes
319) prathitah: God who exists pervading all

321) praanadah: God who gives prana

324) adhishthaanam: The substratum of the entire universe
325) apramattah: He who never makes a wrong judgement 326) pratishthitah: He who has no cause

328) skanda-dharah: Upholder of withering righteousness
329) dhuryah: Who carries out everything with ease
330) varadah: God who fulfills boons

331) vaayuvaahanah: Controller of winds
333) brihat-bhaanuh: God who illumines the world with the rays of the sun and moon
334) aadidevah: The primary source of everything
335) purandarah: Destroyer of cities
336) ashokah: God who has no sorrow
337) taaranah: God who enables others to cross
338) taarah: God who saves
339) shoorah: The valiant

341) janeshvarah: The Lord of the people
342) anukoolah: Well-wisher of everyone

348) padmagarbhah: God who is being meditated upon in the lotus of the heart
349) shareerabhrit: God who sustains all bodies
350) maharddhi: One who has great prosperity

352) Vriddhaatmaa: The ancient self

355) atulah: Incomparable

357) bheemah: The terrible

359) havirharih: The receiver of all oblation
360) sarva-lakshana-lakshanyah: Known through all proofs

362) samitinjayah: Ever-victorious
363) viksharah: Imperishable

365) maargah: The path
366) hetuh: The cause

368) sahah: All-enduring
369) maheedharah: The bearer of the earth

371) vegavaan: God who is swift
372) amitaashanah: Of endless appetite
373) udbhavah: The originator
374) kshobhanah: The agitator
375) devah: God who revels
376) shreegarbhah: God in whom are all glories
377) parameshvarah: The Supreme Lord
378) karanam: The instrument
379) kaaranam: The cause
380) kartaa: The doer
381) vikartaa: Creator of the endless varieties that make up the universe
382) gahanah: The unknowable
383) guhah: God who dwells in the cave of the heart
384) vyavasaayah: Resolute
385) vyavasthaanah: The substratum
386) samsthaanah: The ultimate authority
387) sthaanadah: God who confers the right abode
388) dhruvah: The changeless in the midst of changes

390) paramaspashtah: The extremely vivid
391) tushtah: One who is contented with a very simple offering
392) pushtah: One who is ever-full

394) raamah: One who is most beautiful
395) viraamah: The abode of perfect-rest
396) virajo: Passionless
397) maargah: The path
398) neyah: The guide
399) nayah: One who leads
400) anayah: One who has no leader
401) veerah: The valiant
402) shaktimataam-shresthah: The best among the powerful

405) vaikunthah: One who prevents men from straying on wrong paths
406) purushah: One who dwells in all bodies
407) praanah: Life
408) praanadah: Giver of life

411) hiranyagarbhah: The creator
412) shatrughnah: The destroyer of enemies
413) vyaaptah: The pervader
415) adhokshajah: One whose vitality never flows downwards

417) sudarshanah: God whose meeting is auspicious
418) kaalah: God who judges and punishes beings
419) parameshthee: One who is readily available for experience within the heart
420) parigrahah: The receiver
421) ugrah: The terrible

423) dakshah: The smart
424) vishraamah: The resting place
425) vishva-dakshinah: The most skilful and efficient

427) sthaavarah-sthaanuh: The firm and motionless
428) pramaanam: The proof

430) arthah: God who is worshiped by all
432) mahaakoshah: God who has got around him great sheaths
433) mahaabhogah: God who is of the nature of enjoyment
434) mahaadhanah: God who is supremely rich
435) anirvinnah: God who has no discontent
436) sthavishthah: One who is supremely huge
437) a-bhooh: One who has no birth

438) dharma-yoopah: The post to which all dharma is tied
439) mahaa-makhah: The great sacrificer

442) kshamah: God who is supremely efficient in all undertakings
443) kshaamah: God who ever remains without any scarcity
444) sameehanah: One whose desires are auspicious

446) ijyah: God who is fit to be invoked through offerings
447) mahejyah: One who is to be most worshiped

449) satram: Protector of the good
450) sataam-gatih: Refuge of the good
451) sarvadarshee: All-knower
452) vimuktaatmaa: The ever-liberated self
453) sarvajno: Omniscient
454) jnaanamuttamam: The Supreme Knowledge

457) sookshmah: The subtlest
458) sughoshah: Of auspicious sound
459) sukhadah: Giver of happiness
460) suhrit: Friend of all creatures
461) manoharah: The stealer of the mind

464) vidaaranah: One who splits asunder
465) svaapanah: One who puts people to sleep
466) svavashah: God who has everything under His control
467) vyaapee: All-pervading

469) naikakarmakrit: One who does many actions
470) vatsarah: The abode
471) vatsalah: The supremely affectionate

474) dhaneshvarah: The Lord of wealth
475) dharmagub: One who protects religion
477) dharmee: The supporter of religion
478) sat: existence

481) aksharam: Imperishable

484) vidhaataa: All supporter
485) kritalakshanah: One with renowned qualities and attributes
486) gabhastinemih: The hub of the universal wheel

489) bhoota-maheshvarah: The great lord of beings

490) aadidevah: The first deity
491) mahaadevah: The great deity
492) deveshah: The Lord of all devas
493) devabhrit-guruh: Advisor of Indra
494) uttarah: God who lifts us from the ocean of samsara
495) gopatih: The shepherd
496) goptaa: The protector

497) jnaanagamyah: One who is experienced through pure knowledge
498) puraatanah: God who was even before time
499) shareera-bhootabhrit: One who nourishes the nature from which the bodies came
500) bhoktaa: The enjoyer
501) kapeendrah: Lord of the monkeys
502) bhooridakshinah: God who gives away large gifts

506) purujit: One who has conquered numerous enemies
507) purusattamah: The greatest of the great
508) vinayah: God who humiliates those who are unrighteous
509) jayah: The victorious
510) satyasandhah: Of truthful resolution

514) vinayitaa-saakshee: The witness of modesty
515) mukundah: The giver of liberation
516) amitavikramah: Of immeasurable prowess
517) ambho-nidhir: The substratum of the four types of beings
518) anantaatmaa: The infinite self

520) antakah: The death
521) ajah: Unborn
522) mahaarhah: One who deserves the highest worship

524) jitaamitrah: One who has conquered all enemies
525) pramodanah: Ever-blissful
526) aanandah: Pure bliss
527) nandanah: One who makes others blissful
528) nandah: Free from all worldly pleasures

532) kritajnah: The knower of the creation
533) medineepatih: The Lord of the earth

535) tridashaadhyaksho: The Lord of the three states of consciousness

537) kritaantakrit: Destroyer of the creation

539) govindah: One who is known through Vedanta
540) sushenah: He who has a charming army

542) guhyo: The mysterious
543) gabheerah: The unfathomable
544) gahano: Impenetrable
545) guptah: The well-concealed

547) vedhaah: Creator of the universe
548) svaangah: One with well-proportioned limbs
549) ajitah: Vanquished by none

551) dridhah: The firm
552) sankarshanochyutah: God who absorbs the whole creation and never falls away from that nature

557) mahaamanaah: Great-minded
558) bhagavaan: One who possesses six opulences
559) bhagahaa: One who destroys the six opulences during pralaya
560) aanandee: One who gives delight
566) gatisattamah: The ultimate refuge for all devotees

569) daarunah: Merciless towards the unrighteous
570) dravinapradah: One who lavishly gives wealth

572) sarvadrik-vyaaso: One who creates many men of wisdom

574) trisaamaa: One who is glorified by Devas, Vratas and Saamans

577) nirvaanam: All-bliss
578) bheshajam: Medicine
579) bhishak: Physician
580) samnyaasa-krit: Institutor of sannyasa
581) samah: Calm
582) shaantah: Peaceful within
583) nishthaa: Abode of all beings
584) shaantih: One whose very nature is peaceful
585) paraayanam: The way to liberation
586) shubhaangah: One who has the most beautiful form
587) shaantidah: Giver of peace
588) shrashtaa: Creator of all beings

593) goptaa: Protector of the universe

595) vrishapriyah: One who delights in dharma
596) anivartee: One who never retreats
597) nivrittaatmaa: One who is fully restrained from all sense indulgences
598) samksheptaa: The involver
599) kshemakrit: Doer of good
600) shivah: Auspiciousness

602) shrevaasah: Abode of Sree

604) shreemataam varah: The best among glorious
605) shreedah: Giver of opulence
606) shreeshah: The Lord of Sree

608) shreenidhih: The treasure of Sree
609) shreevibhaavanah: Distributor of Sree
610) shreedharah: Holder of Sree
611) shreekarah: One who gives Sree
612) shreyah: Liberation
614) loka-trayaashrayah: Shelter of the three worlds
617) shataanandah: Of infinite varieties and joys
618) nandih: Infinite bliss
619) jyotir-ganeshvarah: Lord of the luminaries in the cosmos

621) vidheyaatmaa: One who is ever available for the devotees to command in love
622) sat-keertih: One of pure fame
623) chinnasamshayah: One whose doubts are ever at rest
624) udeernah: The great transcendent One
625) sarvatah-chakshuh: One who has vision everywhere
626) aneeshah: One who has none to Lord over in authority
627) shaashvata-sthirah: One who is eternal and stable

629) bhooshanah: One who adorns the world
630) bhootih: One who is pure existence
631) vishokah: Sorrowless
632) shoka-naashanah: Destroyer of sorrows
633) archishmaan: The effulgent
634) architah: One who is constantly worshipped by His devotees
635) kumbhah: The holder in which everything is contained
636) vishuddhaatmaa: One who has the purest self
637) vishodhanah: The great purifier
638) anniruddhah: God who can't be defeated by any enemy
639) apratirathah: One who has no enemies that are a threat
640) pradyumnah: Very rich
641) amitavikramah: Of immeasurable prowess

643) veerah: The heroic victor
644) shauri: One who always has invincible prowess
645) shoora-janeshvarah: Lord of the valiant
646) trilokaatmaa: The animation of the three worlds
647) trilokeshah: The Lord of the three worlds

650) harih: The destroyer

651) kaamadevah: The beloved Lord
652) kaamapaalah: The fulfiller of desires
653) kaamee: One who has fulfilled all His desires
654) kaantah: Of enchanting form
655) kritaagamah: The author of the agama scriptures
656) anirdeshya-vapuh: Of Indescribable form
657) vishnuh: All-pervading
658) veerah: The courageous
659) anantah: Endless
663) brahmaa: Creator
664) brahma: Biggest

671) mahaakramo: Of great step
672) mahaakarmaa: One who performs great deeds
673) mahaatejaah: One of great resplendence

675) mahaakratuh: The great sacrifice
676) mahaayajvaa: One who performed great yajnas
677) mahaayajnah: The great sacrificer
678) mahaahavih: The great offering
679) stavyah: One who is the object of all praise
680) stavapriyah: One who is invoked through prayer
681) stotram: The hymn
682) stutih: The act of praise
683) stotaa: One who adores or praises
684) ranapriyah: Lover of battles
685) poornah: The complete
686) poorayitaa: The fulfiller

687) punyah: The truly holy
688) punya-keertir: Of Holy fame
689) anaamayah: One who has no personal weakness
690) manojavah: Swift as the mind
691) teerthakaro: The teacher of the tirthas

693) vasupradah: The free-giver of wealth
694) vasupradah: The giver of salvation, the greatest wealth

696) vasuh: The refuge for all
697) vasumanaah: One who is attentive to everything
698) havih: The oblation
699) sadgatih: The goal of good people
700) satkritih: One who is full of Good actions
701) satta: One without a second
702) sadbhootih: One who has rich glories
703) satparaayanah: The Supreme goal for the good
704) shoorasenah: One who has heroic and valiant armies

706) sannivaasah: The abode of the good

708) bhootaavaaso: The dwelling place of the elements
709) vaasudevah: One who envelops the world with Maya
710) sarvaasunilayah: The abode of all life energies
711) analah: One of unlimited wealth, power and glory
712) darpahaa: The destroyer of pride in evil-minded people
713) darpadah: One who creates pride, or an urge to be the best, among the righteous

715) durdharah: The object of contemplation
716) athaaparaajitah: The unvanquished
717) vishvamoortih: Of the form of the entire Universe
718) mahaamortir: The great form
719) deeptamoortir: Of resplendent form
720) a-moortirmaan: Having no form
721) anekamoortih: Multi-formed
722) avyaktah: Unmanifested

723) shatamoortih: Of many forms
724) shataananah: Many-named
725) ekah: The one
726) naikah: The many
727) savah: The nature of the sacrifice
728) kah: One who is of the nature of bliss
729) kim: What (the one to be inquired into)
730) yat: Which
731) tat: That
732) padam-anuttamam: The unequalled state of perfection
733) lokabandhur: Friend of the world
734) lokanaathah: Lord of the world

736) bhaktavatsalah: One who loves His devotees

741) veerahaa: Destroyer of valiant heroes
742) vishama: Unequalled
743) shoonyah: The void
744) ghritaaseeh: One who has no need for good wishes
745) acalah: Non-moving
746) chalah: Moving
747) amaanee: Without false vanity

749) maanyah: One who is to be honoured
750) lokasvaamee: Lord of the universe
751) trilokadhrik: One who is the support of all the three worlds
752) sumedhaa: One who has pure intelligence

754) dhanyah: Fortunate
755) satyamedhah: One whose intelligence never fails
756) dharaadharah: The sole support of the earth
757) tejovrisho: One who showers radiance
758) dyutidharah: One who bears an effulgent form
759) sarva-shastra-bhritaam-varah: The best among those who wield weapons
760) pragrahah: Receiver of worship
761) nigrahah: The killer
762) vyagrah: One who is ever engaged in fulfilling the devotee's desires

764) gadaagrajah: One who is invoked through mantra

767) chaturvyoohah: One who expresses Himself as the dynamic centre in the four vyoohas
768) chaturgatih: The ultimate goal of all four varnas and asramas
769) chaturaatmaa: Clear-minded
770) chaturbhaavas: The source of the four
771) chatur-vedavid: Knower of all four vedas

773) samaavartah: The efficient turner

775) durjayah: The invincible
776) duratikramah: One who is difficult to be disobeyed
777) durlabhah: One who obtained with effort

783) lokasaarangah: One who understands the universe
784) sutantuh: Resplendent

785) tantu-vardhanah: One who sustains the continuity of the drive for the family
786) indrakarmaa: One who always performs gloriously auspicious actions
787) mahaakarmaa: One who accomplishes great acts
788) kritakarmaa: One who has fulfilled his acts
789) kritaagamah: Author of the Vedas
790) udbhavah: The ultimate source
791) sundarah: Of unrivalled beauty
792) sundah: Of great mercy

796) vaajasanah: The giver of food

798) jayantah: The conquerer of all enemies
799) sarvavij-jayee: One who is at once omniscient and victorious

802) sarva-vaageeshvareshvarah: Lord of the masters of speech
803) mahaahradah: One who is like a great refreshing swimming pool
804) mahaagartah: The great chasm
805) mahaabhootah: The great being
806) mahaanidhih: The great abode
807) kumudah: One who gladdens the earth
808) kundarah: The one who lifted the earth

811) paavanah: One who ever purifies
812) anilah: One who never slips
813) amritaashah: One whose will is never fruitless
814) amritavapuh: God whose form is immortal
815) sarvajna: Omniscient
816) sarvato-mukhah: One who has His face turned everywhere
817) sulabhah: One who is readily available
818) suvratah: One who has taken the most auspicious forms
819) siddhah: One who is perfection
820) shatrujit: One who is ever victorious over hosts of enemies
821) shatrutaapanah: The scorcher of enemies

823) udumbarah: Nourishment of all living creatures

830) amoortih: Formless
831) anaghah: Sinless
832) acintyo: Inconceivable
833) bhayakrit: Giver of fear
834) bhayanaashanah: Destroyer of fear
835) anuh: The subtlest
836) brihat: The greatest

839) gunabhrit: One who supports

841) mahaan: The mighty
842) adhritah: Without support
843) svadhritah: Self-supported

847) bhaarabhrit: One who carries the load of the universe
848) kathitah: One who is glorified in all scriptures
849) yogee: One who can be realised through yoga
850) yogeeshah: The king of yogis
851) sarvakaamadah: One who fulfils all desires of true devotees
852) aashramah: Haven
853) shramanah: One who persecutes the worldly people
854) kshaamah: One who destroys everything

856) vaayuvaahanah: The mover of the winds
858) dhanurvedah: One who declared the science of archery
859) dandah: One who punishes the wicked
860) damayitaa: The controller

862) aparaajitah: One who cannot be defeated
863) sarvasahah: One who carries the entire Universe
864) aniyantaa: One who has no controller
865) niyamah: One who is not under anyone's laws
866) ayamah: One who knows no death
867) sattvavaan: One who is full of exploits and courage
868) saattvikah: One who is full of sattvic qualities
869) satyah: Truth

870) satya-dharma-paraayanah: One who is the very abode of truth and dharma
871) abhipraayah: One who is faced by all seekers marching to the infinite
872) priyaarhah: One who deserves all our love
873) arhah: One who deserves to be worshiped
874) priyakrit: One who is ever-obliging in fulfilling our wishes
875) preetivardhanah: One who increases joy in the devotee's heart
876) vihaayasa-gatih: One who travels in space
877) jyotih: Self-effulgent
878) suruchih: Whose desire manifests as the universe
879) hutabhuk: One who enjoys all that is offered as an offering
880) vibhuh: All-pervading
881) ravih: One who dries up everything
882) virochanah: One who shines in different forms
883) sooryah: The one source from where everything is born
884) savitaa: The one who brings forth the Universe from nothing

886) anantah: Endless
887) hutabhuk: One who accepts oblations
888) bhoktaaA: One who enjoys
889) sukhadah: Giver of bliss to those who are liberated

892) anirvinnah: One who feels no disappointment
893) sadaamarshee: One who forgives the trespasses of devotees
894) lokaadhishthaanam: The substratum of the universe
895) adbhutah: Wonderful
896) sanaat: The beginningless and endless factor
897) sanaatanatamah: The most ancient

900) apyayah: The one in whom the universe merges
901) svastidah: Giver of Svasti
902) svastikrit: One who robs all auspiciousness
903) svasti: One who is the source of all auspiciouness
904) svastibhuk: One who constantly enjoys auspiciousness
905) svastidakshinah: Distributor of auspiciousness
906) araudrah: One who has no negative emotions or urges

908) chakree: Holder of the chakra
909) vikramee: The most daring
910) oorjita-shaasanah: One who commands with His hand
911) shabdaatigah: One who transcends all words
912) shabdasahah: One who allows invocation by Vedic declarations

914) sharvaree-karah: Creator of darkness
915) akroorah: Not a tyrant
916) peshalah: One who is supremely soft
917) dakshah: Prompt
919) kshaminaam-varah: One who has the greatest amount of patience with sinners
920) vidvattamah: One who has the greatest wisdom
921) veetabhayah: One with no fear

922) punya-shravana-keertanah: The hearing of whose glory causes holiness to grow
923) uttaaranah: One who lifts us out of the ocean of change
924) dushkritihaa: Destroyer of bad actions
925) punyah: Supremely pure
926) duh-svapna-naashanah: One who destroys all bad dreams
927) veerahaa: One who ends the passage from womb to womb
928) rakshanah: Protector of the universe
929) santah: One who is expressed through saintly men
930) jeevanah: The life spark in all creatures

931) paryavasthitah: One who dwells everywhere
932) anantaroopah: One of infinite forms
933) anantashreeh: Full of infinite glories
934) jitamanyuh: One who has no anger
935) bhayapahah: One who destroys all fears
936) chaturashrah: One who deals squarely
937) gabheeraatmaa: Too deep to be fathomed
938) vidishah: One who is unique in giving
939) vyaadishah: One who is unique in commanding power
940) dishah: One who advises and gives knowledge
941) anaadih: One who is the first cause
942) bhoor-bhuvo: The substratum of the earth
943) lakshmeeh: The glory of the universe
944) suveerah: One who moves through various ways

946) jananah: God who delivers all living creatures
947) jana-janmaadir: The cause of the birth of all creatures
948) bheemah: Fearsome
949) bheema-paraakramah: One whose prowess is fearful to the enemies
950) aadhaaranilayah: The fundamental sustainer
951) adhaataa: Above whom there is no other to command

953) prajaagarah: Ever-awake and aware
954) oordhvagah: One who is on top of everything

956) praanadah: Giver of life
957) pranavah: Omkara
958) panah: The supreme universal manager
959) pramaanam: God who is described by the Vedas
960) praananilayah: God in whom all prana is established
961) praanibhrit: God who rules over all pranas
962) praanajeevanah: God who maintains the life-breath in all living creatures
963) tattvam: The reality
964) tattvavit: One who knows the reality
965) ekaatmaa: The one self
966) janma-mrityu-jaraatigah: One who experiences no birth, death or old age

968) taarah: One who helps all to cross over

972) yajnapatih: The Lord of all offerings

975) yajnavaahanah: One who fulfils offerings in complete
976) yajnabhrid: The ruler of the offerings

978) yajnee: Enjoyer of offerings
979) yajnabhuk: Receiver of all that is offered
980) yajnasaadhanah: One who fulfils offerings
981) yajnaantakrit: One who performs the concluding act of the offering
982) yajnaguhyam: The acceptor of offerings

985) aatmayonih: The uncaused cause
987) vaikhaanah: The one who cut through the earth

990) srashtaa: Creator
991) kshiteeshah: The Lord of the earth
992) paapa-naashanah: Destroyer of sin
999) akshobhyah: One who cannot be annoyed by anyone
1000) sarva-praharanaayudhah: God who has all implements for all kinds of assault and fight


(p12)(The original prayers from earlier and explanation of some of the radical seeming concepts )
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-YOUR-CHU...ER?page=12

(p8)(Islamic, Hindu, African, and Hebrew names, as well as info on the name Amun)
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-YOUR-CHU...YER?page=8

(p9)(Here are some suggestions as well as Biblical confirmation of the radical ideas presented)
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-YOUR-CHU...YER?page=9

(p10)(Information on the term "image" of God)
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-YOUR-CHU...ER?page=10

(p11)(Information on the possible proto-germanic understanding, such as Thor, Odin, and Frigg)
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-YOUR-CHU...ER?page=11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUn_uoYK...r_embedded

EXPLAINING GOD THROUGH REASON
UPDATED! ONLY LOGICAL NECESSITY

http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php...pid9676287
THE EASY RELIGION
http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=59014
(This post was last modified: 06-24-2011 02:59 PM by FreedomStands.)
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Truly enjoyed your post.

