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Battle of Tenochtitlan
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Post: #61
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
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silversides  Wrote: (03-26-2019 11:52 AM)
The Indians had a much larger army but no armor, horses or guns...

Indigenous not Indians
Indians are from India
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03-26-2019 09:42 PM

 




Post: #62
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
BTW
It is only an apology
Is that so hard to make??
And this apology should be extended to all the original inhabitants, THE ORIGINAL PEOPLES OF THE AMERICAN CONTINENT...
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03-26-2019 09:49 PM

 




Post: #63
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
Lakeofmarch  Wrote: (03-26-2019 05:11 PM)
Report from the morning after: the sky over Tenochtitlan is brilliantly, overwhelminingly clear, with the volcanoes visible and the breathing fresh for once. It seems 'clearing the air' over what the country really feels and thinks was very, refreshingly literal. As for the comparative villainy of both sides, Brozo, a notable radio host here I've caught on separate taxis two days, said this regarding Malintzin, interpreter to the Spaniards: "This was a woman who had been traded as a slave five times by the time she was fifteen. She responded with gratitude and loyalty to the first person, Cortez, who saw her value and gave her opportunities to distinguish herself. Can you really blame her? And consider the treatment of women then was the same on both sides of the Atlantic!". Having just been to Tlaxcala myself (an eagle-headed baton of command rests on my desk as we speak), I think the time is ripe to part the wheat from the tares, on both and on all sides, and for the good to rally.

link to image: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...Cortes.JPG

Olé! And notice the Spanish king's unrelenting, evil-dragon "We stole and are keeping your treasure" with Clinton's "We are at least going to look sorry about it".

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Unusually clear...
You can see the Ajusco volcano to the left of the building...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I68y0EcpSWE
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03-26-2019 10:47 PM

 




Post: #64
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@lopezobrador_

"We are in Comalcalco, we are going to Centla to commemorate 500 years of the battle of the Spanish against the resistance of the Mayas-Chontales."

https://twitter.com/lopezobrador_/status...rage-spain


AMLO... would ask forgiveness for historic abuses and murders committed against indigenous Mexican peoples, including the Yaqui in the north of the country and the Maya in the south.

“Power is humility,” he said.

The president said he would also apologize for abuses committed against Chinese immigrants during the rule of dictator Porfirio Díaz, and in the conflict known as the Mexican Revolution that dominated the country after his ouster in 1911.

https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/l...rage-spain
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Post: #65
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And how TPTB won on the deal, from David Graeber's "Debt".
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The financial capital that backed these expeditions came from more or less the same place (if in this case Genoa, not Venice) . What's more, that relationship, between the daring adventurer on the one hand, the gambler willing to take any sort of risk, and on the other, the careful financier, whose entire operations are organized around producing steady, mathematical, inexorable growth of income, lies at the very heart of what we now call "capitalism." A s a result, our current economic system has always been marked by a peculiar dual character. Scholars have long been fascinated by Spanish debates that ensued, in Spanish universities like Santander, about the humanity of the Indians (Did they have souls? Could they have legal rights ? Was it legitimate to forcibly enslave them ? ) , j ust as they have argued about the real attitudes of the conquistadors (was it contempt, revulsion, or even grudging admiration for their adversaries ?) The real point is that at the key moments of decision, none of this mattered . Those making the decisions did not feel they were in control anyway; those who were did not particularly care to know the details. To take a telling example: after the earliest years of the gold and silver mines described by Motolinia, where millions of Indians were simply rounded up and marched off to their deaths, colonists settled on a policy of debt peonage: the usual trick of demanding heavy taxes, lending money at interest to those who could not pay, and then demanding that the loans be repaid with work. Royal agents regularly attempted to forbid such practices, arguing that the Indians were now Christian and that this violated their rights as loyal subjects of the Spanish crown. But as with almost all such royal efforts to act as protector of the Indians, the result was the same. Financial exigencies ended up taking precedence. Charles V himself was deeply in debt to banking firms in Florence, Genoa, and Naples, and gold and silver from the Americas made up perhaps one-fifth of his total revenue. In the end, despite a lot of initial noise and the (usually quite sincere) moral outrage on the part of the king's emissaries, such decrees were either ignored or, at best, enforced for a year or two before being allowed to slip into abeyance.
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Phil Six knows this perfectly well, and will dig in his Jerusalem heels until the cows come home before (gasp!) admitting something was lost. He lives on such gall.