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Try to get your hands on this book. It is out of print.

Thank you.

Your welcome.

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Here are some things I wrote in a thread called "Your Church, Come in and Say a Prayer". The prayers may seem radical sometimes, but I explain those things afterwards.

Some prayers I wrote in "Your Church Come in and Say A Prayer":

Good thread! Let me take the opportunity to say a prayer here!

Mighty Lord! Blessed King! All Mighty Majesty! You who are hidden and manifest! Glorius Master! You are the one who sustains reality! You alone have all the power! All glory belongs to you my Master! All knowledge belongs to you Magnificient Controller of everything!

Please always protect me and assist me my Master, and save me from harm! Only you can save me from harm, only you have all the power, only you have the ability to protect! Only you can help!

You are the all Encompassing One, nothing escapes you my Lord!

You created everything, and it is you alone who animates everything! You are the living, the active, the aware, the alive! Nothing can happen without you, Most Beautiful Naster! Creator of all beauty! Please make me beautiful, most excellent artist! Most Elegant and Refined Master!

There is no God other than You Alone! There is nothing with any power besides You!

You have provided information about Yourself throughout human history! Some knew you as Amun the Hidden One, others as Shangdi who is Above All Sovereigns the Highest and Ultimate, Some knew you as Brahman the Creator in which all things are manifested, or Rahman the Bestower Of Blessings, or Shiva the Auspicious, Kind, and Gracious One, or Vishnu the Sustainer and Maintainer, or Allah the One Most Powerful. All the best titles belong to You Master, everything belongs to You Master!

You are in the likeness of nothing, no form or knowledge can encompass You, yet you encompass all things, and are complete in Your knowledge of everything!

None can oppose You Mightiest Master El Shaddai! You are the Destroyer, full of mercy and patience! You are the One who relents and forgives again and again! Kindest Master! You are Unstoppable!

You are the Just One, who gives the recompense for those who do good, and gives time to those who do harm, and in the end it is You Alone who can choose to forgive them or punish them for their conduct!

The judgment is always Yours Alone Master! You are the Singular Sovereign! There is no authority besides Yours! All the power is with You! Whatever You decide is what happens! If you change Your decision, none can withhold the change!

You are the One who has provided all technology and information to mankind, and You are the One Who Bestows Gifts, food to mankind. If You bring harm upon anyone, none can stop You, and if You bring good upon anyone, none can take it away besides You!

You are the One and Only! Known to the Zoroastrians of old as Ahura Mazda the Wisest Lord, and known to others as the Gitchi Manitou, the Great Spirit Who Pervades Everything. You are Singular, there is none like You! You are the Ultimate In Every Way. You are the Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient!

Everything surrenders to You, and none can resist You. You are the Self Sufficient, and all are dependent on You every moment!

Master! Please save me from being misguided! Please never let me turn away from You! Please always keep me grateful to You! Thank you for everything Master! Your gifts are the best gifts! It is You Alone who provides happiness! It is You Alone who can bring sadness! Please spare me from all harm and punishments Master!

Blessed King to whom all matters return! You Alone decide anything, and anything You decide happens! For You, it is merely a matter of making it "Be" and it is, and everything is easy for You!

It is to You that all things return, and it is You Alone who can return all things! It is You Alone who created us, and You Alone who can bring us back to life after we die if You choose to, whenever You choose to! It is You alone who provides us existence, shelter, and support, and it is You Alone who can give us a new home and a place of peace! Blessed King!

It was from You that all things originated! The ancient Greeks may have called you "Khaos" the state from which the first things were manifested! Glory be to You Alone! You are the Point Of Origination, and the Final Destination! Without You, nothing can exist or move!

You are the Creator Of Everything! You even created the thoughts we can think, the systems which support them, the framework of reality, and You are ultimately operating everything! Thank you Master for all Your gifts!

Thank you for the sight You've given me, the hearing, the ability to speak! You can take these things away in an instant, but please spare me from losing the beautiful gifts You have bestowed upon me!

Forgive me for all my errors Master! You have all the power! You alone can forgive and protect! Please forgive me for falling short in any way from doing what is best!

It is You Alone who listens to the supplication and prayers of those who believe in You, and those who don't! It is You Alone who hears and sees everything from every angle and perspective! It is You Alone who can answer any call or plea from Your supplicants, and even those who do not acknowledge You! You are surrounding everything, within and without all things! You are always nearest and never far!

You are the Creator Of Everything! You alone were Never Created! You are not a human being or any other creature! Any representation is misleading, You are in the image of nothing! If there was not a thing in existence, there would only be You Alone! You Alone are able to create, needing nothing!

You have no father, You have no children, You are far beyond the things which You create, nothing matches You my Master, though it is You who provides information about Yourself!

You are everywhere absolutely! There is no place where You are not! All praise to You! There is nothing at all like You Master! Ruler Of All The Worlds, Galaxies, Universes, and Realities! Nothing exists outside of You, and You are Infinite, Unending! Limitless and without any boundaries!

It is You who brings hardship, and You who brings relief! Everything is completely under Your control and power, and it is You who balances everything!

Please bring good things to the world and existence, though You will always do whatever You want, You alone can bring peace and assistance to all in need!

Please give me paradise in the afterlife, and bless me with the most blessings in this life! Please spare me from hardship and harm! You Alone can protect me! Please accept my prayers and infinite thanks to You!

It is You Alone who created me, who invented who I am, if anything at all! Thank You Master for creating me, bringing me into existence, supporting my existence, and thinking of me in the first place, and continuing to bestow upon me constant gifts of food and mercy among the infinite gifts which You bestow! You are boundless in Your bounty Mightiest King! All gifts belong to You! Everything is provided by You Alone!

Please keep me rightly guided Master! Please protect me from going astray! Thank you for everything! Please return me to worshipping You regularly!

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(Then I pray a more controversial one to try to make an important point)

I'll pray another one!

Master Of Destruction! Lord Of Chaos! Giver Of Disease! Bringer Of Pain!

It is You Alone who allows some to stray, while guiding others!

You are the One who decides the lives and ends of all! Terrifying Master!

It is You Alone who should be feared! With You Alone is the power to harm and bring misery!

None can escape You Master! You are the One Who Brings Death And Destruction! You are the One Who Takes Life And Returns It At Will!

Spare me from all pain, hardship, and misery! You are the Controller Of All Emotions! You can bring sadness to anyone! You can utterly destroy anything You want! Please save me from your punishments and the harm that You can bring!

You have created everything! The decision in all things is with You Alone! Please save me from confusion!

You are the one who humbles people, and shows those who think they are self sufficient that they are nothing but Your creation under Your complete control! You can bring anyone to their knees! Please spare me from such harm as You've brought upon civilizations in the past, or will bring upon those now or in the future! It is You Alone who brought the end to all civilizations when their time was completed! It is You Alone who measured their term! None can return them to their former state other than You if you wish it! You are the One Who Leaves Whatever You Wish In Ruins!

It is You Alone who controls what good and harm comes to us! It is You Alone who can punish anyone You wish for any reason or no reason at all! It is You Alone who can create hell and fill it with those who wish to disobey You! Mighty King! You are in complete control! Your dominion is everywhere! Have mercy please! Never let me be among those who earn Your punishment or experience the harm which You alone can bring!

Please have mercy on all those who love You! You are the One Who Defines Everything! You Alone are full of justice and mercy! Please shower Your blessings on Your clients who depend on You for everything! Thank You for all Your mercy!

It was always in Your power to bring harm at any time to anyone or everyone, and none can stop You! It is You who gives long periods of ease! It is You who continues to make things easy through technology and other creations of Yours! Please make everything easy for me, and never let me experience pain or hardship Master! If You do bring harm, none can remove it save You! Thank You for creating medicines, doctors, and other things which benefit us! You are the Balancer!

Thank you for healing me whenever I've been sick!

Anything You decide for us, is what is! Blessed King, Controller Of All Diseases, please spare me from any diseases! Master Of All Emotion! Please spare me from any harmful intentions from anyone or anything! Please keep my life filled with happiness, peace and ease! Please make happiness, peace, ease, beauty and beneficial bounty surround me everywhere! You are the All Powerful Master Of Everything, Creator, Originator, Activator, Animator Of Everything! Please shower me with all Your blessings and all the best, and never take away any of the good and beauty You bestow upon me, and give me all the best always in this life and in the afterlife and always!

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Lets say a prayer:

My God! You are The Only Power! You are the Master Of Everything. You are the Controller Of All Motions And Emotions! You blow the wind, scattering seeds and life wherever You choose, You Alone are the Bringer Of The Harvest, Provider Of All Food And Care to those who depend on You always!

It is You who spreads fertility in the world! It is You who makes things barren, and from that state, can easily bring them back to life!

It is You who controls the force and speed of everything.

You control all processes of all things on all levels!

You control the sun and the moon, the orbits and the stars. You form the galactic clouds, and You can bring them all to an end in an instant.

It is You Alone who expands this universe, and it is You Alone who can collapse it and expand it again!

You created this planet with ease, and never did you tire or feel fatigue. Nothing tires you, All Mighty Master, nothing is hard for You!

You are the Provider Of The Air We Breath! The space we live in! You are the Master Of All Households, the Ruler Of Earth And All That Exists Within It And Beyond It!

All the loftiest praise belongs to You Alone! You who causes things to grow, and make things to die!

All glory belongs to You Alone Majesty! You who makes the thunder clap, and the flash of lightning.

Everything is in constant praise of You! You are The Only Creator, The Bringer Of Storms, The Maker Of Rains! You can bring life to anything and anywhere You want.

Thank You for absolutely everything You have provided always, and You Alone provide everything always!

Thank You for the shelter You've provided, and the place of our existence. Please always protect me with the most protection and help me with the most help!

Please always keep me in appreciation of all Your glorious attributes my Master!

Never let me fall to ingratitude or turn away from You and Your praise in the least!

Please keep harm far away from me always! Please always provide the best for me always!

You are The Greatest! Infinite praise belongs to You Alone!

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(Then someone asked about the controversial seeming honorific titles used in the second prayer)

TX PATRIOT  Wrote: (02-21-2011 11:47 PM)
FreedomS, allow me to preface this post by saying that I really like you, and I really do not mean disrespect.

But, I must inquire: if you step outside of your emotion-driven paradigm for just one brief second and take a view from a position of logic, does the above even sound sane to you?

Based on your 'teachings', are you really worshiping the "Lord of chaos," "the master of destruction" and the "bringer of pain"?

(I know I will live to regret this inquiry. chuckle)

Wow! Thank you for asking such a nice, thoughtful question!

I don't mean to sound like I'm making anything difficult but, what teachings are we talking about?

I understand that second prayer was radical sounding, but I wanted both prayers to kind of make some points that I thought were important for people to understand.

The main reason was probably to show that in monotheism there shouldn't be dualism, with two opposing forces, good vs evil in perpetual battle.

I wanted to show the idea (which is confirmed by all religious scriptures in their earliest forms, especially the vedas, the ancient world religions such as Egyptian and Akkadian religion, the scriptures of the Bible such as Isaiah, and the Qur'an, as well as ancient Chinese religion practiced in Early Han China) that an all powerful God holds all the power of fortune and misfortune. Later, developments occurred which personified misfortune as demons, and then as the act of demons in many religions while only goodness was reserved for God. I think this is a dangerous belief, and really just starts a whole line of confusion and a polytheism of numerous warring powers.

To simplify things, I think it is best to say God controls everything absolutely and has complete power. God has all the power to execute whatever God wants without question, and can define things in any way also. So the idea of good and evil become kind of arbitrary in an ultimate sense, since God can be considered entirely evil from our current perspective but still have all the power to bring us good or harm, so the only option would be to try to ask for the good and avoid the harm.

It doesn't matter to me if it isn't really true that God has all the power or not. I think it is the most beneficial belief and brings most personal peace to realize or think that there is an all powerful sustainer maintaining, controlling, and animating reality alone. It simplifies spiritual appeals to one source, it denies the powers of demons and other such things over our fortune, and also takes away the pressure of feeling like we are ultimately responsible for the functions of the universe that seem clearly out of our control.

The other options are:

Thinking we are in control of all things with our mind. Here, great stress comes upon us for worrying about what we think, our "negative" thoughts having "negative" influence on the world, and even worrying about things that we didn't think or some beliefs we didn't even really have but blaming ourselves for everything.

Thinking we ourselves and others are all in control "co-creating" which creates the problem of other people's thoughts causing problems. This makes it a great concern that other people are thinking negative things, and causes a partial loss of control that creates great stress as well. The only version in which this is best is in a literal sense of actually working together but still knowing that if anything doesn't happen it is because of God ultimately.

Thinking there is a system of absolute "karma" and feeling that we can't escape the automatic "punishments" or recompense. Included is also the idea that there is "reincarnation" where our past as someone else is to be blamed for the misfortune happening to us.

Thinking that God is just neutral or doesn't interfere and the forces of evil are left to do whatever they want, and we have to actually work to combat them or convince them not to be evil. In that case the forces of evil should to be appeased since they seem to have the real power.

I mean none of the other options seem as good to me as believing that God alone holds all power and authority over all things. That God alone brings all harm and fortune. To seek the fortune and avoid the harm. That if the harm happens not to really think it is punishment but rather know that there is at least the option of asking God for relief, rather than thinking an uncontrollable demon is inflicting it. Basically it makes a person realize their state of utter surrender to reality, that things are not really in our control at all, that even our prayers might not be answered (though I really think they seem to be for many people), but that what happens in the world or what bad things aren't really in our control and all these things are from God ultimately for whatever reason.

I mean it doesn't matter to me if it is true or not, because I don't believe there is any way of knowing what is and what isn't with certainty. I do believe that it is the most beneficial and least risky belief system.

The belief system of not believing in an ultimate and all powerful God is riskier than believing in one. The belief system of believing in numerous powers is complicated and riskier seeming than believing in just one ultimate all powerful all encompassing sustainer and animator of reality.

What are the risks? Well by believing in one ultimate God, the most religious systems are fulfilled, leading to the most potential benefit according to the most systems. If none of this is true, and we die forever, then all we did was live doing good things hoping for the best from God. But if the promises of many religions are true, then our belief and devotion to God will benefit us later too, while atheism would lead us to a life with an incomplete seeming explanation and a possible afterlife with dire consequences from the perspectives of many potentially true religions.

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Who created diseases and supports their existence in reality? Who decides who becomes diseased and who gets healed? Who created destructive things and operates them ultimately? Who brings the storms and selects who they specifically affect and how?

I say God alone does all these things, God alone has all the power over all these things, and no one else controls the operation or animation of such things, and everything is the creation of God, even the thoughts we think originally had to be created by God, supported in existence by God, and their operation and activity animated by God.

Will you say there is another power besides God who controls the the powers which you don't want to associate with God? Then why wouldn't the favor of the destructive God be sought out as well?

But God is one alone, controlling all misfortune and harm, and all goodness and blessings.
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(Then I received a very kind reply!)

TX PATRIOT  Wrote: (02-22-2011 05:02 AM)
No, no.....I must thank you for such an eloquent and well-written explanation of your beliefs and intent. Admittedly, I did not expect such a rational response to what struck my soul as an irrational prayer.

And while I do not personally agree with all you have presented, there are definite points worthy of thought. Thanks, FS.

Thank you so much! You are so kind! Your response really made me feel great! I really appreciate it! It has made me so happy! It made my day! Thank you!

Yeah, I understand how calling God those things might seem like an insult, blasphemy, or extremely controversial, but I actually think they aren't really that, and the greater blasphemy from a strictly monotheistic stance at least would be to say that God doesn't control everything, or that God doesn't have all the power, or that God only controls our fortune while some other force controls our harm.

Thank you so much for reading what I wrote! I'm so happy that you're willing to give it some consideration and thought at least.

I apologize deeply if I've ever said anything insulting towards God, that is never my intention really, but I did want to make those radical statements to make a point since too many people believe in dualistic ideas that I don't feel really benefit them or do justice to God or reality. Rather they seem to empower concepts that oppose God (which is impossible in the system I'm presenting). Many people consider Satan some kind of Lord of Chaos and evil, when I consider him just a powerless liar, who has no power over our harm or benefit, but just tells us different lies, especially the old lie which is still present in the world which is that we are Gods or can be Gods, when in truth that brings great pressure on a person and also doesn't seem true and is especially disturbing when we find that we don't actually have control over things or anything at all in many senses.

So I'd never say there is any other power other than God alone, even if it isn't really true even, because I don't even feel it can be known with total certainty but only believed at most.
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(Someone asked if I worship Satan)

Wow! I'm so happy to see that you signed up for a full account here! I loved seeing your name in blue! You make great posts, I really enjoy them!

I don't worship Satan. The reason I made those radical statements was to show people that God controls everything, and Satan doesn't have any power at all. People make Satan out to be some kind of evil God opposing God the Good. This happened to Zoroastrianism also that divided good and evil between God and the great celestial serpent Angra Mainyu who controlled all evil and misfortune. Zoroastrianism was purely monotheistic in its earliest form, but later fell to dualism in order to explain "the problem of evil" which is what it is called in western theology.
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I guess I should mention that I don't really think that the prayers of other people work on behalf of people who don't pray themselves, but they might, I just don't feel like if someone else asks for someone elses forgiveness who doesn't themselves ask or want to ask for forgiveness that it won't really do anything, but ultimately God decides who to forgive and what requests to manifest. I guess I should mention that I don't really think that the prayers of other people work on behalf of people who don't pray themselves, but they might, I just don't feel like if someone else asks for someone elses forgiveness who doesn't themselves ask or want to ask for forgiveness that it won't really do anything, but ultimately God decides who to forgive and what requests to manifest.
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That completely throws out the possibility of "black magic" or anything else (in my belief system), because nobody has any power at all to control anything for anyone or even themselves ultimately.

I completely reject all the new age ideas that are commonly promoted and accepted, and I'm thrilled by the radical nature of such a rejection.

I deny the existence of "negative and positive" thoughts and energies.

I've practiced utterly negative thinking towards myself and have only seen good things come from it, and it bringing great happiness to expose my fears and state them and think about them.

The idea of thoughts having power is very dangerous to a person's wellbeing and happiness I feel, because it brings an underlying anxiety, a fear of what you might think or what that thought might bring to you, running from negativity or shunning it and in constant fear of fear itself.

I think fear is a real thing that people can feel, and that it isn't a bad thing to feel, and it is worth acknowledging as well.

We're brought into life with no guaranteed way to escape with results we can be sure about, leaving us with only the option to do the best we can in this life and prepare for the possibility of an afterlife as best we can by fulfilling most of the good seeming ideas that have been echoed as warnings throughout history through the religions for the most part.

Its a gamble always, but we'll be making the best bet we can if we pay attention to the possible risks and all that and try to reduce the most risks without gaining many.

It is totally peace inducing, for me at least, to feel or believe that God alone has all the power, and controls everything. It is also somehow peace inducing for me to feel or believe that I'm completely in a state of utter surrender before God and God's power. Something really relaxes me about that, as compared to feeling there are numerous forces vying for control or that I myself am responsible for harms that seem out of my control.
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(Siahaya then said a prayer which had some components I wanted to point out by way of caution)

Siahaya  Wrote: (02-22-2011 07:12 AM)
O Lord, nourish me not with Love, but with the need for Love.
Hollow me out, then fill me up according to your will,
So that I can glimpse your Glory, if only for an instant,
May my heart be a clean mirror, may I reflect your Light in all directions.

That sounds and looks like a prayer to me!

Some of the things in this thread in the way they were worded didn't even really seem like prayers at all.

Oh, I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to write a version of your prayer!

Lord of the Worlds and Everything seen and unseen, Master of light and darkness, giver of knowledge and surrender.

Please always love me with the most love, and nourish me with your love, and make love and joy and all goodness surround me always in this life, the afterlife, and forever and always.

Never allow me to turn away from gratefulness to you and appreciation of you and your beautiful gifts! You are the best and only bestower of all good. You alone know what is good for me and what is best for me, please bestow upon me all the best things, and all the good things always.

Please always save me from harm. Please keep me behaving in such a way that pleases you and gains me favor. Make me and keep me aware of all your blessings and glory master! Please cleanse me and my heart, and keep me clean always in every way. Please fill me with all your light, knowledge, and beauty, and make me to shine with all your light, knowledge, and beauty.

Bring peace upon me and keep peace surrounding me always. Save me from ignorance and denial of you. You my master, are the truth, the reality. It is you alone who controls all things. You make whoever you will to shine, and you bring darkness upon any you wish to. For you, everything is easy. You can cleanse a heart in an instant, forgive a crime in a moment, and raise anyone you wish from a state of degredation. Blessed King, All mighty Sovereign, Lord of the supreme dominion! Encompasser of all! It is you alone who are always near to everything. It is you alone who is fully aware. Fill me with the awareness of you in a way that benefits me the best, and benefits all those I interact with. Allow me to express what is best always, and save me from doing anything harmful, and spare me from all harm and malice. You alone control everything. Please forgive me for any of my mistakes. Please always bless me with the most blessings and keep me among the best of those who depend upon you always. Spare me from any terrible losses, pain, and hardships! You are the controller of all experience! You are the bringing of ease and the only that force in existence!

Thank you for the light you create that allows us to see, and the darkness you create that can bring us peace. Please save me from uncleanliness and harm. Please save me from ignorance and denial of you, most majestic king! Singular sovereign of everything! Thank you for everything. All praise and glory belongs to you alone, and you alone bring good and you alone can bring harm. Spare me from any harm, and bless me with the most good. You are the mightiest, the wisest, the kindest, the most bountiful and giving. The giver of blessings, the controller of all results.
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(I explain the meaning of prayer here, since I noticed that people don't seem to know how to)

I wonder if people don't know what a prayer is that they keep making statements about themselves as if they are supposed to be a prayer. I usually think that prayer means asking for something and I include lots of praises as well.

The online dictionary at http://www.dictionary.com defines prayer as "a devout petition to god" and "a spiritual communion with God, as in supplication, thanksgiving, adoration, or confession.

"a petition; entreaty"

With the word history listed as:

"prayer

c.1300, from O.Fr. preiere , from V.L. *precaria , noun use of L. precaria , fem. of adj. precarius "obtained by prayer," from precari"

supplication seems to mean:

to pray humbly; make humble and earnest entreaty or petition.

entreaty means:

earnest request

petition means:

a request made for something desired, especially a respectful or humble request, as to a superior or to one of those in authority.

So can you please say a prayer here?
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(Finally, someone said a prayer I thought was really awesome)

The Lucky AC  Wrote: (02-22-2011 08:52 AM)
Thank you, God, for giving us Life.

Thank you for giving us Dark,
so that we may learn lessons needed to improve our Soul and
to remind us when we are in the Light
to appreciate it even more.

Thank you for giving us Light,
so that we may experience happiness and joy and
to remind us when we are in the Dark
that the Light will soon follow.

Please protect and Love us All.

Heartflowers

THIS WAS GREAT! SOMEONE WHO REALLY GRASPED THE CONCEPTS PRESENTED IN THIS THREAD! I WAS THRILLED BY THIS EXCELLENT PRAYER!

Please feel free to sign up to LOP so I can private message you! Thank you for this excellent prayer! I'm so glad you posted it and thought of things like that! Really great job! Thank you so much!

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Would anyone else like to write a prayer?

Please keep in mind that prayer is generally a plea, appeal, or request to what you believe holds the power to answer such a prayer, or could possibly.

Prayers can also include forms of worship such as praise and glorification of the power being prayed to.

Prayers are generally thought to be most effective when said with personal humility, just as you might ask a superior or a king for something without demanding it as if you're the sovereign yourself, this would especially be dangerous in the court of a King, and I think that the appeals to powers can be done in a manner that one might approach a King with all dignity and respect and high praise.

I think prayer is useful even if you don't believe in any power that can answer your prayers as long as you accept the possibility that perchance there is such a power, so you pray to the one who has all the power if there is such a one, but of course if there was such a one to say "if there is such a one" might be disrespectful.

In ancient traditions from around the world, God was approached with humility, dignity, cleanliness, and deep respect. They would bow down and prostrate themselves in many ancient cultures around the world just as muslims continue to do today after they ritually purify themselves.

These actions are to show humility, surrender, and express complete respect towards God who was believed and is believed to hold all power related to any fortune or misfortune that comes upon everyone.

You can see lots of ancient art to see how worship was performed throughout ancient times, it generally stays the same, with bowing, and prostrating on knees and hands.

Of course one could say God doesn't or shouldn't need such things, but it isn't about God who needs nothing, so much as us who are completely dependent and in constant need. The act of surrender is an expression of the realization that we have no power, knowledge, or control over anything ultimately, but the ultimate power does, and so we bow down and prostrate both to show respect but also to express the realization of the ultimate truth.

But that is worship. Worship often includes prayers which are appeals in order to at least attempt to secure some benefits for ourselves.

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-22-2011 10:04 AM)
Well if you go to India,Well if you go to America,Well if you go to China,Well if you go to Japan,Well if you go to Egypt.You will get many prayers to different gods.But don't the prayers reach the same Conciousness no matter the gods?

What different Gods are you talking about?

If someone defines "A" one way and "B" the same, then how are "A" and "B" more than just different letters representing the same thing?

The names of Gods are usually just descriptive terms for God.

Shiva isn't a name so much as an honorary title of praise and an attribute, meaning auspicious one, for example.

Amun, from the ancient Egyptian religion means something like "hidden one".

These are all qualities of God.

God is the God of the oceans.

God is the God of the sky and deep space (heavens).

God is the God of the Earth and the ground.

God is the God of all creatures.

God is the God of the harvest.

God is the God of wealth and fortune.

God is the God of misery and death.

God is the God of everything.

Hinduism is thought by some or many to be monotheistic ultimately, with the variety of Gods being attributes to the one God. At a time Egyptian religion may have been understood like this, with Amun being the God to which all the netjer were attributes and descriptive qualities. If Greek and Roman religion is going to be taken metaphorically, this is also the case, and all polytheistic religions can be interpreted as metaphors for all the qualities of the one God.

I think that it can confuse and may have confused many people to create descriptive humanized imagery in relation to these descriptive attributes, but ancient priests probably understood these as symbolic rather than literal, as many Brahman priests do today in India.

In Han China, they worshipped Shangdi meaning Above Sovereign, monotheistically, and only later other celestials were added, each representing an attribute of Shangdi's power.

This happened with Zoroastrianism as well, and one could even go so far as to say that it happened with Christianity, where the mind, body, and spirit were seperated into a trinity.

But I believe God is one, and not a human being or any creation, is in the image of nothing, made of no materials, but all materials exist within God who can also completely make them nothing. God encompasses all knowledge, but no knowledge or information or form can encompass God the infinite, so only descriptive attributes can be named.

The Zoroastrians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and Sihks among others have created lists of attributes of God, that are all generally the same. You can look at the meaning of the names of various Gods from polytheistic religions or their attributes or areas and control and realize that each area is controlled by the one God and that these are just metaphors for God's areas of control and attributes.

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Snowglobe  Wrote: (05-10-2011 01:46 AM)
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-10-2011 01:25 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-10-2011 01:22 AM)
Try to get your hands on this book. It is out of print.

Thank you.

Your welcome.

Are there any other books you recommend?

LysaStrata  Wrote: (05-20-2011 04:12 AM)
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-20-2011 04:00 AM)
I felt like I couldn't be rejected by God if I was a strict devotee of God, but would risk some trouble if I stepped near potential blasphemies, associating power to any besides God, even the power of mentioning the name of someone close to God when approaching God. I can confidently say I believe in Jesus and what Jesus taught, but I believe in Moses and what Moses taught also, and I believe in even Muhammed, and all the messengers of God, and even in the original message of Zoroaster for example.

Jesus and Moses taught the same things. And if you believe, then you are called to action.

I understand you are trying to hedge against making the wrong choice.

But this is one of those things that you have to commit to --you have to be bold and you have to ACT.

I agree that Jesus and Moses taught the same thing, as well as others. I don't think I would lose what Moses taught by believing in what Jesus taught. I do think I would be straying off if I believed in a God that has children or even a son, but I believe in the virgin birth and that Jesus was the miraculously born messiah and all that. I believe Moses and Jesus had the same religion, and that this religion was the same as the religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I believe this is also the religion of Muhammed too.

I don't think I would approach God saying I come in the name of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. But I would say that I believe in the God of these individuals, the One God. The one that was called Eloah in Hebrew, Ellah in Aramaic, Allah in Arabic, Alla and Alalu in Akkadian, etc. This God I believe is one and the same as the Brahman, Shiva, Vishnu, Shangdi, Amun, and all the rest that have identical qualities and describe the one God.

Whoever taught and believed in and worshipped this God, this God is aware of them and is capable of rewarding them. It is this God that I approach, invoke, and hope to sincerely worship. I believe it is safest to say that this God has all the power, and so approaching this God directly is the best policy.

I don't want to risk saying this God has a son, nor would I ever say such a thing because this God is not a human or a creature of any kind, but rather the creator of all things. I agree that action should be taken if one believes, and I certainly believe in Jesus and what Jesus taught, but then when people say Jesus is the literal son or child of a human God, or that Jesus is God, I can not agree with those things, because God is not a man, nor does God have literal children (because God isn't a man).

So I would approach God in the way that Jesus did, through praying, praising, washing and worship. I don't think Jesus was a Christian, in that Jesus did not worship himself (I know you don't worship Jesus, I'm talking about the mainstream Christians though), nor did Jesus ask for anyone to prostrate before him even. Jesus even said only God is good. I believe Jesus had submitted his entire will to God, that he was by definition one who has surrendered to God. I believe that religion, the religion of Jesus, is the true and right path.

The religion is represented in the Shema, and the religion is represented in the Shahada as well (the muslim creed), that there is only one God, there is no God besides The One God. I believe in the scriptures of old, but I also believe that misinterpretations and corruptions may have creeped in at times. I do believe there is a safe book though, one that hopefully misleads less than the others.

Monotheism is the true belief, and surrender/submission to God is the one religion. Washing, worship, kindness, fasting and good deeds such as charity are some of the actions of the religion. The statements that Jesus is the son of God or one in a trinity, defy older religions, and even religions after it placing those things as high risk statements.

The forgiving Jesus proposed by many mainstream Christians would also not apparently blame anyone for devotedly worshipping the one God. Nor would the most excellent God (as far as I believe anyway) reject the devotion of people for worshipping only God. Though there is indication throughout history in the past and even after Christianity that God does not like partners or associates being associated or false claims being made. So the pristine religion would not do these things, nor would claim that God needs these things.

This is what was said in the New Testament in Aramaic:
(Luke 6:40)
"Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'mushlam yihyeh k'rabbo."

The word "Mushlam" comes from the root "S L M" the same as Shalom for example.

In the Aramaic language, the person who was mushlam was called mishalmana. This is the applied version of the word mushlam which was translated as "perfect" but also means "complete" (Mishlam), one who is completely in accord with God and perfect in religion. It is also the same word as muslim.

Genesis 1:1 in Aramaic is "brasheet bara Allaha eet shmaya wa eet ar'a" Meaning "In the beginning (brasheet), Allaha (The God), created shmaya (sky/heavens) and Earth (ar'a).

Here is Isaiah 46:9 in Aramaic:

Ethidkru qadmayta d'min 'alma d'ana na Allaha, wa layt too ilah wa layt akwatee

Which means "Remember the former things of old, for I am Allaha, and there is no other god (ilah), and (wa) there (layt) is none like me.

Now here is Mark 12:29 in Aramaic:

Amar leh Yashu', madmay min kullhoon puqdane, shma' Israyel Marya Allahan, Marya Had hu

which is "Jesus answered him, the first of all commandments is Hear, O Israel, The Lord (Marya) Allaha, The Lord is One (Had).

When people tried to show Jesus gestures of worshipful respect in Matthew 19:17 he said in Aramaic:

Mana qara anta lee Taba? Layt Taba illa en Had Allaha.

meaning "Why do you call me Good? There is none Good except One (Had) Allaha.

Genesis 20:17
Wa salee Abraham qadam Allaha

which means "and (wa) Abraham worshipped (salee) Allaha"

The word salee is the same as the arabic salah, which also means worship.

This worship was done in the ancient way, bowing and prostrating, just like modern salah, and it wasn't exclusive to one region but was worldwide in scope.


In Matthew 4:10 Jesus said in Aramaic:
Kateeb geir dal'Marya Allahak tasjood, wa leh balhoodawhee tiflooh.

Which means "For it is written, worship the Lord (Marya) Allaha, and to him only is service is due."
In this case the word for worship used was tasjood, which has the root S J D, which means bowing and prostration. The word in aramaic in simplified form is sejed, and the word in arabic is sajada.

In John 4:24 it says:
Rooha haw geir Allaha, waylein d'sajdeen leh, brooha wa bashrara wa le d'nesjadoon

Meaning: For Allaha is a (rooha), and they that prostrate/bow down to him, must prostrate/bow down to him in truth(bashrara) and spirit (brooha).

The arabic word for soul, spirit, life force, energy, is rooh often spelled ruh.

I believe this verse means that Allaha is rooha and so we must worship Allaha sincerely with our souls/spirits/lifeforce/energy.

A rooh is the animating force within something. The animation of the Had Marya Allaha pervades all realities and experience.

I used the aramaic words because I thought it was neat!

The religion of Jesus, the religion Jesus taught was called shlama in aramaic. At John 14:27 Jesus says in aramaic:

Shlama shabaq ana lakoon, Shlama deelee yaheb ana lakoon

This means "Shlama I leave you with, my Shlama I give unto you"

Shlama means Peace, but has an extended meaning of surrender, submission, obedience, being in accord with God's will. This is also the meaning of the word Islam from Arabic. Both have the same root of S L M, meaning peace, and found in words like Shalom and Salam.

So that is why I say there is only one religion, and it is finding peace through surrender/submission to the One God. The God called Allaha in aramaic, Allah in arabic, Alaheim or Aloah in Hebrew. These are transliterations sometimes using E or A for the first letter to emulate the sound, all these words are pronounced like "Uhlah" or "Uhlaw" and are spelled practically the same with the same first letter.

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The meaning of El Shaddai:

As for El Shaddai, a variety of websites say the following: "The root word "shadad" (שדד) means "to overpower" or "to destroy". This would give Shaddai the meaning of "destroyer", representing one of the aspects of God, and in this context it is essentially an epithet."
- Wikipedia: El Shaddai

"This would give Shaddai the meaning of “destroyer”, representing one of the aspects of God. The Septuagint translates this into Almighty. In most English translations, El Shaddai becomes God Almighty. It is the name Shaddai whom Abraham, Issac, and Jacob follow."
- The Meaning of El Shaddai http://lynnwright00.wordpress.com/2011/0...l-shaddai/

"Some say that this name is derived from the verb (shadad 2331), meaning to destroy, hence: My Destroyer. Others furiously refute this because this meaning would go against the nature of God. Isaiah, however, seems to be in the camp of the first when he writes, "Wail, for the day of YHWH is near. It will come as destruction (shad) from Shaddai (13:6)"

The Destroyer was a common epithet for God from around the world. It is a thrilling title used to refer to God, indicating the immense power that God has, to destroy anything, to vanquish any foe, to even destroy ignorance or injustice. God the true Hero, the Mst Powerful Destroyer. People only resist this identification because they don't want to see God having an attribute like this, but who can destroy besides God alone?

Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

I think that the anthropomorphic identification of a "God with Breasts" is blasphemous. Will people go to such lengths to avoid "The Destroyer" that they will say God has breasts? Certainly, God is "The Destroyer", the only one with the power to destroy whatever, completely, even to make matter into nothing. The Great Destroyer, the Greatest Destroyer, the only One that can Destroy.

EXPLAINING GOD THROUGH REASON
UPDATED! ONLY LOGICAL NECESSITY

http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php...pid9676287
THE EASY RELIGION
http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=59014
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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
SweetSkitzo  Wrote: (05-10-2011 01:44 AM)
Truly enjoyed your post.

Thank You! Is there any other area that you would like me to talk about or something that I missed?

BadMoon  Wrote: (05-10-2011 04:35 AM)
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-10-2011 04:29 AM)
Conservative Hippy  Wrote: (05-10-2011 04:17 AM)
ALL RELIGIONS ARE LIES TO CONTROL PEOPLE. ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. AND YOURS IS NO EXCEPTION.

Thanks for the friendly reminder. I really appreciate your concern.

Religions are sets of beliefs. Even if one does not have a name for the things they believe in, it can still be considered their "religion". These are the beliefs they live by and understand things through.

Everyone living and thinking, has beliefs. Ultimately, belief is the most anyone can have. What you "know", can only ultimately be what you believe. What you believe is your religion.

So if your belief is that all beliefs are lies to control people, all beliefs are false, and mine is no exception, that is part of what might be called your religion.

Do religions really control people?

Is there something false in saying that everything came from one thing, and everything is powered by and animated by this one source of all power and activity? It seems like truth to me.

The older I get, the more I let go of "beliefs"....I will probably end up with none.

For all our technology, mythology, conspiracies, science, etc....

In truth, we are hardly different than our not-so-ancient ancestors who trembled in fear at lightening, and earthquakes, and volcanoes, etc.

We don't really know any better than they did about the nature of our existence, we just have more stories..

And I am fine with that...

Thank you! I agree that humans have changed little from their ancient ancestors. I believe that beliefs include tested information. For example we believe in air, even if we didn't believe in air, we would still probably be breathing something.

I agree that nothing is known for certain. This leaves us with only beliefs.

It can be widdled down to one essential belief "there is something". This seems an unavoidable belief to anyone who exists and has any senses. That there is something, something that may be called many things, whatever we are seeing and experiencing is the something. We can define the various parts of it, but ultimately its all something.

A blind person, who can't hear also, nor even feel anything, may also be experiencing something for as long as they are alive, though may not be able to express what it is they are experiencing.

Most would probably agree that there is "something" and there is not "nothing".

If there was "nothing" there wouldn't be you, or me, or anything else either. There would be absolutely nothing at all, nothing existing. So it is safe to say that there is no such thing as "nothing" and there is definitely "something", whatever it may be.

Now we've established what may be the only sure knowledge or belief.

We come to the next step.

There is something, but did this something always exist as it is, or did it change?

From our experience, change seems evident. The something changes, it is not entirely static, it is in motion.

What powers this motion of the something? We have two options here:

The something powers itself. The something is powered and moved by "the power" or the "animator".

Both of these options are true, they both are the same.

The something powers whatever is included within it, and it is powered by "the power", the "animator".

So to recap briefly:

There is no such thing as nothing.

There is something.

The something is in motion.

For something to move it must be powered.

The something is powered, animated.

Here we come onto what the ancients, and myself call "God".

God encompasses the reality and is the reality, if there was no reality, there would still be God who is the power that is the base that sustains and animates everything.

Everything in reality is sustained by God, and ultimately there is only God. Whatever there is, is powered, animated, and sustained. If all these things were removed and there were no things, no black or white, there would still be the essential power. If there was not this power that animates and move things, nothing would move, nor would anything come into existence.

The romans knew this as the Numen. The Japanese as Kami. The Hebrew people as Eloah and Elohim. The Muslims as Allah. The Proto Aryans called it Daeus. The Vedas called it The Brahmin. The Shaivites call it Shiva. The Vishnaivists call it Vishnu. The Egyptians called it Amun. The Platonists called it The One, or The Good.

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JimmyK  Wrote: (05-10-2011 05:00 AM)
Greetings,

When I read the title of your post I was attracted to it. When I consider my beliefs, if one were to ask me to put them in a nutshell I would have to go with...

"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

The second line is my sig line hence the attraction to your title.

Regards

JimmyK

Is that the entire quote? Or is the entire quote as follows:

Mark 12:28
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

Mark 12:29
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: (Deuteronomy 6:4) 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

Mark 12:30
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'"

Mark 12:31
The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

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That is the entire quote. I included where in the Old Testament that commandment can be found as well. I think the first part of the commandment should not be cut out. God is one, there is only one God, there is no other.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to verify and check on all that I've written, I appreciate your effort so much, it was so kind of you to do that, and you've done an excellent job.

As far as at least some Jewish scholars are concerned, the statements about the "image" of God are symbolic and not literal, at least some, if not most agree that God is without any literal image or form.

This is often understood as a statement about the thinking nature of man, man's soul and ability to discern things and make judgments. This also may be a reference to the authority given to mankind over the Earth and animals, which is referenced in scriptures.

So some Christians and Jewish people do not accept that God has a body, but rather they say that God is "spirit", bodiless and pure, infinite and always existing.

Pilgrimage was often a part of religious systems from around the world, though the places visited have varied. It was likely a devotional act.

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Conservative Hippy  Wrote: (05-10-2011 05:03 AM)
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-10-2011 04:29 AM)
Everyone living and thinking, has beliefs. Ultimately, belief is the most anyone can have. What you "know", can only ultimately be what you believe. What you believe is your religion.

What I believe, I believe beause I KNOW AND HAVE PUT THE PRINCIPLES TO THE TEST AND GET THE RESULTS. I HAVE TANGIBLE PROOF IN MY LIFE.