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How small it would have been from the beginning!
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Post: #66
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
When will Homo Sapiens apologise to the decendants of Neanderthal? Fskepftr
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03-27-2019 02:01 AM

 




Post: #67
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Isn't that beautiful how Spain rejects to give an apology to the genocide they made in the conqueror of Mexico
BUT not if it is for the JEWS...

Welcome home, 500 years later: Spain offers citizenship to Sephardic Jews

https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-...story.html


Sephardic Jews invited back to Spain after 500 years

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21631427


Just wow....
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03-27-2019 02:13 AM

 




Post: #68
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
Hernán Cortés: Brutal conquest of the Aztec Empire

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archa...ochtitlan/


60 million, the Indigenous killed after the conquest

http://www.cronica.com.mx/notas/2002/24297.html
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Post: #69
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-27-2019 02:01 AM)
Isn't that beautiful how Spain rejects to give an apology to the genocide they made in the conqueror of Mexico
BUT not if it is for the JEWS...

Welcome home, 500 years later: Spain offers citizenship to Sephardic Jews

https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-...story.html


Sephardic Jews invited back to Spain after 500 years

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21631427


Just wow....

whaaat??

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Post: #70
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
The Rise & Fall of the Aztec 650-1521

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWDobrqLofQ
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Post: #71
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
Conquistador Hernán Cortés : Fall of the Aztecs. Full Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmNCwHesVr8
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Post: #72
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And here's how they wasted the wealth utterly and destroyed a whole world civilization leaving only glass beads. This is Latin America's deadbeat dad, the kind that runs off at the drop of a hat and comes back only to steal for more booze money. Spanish companies have done huge corruption scandals here very, very recently.




My Tao is great, but seems odd, like nothing on earth; if it was like anything else,
How small it would have been from the beginning!
https://terebess.hu/english/tao/wu.html
[Image: Figura-081.jpg]
Son Calenda/Fudo Myoo
secretsun.blogspot.com
Axte Incal, Axtuce Mun
-NO8DO-
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03-27-2019 06:27 AM

 




Post: #73
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Its called NATURE. Get the f*#k over it. Why some humans think they are so f*cking special is beyond my comprehension. From the smallest parts of all known existence to the largest.. THIS is the WAY of 'life'. Biology trumps everything we think we are. Probably why some want AI so very much. And even that will follow the nature of existence. 'Survival of the fittest' and all that. Trees must be evil.. animals must be evil.. the universe itself must be evil. And EVERYTHING should apologize to everything else GOD DAMN IT!

Idiots. Motherfuckingidiots. YOU are NOT 'special' in the way you think you are! Try focusing on the good that humans do..and have done.. for a change.. narcissistic woe is me and woe is them and special is me for pretending to care so much about them when really its just me attempting to make me feel better for the very nature of 'being'. Good luck. Youre still just as capable of being as brutal and terrible as all those from our past.. our present.. and our future.. that you project yourself on to. Go on.. feel guilty for being just as shitty as every other thing in existence.. some of us live in reality though and will NOT concede our understanding of it.
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Post: #74
RE: Battle of Tenochtitlan
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-26-2019 09:42 PM)
BTW
It is only an apology
Is that so hard to make??
And this apology should be extended to all the original inhabitants, THE ORIGINAL PEOPLES OF THE AMERICAN CONTINENT...

There were NO 'original peoples'. Every single group immigrated here at some point. And theres still some serious debate as to who/when/how. So stfu.
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03-27-2019 06:32 AM

 




Post: #75
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-26-2019 09:33 PM)
silversides  Wrote: (03-26-2019 11:52 AM)
The Indians had a much larger army but no armor, horses or guns...

Indigenous not Indians
Indians are from India

..yeah.. okay.. tell that to all the indians who still call themselves indians.. particularly the elders who havent bought into the residential school system that has now been carried on into todays progressive politically correct insanity. You DO know that eskimos and indians who are old enough to remember reality dont buy your brainwashed propaganda and narrative.. dont you?
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