That is not based upon someone's ideas.

Some people listen to what other people say and think about what they present. Then through their own thinking processes come to accept those ideas. I agree that it is important to think to yourself. If you come to believe in things that are similar or the same as others, it may not mean you are just following them, but rather that you've come to understand those things for yourself.

What you described as your belief system earlier seemed nearly identical to what I was presenting in my post if you've read it. So I found it strange that you would be calling it false, while saying the same thing yourself.

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Conservative Hippy  Wrote: (05-10-2011 05:08 AM)
THE CREATOR OF ALL CREATION DOES NOT HARM CREATION OR ANY PART OF CREATION.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

The King James Version of the Bible translates this as:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]."

and

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."


If harm exists, and God created all that exists, didn't God create harm?

If God has all the power, what can harm besides God alone and ultimately?

In the earliest religious systems there was often no dualism of opposing forces, but just one power that controlled harm and benefit, it was to this God that people prayed, to avoid the harm and gain the benefit.

Amun which means "hidden" was a bodiless and imageless God, depicted symbolically in later years through the image of a king wearing a tall hat and being painted blue. Everyone was fully aware that this was not the image of God but a symbolic representation meant to describe the qualities of God. The tall feathers on the hat were meant to depict Amun's status as the "highest" and most supreme. The crown was meant to depict Amun's Kingship and status as the judge of the people who determines harm and benefit. The blue color was the color used for "shu" (the wind) and was meant to describe the nature of Amun being everywhere surrounding everything like the wind.

Amun was considered one, and all the netjer were considered attributes or areas of control of Amun the hidden one who is everywhere.

Egyptians worshipped in the same way as I described. Through purification and symbolic gestures of respect such as bowing, kneeling, and prostrating while praising Amun.

Other names of God were taken, but these were understood as attributes of the one God, and so could be combined, such as in the case of Amun-Ra, which means "The hidden and manifest".

That is just one example.

You have a choice:

Either you say that there is no such thing as harm, because God has not created harm, and God is the creator of everything, or you say, there is harm, and God has created it, because God has created everything.

I know it seems bad to say that God can harm people, and many people resist this statement these days, but it is important. It is to keep people away from creating other powers, powers that specifically harm. The simple religion is that there is one power, controlling every aspect of everything.

If you believe differently, can you explain your beliefs further?

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There is no need to travel anywhere to find God. Maybe some people have misunderstood pilgrimage as finding God, but generally I believe it was considered a devotional act, similar to traditional worship and ablution. Its basically making some effort to worship God, and to strive in the process, rather than an attempt to see or meet God who is everywhere anyway.

The problem with saying that God has a form or a body is that it makes God finite. A form is finite, it has limitations, boundaries, restrictions, that is how it is defined. The Bible, Qur'an, and even the Vedas are strict about there being no images made of God.

I believe it is best to say that God has no form as in limitations, physical boundaries, borders, or shape, but is infinite in every direction, un ending, limitless, free from all restrictions and borders, having no end in any direction, encompassing absolutely everything, everything being infinitely small in comparison.

To say that God has a form or a body, is not only getting close to idolatry, but is also to say that God is confined to limitations in form or shape, has defined edges or borders, is not infinite.

God is everywhere (omnipresent), and that seems to include having no borders where God is not.

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It is probably extremely important to understand the ancient use of symbolic language around the world, both to help people understand, and to describe things that were difficult to describe due to words and concepts lacking in the various cultures or languages that attempt to describe God and God's qualities. Many times the statements are meant to be poetic rather than literal.

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Angels are often called malahk in Hebrew, while Elohim is the word used for God.

The word Elohim is plural, but is always followed by singular conjuctions indicating it is referencing only one thing.

The 'im" added to Elohim (pronounced Uhlawheem, or Uhlawhim) is often thought of as a signifier for respect. It is also called "plural intensive". A plural intensive is used in some languages to indicate the greatness of something singular and is not meant as a literal plural. This is identified especially by looking at the words used around it which indicate a singular word is implied. So Elohim is one, the greatest God, Eloah, with a plural intensive addition to signify the greatness of this all powerful God and may also indicate the multitude of powers that the God has.

You can study the plural intensive in Elohim and about the indicators that show its intended to be singular.

There are other languages with plural intensives too. It is sometimes called Pluralis Intensivus.

The angels are called malahk usually, which means messenger. In greek the word angelos was used which also means messenger. Jesus was called arch angelos, meaning chief messenger.

The angels were traditionally understood as the servants and heralds of God, who were emissaries who brought messages from God.

It is important to maintain that God is without form or shape, infinite and borderless, unlike any creation. The angels are a creation of God, so God would be unlike them too, they being created and with limitations, while God is uncreated, without limations, and is the only thing that is uncreated and without limitations, having all the power absolutely.

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I didn't read this carefully but it might help:

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Misunderstan...efinitions

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Also this is an article about early Christian opinions:

http://www.catholic.com/library/God_Has_No_Body.asp

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Here is a good article:

http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim2.htm

If you go to part one it talks about plural intensives also. I really recommend it.

Some other articles mentioned other theories, these are not quotes from the above linked page:
"The second theory is that the plural pronouns are used as a "majestic plural." This type of language was typically used by royalty, but not exclusively. Biblical examples include Daniel's statement to Nebuchadnezzar, "We will tell the interpretation thereof before the king" (Daniel 2:36). Daniel, however, was the only one who gave the king the interpretation of his dream. King Artaxerxes wrote in a letter, "The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me" (Ezra 4:18). The letter was sent to Artaxerxes alone (Ezra 4:11), yet he said it was sent to "us," and was read before "me." Clearly the letter was only sent to, and read to Artaxerxes. When Artaxerxes penned another letter to Ezra he used the first person singular pronoun "I" in one place and the first person plural pronoun "we" in another (Ezra 7:13, 24)."

"Some Jewish scholars believe that the mystery of Genesis 1:26 can be solved grammatically. They suggest a "plural of deliberation," whereby the plural expresses God's pondering within himself, concentrating his thoughts and meditating over his decision. Rabbi Ammi said: "He took counsel with His own heart. It may be compared to a king who had a palace built by an architect, but when he saw it, it did not please him. With whom is he to be indignant? Surely with the architect! Similarly, 'And it grieved Him at His heart.'" (Genesis 6:6)

Several passages in Scripture describe a person deliberating by "consulting" some part of himself. In Psalm 42:5, the psalmist addresses his soul: "Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me?" Yet unlike Genesis 1:26, the psalmist uses the words "O my soul," and it is clear that he is deliberating within himself.

Another very popular contemporary explanation is the royal "we" or "plural of majesty." Just as Queen Victoria referred to herself in the plural ("We are not amused"), some say that God, as a majestic being, referred to himself the same way. It does not raise the question of other beings. It rules out the possibility of God having a plural nature. It seems to be based on good linguistic evidence and analysis."

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The three main theories are self deliberation, heavenly council of angels, and "royal we".

I don't believe the verses are of major concern. God is one, and nothing shares in the creative process of God, God can indicate to any that God is going to create something. Another theory was by a Rabbi who said that it depicted the humbleness of God to speak to other creations about the process.

In any case, it is very important to maintain that God alone creates, and nothing at all shares in this power or ability. If one says that there are other creators, they are saying there are other Gods.

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The verse seems to indicate that "image" or "likeness" is in reference to our dominion on Earth, as a "phantom/shadow" (which is one of the meanings of the word tselem) or likeness in similtude of God's dominion over everything.

Isaiah 45:5-9
I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is no other.

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

"You heavens above, rain down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness grow with it; I, the LORD, have created it.

"Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker, to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?

Romans 9:20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"

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The general topic is "The easy religion, religion in a nutshell" and the focus of the initial article is on the qualities of God.

The article was prompted by a few things, namely the complexity which some people introduce by believing in a multitude of powers or personalities, some that harm, some that do good, and other things that seem naturally wrong and unjust, such as saying that blood needs to be spilled or a death needs to occur in order to forgive people, when God can easily forgive anyone instantly without any such measures being required.

Others try to take traditional qualities away from God, the three main qualities being omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. Omnipotence refers to God having absolutely all power and authority over all things absolutely. This also refers to the absolute power of God in animating every aspect of reality itself. Omniscience refers to God having absolutely all the information in every form, God being the provider of all information and experience as well.

Omnipresence refers to the location of God, which is absolutely everywhere always, infinite and borderless without limitations. A similar quality is being "all pervading" meaning that nothing can block or hide from God who is surrounding and encompassing absolutely everything inside and out.

These three main qualities are associated with God throughout the world, history, and various religions. These terms may be modern, but the descriptions and understandings of God from the past describe these things as well.

Another important quality associated with God is creation. God created everything absolutely, and there was nothing before God. God created from nothing. This is called by some "ex nihilo" which can mean "from nothing". That leads us to another important quality: self-sufficiency. This means that God is entirely self sufficient, and requires nothing outside of itself to perform anything or maintain its activities. Something that is self sufficient requires nothing but itself.

An exercise to realize God is to remember how the air surrounds you, or to realize that you're literally immersed in God, as if you were immersed in an ocean that is endless. God is infinite, meaning that from where you are standing or sitting, God is surrounding you inside and out and reaching in all directions endlessly.

God is sometimes called the "ground" or "base" of all reality. If everything was to be stripped away, there would only be God.

God is imageless and formless. Forms and images require limitations, and God is entirely unbounded. If God had a color, everyone would be blind, because God is everywhere both near and far, inside and out, right infront of our eyes. If God was solid, there would be no space for anything at all anywhere.

Every single action that occurs is animated by God, and nothing can happen if God doesn't allow it to happen and make it happen.

If God was not active and alive, nothing would move or exist. Everything is being constantly sustained, maintained, and balanced by this God.

There are no different Gods, anything described with the same qualities is the same thing despite what language it is described in.

Many if not all of these qualities are mentioned in most religious scriptures or writings from even the earliest times.

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Yeah, its good that you believe in a singular God. There are many people who have attempted to try to pluralize God or say that there are many Gods and other things like that. These are often through misunderstandings of language and symbolism.

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So I basically believe, as do some Rabbis, that the image/likeness of God is a reference to the similarity of humans with the qualities of God, and especially the quality of dominion and judgment. That is also why it is likely that following the statements about the likeness, it talks about the dominion. Humans may be meant as created representatives, who are to rule and judge kindly and wisely, to do charity, and to follow some of the qualities of God where they are able, but are otherwise entirely unlike God because humans can not truly create, and are finite in every way, totally depending on God for everything while God depends on nothing.

As for unceasing prayer, I agree, but it is also too extreme to ask any human to be in a state of unceasing prayer. God created the systems of eating, sleeping, working, having sex, and all the normal life functions. To set aside time for the worship of God throughout the day is probably beneficial to ones wellbeing and focus, but we can only do what we are able. God knows what God created, so would God ask a creation to do what it can not do? I believe that God is very reasonable. The ancient people used to pray at various times of the day and then return to their work and businesses, I don't believe this was evil on their parts, they had to support their families and their own bodies with food and to behave normally.

This is about wine: http://bible-christian.org/wine.html it seems to make it clear that what is spoken about is non alcoholic, the word is not a reference to an alcoholic drink in the cases used.

" Proverbs 23:31 and 32 it commands, “Do not look on the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it swirls around smoothly; at the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like a viper.”

"Deuteronomy 32:33, it says fermented wine is poison. "

I don't think it is fair to say that killing is not allowed in cases of self defense. I agree that if one can avoid killing entirely it is excellent, but I believe that God is also reasonable, and if one has to kill someone before they kill you or your family it may be better than allowing injustice to occur without attempting to protect yourself or your family. These are dire circumstances which most may not encounter. In any case, one should always ask for forgiveness despite.

I agree that perhaps not all these things can be discerned by men. I believe that it is God that ultimately informs people and gives people correct discernment.

I believe that men and women are equally judged in the sense that the goodness of men and the goodness of women both counts in their favor, and one isn't given less than the other for their conduct.

"Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead" (Isaiah 26:19).

"Everlasting punishment is taught in Scripture for those who reject God's love that is revealed in Christ (Matt. 25:46; Dan. 12:2). In Matt. 25:46, the word aionion (translated "everlasting" and "eternal") applies to the destiny of both the saved and the lost. The final place of everlasting punishment is called the "lake of fire" (Rev. 19:20; 20:10,14,15)"

"In both Rabbinical Jewish and Early Christian writing, Gehenna was a destination of the wicked. This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, though the King James version of the Bible traditionally translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word Hell."

"The Book of Isaiah does not mention Gehenna by name, but the "burning place" 30:33 in which the Assyrian army is to be destroyed, may be read "Topheth", and the final verse of Isaiah which concerns the corpses of the same or a similar battle, Isaiah 66:24, "where their worm does not die" is cited by Jesus in reference to Gehenna in Mark 9:48."

Finally, the things that I was saying God only knows are the things that people we don't know have done in their lives and their intentions. I agree that there is ample indication of what has been traditionally considered wrong and right throughout scriptures.

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The reason for my saying that God does not require sacrifice is to affirm the statement that God does not require anything and has the power to forgive despite.

In the tradition of the "scapegoat" Jewish communities would sacrifice an animal in the name of God to forgive the community of their sins or errors, and it was usual that parts of the meat were eaten by the community. It was likely a gesture of sacrifice and devotion, that one is giving their lifestock in the name of God, similar to how charity might be considered giving away ones money in the name of God. These things may show a persons devotion and intent, but I also believe more strongly that God can forgive even those who ask, even those who are unable to make these sacrifices due to a lack of financies or ability.

To say that God has all the power, is to say that God is totally unrestricted when it comes to executing something. This means that God doesn't need to maneuver around things in order to get something done, God can do it instantly without restrictions.

To say that God sacrificed himself in a human form, or that God had a child and sacrificed it to cleanse mankind of their sins, seems to be saying that God is unjust and can not bypass some system, that the system is more powerful than God essentially. This would be a blasphemy.

The term used for Jesus was pais. This is translated as son, while the term also means "servant" or "minister to a King". God is not a human man that has a penis and mates with a woman to have a child. God is not the biological father of anyone, because God is not a human or an animal, has no sperm or genetics, nor requires such things in order to create. Just like Adam was created without a father, God can create without any partners or procreation.

To say that any man, or anything can carry the misdeeds of another, or that killing an innocent man or child can forgive the misconduct of evildoers is to promote what seems to be deep injustice.

So I say with some confidence, that God does not require blood sacrifices, but can forgive anyone anywhere under any circumstances if God wishes to do so. God can also choose not to forgive, despite whoever may have died, or whatever good anyone has done. This is because God alone holds all power, judgment, and authority in all matters ultimately, and there is no system more powerful than God or restricting God ultimately, God can do whatever God wants. Luckily, I also believe God is just and fair, and so rewards the good and punishes the evil for their misconduct.

I don't believe God says "a good person must pay in blood for the deeds of wrongdoers, though the good person has not done anything evil". Rather, God would give everyone exactly what they deserve based on their conduct and intent, the good would receive good, and the bad would receive bad. Fair, sensible, just.

The reason I wrote that part of the article is someone talked about the blood of Jesus coming from every pore and forgiving the sins of mankind. It is God who forgives, not blood letting, nor does God ask the good to pay for what evil people do. Nor does God ask anyone to carry the sins of another, nor can anyone carry the sins of another, but God can make everyone receive their recompense for whatever they have done in exact measure, completely free of injustice. God can also choose to forgive everyone.

Even though God can forgive everyone, would it be right for God to forgive the unjust and cruel? The ones who have terrorized and hurt, murdered and abused people? Would it be fair or right to give them death so that they can escape their deeds, or forgiveness so that they can receive equal to those who spent their lives striving in goodness, kindness, and charity? I believe God is fair, and will give each what they deserve, and whatever God decides, God alone has the power to decide and execute these things.

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So everyone will meet sheol (the grave) but will be ressurected, and will be placed in either the Kingdom of God which is paradise, or Gehenna which is the place where the people who did bad things go and stay, where they don't seem to die but are living in punishment basically.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna

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But why are people held responsible for a mistake that one person made (Adam). What do you mean when you say God impregnated Mary? God can create anything in anyones womb, even without a father, but that doesn't mean that God provided his own sperm, or that God mated with Mary.

Is it fair to say that a child is held responsible for what crimes the father has comitted, or the mother?

Is it fair to say that an innocent, newborn baby is a criminal because an ancient ancestor disobeyed God's instructions?

We agree that God is just, so how are these things justified in any way?

How can one say that what is done without my control or awareness is my fault, or the blame is on me? If your grandfather did something evil, why should I get the blame, let alone a baby who was just born.

How can one say that an innocent man's violent death is the way that criminals can be forgiven for what their ancestors have done?

So yes, even I agree that God could create any number of absurd systems, but I don't think that God has created such a system.

I don't believe that God counts the crimes of our ancestors against those who have not done the crimes themselves. I don't think God blames innocent babies and children for anything done by people they never even knew, nor even the crimes of their own parents, nor even the crimes of their own children.

I don't believe that God has created a system whereby the blood of an innocent man is required to forgive sins of unrepenting criminals, nor even to forgive the sins of repenting criminals.

I do believe Jesus was a human as you said, and that the term "son of God" was used for others as well and was not a literal statement, and that the greek word used was pais which also means servant.

I don't believe God personally impregnated Mary with his own sperm or biological material because God is not a biological entity or a creation. I don't believe God designed a specific kind of sperm for himself specifically for this event either, or that God created specific biological material that was meant to be his own in order to share it with Mary.

I believe God created Jesus in the womb of Mary, similar to how God creates everything, and forms and shapes everything. God can create the x and the y chromosomes without any problem, and this does not mean that half of the genetic material is God's own.

I don't believe God is the literal father or mother of anyone, because fathers and mothers need one another to create, they create through a crude process of intercourse, and God creates from nothing, manifesting things without any pre existing materials.

So God created Jesus in Mary's womb, formed Jesus, and Mary gave birth to Jesus as God had willed. Jesus spoke the word of God as God had willed, and Jesus was strongly devoted to God, never asking to be worshipped himself, but devoutly worshipping God by bowing and prostrating as I described in my initial article.

In some ancient cultures, the term "father" was used to mean "master", by servants, and even children considered their fathers or a specific ancestor or relative the master of the household.

So I strictly believe the following:

God creates alone without partners or helpers. God alone can create, and needs no help.

God is no a human being.

God created Jesus the Messiah (annointed one) who was the messenger to the B'nei Israel at that time. God created Jesus from nothing, inside the womb of Mary, it is unknown if he used her egg, or just started the process at another stage. I do not believe God is the literal Father of any human. God created the image of Jesus however God wanted to, but Jesus would have no face or body if meant to literally resemble God.

Jesus never proclaimed to be the literal son of God, but the servant and minister of God, who came to correct the B'nei Israel (Children of Israel) in some matters and bring them back to the one religion. Jesus and Mary never asked to be worshipped, nor do they have the power to answer prayers or do anything themselves, God alone does everything.

The blood of things, even the blood of Jesus has nothing to do with the disobedient conduct of any evildoer, nor can spilling the blood of Jesus forgive any unrepenting, or repenting criminal.

It is unfair to say that the blood of an innocent man is required to forgive sin, when sin can be forgiven without injustice being performed.

It is unfair to say that a child who has done nothing, is blamed for the crimes of their parents or ancient ancestors. It is similarly unfair to say that the blood of that innocent child spilled will somehow forgive evil people for their crimes.

Gehenna is the place of residence for the evil people after ressurection, they will not be allowed to escape their crimes through ceasing to exist, nor will they be forgiven by the blood of an innocent man or child in order to live in an equal condition with those who strived to do good, repented, and avoided harmful conduct.

The good people will be ressurected as well and will reside peacefully in paradise, the Kingdom of God on Earth.

God can repay people for their conduct without any strange systems.

The simple and sensible system is that God repays good for good, bad for bad, forgives the sincere repenter, and knows the intent of everyone.

Please don't give up on me though, you can tell me more!

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Why would (How could?) a loving and just God make animals and human beings who did not hear the message of God cease to exist for merely their lack of hearing it?

The eternal punishment seems to be mentioned multiple times in the Bible, at least the New Testament, under the name Gehenna. A burning garbage heap may have been named in reference to it, but it was definitely described as a place where people go as a punishment after the ressurection and where they can't die but will remain.

I do believe God is just in that whoever receives such a punishment would probably deserve it. I really think it is much more unfair that anyone should cease to exist for not hearing the correct message, or that animals are just never to return.

I don't have a trouble with souls, and I don't believe they are "immortal", I don't believe in human ghosts, I believe that God can make anyone live forever if God wants, and I think everyone will return and be ressurected. I believe that God provides the message to everyone and does not blame those who did not hear it, and so if a child dies before they hear the message, they are innocent and won't be blamed, they will exist in paradise, not ceasing to exist.

I don't believe it is better to be killed than to kill in self defense or defense of one's family, nor do I believe God asks people to make such drastic decisions in regards to their own lives. Rather, if one must kill to immediately protect their child, it is better seeming to me, than to let the murderer kill the child or to kill you if you have to provide for a child in the hope that perhaps the murderer will be a good person someday. Ultimately, I also believe nobody dies any earlier than the exact time they are supposed to die, since God controls every aspect of reality and experience.

I don't believe that eternal punishment is the antithesis to God's character, but that God provides a place of residence even to those who did evil, though the place is one that exactly matches the nature and seriousness of their conduct.

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But God had the ability to provide them the message during their lifetime. If God didn't provide the message, why are they obliterated for what God didn't show them.

I believe the message in some form reaches absolutely everyone, and that everyone will be judged by God based on their conduct and circumstances, even if they were entirely physically deaf and blind and never saw or heard the message.

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Human beings exercise dominion now on Earth, as exemplified by their eating animals, riding horses and other similar things. Humans are basically and obviously the dominant seeming species on the Earth. It is best for us to worship God who has true dominion over everything. I don't think our objective is to become Gods, nor is that possible because there is only one God. I believe that the evildoers will get what they deserve, those who didn't hear the message if there are such people will still be judged according to their circumstances, and may be forgiven, or may not be forgiven, while the good people will also be repaid for the good they did, and all is fair and just in the end. If it is not, God still has the power to make any decision, but God's decisions are the best informed, because God is omniscient, having all the information both seen and unseen.

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Thank you for typing all that! I truly appreciate everything you've said and your thorough responses.

I believe that there is no such thing as "nature" or "mother nature" as some call it, but that God controls every birth, forms every face and body, makes every decision in nature and animates all nature as well.

I believe Jesus was special because Jesus was created without a father, Jesus was the messenger of God, Jesus was the Messiah (annointed one, the King in the line of David that the B'nei Israel were waiting for).

I think that many references about Gehenna in the New Testament wouldn't work if evil people aren't ressurected and brought forth to live again in order to experience Gehenna.

The wikipedia article mentions some of the following:

New TestamentGehenna is cited in the New Testament. In early Christian writing it represents the final place where the wicked will be punished or destroyed after the Resurrection of the Dead.

In the synoptic gospels Jesus uses the word Gehenna 11 times to describe the opposite to life in the Kingdom (Mark 9:43-48).[16] It is a place where both soul and body could be destroyed (Matthew 10:28) in "unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43).

Gehenna is also mentioned in the Epistle of James 3:6, where it is said to set the tongue on fire, and the tongue in turn sets on fire the entire "course" or "wheel" of life.

The complete list of references is as follows:

Matt.5:22 whoever calls someone "you fool" will be liable to Gehenna.
Matt.5:29 better to lose one of your members than that your whole body go into Gehenna.
Matt.5:30 better to lose one of your members than that your whole body go into Gehenna.
Matt.10:28 rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
Matt.18:9 better to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna.
Matt.23:15 Pharisees make a convert twice as much a child of Gehenna as themselves.
Matt.23:33 to Pharisees: you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to Gehenna?
Mark 9:43 better to enter life with one hand than with two hands to go to Gehenna.
Mark 9:45 better to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna.
Mark 9:47 better to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna
Luke 12:5 Fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into Gehenna
James 3:6 the tongue is set on fire by Gehenna.
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It also mentions one where it says "the worm does not die" in reference to the state of people there.

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I think the safest thing to say is that God is likely to judge everyone according to what they did and their circumstances. That God is in control of all lives and all deaths, and that we can only hope and pray for God's mercy. I really hope that God does not obliterate all the animals and children, so many people love their animals and children.

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I do refer to God's omniscience, and I do believe that God knows best. If the Bible said some blasphemy against God though, I don't know if I would swallow it just because it was written in the Bible.

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There are some people who don't want to believe in eternal punishment, and there are some who do, both provide evidence for their cases.

I understand Gehenna may have also been a literal place, or a literal place was called that, but many references to Gehenna are talking about a future residence. The worm dieth not is another reference to immortality in these cases, eternal punishment also seems pretty clear. Despite these things, our best option is to try to avoid even encountering such a place if it exists.

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I believe we have witnesses (angels) that will probably testify against us later at the time of judgment or at least show their record of what we did to further confirm it.

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Thank you.

Do you think this is wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypsistarians

After describing his difficulties with mainstream religion, Goethe laments that

...I have found no confession of faith to which I could ally myself without reservation. Now in my old age, however, I have learned of a sect, the Hypsistarians, who, hemmed in between heathens, Jews and Christians, declared that they would treasure, admire, and honour the best, the most perfect that might come to their knowledge, and inasmuch as it must have a close connection to the Godhead, pay it reverence. A joyous light thus beamed at me suddenly out of a dark age, for I had the feeling that all my life I had been aspiring to qualify as a Hypsistarian. That, however, is no small task, for how does one, in the limitations of one's individuality, come to know what is most excellent?[1]

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So what do you believe qualifies a person for the Kingdom of Heaven, and what must they believe?

The monotheism of Zeus and other similar monotheists existed through central asia and countries connected to Greece as well. The early Zoroastrians who were also a possible influence were also monotheists believing in the one God Ahura Mazda whose qualities were the same in general as to those I described in the initial article.

The reason the article was called "Easy Religion in a Nutshell", was to show some of the common qualities in monotheistic belief systems.

The question is, does one who worships the one God by another name, fail for doing so? Isn't the one God aware of everyone, and would count to their credit their efforts?

What is the essential religion? To me, it seems that the most important elements have been monotheism and worship. If one masters the concept of monotheism and performs worship, do you think that they will be blamed or obliterated?

I'm not suggesting that every religion is ok, or that people just picking and choosing is enough, but what do you think?

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WRT A/C  Wrote: (05-11-2011 04:59 AM)
Freedom Stands  Wrote: (05-11-2011 04:31 AM)
Thank you so much for sharing these notes, you've really written an immense amount, and its all really fascinating! Thank you!
God is amazing....

God is creation....

WE are His creation....

ALL good things commith from God....

In the beginning..God created the Heavens and the Earth...

And it was "GOOD"...

All of creation,that God created was good....

Geniuses......


Only God is good.....

Some people might confuse statements like "God is creation" to mean that the creation is God. God is traditionally understood by most religions and ancient beliefs as the creator. The creation is usually considered the product of God's creative power. The creation may be made of God, from God, and by God, but if there was no creation, there would still be God. If there was no God, there would be no creation or activity, only nothing at all always and forever. Clearly there is something, creation, and so God is what made all this and also sustains it all.

Pantheism is the belief that everything is God. This is true, in that God is all there is ultimately, and everything is made by God, from God, depending entirely on God in order to move and exist. But is the rock or the flower God?

So Panentheism is better seeming to me and different from Pantheism.

Panentheism (pan en theism) is the belief that all is within God. God is what we exist within, and what the Universe exists within. If there was truly nothing, there would be no space or place for anything to exist, and nothing could exist or be produced, as nothing can only do nothing.

Everything exists within God, and if everything was gone, and all creation was wiped away, there would still be God, and if there was never a God there would not be anything, and if God ceases to exist, so too would everything as it can't exist without God, nor can "nothing" do anything.

EXPLAINING GOD THROUGH REASON
UPDATED! ONLY LOGICAL NECESSITY

http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php...pid9676287
THE EASY RELIGION
http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=59014
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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
HeidiLore  Wrote: (02-23-2011 09:22 AM)
The Gods are my guides; I shall not want.
Their counsel and friendship quicken my soul.
Right roads I walk for the sake of their names.
And though I should walk in the valley of darkness,
I shall not fear, for they are with me,
their help is my staff, their presence comforts me.

They prepare my table in the face of my foes
and fill my cup to the brim;
Their blessings and company I will enjoy
all days of my life and beyond.
The Aesir and Vanir will be my Gods
forever as long as I live.

Hey, y'all didn't specify. chuckle

The Aesir and Vanir are cognate to the sanskrit Asuras and Devas, and the persian Ahuras and Daevas.

Ultimately, as ancient vedic literature shows, these are all attributes and functions of the supreme God and not truly independent entities or beings.

The information about the ancient proto-germanic religion does not come from direct sources:

Here is one of the earliest accounts by an observer:

"In this temple, entirely decked out in gold, the people worship the statues of three gods in such wise that the mightiest of them, Thor, occupies a throne in the middle of the chamber; Wotan and Frikko have places on either side. The significance of these gods is as follows: Thor, they say, presides over the air, which governs the thunder and lightning, the winds and rains, fair weather and crops. The other, Wotan—that is, the Furious—carries on war and imparts to man strength against his enemies. The third is Frikko, who bestows peace and pleasure on mortals. His likeness, too, they fashion with an immense phallus."

- Gesta Hammaburgensis 26, Tschan's translation

These seem to represent the important aspects of life for that culture, and the areas which they most wanted the favor of God. Favorable weather was most important to the people, both on land and sea, while war and peace were at both sides of the weather. The weather could also represent the emotional weather, and thus favor either war (death) or peace (fertility), and so was in the middle.

The positioning could have also been used for the practice of divination, to see what the God wanted.

The understanding of most polytheistic religions by the priesthoods managing the practices was generally that there was an ultimate all pervading power, which had many expressed manifestations of will such as weather, war(death), and peace(fertility).

Again, the names of the God were not really names so much as references to attributes and connected to the areas that God controls!

Ultimately, the proto-germanic religion links back to the sanskrit religion, which we can see through the vedas which also held the view I described and explained clearly the oneness of the ultimate and only true power, of which Thor, Wodan, and Frikka, are just names.

I've listed other names of God in the pages prior from various religions.

Thank you so much for that beautiful prayer! I hope the information I've provided here hasn't offended you at all!

I think that all the religions are almost entirely compatible through this viable system and understanding.

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LIFE SPEAKING  Wrote: (02-23-2011 11:17 AM)
he doesnt really care what you call him....
just call him....
god bless all you guys today.....
its a blanket prayer....
i got credits......
thats how god rolls...............
god is not what you make him from the translations.....
god is what you make you,,,,,
you are god, in all his glory.....
in all his vigor....
make him proud.....
goodday all...and godbless...

Ok! I strongly agree with the first part of what you said. That God knows your beliefs and intentions, and the various names are all descriptive of the same God (if anyone is interested in finding out more about that check out the pages prior to this).

I wouldn't go so far as to say "you are God, in all his glory", since I don't think it is appropriate according to most religions to say something like that. We can represent the glory of God through glorifying God and also doing nice things as compared to nasty thing all for the glory of God alone.

I wouldn't say that the ocean is God, or the stars are God, or any of that, but rather that God encompasses all these things, sustains them, and animates them. Ultimately they are made from God, originated by God, and existing because of God.

They aren't God though, they are just things, nor are they any required parts of God, since they can cease to exist without harming God.

This is the difference between pantheism and panentheism.

pantheism is the belief that literally everything is God. While this is probably true in a sense, ultimately nothing is God but God, and those things can stop to exist and are under the authority of God.

panentheism is the belief that all is within God, encompassed by God. This is the belief system that most religions present.

So nothing is God but God alone who encompasses, creates, and sustains everything, and can destroy anything too.

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I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread so far! Thank you for sharing all your wonderful ideas!

If you guys want to know something else a little interesting.

The Iranian people are more similar to the Nordic people in religion because of their preference for the Ahura faction (Aesir) over the Daevas or Vanir.

The divine between the early aryans was between those who were devoted to the Asura and those who were devoted to the Daevas. Really it was practically the same system but the Asuras were considered older than the Daevas.

It seems what might have happened was that the devotees to the Daevas pushed out those devoted to the Asuras and led them to move across much of the world.

Odin, Thor, and Frigg, the early triad of Norse religion belonged to the Aesir faction which is cognate to the Ahuras respected in Zoroastrianism.

Surprisingly, it was still a monotheistically justifiable system before reinterpreted by Christianity and those rediscovering it, though it is possible followers also misunderstood the earliest aryan principles which can be found in the earliest vedas and zoroastrian scriptures.

So yeah, there is a whole lot of fun stuff for those interested in history, religion, and mythology.

I take mythology pretty seriously, and don't try to discard the ancient past as just ridiculous tall tales. I think ancient people were pretty smart and understood things that are thought to be literal falsehood now as philosophical and poetic truth.

Persian and Nordic culture also has a strong tradition in poetry that is likely related to their aryan heritage and united culture.

It is kind of sad that there is trouble now between both, it is likely that the Iranians don't even know much about their shared culture with the "west".

LIFE SPEAKING  Wrote: (02-23-2011 07:54 PM)
:jptdknpa:OH DEAR LORDS OF THE INDIAN ASIAN KITCHENS HERE IN HOUSTON...
PLEASE LIMIT THE AFFECTS THE THE SOUR SPRING ROLLS I JUST CONSUMED.... PLEASE SILENCE THE ROAR OFTHE BEAST COMING FROM WITHIN MY BOWELS.. OH GREAT SPRING ROLL GODS I KNEEL BEFORE YOU IN AGONY...PLEASE LIMIT MY PAIN.... RELEASE THE GAS OH GREAT GODS...
FREE THE DEMONS OH GREAT INDIAN ASIAN KITCHEN GODS...
THE END... PS... IT WORKED... BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...

This made me giggle!!!!!

Thank you! That was a good one.

I'm thinking about Odin, Thor, and Frigg now, as well as the others in that pantheon. I wanted to write one back when Heidilore mentioned them and I explained a theory in relation to understanding the proto-germanic concepts, so I might come with that soon. I'm also kind of inspired by the religious nature of the Warhammer games and the Hordes of Chaos who have come out of the warp. The Marauders were really religious and talking about God really respectfully and I liked it lots.

I'd also like to look up a prayer to Amun to show how the ancient Egyptians might have viewed Amun as he was considered among other things to be very loving of the poor and those in need.

So I might not do it, since I'm making music and stuff, but I'd like to write a proto-germanic prayer, prayer to amun, hindu styled prayer, hellenistic prayer, roman prayer, celtic prayer.

Now that I've overwhelmed myself, I might not do any.

Basically if I did, the point I'd try to put across is that each of those different names is not a different individual but a different title and attribute of the one God. This is the ancient vedic understanding, and the religion of the aryan people as well as their language (called the indo-european language family, and rooted in sanskrit) spread across all the "western" world, including greecian, roman, germanic, and celtic lands.

It is all supposed to be one group of people with some very related major concepts, that also ultimately relate to the asian families of religions and the semitic and african families of religions which might seem different at first but in their earliest incarnations all seemed to have the same understanding as the aryan concepts in the vedas, that there is only one power and that it is God alone, and all the others are descriptions of the attributes and functions of God.

The priests at least understood this, if not the people, but it is likely the people may have understood this as well. It was only a Christianised Western reinterpretation of the past that might have led to a misidentification of the Gods as actual diverse beings. There is some evidence to suggest that believing in diverse beings existed in ancient times, but there was always monotheism and a monotheistic understanding as well.

LysaStrata  Wrote: (05-10-2011 02:20 AM)
In essence, you have described God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

though you are wrong about a few points--and you have missed the point of human existence in these errors

Thanks for your comment! Feel free to elaborate.

Jack Hammer  Wrote: (05-19-2011 07:39 AM)
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-19-2011 07:23 AM)
I think the word manifestation often brings to mind the idea of actually appearing, similar to incarnation. What you're saying is fine though. The behavior of Jesus was certainly righteous and good, and would remind people of religious conduct and perhaps led them to become more religious and things.

How does that concept play a role in modern circumstance... why do we not see a situation where all that is good takes a big show trip to correct us... well ya know ... why not stop all the sh*t that is wrong ? why let it continue ...

seeing as only you folks have the real answers and a power that is beyond us mortal clumsy folk... can you lay out a sure fired plan that will insure that my friends will not burn in hell ...? I worry about my buddies...

Cheers

Great question. I understand you may not be entirely serious, but I'll answer anyway as best I can.

The worst possible end result is eternal hell.

Most religions suggest the same things to avoid it, even if the nature of the punishment seems slightly different between the religions.

They nearly all suggest worshipping God and doing good deeds.

The traditional way of worshipping was like what I wrote about earlier, there is one religion that is known for doing it more than others, but it was standard across the world in ages past.

The good deeds were usually always the same, charity, kindness, patience, fasting at certain times, sincerity, and things like that.

It is unknown if hell exists or will exist at any time.
It is unknown what happens after death to the dead person if anything at all.

It is not wise to bet on nothing happening if something is going to happen.
It is not wise to bet on something happening that couldn't be prepared for.

It is not useful to bet that the worst possible thing will happen without any hope of avoiding it.

It is useful to bet that the worst possible thing will happen while having hope that the worst possible thing can be avoided, and working towards avoiding it.

The method prescribed by the majority has generally been the same throughout history.

The idea is that whatever has power over your future is what can be relied upon to save you from any trouble then.

It does not help to not call upon God, expecting that there is no such thing that would listen to you.

It is unwise to expect that you'll be saved from any trouble without even attempting anything to prevent trouble.

It is useless to call upon what has no control over anything.

God can be defined as whatever has control over everything past, present and future.

There may be no such thing, but expecting there to be no such thing does not help if there is such a thing that you didn't call upon because you thought there was no such thing.

Your only hope then is to call upon whatever has all the power, God, and to ask it for help, to worship it, and to do good.

It is unknown if it dislikes worship, all religions indicate that it likes and appreciates thanks and worship.

It may be that all religions are wrong, but there is no way for you to know that in this case.

Call upon the ultimate power, the all powerful God, and be respectful. If it is true that it has immense power over your fortune and misfortune in the present and future, it is wise to approach it carefully, with fear and respect.

It is this hypothetical power that can save you from a hypothetical hell. Worship it in the traditional manner throughout the day, live your normal functional life, find opportunities to do good and charity, and die in submission to this power, and hope for the best.

In the end, you may never wake up, or you may discover that it was nothing that could have been anticipated, or you may discover that you had wagered correctly, worshipped the powerful one, and may be favored in the afterlife.

Believing in universal salvation does not benefit a person, because doing this or that doesn't matter, you'll be saved anyway if its true, and you'll be mistaken if you find its not true.

Believing in reincarnation does not benefit a person, because doing this or that doesn't matter, you'll be reincarnated if it is true, or you'll find that you're mistaken if it is not true.

Believing in ceasing to exist at death does not benefit a person, because doing this or that doesn't matter, you'll never live again if it is true, or you'll find that you're mistaken if it is not true.

Believing in hell and paradise benefits a person, because doing this or that does matter, if you never live again you've only lived a life doing good, and if you were right you will be rewarded and will have avoided or at least attempted to avoid the punishment of hell.

Believing in a God who does not interfere with people does not benefit a person, because doing this or that doesn't matter, if you are right then it never mattered, and if you are wrong you will have been mistaken and may be potentially punished.

Believing in a God who only loves and forgives does not benefit a person, because doing this or that doesn't matter, if you are right then God forgives you, and if you are wrong, you will not have prepared for the God that punishes.

Believing in an inferior God does not benefit a person, because the Ultimate with all the power should be relied on and called upon, never anything less than the Ultimate in every way (Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Infinite). If you are wrong and there was a greater God then you would have been mistaken. You should call upon the greatest of the great, of which there is no greater possibility.

Believing in a God that only harms does not benefit a person, because it leaves a person with no hope, and if they were wrong then they never worked towards the mercy and beneficial aspect of the God.

Believing in a God that does no harm does not benefit a person, because then it is harmless and is not a threat to be concerned about. If one discovers they were wrong, they may not have worked to avoid the harmful aspect of the God.

It is wise to believe and anticipate the possibility of a God that has power over both harm and benefit, it leaves a person with the hope to work towards the beneficial aspect, and to avoid the harmful aspect, if it is false, a person has only done good to gain good from the God, and if it is true, then a person has worked to defend themselves from harm.

So there is only one wise religion. It estimates potential harm and potential benefit, and has an ultimate power that controls the harm and the benefit and one has hope to work for the benefit, and defense to work against the harm. Perfect religion.

If the God will only listen to an intercessor, the intercessor is the true holder of power. If the God dislikes people trying to use intercessors, the person will be in trouble for trying to make partners or claim that another has power besides God. So it is God alone to be called upon, God being defined as the Ultimate and All Powerful that Knows everything, is everywhere, and is infinite without limitations.

All religions generally promote the same one God, with the same qualities, but then have additional things which render it pointless to follow, such as reincarnation, or whatever else.

The religion to bet on will have lots of back up, will give only one chance (because if there are more chances, thats great, but you should be working like there is only one just in case there is really only one), have the worst possible punishment, the most powerful God, and does not radically oppose the religions of the past, but has been indicated to people throughout history. This is one religion, it is submission to God through worship and good deeds, and it is a real religion, not one that I've just invented, and it has existed throughout the ages, and it practiced by many to this day.

Jack Hammer  Wrote: (05-19-2011 09:25 AM)
Why does god let bad things happen to good people?

I had a 3 year old ask me that ... I couldn't answer it can you?

Never judge a book by its cover... I understand that you may not be entirely serious or knowledgeable but I will ask you anyway ...Cheers

Thanks for the question.

I don't know why God does anything at all. I could say its a test, or that they were strong enough to handle it, or that things are exactly how they should be. Ultimately, I feel God could really have it any way, and that it didn't need to be this way or that way.

It doesn't matter to me really why God does this or that so much as knowing that God can do this or that and nobody can really stop God from doing this or that. It leaves us with one hope, and that is to stay on the good side of God, so even if God harms us at times in this life for whatever reason, we may still have a chance of gaining good later.

From my personal experience, whenever anything bad happens, I fall back on God, and through God I feel peace and consolation. Rather than getting angry at God for whatever is done, I thank God and state that whatever God decides is best, and God is the wisest and greatest, and God knows best. It is also God who can repair any injury, return the dead to us in the afterlife, or anything else. So why reject what may potentially be our only source of ultimate relief?

Why God does anything doesn't matter so much to me, but just that God alone has all the power, God can harm and destroy without reason or explanation, or can give gifts without justification, and so it is through God that we hope to prosper and defend ourselves from harm.

So why do good people experience bad things? I don't know, but I believe God knows, and can even do that without reason, and there is no hope besides God alone, nor any power that can do harm or good besides God ultimately.

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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
If anyone has taken the time to read through what I've written here, please feel free to leave a comment, I'd really appreciate it!

Some more quotes:

Yes, and if all creation was made to be nothing, as you said "In the beginning, there was God"

That means, despite creation, before creation, there was God, and yes I agree God animates everything. God is what we exist within, but even if there was no creation, and even when there was no creation, there was still God.
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Please read the numerous quotes I've provided that have covered some of the important issues we've discussed.

Hinduism is somewhat well known these days for being a monotheistic religion to the surprise of some people. The various Gods are considered symbolic representations of the One God. At times they are considered avatars, which is like an illusionary manifestation of God rather than a real bodily manifestation or incarnation.

Before modern hinduism, there were the vedas, the vedas are monotheistic and speak against idolatry. I've provided quotes. I have provided quotes so that you know I'm not making it up, but that these things are actually written. If one practices their own form of religion and disregards what the vedas say, then why are we blaming the entire religion?

Hinduism is an umbrella or blanket term for a variety of religions, each of which are monotheistic.

Some call the one God, Shiva. Others call the one God Vishnu, and yet others call the one God Brahman. The followers of the Brahman and the Vedas are called Smrti, Smartism.

The followers of Shiva are called Shaivite. The followers of Vishnu of Vishnaivite.

The Vedas are clear that all these names are just attributes and names for the one God. I've provided quotes in pages prior.

Zoroastrianism is monotheistic. Some of the last remaining Zoroastrians are living in India. The earliest form of Zoroastrianism was clearly and strictly monotheistic, and the monotheism has lasted in the names (attributes) of Ahura Mazda meaning Wise Lord, the One God.

I've provided quotes from the Bible, I hope you read every quote I provided recently, I even posted it again on the front page, to show various qualities of God as described in the Bible. It seems to be saying pretty clearly that God is how I initially described God in the first article, and we get to read about the body and the Jewish opinions as well near the bottom. These things may assist you in your studies as they have also helped me to learn what the Bible says about God.

Islam is strictly monotheistic as well, I've provided some attributes and quotes from the Qur'an, it covers a full range of strictly monotheistic quotes.

What motivated this sudden burst of quote dropping was a message I received by someone confused about a certain word in another language.

I wanted to show that just because another language is used, doesn't mean it is describing a different thing.

Isn't it silly to think that an apple isn't an apple if it is called pomme? We know a thing by its description, the words used are meant to describe.

Allah is not some strange name for God. It means The God. It is pronounced Uhllah or Uhllaw, just like other semitic language variants.

There are numerous words for God around the word. In ancient Han China, they called the one monotheistic God "Shangdi" or "Shang Ti", this is not a name, this is a title meaning "Above Sovereign". That God is highest and higher than the Emperor.

Do you know how Shangdi was worshipped? People performed ablution and then bowed and prostrated themselves (kowtow) to Shangdi, no idols were made. This is our God. During the bowing and prostration, praises and prayers were said to the God with the utmost respect, this was the religion of ancient China.

Do you know how the ancient egyptians worshipped God? They performed the ablution (cleansing) and bowed and prostrated and kneeled while saying praises and prayers.

Do you know how the non Buddhist Tibetans prayed and pray? Same way.

Do you know how the ancient Hindus worshipped? Exactly the same. Even the Indus civilization which was before the Vedic civilization had waterways and baths in homes because of the importance of cleansing themselves for worship.

Amun was not only the God of Egypt, but the Berbers and other african tribes called God Amun as well, and the word means "hidden" or "invisible", "unseen".

The Romans used to cleanse themselves and seek the favor of The Numen, the all pervading power.

Zeus comes from the word Deus, meaning God. In Latvian traditional religion God is singular and as I've described, all the proto aryan people worshipped Deu, and in the way I've described too.

These things in time fell out of favor, as happens with time, but revivals kept happening.

Do you know how the ancient Jewish people used to worship? I think you probably do. They would cleanse themselves and bow down and prostrate. Now some people lay themselves flat on the floor, but there are some Jewish people around the world who still worship in the ancient fashion and there are pictures too of course, and besides pictures, there are ancient assyrian wall sculptures that depict the Jewish way of praying, and ancient sumerian statues that show the sumerians also worshipping like this.

Just like Hinduism, much of the time people have misunderstood the qualities of the one God as various Gods, this especially happened when Christians went around the world trying to make Christianity seem especially unique and exclusive and didn't seek any justification or correction of ancient religions.

But like Brahman priests, or Roman Flamens (same root), it was understood that these were all attributes of the one God.

There are engravings in Greek that also state all the "gods" are merely attributes of the One.

All the Netjer from Egypt were attributes of the One God.

There is only One God, this is the essential religion across the world, and religion is not merely belief as you've said, but action, and the action was to worship this one God with reverence. So even in Japan they cleanse themselves and worship with the same respect, bowing and prostration, though now some may have confused the One for Many, when poetic and symbolic attributes are mistaken for individuals.

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You can see in the quotes where it talks about the omnipresence of God. Nothing can exist where God is not. How much more vile is misconduct in the presence of God? Do you really think God does not know or see these things? Do you really think God is not present everywhere, filling everyplace and supporting it? If you read the quotes I've provided you'll see some of what the Bible says.

Even if it was said "God is a man who is not everywhere, and can not see or hear some things" I would have to deny that stuff as total blasphemy, corruption, or severe misunderstanding. Luckily, most religious scriptures don't say such things, but rather repeat the same qualities of God over and over across the world.

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Christ means annointed one, messiah means the same thing, it related to the human line of Kings such as King David and King Solomon. Jesus was the next and final King in the line of Kings to the B'nei Israel.

God is the Master of Jesus. Jesus was the servant of God who spoke the word of God which is what messengers of God do. Jesus worshipped God, Jesus was the Christ. Jesus was born miraculously as a sign to the people of his special role.

God is depicted in the Bible worshipping God as I've described.

The Kings of ancient Han China also worshipped God in this way and were considered the servants of God.

The words for son and servant and master and father in Greek were interchanging. Jesus was the literal son of nobody but Mary who was in the line of David. God is the literal father of nobody because God is not a human. The Bible says clearly that God is not a human and describes God if you look at the quotes I've provided above. God does not create through procreation or mating like humans, God creates out of nothing because God has no needs or requirements in order to create. God simply wills something or metaphorically says "Be" and it is. Manifesting and forming what are called "creations". What creates creations is called a "Creator". God is the only creator, the only one who can create from nothing.

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Like you said, there is essentially only God, but creation has not always existed, and creation is constantly in flux, creation is within God, and creation is even made of God, but if creation did not exist, God still would exist and is in the image of nothing, invisible, not blackness in a void of space, or whiteness of real light, but absolutely nothing but God, the unique, like nothing else.

So yes, even creation is made of God, existing within God, but if God were to destroy absolutely everything in creation, there would still be God. This means that even though everything is existing within God and is made of God, the things are not God in of themselves, and God can get rid of them without any difficulty.

So God is infinite, ever existing, with no beginning, essentially all there ever was and ever is is God, but these things were created within God, by God, for God, of God, and can be destroyed by God without difficulty, and even if all creation ceased to exist, God would still exist. If God ceased to exist, nothing would exist ever or ever again. This is because nothing can not do or support anything.

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"A number of oracles of Apollo from Didyma and Clarus, the so-called "theological oracles", dated to the 2nd and 3rd century AD, proclaim that there is only one highest god, of whom the gods of polytheistic religions are mere manifestations or servants.[27] Similarly, the cult of Dionysus as practiced in Cyprus seems to have developed into strict monotheism by the 4th century; together with Mithraism and other sects the cult formed an instance of "pagan monotheism" in direct competition with Early Christianity during Late Antiquity.[28]"
^ Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, s.v. "Apollo".
^ E. Kessler, Dionysian Monotheism in Nea Paphos, Cyprus: "two monotheistic religions,

"The father of Gregory of Nazianzus belonged to such a sect in his youth, and they are described in his panegyric written by his son. They rejected idols and non-Abrahamic sacrifices, and acknowledged the Creator (pantokrator) and the Most High, to whom however, in opposition to the Christians, they refused the title of "Father";"

"a great number of votive tablets, inscriptions and oracles of Didymos and Klaros establish beyond doubt that the cult of the Hypsistos (Hypsistos, with the addition of Theos 'god' or Zeus or Attis, but frequently without addition) as the sole and supreme God was widespread in the countries adjacent to the Bosphorus (cf. Acts 16:17, "these men are servants of the most high God" -- oracle of the pythonissa at Philippi)."

"The One" (Τὸ Ἕν) is a concept that arises in Platonism and you can also check out some of the monotheistic ideas in there.

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The word creation means what is created. What is created is created by a creator. God is traditionally understood as the creator that is uncreated. This is called by some as the "uncaused cause". Creation doesn't create, but is itself what is created by a creator. These are words and how they are usually understood and used.

Matter is what the universe was made out of, and from a little compressed ball of matter the universe expanded. Thats as far as science has taken us. Before the little ball of matter there had to be intricate systems to allow it to exist, physical laws, the skeleton and basis of possibility. Before even that was the "Creator" who brought all these things into creation in phases.

This universe did not always exist, and we gather an idea of "time" based on various things within the universe. There may be numerous other universes as well. In the end, this universe will collapse and be brought back to the little ball form and then expand again into the big egg. This universe is not infinite, we can only see as far as the radioactive energy from the big bang permits, then the radioactive energy forms a wall, like an egg around the universe, we don't know what is beyond.

What I guess is beyond is probably other universes expanding and contracting like flickering stars. All these being part of even greater systems.

There is no time ultimately or truly, and so one could say that these things have been expanding and contracting since forever, but it is God that all these are within, and it is God who expands and contracts them and manages every element of them all. God is the ultimate reality, God is the true infinite, and it is God who has all the power.

Now if there was a moment where all these things did not exist, there was still God, and it was God who brought them into existence. If there was nothing, there would still be nothing.

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I agree that ultimately very little can be "known" for certain about anything at all. At most we can believe this or that. The one thing we can't believe is "nothing". It is also what we can't know or experience in all honesty in relation to the definition of the word.

Right now, most of us are seeing, hearing, or at least experiencing "something" whatever it may be.

I think it is safe to say that "something" exists and can be experienced, because it is being experienced and we are the witnesses to that.

So we "know" "something" and we don't know "nothing". This does not mean we know anything for certain, we just know something exists based on how we've defined those words.

What I call God is what animates everything ultimately. This definition of God is more ancient than latter poetic humanistic depictions of a man in the skies or anything like that. Surprisingly, the further we go back into history or into what some might call primitive beliefs, the more advanced they seem to be at times. I don't think it is completely fair to disregard everything from the past as the mere stupidity of primitive idiots. What I've noticed actually is that there are repeated stages of advanced philosophy falling into misunderstanding, and that this era and this part of the world has almost totally let go of understanding entirely and is really ripe and ready to misunderstand things deeply.

So many people are imagining God as some man, and that certainly makes it easy to reject the concept as completely ridiculous. I definitely would not worship any such thing.

God as the supreme and ultimate reality that animates every event and possibility is much closer seeming to me as the true essence of religions from around the world, both tribal religions and those established by and within nations and empires.

I made this article to bring this concept to people who might also like to pick it up, to come to believe in a God that is actually cool, to completely reject with confidence the ridiculous mangods of modern imagination. It is my favorite concept and understanding of God, and is luckily shared by many ancient scriptures and writings.

It may seem like an advanced notion, but it can be derived from basic logic and thinking in a few ways:

There is something (what we're experiencing now). The something is animated. It can not be animated by nothing because nothing can't do anything. It is animated by an animator or force of animation that is active and alive (thus the animation exists and is in motion). That is what we call God.

There is something (what we're experiencing now). If the something came into being and was not always as it was, it was caused. The cause of something is the "uncaused cause". If we don't say uncaused cause, we go into what is called infinite regression. Infinite regression is pointless, it is much simpler to say the one thing that existed without being brought into existence brought everything else into existence. Rather than an infinite linear chain based on time and stuff.

Those are just two ways.

Religions that promote a man god, I feel, take people away from belief and understanding. They ask us to believe in things that are hard to believe, practically absurd.

But is it absurd to say "Whatever is the Ultimate is what I worship"?

Is it absurd to say "Whatever powers everything is what I believe has all the power?"

Not only that, but there is another element of safety.

Is it safe to say "we'll see" when there have been repeated threats? Would it be safer to follow a road that actually avoids the most possible dangers while fulfilling the most possible end results?

So that if it is true that The Power also judges people, that we've at least tried to avoid trouble by doing what most of the religions agree on?

That way if one of them is right, you are more likely to win. I've written about this elsewhere. The one main message of all the religious scriptures, is that there is one supreme and ultimate power (usually with the qualities of omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience) that controls everything. To worship this God (and around the world the way of worship has been the same from totally distinct cultures), and to do good (which is usually in the form of acts of kindness and charity, and this is practically worldwide and from diverse people).

That is easy! We avoid risk, we win according to most possible end results, and we better protect ourselves in case of trouble.

If it is all lies, at least we tried. We either cease to exist, or experience something that we were unable to prepare for. But if any are true, we should've paved our path with goodness so that we win. So that we win according to Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Essential Christianity, Islam, and everything else in the past, and its really actually more similar that one might realize at first. All the bases are covered, and the worst possible end results are avoided by following one of these religions.

If you followed hinduism and it was right, you die and you're reincarnated or you achieve moksha, nirvana, or a higher realm and avoid hell (which exists in hindu writings too). If you fail though, your failure is tempory if hinduism is true, so it isnt essential to follow hinduism because it lacks danger if its true.

Buddhism is similar, etc.

Islam has one of the highest risks if it is right, fulfills the most things according to the most religions, and has the benefit of all the others too, yet is not lacking in anything they've said for achievement.

Thats just an example of how a risk assessment would work. I've written about it more elsewhere and in more detail.

It can be found somewhere in my other articles here:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-YOUR-CHU...#pid665463

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A body is something with limits. I don't believe in a God with limits, thus a God with a body, or a God with several bodies. I believe all the ancient scriptures actually agree with the concept of an infinite and limitless God with no body, form, or limitations.

People seem to be constantly confusing words. Just earlier in this thread someone seemed to be saying creation is creator. That is just simply mixing up and misunderstanding words. If words are to be used correctly according to their definitions, then they are to be applied in the correct order.

"creation" doesn't exist on its own or it wouldnt be called "creation". "Creation" is what is "Created" by a "Creator".

creation
late 14c., "action of creating, a created thing," from O.Fr. creacion

So we can find a different word if we're talking about something else. That is just one example of word confusion.

A body/form/shape is something that is defined by limitations and boundaries that make it an identifiable structure. That is just what the word and concept means. So if something is infinite, it is going in all directions without end, having no center, being everywhere absolutely, nothing blocking it, restricting it, shaping it, etc.

So maybe you're trying to say something else?

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Well I probably wouldn't feel comfortable claiming that God is talking to me like some people do. I believe, like the Etruscans in pre republic Rome may have believed (adjusts invisible glasses, haha) that in a sense, The power, the Numen as the Romans called it, is in constant communication with everyone always, and that is the whole experience of reality and life. I'd never claim God is talking to me or speaking to me personally, even if I hear whispers in my head or anything like that.

I love being really honest with my feelings and open!

Also, if anyone wants to be my friend or talk to me more often, I suggest the program skype which can be found at http://www.skype.com . That is the one that I'm on most, but I probably don't like having religious conversations with anyone who disagrees with me.

I may seem tolerant and accepting of lots of religious view points, but I actually like joking and sharing my music more and helping people with their issues and being a friend. Though these beliefs are an important part of my personality and filtering of information, and so I can find it difficult to relate to anyone who doesn't believe or comprehend the kinds of things I'm talking about!

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I think that ultimately the only thing that can be established with certainty is that "something" exists. We can define it in many ways. I don't think we can say for certain that we exist, or that anything specific exists and is individual. We can believe various things, but all that can be ultimately known for certain is "something" exists. If "nothing" existed there would be nothing, not even anything, and no commentary on it either.

I go the next step by saying the "something" is animated. I worship what animates it. Its easy.

Then you can say "Well what if it is not animated?" and then I can say "It is clearly animated, it is not static, if it were static, I would not be able to even say that it is animated, there is constant motion and change". It is the changer that I worship, the one force that gives motion.

Where is the "something"? It can not be located in "nothing" because "nothing" has no space for anything. The something is within the sustainer of reality. This sustainer of reality is the power which animates everything.

Think about it!

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I've responded to some posts on prior pages, so be sure to check those out if you're interested!

Is what I'm explaining sensible or does it sound utterly retarded?

I'd like to know, because if I'm not making any sense, what is the point of repeating absurd sounding things?

From my perspective, what I'm saying makes excellent sense, it is easy to understand, and there shouldn't be any real resistance because it just fits right.

If there is something that sounds silly, I'd like to know. If there is something that makes no sense, I wonder what it is!

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Is everyone so stuck (both atheists and some believers) on that image they've seen as kids of a bearded man in the skies that they can't dissociate it from the word "God"?

At times I've had to use the letter "A" as a unit with a definition in exchange for the word "God" because some people seem to have so much difficulty getting past the word God. They either hate it because they associate it with some imagery or forms or love it because of some forms they have associated it with.

In truth, nobody can deny God. What? "Of course" you might say "God can be denied! Watch me, There is no God".

But what they are denying confidently, is usually an image or concept that is easy to deny. Likely, a denial of the mangod, or anything else absurd that they come up with.

But can they deny existence? Can they deny that things are in motion, that reality exists somewhere and is thoroughly powered by something in order to exist? If they denied such things, wouldn't it be clear that they were wrong? Wouldn't it be false to say that everything is static and nothing is moving? Even in the form of moments passing.

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WRT A/C  Wrote: (05-12-2011 07:00 AM)
Where two are more are gathered in my name....
There I will also be.....

That reminded me of this:

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Do you not see that God knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but God is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but God is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but God is with them wheresoever they are; then God will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely God is Cognizant of all things.

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Average Housewife  Wrote: (05-12-2011 07:43 AM)
Religion is like two ignorant children arguing "My imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend!!!!!"

I was actually trying to show how most religions promote the same friend.

That is why I used examples from various religions rather than just one.

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I think that religion can and maybe should be treated as insurance and self defense, futures investment.

But which religion?! Actually with some consideration, one can figure this out on a rational rather than emotional level as well.

The ideal religion would fit in what the most other religions have claimed, have the most dangerous possibly end result (cause theres no point in following something if it doesnt matter if you follow it or not and end up getting infinite tries anyway), and should not have anything that breaks the rules of the others.

There is one religion that I believe accomplishes all of this.

It presents the greatest risk, fulfills the greatest requirements, is still easy, and does not go against what the things before it have said, so it is almost as good as following any of the other religions, but following the others isn't as useful because they don't present enough risk for not following it.

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~*~sang~froid~*~  Wrote: (05-16-2011 07:40 PM)
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-10-2011 01:13 AM)
(Feel free to leave a comment or question despite the page number)

Some parts of this I am in definite agreement with/understanding of Freedomstands, but there are others that in and of themselves contradict each other completely. It will take me some time, but I wanted you to know I hadnt forgotten or set it aside Heartflowers

I do have one particular 'issue' that struck me though. That is the continual personification of 'god'...and the notion that 'god' both punishes and rewards us...that 'god' consciously makes that 'decision' so to speak...that doesnt feel right to me at all. Of course I am only offering my personal opinion and do not think myself or anyone should be telling others about 'god' and/or religion and what they 'should' believe or think they know....

Also, some of those things you listed, such as refraining from pork,washing, etc... are in my understanding, simply things included by those 'in charge' of the message. There were realistic reasons for some of these of course, and at that time, religion was the government. As we know, there was no better way to convince an entire population to follow through with a desired habit then to say it was from 'god'.

I like the way you have encompassed so many faiths and their messages I might add Heartflowers

Yeah, though most religions tended to personify God largely in descriptive writings, an ultimate non humanized theological view was also available as the realistic version of God, while the humanized or personified version was often to help people understand, relate, or acted as largely symbolic or poetic rather than literal.

The concept of ultimate reward and punishment existed in more than just the more recent major religions. The concept existed in ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, ancient China, ancient India, and ancient Persia among many other places.

The idea was generally that the good that a person does in this life, benefits them here and after they die, while the harmful things a person does leads them to trouble in the afterlife, even if they escaped punishment in this life.

The concept of ressurection was also surprisingly not unique to "Abrahamic" religions, and existed even in ancient Egypt and prior, such as with some of the earliest people like the Khoisan of Africa. This was a concept of specific bodily ressurection, that one day all humanity will be raised from the dead and will live again. In the meantime, many civilizations had the concept of a "realm of death" which was either poetic or literal, where the dead reside until that special day where they return to life. The realm of death was often reflective of burials, and was largely depicted as under the earth, where the people were often buried.

Justice and fairness were important concepts in many societies around the world, and in Ancient Egypt this concept was symbolically personified as "ma'at". People's hearts (intent) and conduct was judged against "ma'at". If they passed the test, they would receive paradise, and if they failed, they would receive punishment. Religiously observant Egyptians attempted to avoid penalty in this life and the afterlife by walking in truth and living justly.

Largely, around the world, the concept of cleansing one's misconduct was through asking for forgiveness to the God, and giving alms to the poor (depending on how developed and stratified the society was). Self sacrifice as a means to show sincerity was also often included, like fasting, or sacrificing property such as cattle which was often given to the poor and family members.

Some options are as follows:

1. Death takes all equally, and has thus been called the "great equalizer". The person who has done great harm to many, and the person who has done great good, both receive the equal reward of death, never to live again.

2.After death, there is an afterlife, where everyone exists equally, despite what they have done in their life, the one who has done great harm receives the same as the one who has done great good.

3.After death, which is like sleep to the dead, one wakes up not knowing how much time has passed in between. An exact record of their conduct is revealed to them by some means, they are questioned perhaps, and receive equal to whatever they have done. The good is rewarded, and the bad is punished. The person who has done great harm in this life, but may have escaped any punishment, will receive what they deserve, and the good will be rewarded, even if they weren't in this life.

In option 1, whatever makes a person live, and whatever makes a person die, at exact moments balancing every moment, would be what can be called God.

In option 2, whatever exists is created and maintained, existing within what can be called God.

In option 3, whatever has the power to sort experiences and give appropriate recompense, can be called God.

If one believes in a system of karma, a universal law of what is good and what is bad, what leads to good and what leads to bad, it would be what can be called God that created such a thing if there is such a thing.

If there is justice, only what created the concept ultimately can best decide how to execute it.

If there is no justice, it is still whatever has power that can truly do anything.

So is it fair for the one who has willfully caused harm to live an otherwise comfortable life, and then receive equal to the one who has willfully helped and done much good?

Could there be a better judge than whatever has absolute knowledge of every single possible event from every single possible angle and remembers every detail in every way? (omniscience)

Could there be a better executer of justice than whatever has all the power to do anything? (omnipotence)

Would it be fair to do things without following the standards of justice such as indicating the crimes, proving the guilt, and executing the punishment?

Most societies, even before major civilizations, had concepts of justice and fairness that either derived from religion or extended into it.

It could all be lies.

If it is a lie, then it is unknown what awaits us, and what will happen, we may just die and never wake up again, though we are or were dead in that case until we do wake up again if we ever do.

If it isn't a lie, and if all those numerous people from the past into the modern day had even a little of the truth, there is a major risk in transgression the general standards of right conduct that have pervaded history.

So what is the harm in being a good person by those standards, worshipping the God, and doing what is right? If one dies and there is nothing after, they will never find out about how their time was wasted. If they die and something entirely different than what anyone has written about happens, it could not have been prepared for anyway. But if they die, and exactly what generations had anticipated happens, one has at least attempted to pave their path to paradise.

The aspect of God as the "Judge" and disposer of fortune and misfortune is a worldwide belief that is one of the earliest religious concepts. When many in the past described God as King, this also meant Judge, since ancient Kings were often the main Judges that ultimately decided between people and resolved disputes.

God is not a human being that sits around infront of people doing this, but if there is any system of justice and retribution, it is God powering it, and thus the term Judge would apply.

I'd love to know what you think, and any other things you find disturbing!

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~*~sang~froid~*~  Wrote: (05-16-2011 07:40 PM)
Also, some of those things you listed, such as refraining from pork,washing, etc... are in my understanding, simply things included by those 'in charge' of the message. There were realistic reasons for some of these of course, and at that time, religion was the government. As we know, there was no better way to convince an entire population to follow through with a desired habit then to say it was from 'god'.

I like the way you have encompassed so many faiths and their messages I might add Heartflowers

Also, I probably didn't mention in the post above why I included things like refraining from pork and ritual purification.

A taboo in relation to pork was actually quite widespread in the world without having anything to do with Judaism. It may be due to an actual perceived uncleanliness to the animal, or it may relate to what some studies have recently shown (that pork contains a lectin that reactes negatively to everyone, despite their blood type or any other factor). People may have noticed this, or perhaps they were told.

Even in ancient Scotland there was a pork taboo, but it existed elsewhere in the world and across many cultures. Pork may have gained more acceptance around the world after the spread of Christianity, where it was also introduced to many populations where it had not existed (such as some island nations and elsewhere).

As for ritual ablution, that was even more common than any mention of pork (since pigs were rare in some places, but water was always a common factor for survival generally).

It can safely be said that in just about all ancient cultures, from Africa, all the way to Japan, and across the entire map, ritual purification played an important role in pre worship preparations, usually as a sign of reverence and respect. The methods of worship were also generally the same worldwide, and included gestures of submission that are commonly seen practiced by muslims today, but had existed since ancient times across the world. Ritual ablution and worship was performed in practically the same way in Ancient Egypt, the ancient middle east, Ancient Vedic Civilization, Ancient Han China, Ancient Japan, and elsewhere, even in Tibet and by many tribes around the world.

The practitioner would purify their body and intent, with the potentially symbolic purification with water, and would then bow and prostrate to God while praying and praising the God.

There were often even gestures specific to supplication and requests.

Early Christians even prayed this way, and even nontheistic Buddhists. This form of worship is still widespread in the world, though has almost entirely been discarded in Europe and America.

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If God has a body, even if God's spirit is everywhere, if God has a body then God is contained within some realm, and contained by some dimensions of structure, within something, rather than encompassing everything. The God I'm promoting encompasses everything and is literally infinite, not confined by any dimensions or within anything. Whatever God is within would be greater in size than God, and encompassing God, while God can not be encompassed. I think there are verses I've shown that say something that indicate God can not be contained and is literally filling everywhere.

The tselem of God to me, if anything, refers to some quality of God, such as dominion, mercy, etc.

Thanks for visiting again though, and I agree that many people probably believe that God has a literal limited solid form and dimensions as well. If God had such a thing, it would be an illusion, like an Avatar in Hinduism, where God encompasses the illusionary form used to communicate something. If that is the case though, I would say absolutely everything everywhere is a manifestation, rather than just some things, and that leaves us again with a God who is not contained by a particular form, but is completely free from all such things.

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Well, throughout ancient times around the world, there were general beliefs that were practically the same everywhere. The religions had generally started or come to accept the concept of one all powerful God that controls every aspect of life, and that this God was the power that provided what is good in experience, and what was bad, bringing misfortune and fortune to whoever for whatever reason. One's only hope, if there was any hope at all, was to ask for the goodness from this power and to worship it obediently for its favor. There were also worldwide beliefs in goodness in the afterlife provided by this power, and harm for those who didn't do good.

The requirements for religion around the world were generally all the same and very simple, and that is why this thread is called easy religion in a nutshell. The requirements were simply to wash oneself and worship the God at appropriate timings throughout the day (it was a worldwide practice to associate worship with timings of the day, without actually worshipping the sun, though at times this may have developed into sun worship and moon worship, in its original form it was a way to organize the day). Charity was the other primary good deed, and fasting was also common as a practice of holy people who are sincere about religion (or just not very hungry!).

So, to worship the one God, the God that was spoken of throughout the world, known by its attributes which are always the same. To seek favor from this one God who has the power to give goodness and badness. That is the essential religion.

The religions it covers are:

Ancient Egyptian Religion
Ancient Greek Religion (As well as the Hypsistarians, and Dionysian Monotheists)
Ancient Roman Religion
Ancient Libyan Religion
Ancient Sumerian/Babylonian/Akkadian Religion
Ancient Proto Aryan Religion (that spread across Europe, and the monotheistic aspect is retained in some traditional religions like that of Latvia or someplace where they acknoledge that Daeyus is the one God and that there are no others, that the others are just poetic personifications)
Ancient Indian/Vedic Religion (This covers a range of religions that acknowledge the supreme God under different names by different regions and culture groups such as Vishnu, Shiva, Brahman, the creation of idols were clearly spoken against in the Vedas, so what Hindus do now should not reflect on what the Vedas teach)
Ancient African Tribal Religions (all largely monotheistic)
Ancient Asian Tribal Religions (also all acknowledging the supreme God)
Ancient Han Chinese Religion (As well as Pre Han Religion, since belief in Shangdi seems to predate the Han)
Scythian,Celtic,Illyrian,Germanic,Nordic (All largely misunderstood from scarce accounts, many of these were translated as cognate to the Greek religion, while some developed from aryan monotheism, so the concepts can be related to how Hinduism and the vedas teach monotheism and became confused later with misunderstood symbolism taken literally)

Basic Judaism
Basic Zoroastrianism
Basic Christianity (these might offend you, but what I mean by basic Judaism and basic Christianity is following the central commandments, there is only one God and it is that one God that we should worship with all our heart)
Islam
Buddhism (Even Buddhism is covered, where ones reward will either be becoming an arahant (saint) or entering Nirvana. Though Buddhism seems largely nontheistic, after some intense research I finally found that they also have the concept that I speak of, the base of all reality from which all things come and which controls all things, but they hesitate to call this God. They worship the same way as the others, with bowing and prostrations, and this is not meant to be directed at anything, so strangely it is like doing the worship but not to God or Buddha) (Some do revere and show respect to Buddha, but there is no indication in the Pali Canon to do any such thing).

Ancient Japanese/Ainu Religion (Pre sun worship cult, when they worshipped the Kami or Kamui as the Ainu call it, which was similar to the Numen, but later became many personifications)

Ancient Native American Religion (Having many monotheistic variations worshipping the Great Spirit)
Ancient South American Religions (Some south American religions had a supreme God with the precise qualities that relate to God)
Ancient Maori High Priest Religion (Io, the God who has the correct qualities. This belief was largely kept from many people, and some had later called it invented, but it was an actual belief held by the higher priest castes, where the trusted would learn about God during a tohied ceremony. Which sounds similar to the arabic word Tawheed which is the concept of total monotheism. The Maori who promote the Io concept also claimed that the tradition had come from the Middle East)

So basically, it covers the majority of religions across the Globe and throughout history. They were all apparently informed by some means or came to realize or believe that there is only One Ultimate God, and that worship is due to this God.

So it is the One God that is to be worshipped, the God of the Continents, the God of the civilizations, the God known by qualities and attributes as one and the same with others despite the language used.

To worship in the old way, with cleanliness and gestures of respect and submission, and to hopefully win in the end.

Monotheism, Worship, and Good deeds such as Charity. That is the religion I tried to present, and its history is global in scale.

If you do it, you win according to the majority of religions, even Buddhism.

If the majority of the religions are true, you are rewarded for these efforts, and punished for failing in these.

Now it comes to widdling it down to specifically the best choice which covers all the others, yet has the most severe punishment, even worse than ceasing to exist.

It would believe in only one God as described, worship God in the ancient way, promote the appropriate good deeds, and have the worst punishment possible. That would be the religion to bet on, in order to avoid the worst possible punishment, while accomplishing the most possible other religions as well.

There is no point on placing your bet on a religion that says you'll be reincarnated, because if you follow it or not, you'll get another chance if its true, and if its not true, you've made a mistake.

So one with a terrible punishment, so if it fails in its promise of a punishment you are potentially saved, and if it true you've worked to protect yourself as best you can from the punishment it promised.

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I consider myself a real devotee of God, and even as a member of all those aforementioned religions, devoted to the God that fits the qualities of God. I deny idol worship with confidence, because denial of idols is not only a Jewish practice, but had existed even around the world in early China, Pakistan/India, and elsewhere around the world. The strictest religious practitioners acknowledged idol worship as a misleading and degraded practice, and wrote about this in books such as the Vedas, and elsewhere. These days, many of the titles of God that I may approve of, are depicted along with idols, though many acknowledged at the time that these idols were symbolic, yet others completely denied them and would even go so far as try to deface or avoid them as blasphemy.

Can one follow the religion of Abraham and Moses, be a follower of Jesus, believing that Muhammed was the messenger of God, Worshipping Amun, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahman, Zeus Hypsistos, Ahuramazda, and so many more names which represent One God with the same qualities, and say that they have only one religion? I don't believe in a buffet religion of just making up my own religion though, I actually believe that the messages presented by the various religions has more in common, and that there is one religion which covers all these in pure monotheism.

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There is actually a singular religion that covers the bases, and I've mentioned it, I think I posed it as a question though, which religion would cover all those things, but then again I may be failing according to Christians who believe in God having a literal son since I can't accept that, but I didn't find that as a requirement in the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament generally. Rather it seems to promote the very same religion and practices that I'm trying to talk about as well!

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religion
c.1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-Fr. religiun (11c.), from O.Fr. religion "religious community,"

from L. religionem (nom. religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," in L.L. "monastic life" (5c.);

according to Cicero, derived from relegare "go through again, read again," from re- "again" + legere "read" (see lecture). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (and many modern writers) connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods."

Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. Meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c.1300.

Modern sense of "recognition of, obedience to, and worship of a higher, unseen power" is from 1530s.

http://www.etymonline.com

Its just a word anyway, I use the modern sense of the world from the 1530s

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So the religion I'm promoting here, I feel, does fulfill the requriements of many others, and even avoids what might be the worst possible punishment if such a punishment exists.

The ancient religions did not have really severe requirements usually, purification and worship were a regular part of life, only now does it seem like an extra hassle to perform such things during a busy schedule. In Rome for example, and even Egypt, it wasn't uncommon to worship privately or at public places of worship throughout the day in intervals between regular work.

I'm not totally sure which requirements in Judaism and Christianity as suggested in the Bible are not met by worshipping one God in the traditional manner.

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But even if it seems to fail by some standards, it shouldn't fail by the standard that has the worst possible punishment. I really don't think the other religions requirements are not met, or that they have greater standards that are not being met etc. It isn't really a jack of all trades thing I'm suggesting for people, there is only one actual religion that I reccomend that I find covers all the bases that I mentioned. The only ones it might not cover are any religions requiring belief in literal Gods besides God alone, so anything that is more literally polytheistic, and that includes some interpretations of Christianity, though I think the religion promoted by Jesus was in line with this religion that I'm talking about, and in line with Judaism too, even if it doesnt follow all the interpretations and opinions of Rabbis and things.

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I have a few questions about what you wrote here, and thank you so much for writing all this!

1. What is the Mosaic Law? Is it the ten commandments?

2. I interpreted the statement of "I am the way" as a reference to following the conduct of Jesus, and that those who perform religion as Jesus did, will win. I don't think Jesus ever asked to be worshipped, nor did Jesus worship himself or anything like that, but that he himself was the message, through his acts, which also depict the monotheism and worship I've been talking about among other things, and he said clearly the most important commandment was the shema, the statement on the first page of this thread. So I agree that following the way of Jesus is definitely the right way, and that Jesus did not worship himself or anything like that, but worshipped God alone, and lived a good clean life. "I am the way" follow what Jesus did in religion. "I am the truth" the message of Jesus is the truth. "I am the life" the life of Jesus was lived in correct religion, it is this lifestyle that we should emulate as much as we can, and it lived in submission to God, total dependency on God, and worship of God alone. Nobody can approach God if they are not performing the religion of Jesus. That is how I interpreted it anyway.

3. It says "all scripture" but many have removed some scriptures, and then there are other scriptures outside of the Bible. Don't we select based on the message? What qualifies as scripture to be followed?

I think it is important to differentiate when people are talking about Jesus, are post Paul, and when Jesus is reported to have said things. Ultimately, I don't think the scriptures we have are the scripture of Jesus (though it may be), I really this what we have are reports of the sayings of Jesus from a long time after his death, but not the actual scripture if Jesus wrote one or dictated one, but we may have fragments through the reported sayings. The style I think would be different if it was the direct revelation of Jesus.

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LysaStrata  Wrote: (05-19-2011 03:53 AM)
The Commandments of Christ

The following is a list of commands which form the basis of our life in Christ. Most were spoken directly by Christ; many were added for clarity by the writers of the epistles.

1. Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you (Matt. 5:44).

Isn't it funny, that the order of the commandments here places this as number one, when Jesus clearly stated that the most important commandment is the shema, the declaration of pure monotheism and worship? Everyone seems to cut that out and neglect it totally.

I really appreciate the list though! I think its great! I'm always kind of insulted by how they cut out or underplay the most important commandment though, I wonder why that is?

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Thank you so much for your wonderful words. I don't think there can be any intercessor between God and man, but rather that man can communicate directly with God. We worship and do everything in the name of God, just as Jesus did. I don't believe Jesus was the manifestation of God, but rather, the manifestation and example of right religious conduct and belief.

The reason that there is no true intercessor, is that nobody can overtake God's command, only God can do anything. Anyone can pray for another, but if that prayer will be accepted is up to God alone, and God is not bound to do anything that anyone demands. God is the greatest always, and with God is full command over everything, no one can truly intercede or block God's command, nor can anyone forgive another if God does not forgive them.

Jesus is the example to mankind of the true religion, the religion of pure monotheism and full submission to God, making one's will in accordance to God's prescriptions and commands, to believe in and worship God in the prescribed and ancient manner, and do good and charity.

In the end, it is up to God alone if God forgives us or punishes us, and God is free of requirements and can ultimately do whatever.

So if Jesus was to command something, God would not be forced to do it, but if God commands something, it will happen.

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I agree that Jesus acted according to God's will, and did the right thing. I believe God is manifested everywhere always, in the sense of being there and sustaining all existence. I believe that God has certain qualities, that humans can emulate in some ways. For example, mercy, fair trial, giving freely, patience, and many more excellent qualities. I don't know where Jesus said that he comes in the name of himself to speak to God, with himself in mind to speak to God. Jesus is to be admired and emulated in many ways, but I don't think intercession is actually a good thing that is favored by God, who is with us always.

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RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
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Thank you.

Your welcome.

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Gandalf  Wrote: (05-29-2011 09:53 AM)
How great is our GOD? Bigger than this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q

God is bigger than every planet, every star (sun), every galaxy full of stars, every galaxy combined, every Universe, every Universe combined. God is Infinite, un ending in every direction, without limits, encompassing everything, dwarfing everything so that everything is infinitely small in comparison to God!

LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-29-2011 11:44 AM)
I recognise your perspective.
IT, however, does not "control" (on the contrary.)
IT is expressed through- and as every being. None "lessor-than", none "greater-than" any other.
IT seeks no worship.
IT seeks no belief in itself.
IT seeks no "loyalty" as every being is part of IT.
IT Creates only, and never destroys.
IT wishes only happiness and Joy for all That IS.

What makes you think that it doesn't?

All particles may be equal in within God in the sense of their infinite smallness, no matter how large, but God is not equal to any one particle, or all the particles combined. This is because without any particles, God would still be God, and God is the creator of all the particles, and God can also remove all the particles.

Whatever "controls" all animation in the Universe, the motion of the planets, the vibration of the particles, is what I am calling God, the Ultimate Power behind everything.

If God seeks worship, or not, God does not benefit from anything, but even so, we can benefit from worship in several potential ways.

God does not require you to believe in it for it to exist, it existed before we did, but even so, belief in God is only logical because it is real.

God brought us into being, now our only hope and wisest choice is to derive benefit from it, as well as further security.

Everything is surrendered to God willingly or unwillingly, loyalty to God is only to our own benefit.

God created everything. Any form of destruction is also by God. Every event or action is performed through God, by God. Finally, God can obliterate absolutely every particle and make it into nothing again. This is easy for God, even if there is no example of matter being obliterated. Any form of destruction or change is also through God and by God. That is why one of the most common epithets for God is The Destroyer.

Our only hope is to seek what produces lasting security, peace, and comfort from God. If God "wished only happiness" for people, God could make everyone happy always. Everything that exists was created by God, every possibility, and every possibility we can possibility think was first created by God as a possible thought we can have in order for it to even be available for us to think it as a thought.

Whatever the God wants, is what is. If the God wanted everyone to be happy, the God could make everyone instantly happy, that is the nature of the quality of omnipotence. God wanted it this way, however it is, and so it is exactly how God wanted it. It would be strange to say "God created everything" yet "everything is not as God created it" since God is the very force that enables any event or activity, the sustainer behind all life and motion. The enabler of whatever is possible, the one who can disable anyone, who no one can bypass.

God has provided guidance to people to lead them to joy and happiness. This is found through realization of reality, truth, and respecting God, though God needs nothing from us, we are in constant need of God every moment of our existence, because it is God alone that sustains our being and existence.

So God is what is behind the system you present, if it exists, God is the one who created it and is behind every possible event in it, powering and making the motion of those events and possibilities. Nothing exists without God. Nothing can move without God. Nothing can happen without God. God is the One Power. God is the animator behind every motion on every level.

Yet the human has the audacity to say that they themselves are equal to God, and they themselves can create, when they can not create anything, not even a speck of dust.

Whatever they know, God has provided as information.

Surrender is the natural response to the Greatness of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ_LdS4UkN8

People might not like the word "control" because of negative associations they have made with it, but it is just a word representing a power moving an object or event.

So what moves the electricity in our brains, the ocean and the wind, the orbits of the planets, the course of the sun, the expansion of the Universe, the little atoms that everything is made up of, the particles, the galaxies, the birth and death of stars, the sound of laughter and crying?

What powers and animates the motion of all the galaxies, all the stars, all the planets, all the earthquakes on those planets and moons, all the flares of the sun, every moment of life?

What is the simplest answer, the natural answer, the answer that is clear?

God.

God, the One and Only Power moves these things (control), and they do not, and can not move themselves, just as a rock can not stand and walk on its own. Nor can a human exist if God does not make a human exist.

This is the God to which surrender is the only intelligent option, there is no hope of escaping it, nor would escaping it be any benefit even if it were possible. Surrender is natural before such an incredible thing like nothing else. Your creator, that even invented you, just as the stars were invented and the galaxies were invented.

Yet the human disdains showing it any respect or honoring it in any way, the human hopes to resist the comfortable position of submission and prostration. Why? Of course the God does not benefit from anything, but you can seek benefit from the God. Furthermore, you can seek peace through realization and surrender, peace in submission to God. It is natural to be in awe of the Master when you realize these amazing things about God.

The human would prefer to stand at all times, never showing any respect or appreciation for the God that has provided everything to us our whole lives? The human will not choose to experience the joy and peace that comes with thanking God, bowing to God, prostrating to God?

Then it is only to the loss of the human. The Beneficient One is so Great, and loses nothing from a lack of worship. It is we who gain from worship, and it is only silly arrogance to refuse it when it is what brings peacefulness, comfort, joy, and security.

Can a human manifest anything? Whatever they can even imagine manifesting, is provided by God. Yet a human can not even produce a particle, an atom, or any form of matter. The human can not do anything, the human can not even survive without air, food, and water. Yet the human thinks they are God? The human boasts about their ability to create, when they can not create anything in the least? The human is not a creator, the human is a creature, and often an arrogant one at that.
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The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:
"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"
"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."

Here are some quotes from the Vedas (These are the Hindu scriptures of knowledge):

Verily God is one
Single, indivisible, supreme reality.
- Atharva Veda 13/4/20

God is the sole sovereign
Of the universe.
- Rig Veda 6/36/4

God is one, unparalleled
Through God's wondrous, mighty
And formidable laws and deeds.
- Rig Veda 8/1/27

There is only One
Who ought to be adored
By the people.
- Atharva Veda 2/2/1

O comrades,
Adore none else but God
Who is supreme bestower of bliss
And thus thou wilt not suffer;
Eulogise God in congregation
And recite praise of God's glory repeatedly
- Sam Veda 242

He is One Brahma
The Creator of the cosmos
Who pervades and protects
And enlightens aft beings
God is One Supreme Entity
Whom sages call by various names
Such as Indra, the glorious
Mitra, the good friend
Varuna, the greatest, the noblest
Agni, the resplendent, the bright
Yama, the dispenser of justice
Matarishwa, the almighty.
- Rig Veda 1/164/46

God, the all-pervasive
Pervades all beings
Within and without.
- Yajur Veda 32/8

God has no image.
- Yajur Veda 32/3

[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. `gods' besides the True God.

"Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1


"Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2


"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."
"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures." [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]


"na tasya pratima asti
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]5


"shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]6


"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]7


"Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names."
[Rigveda 1:164:46] Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46:

"Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names."
[Rigveda 1:164:46]

The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.

As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.

"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him"


The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:

"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata" "O friends, do not worship anybody but God, the Divine One. Praise God alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10

"Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11
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Now about the omnipresence of God:

"c. Omnipresence: The third attribute that describes the capabilities of God is His omnipresence. This attribute means God is everywhere. Of His omnipresence, the Psalmist wrote, ?Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there? (Psalm 139:7-8).

Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown [these things] so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him.

In Jeremiah 23:24 we read: "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord."

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, Isaiah 45:5 "

There is nothing, not in any way, that God does not know:

"b. Omniscience: The second attribute of God that describes His capabilities is His omniscience. This means that God is all? knowing. John wrote of this, ?For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things? (1st John 3:20). Concerning the omniscience of God, Paul wrote, ?Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world?(Acts 15:18). God is omniscience; He is all?knowing."

""In a number of places, the Hebrew Bible makes clear that God has no shape or form, and is utterly incomparable; thus no idol, image, idea, or anything comparable to creation could ever capture God's essence. For example, when the Israelites are visited by God in Deut. 4:15, they see no shape or form. Many verses in the Bible use anthropomorphisms to describe God, (e.g. God's mighty hand, God's finger, etc.) but these verses have always been understood as poetic images rather than literal descriptions. This is reflected in Hosea 12:10 which says, “And I have spoken unto the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and by the hand of the prophets I use similes."

but here are some other examples of the qualities of God:

Within God
Colossians 1:16
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Creator of absolute everything
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
John 1:3

God created and brings even calamity
"I am the L-rd, and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I am the L-rd, that does all these things." (Is. 45:6-7).

3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24)

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39)

But who is able to build Him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Him?... (2 Chronicles 2:6)

26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

“Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.”
Mark 10:17-18

"which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or CAN see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16


"Clearly, we are not created in the physical image of God, because Judaism steadfastly maintains that God is incorporeal and has no physical appearance. Maimonides points out that the Hebrew words translated as "image" and "likeness" in Genesis 1,27 do not refer to the physical form of a thing. The word for "image" in Genesis 1,27 is "tzelem", which refers to the nature or essence of a thing, as in Psalms 73,20, "you will despise their image (tzel'mam)". You despise a person's nature and not a person's physical appearance. The word for physical form, Maimonides explains, is "to'ar", as in Genesis 39,6, "and Joseph was beautiful of form (to'ar) and fair to look upon". Similarly, the word used for "likeness" is "demut", which is used to indicate a simile, not identity of form. For example, "He is like (dimyono) a lion" in Psalms 17,12 refers not to similar appearance, but to similar nature."


Athenagoras
"I have sufficiently demonstrated that we are not atheists, since we acknowledge one God, unbegotten, eternal, invisible, incapable of being acted upon, incomprehensible, unbounded, who is known only by understanding and reason, who is encompassed by light and beauty and spirit and indescribable power, by whom all things, through his Word, have been produced and set in order and are kept in existence" (Plea for the Christians 10 [A.D. 177]).

Clement of Alexandria
"Being is in God. God is divine being, eternal and without beginning, incorporeal and illimitable, and the cause of what exists. Being is that which wholly subsists. Nature is the truth of things, or the inner reality of them. According to others, it is the production of what has come to existence; and according to others, again, it is the providence of God, causing the being, and the manner of being, in the things which are produced" (ibid.).

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Regarding Judgment Day:

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

2 Peter 3:12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

2 Peter 3:13
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

2 Peter 3:12
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

Matthew 24:43
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

(It will come all of a sudden, without warning)

Matthew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew 24:38
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;

Matthew 24:39
and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew 24:44
So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Matthew 24:50
The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.

Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

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Acts 1:7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

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Isaiah 34:4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

(The entire Universe is going to collapse, just as hit has been expanding. It may already be on its way to collapse, while we look on to the portion which seems to be expanding still.)


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Revelation 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.


(Finally, a new heaven and Earth will be made after the collapse of the universe, it will expand again)
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Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Isaiah 65:17 "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
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Isaiah 66:22 "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure.

Yeah, rather than the prolonged thing that people seem to imagine these days, the earlier idea was that it would be a rather fast and sudden thing that extinguishes the whole Earth, then refreshes it. Like a restart button almost. The references to the sudden nature are in the sudden sound of the instrument being blown. The sound is meant to extinguish all life on Earth instantly, flattening mountains, making everything level, nobody can survive or is meant to survive. Then the second blow is to ressurect all the people from all time to stand for judgment.

So one BEEEEE and everyone living at the time dies.

The other BEEEE and everyone wakes up. Those who have been dead for many years will feel like they just went to sleep for a moment.

According to the New Testament and the Qur'an, as well as the Egyptians and anyone else who mentioned the day of judgment and ressurection, nobody knows when it will be. It is always as near as death though, since whoever dies will wake up on that day with the second sound.


kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-28-2011 07:10 AM)
Interesting idea. I dunno, seems so against the natural laws of the universe, its hard to imagine life reduced to a BEEP or two.
I think maybe we can't know until the time comes.

Sorry if you thought I was making it up, its actually from the Bible. According to the Bible and the Qur'an it is an angel blowing the instrument.


1 Corinthians 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Matthew 24:31
And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

As you can see, it will be sudden and instant, like a thief in the night, without warning, without announcing it is coming, just how a thief does not announce that he is coming to rob a house. Then all will perish, the whole Earth will perish, the entire Universe (Heavens) will collapse, and nobody will survive this. Then they will be raised up on a new Earth, with a new Universe, refreshed, but this time we'll be sorted based on our conduct.

It isn't supposed to be a weak beep but a totally overwhelming blast.

You can look into the potential power of sound weaponry to see how an intense sound can disrupt particles and cause destruction. This sound is so intense that it turns mountains into atoms. A sound that vibrates at such a frequency that it horribly disturbs all particles to the point that they can no longer hold together. Everyone dies, and then with perhaps a similarly amazing sound everyone will be reformed by God down to their fingertips, and face judgment.

If you want the physics behind such a thing, perhaps it is due to due to the intense vibration of particles which also produces heat, shaking movement, and makes everything fall apart like shaking something so fast that it becomes like dust.

This also relates back to one of the most common epiteths of God, which is The Destroyer.

In between the collapse and destruction of the Universe and Earth, there may be an extremely long amount of time, but when the ressurection happens, the people won't feel as though there has been any time in between.

I specifically prefer it that way also. The moment could come at any time, but so could death, even before the last day of Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbH...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoTKXXNQ...r_embedded

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-28-2011 01:27 PM)
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-28-2011 01:08 PM)
Isn't that cool?


Yes, it is,
a vibration creates, and you are saying also destroys,
it could be..
for now I have the starry sky and a very silent night.

Well the rate at which something vibrates can decide if it bonds or breaks apart. Seeing some of those videos made me wonder and realize that it is true that we're in a constant state of animation or vibration, being suspending much like how that goo was suspended by the sounds. If the tune changes, everything can fall apart in an instant.

In any case, even beyond falling apart, I believe as part of the idea of "omnipotence" it is important to accept the epithet of God: "The Creator" as well as "The Destroyer" the only One capable of creating from nothing, and destroying back into nothing, and creating again and destroying again. An extension of this would be "Life Giver" and "Death Bringer". Regarding the Universe "Expander" and "Contractor". "Animator" "Exterminator" "Earth Shaker" "Peace Maker" "Rewarder" "Punisher"

kalamity koolWrote:
We're all really describing the same knowledge, the same heart-felt presence..

There have been many cultures in the world with their own unique dresses and customs, but some things around the world were generally the same. It is those things that I hope to present in my thread, especially those things found in common in religious texts and belief systems from around the world.

Those things are the belief in the Supreme God with the same attributes, the ritual of purification before worship, the gestures of worship such as bowing and prostrating, and the reverence for God as seen through the kinds of praises and references made both in and outside of worship. There are other similarities as well, but these things I mentioned were central to just about all people around the entire world at almost every period of history.

Thank you so much for your wonderful reply! I really appreciate it! Thank you also for continuing to visit the thread! Your contributions are wonderful!

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About Jesus from a Qur'anic perspective:

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-29-2011 04:33 AM)
Muslims and Jews both believe the Jesus who came those thousands of years ago was not the Messiah,
But Christians believe He was.
When I read what He said and did, this man Jesus in Israel whose coming to the planet we fix our years by..
my heart/mind/soul respond with a Yes.

Muslims do believe Jesus was the Messiah. He is called the Messiah throughout the Qur'an. He is the only one called the Messiah. Muslims believe in the virgin birth as well and the miracles performed by Jesus by Allah's leave. They believe that Jesus was a word of God, and was assisted by the Holy Spirit. One account in the Qur'an says the following in brief:

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(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,held in honour in this world in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

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"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

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She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

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And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel.

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And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.

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And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

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"'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"

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But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).

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Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed and we follow the messenger, so write us down with those who bear witness.

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And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.

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(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

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Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.

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And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust.

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This We recite to you of the communications and the wise reminder.

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The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

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The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

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This is the true account: There is no god except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.

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But if they turn back, Allah hath full knowledge of those who do mischief.

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Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).

Alternative Translation (Pickthal): Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).

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O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

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The Messiah disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

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Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their wages in full, adding unto them of His bounty; and as for those who were scornful and proud, them will He punish with a painful doom. And they will not find for them, against Allah, any protecting friend or helper.

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That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

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And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

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But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

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They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

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They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

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Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

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Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."

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They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

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They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do anything against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He wills. And Allah has power over all things.

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nd the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the journeying.

So the fundamental difference between Jews, Christians and Muslims is as follows:

Many Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah, was born of a virgin (Mary), that Jesus was a Prophet, that Jesus was supported by the Holy Spirit, that Jesus performed miracles.

To simplify:

Jews: Revelation concludes with the Torah
Muslims: Revelations concludes with the Qur'an and includes Jesus as the Messiah, born of a virgin, a Prophet, supported by the Holy Spirit, performed miracles.
Christians: Revelation concludes with the New Testament, Jesus was God, the only begotten Son of God.

The only difference between Christianity and Islam is:

Many Christians hold that Jesus was God, the incarnation of God, the only begotten Son of God, that Jesus was tortured and crucified, and that Jesus's death somehow forgave the sins of mankind.

Muslims hold that a man isn't God, nor does God have any incarnations (but everything belongs to God), and that God has no "begotten" children or children in any literal sense, but is the creator of all. Muslims also do not believe God is divided into three parts, or is one of three parts, but that God is One. The Qur'an says Jesus was saved from torture and crucifiction by the Merciful God, and that what people witnessed was a miraculous illusion or misperception if anything. Nobody can bear the burden of anothers sins, nor does sacrificing an innocent forgive any sins, but God alone can forgive in an instant.

Christianity and Islam agree on every point pretty much otherwise.

Judaism and Islam are in total agreement other than that the Muslim accepts Jesus as the Messiah.

So again:

Islam believes that Jesus is the Messiah, the son of the virgin Mary, a word from God, supported by the Holy Spirit, brought the message of God, and performed miracles in the name of God, was saved by God who has no literal children or incarnations (everything belongs to God and is made by God, everything is filled with God, existing by God). Jesus was in accord with the will of God.

Christianity believes that Jesus was God, the only begotten son of God, a part of the trinity, that he was tortured and crucified without God preventing or saving him, that his torture and death forgave the sins of mankind somehow and he bears the burden of criminals and unjust people even though he was innocent.

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-29-2011 10:39 AM)
Oops, my mistake, I should have said, son of God.
God, come down to Earth in spirit form, to the body of the man Jesus.
To bring about the possibility for us to live eternally, with Him, and also to bring about the presence of the Holy Spirit on the Earth.

The Trinity discussion reminded me of a small event in my life recently.
A frog had become trapped in my bed-side glass of water, while I'd been away.
The water was long gone, and the frog looked dark and sick, in fact I thought he might be dead.
I took him to an old bath-tub in the garden, with water in it and a branch as a bridge..
when I went later to check, he was swimming around, suddenly in paradise again.
It occurred to me that, to that frog, I wasn't God, because I did not make him, but that I was like Jesus, because I saved him,
and the resultant bond between us is the Holy Spirit, the energy that was created from my act of mercy.

Does it make sense to anyone?

Yeah, that makes sense, but God is supposed to be the one who gives paradise, needing no intercessor.

God doesn't need to come down in spirit, because God is already pervading everything everywhere, closer to us than our own jugular veins, animating all life.

God doesn't need partners to save humanity, God does all the saving, and by saving that frog, it is ultimately God who showed mercy to the frog.

God can show mercy to anyone. Why does the torture and horrible death of an innocent man need to happen in order for God to forgive people and give them paradise?

God is all powerful, God can give paradise to whoever God wants to give paradise to.

God is also not a human man, and so does not have children, which is what humans and animals have. God is the creator, the only creator, what God creates are called creations. Children are not the creations of their parents, but God creates parents and their children, they are not genetically related to God, who created genetics, but does not have a form or body and does not have genetics.

Everything in existence, everything everywhere is animated by God, God is within and without everything, surrounding everything inside and out. To say "God is in this specific form" is to imply God is not in everything and is not everywhere absolutely always. There is no place that God is not.

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-29-2011 11:06 AM)
It didn't HAVE to happen, I know it seems irrational, I think He wanted to experience our life, because we are so special to Him.
For the life of me, sometimes I can't understand why that Love is.
So much wrong here.
But, there it is, an unalienable reality.
He has a plan for us, which we do not fully understand yet, but in which we are key participants, all of us who have the ears to hear and the eyes to see.
He is all that you say He is, the half-God half-human that Jesus was,
doesn't take anything away from the glory of God, and His never-ending mercy and grace.

That is an interesting concept, but if God was not already "experiencing" our life, God would not be omniscient. God has knowledge of all things, from every aspect, and understands everything in every way better than we do. To say that at any point God did not know what it was like to be a human, or that God did not know exactly how something felt, or that God did not know what the experience was like in every way, would be to say that God is not omniscient. Omniscient means absolutely all knowing, having every bit of information, including every bit of information regarding sensation and experience.

So do you think the most excellent Master, the One God, went only into one specific body who is also his son somehow, and had himself tortured and killed? That God had lacked such knowledge prior?

God can do anything instantly, and does not need complex processes of self torture to do something. The "Love" of God is that God created us when God had no reason to create us, that God fed us, when God had the power to starve us, that God has helped us our whole life, every moment, sustaining all existence.

Nothing can take away from the glory of God, but Jesus is another creation of God, what is not imbued entirely with God, filled entirely with God, surrounded entirely with God? Everything is, even a speck of dust is. But none of these creations "are God entirely" because God can do away with anything and does not lose anything, yet anything that exists is made entirely of God, sustained entirely of God. What is not?

Though we may be the key participants in a plan, God also could create any other plan, any other way, and ultimately we are not key participants or "requirements", yet God created us without any need, because God has no needs or requirements, and supported us, and treats us with kindness, mercy, and justice.

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-29-2011 11:14 AM)
Yes, it does.

In choosing to do as He did, and come down to our planet,
He acted irrationally, it seems to us,
but it was a supreme act of Love.
Never to be repeated.
NO more death for Jesus

Where do you think God was, or what do you think God is that God traveled to our planet?

God was already present everywhere on the planet absolutely. God sees everything we see, knows everything we know, knows every detail of how we feel and what we experience and how we experience it in more ways than even we know. Jesus may have never died in the first place, and according to the Qur'an, God even prevented his torture and crucifiction from happening to him, nor does God require such things in order to forgive people of sins.

So God was already here, always, and was never not present, and God was already in everyone and everything, knowing them inside and out, knowing their experiences in every way, knowing their sensations. This is all part of the quality of "omniscience" and furthermore God created the possibility of all these things (such as every kind of sensation and experience) and God is the one who gives these things, and knows entirely how they feel, better than us. To say that God does not know how it feels, or lacks the information is to say God is not omniscient and take away one of the central qualities of God.

God is omnipotent (can forgive without complicated processes, having power to create anything or destroy anything in an instant, having the power to manipulate reality entirely without anyone noticing)

God is omnipresent (meaning everywhere absolutely, encompassing the entire Universe and all realities, pervading everywhere, inside you, behind your eyes, infront of your eyes, all around you, infinite meaning that there is no end and there is no center to God, God reaches in every direction without end, you can find no limitations or boundaries to God)

God is omniscient (meaning that God has absolutely all knowledge, experience, and sensation, and memory, all these things are information. God sees everything and hears everything in every possible way at every possible place, and God created all those sounds and sensations as well. God knows absolutely how everything feels for everyone at every time.)

kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-29-2011 11:44 AM)
I agree also, except I believe He does have a plan, which is to bring His Kingdom to the world: "In Earth as it is in Heaven".

I'm glad we agree on everything. I would say God is not made of particles of any kind, but created every kind of particle, and particles may be infinitely small, but God is everywhere, aware of everything.

I believe that God will create the Kingdom of Earth, and make it a paradise.

I believe the plan was to give humanity an opportunity to witness their own conduct so they can't deny the judgment when it comes.

Beyond that, it is an honor that I God has invented us and created us from nothing, when God did not require to do so, nor does God require to do anything.

The importance of this pre existence is perhaps to give us a chance to worship God and do goodness, so that we can agree with the judgment when it comes no matter what we have done, this is like we are testifying and collecting evidence against ourselves or for ourselves.

In the end, God will ressurect everyone. Those who spent their lives doing cruelty and harm will get exactly what they deserve, and those who did good will get exactly what they deserve. God is the judge, the final executor of justice, and the only one with any power to do this or that.

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Hi Freedom.........

Long time...........!

People have told me in the past you are either a bot or a plant. If you are a plant, what kind?........

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BadMoon  Wrote: (05-10-2011 03:28 AM)
Hi Freedom.........

Long time...........!

People have told me in the past you are either a bot or a plant. If you are a plant, what kind?........

I've always liked venus flytraps. Ideally I'd be a plant that can move around and talk. They actually said that plants can communicate, for example trees release something called W waves that communicate distress or are thought to be distress signals when they are being attacked.

I used to come on here often but then I totally quit for a while. I'm definitely not a bot or a plant! If I had to get a plant though I'd get one that was a bot so I didn't have to water it,

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