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We are witnessing the rise of authoritarianism on a chilling scale
KillTheCarnage
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•REC⁴  Wrote: (01-08-2018 04:42 PM)
India's top court to review past verdict on gay sex ban

Let India be India!

Anyone in the major cities in India who is gay goes about pretty freely. The Caste system is more of an employment barrier for most.

In the rural areas, they're no different than being gay in any hardcore redneck state. People are free to leave, and Indians find it easy to settle abroad, so why should India be beholden to western ideals and laws?

You know what's REALLY authoritarian? Demanding every last country on the planet have the exact same laws regardless of their history and cultural norms.

Let them emigrate rather than jail them or throw them off buildings is what I say.

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KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:17 PM)
•REC⁴  Wrote: (01-08-2018 04:42 PM)
These issues can be divided in to how the state treats LGBT and how individuals treat LGBT.

While people have their own prejudices, the state shouldn't discriminate.
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The entire purpose of having a state at all is for the state to discriminate and make choices that will give the most benefit to it's people.

When there is less monopoly power in any form, discrimination is no longer an issue.

A gay person whose business is declined by one bakery is free to go to another.

Maybe with MORE discrimination allowed, there would be more alternatives for people to go to in every line of business.
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Tommy Pastrami
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01-08-2018 05:26 PM

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Fight authoritarianism with authoritarianism? What can possibly go wrong?

"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false." ~Thomas Jefferson
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:19 PM)
KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:17 PM)
The entire purpose of having a state at all is for the state to discriminate and make choices that will give the most benefit to it's people.

When there is less monopoly power in any form, discrimination is no longer an issue.

A gay person whose business is declined by one bakery is free to go to another.

Maybe with MORE discrimination allowed, there would be more alternatives for people to go to in every line of business.

We both know that isn't how it works.

For whatever reason, the homosexual agenda pushers will never be content with just being equal, they have and will always push for the "right" to force others to give them privileges that no other group in society has.
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01-08-2018 05:31 PM

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:25 PM)
We are witnessing people reposting lame threads on a chilling scale.Jptdknpa

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KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:29 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:19 PM)
When there is less monopoly power in any form, discrimination is no longer an issue.

A gay person whose business is declined by one bakery is free to go to another.

Maybe with MORE discrimination allowed, there would be more alternatives for people to go to in every line of business.

We both know that isn't how it works.

For whatever reason, the homosexual agenda pushers will never be content with just being equal, they have and will always push for the "right" to force others to give them privileges that no other group in society has.

Every minority group does that. Nassim Taleb had a writes and tweets about that on occasion - the tyranny of the minority.

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-into...1f83ce4e15

The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:11 PM)
•REC⁴  Wrote: (01-08-2018 04:42 PM)
India's top court to review past verdict on gay sex ban

Let India be India!

Anyone in the major cities in India who is gay goes about pretty freely. The Caste system is more of an employment barrier for most.

In the rural areas, they're no different than being gay in any hardcore redneck state. People are free to leave, and Indians find it easy to settle abroad, so why should India be beholden to western ideals and laws?

You know what's REALLY authoritarian? Demanding every last country on the planet have the exact same laws regardless of their history and cultural norms.

Let them emigrate rather than jail them or throw them off buildings is what I say.

"Let India be India". Spoken like a true statist.

I'm more interested in people, than states. On this occasion Indian LGBT people, who have as much right to live in liberty and dignity as you do. Maybe you would like to trade places with an Indian LGBT?

I also believe in progress, so I will defend it from backwardness and mysticism.
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Losing Faith in the State, Some Mexican Towns Quietly Break Away

Local orchard owners, who export over $1 million in avocados per day, mostly to the United States, underwrite what has effectively become an independent city-state. Self-policing and self-governing, it is a sanctuary from drug cartels as well as from the Mexican state.

But beneath the calm is a town under tightfisted control, enforced by militias accountable only to their paymasters. Drug addiction and suicide are soaring, locals say, as the social contract strains.

Tancítaro represents a quiet but telling trend in Mexico, where a handful of towns and cities are effectively seceding, partly or in whole. These are acts of desperation, revealing the degree to which Mexico’s police and politicians are seen as part of the threat.
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Visit three such enclaves — Tancítaro; Monterrey, a rich commercial city; and Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, just outside the capital — and you will find a pattern. Each is a haven of relative safety amid violence, suggesting that their diagnosis of the problem was correct. But their gains are fragile and have come at significant cost.

It began with an uprising. Townspeople formed militias to eject both the cartel, which effectively controlled much of Michoacán, and the local police, who were seen as complicit. Orchard owners, whose families and businesses faced growing extortion threats, bankrolled the revolt.

This left Tancítaro without police or a government, whose officials had fled. Power accumulated to the militias that controlled the streets and to their backers, an organization of wealthy avocado growers known as the Junta de Sanidad Vegetal, or Plant Health Council. Citizens sometimes call it the Junta.

Nearly four years in, long after other militia-run towns in Michoacán collapsed into violence, the streets remain safe and tidy. But in sweeping away the institutions that enabled crime to flourish, Tancítaro created a system that in many ways resembles cartel control.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/07/world...5D&gwt=pay
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KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:17 PM)
•REC⁴  Wrote: (01-08-2018 04:42 PM)
These issues can be divided in to how the state treats LGBT and how individuals treat LGBT.

While people have their own prejudices, the state shouldn't discriminate.
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The entire purpose of having a state at all is for the state to discriminate and make choices that will give the most benefit to it's people.


I'll expand that- it's not the state's job to discriminate on sexuality [among other things of course].
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I'd thought we had progressed through the part of human history, where the state tries to enforce religion on people.
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•REC⁴  Wrote: (01-08-2018 07:24 PM)
KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-08-2018 05:17 PM)
The entire purpose of having a state at all is for the state to discriminate and make choices that will give the most benefit to it's people.


I'll expand that- it's not the state's job to discriminate on sexuality [among other things of course].

Incorrect, it's one of the states most important jobs.

The state discriminates in sexuality to promote the interests of it's people. The state is the force which guides the moral and social norms of coupling, marriage, child rearing, and the stability of the family unit. The homosexual agenda corrodes the family unit, and was rightfully kept in check for ages.

While homosexuality should not be directly outlawed, freedom and whatnot, homosexuals should not be given extra rights or privileges, ever.

If they don't like it, then they can turn straight, problem solved.
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KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-09-2018 02:54 PM)
•REC⁴  Wrote: (01-08-2018 07:24 PM)
I'll expand that- it's not the state's job to discriminate on sexuality [among other things of course].

Incorrect, it's one of the states most important jobs.

The state discriminates in sexuality to promote the interests of it's people. The state is the force which guides the moral and social norms of coupling, marriage, child rearing, and the stability of the family unit. The homosexual agenda corrodes the family unit, and was rightfully kept in check for ages.

While homosexuality should not be directly outlawed, freedom and whatnot, homosexuals should not be given extra rights or privileges, ever.

If they don't like it, then they can turn straight, problem solved.

Of course this post does not whatsoever speak for anyone else who disagrees with REC's continual warmongering.

"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false." ~Thomas Jefferson
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The state, any state, is one of religion. The state, any state is a religion.

because of their own preconceptions, very few people will comprehend this.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-09-2018 03:02 PM)
The state, any state, is one of religion. The state, any state is a religion.

because of their own preconceptions, very few people will comprehend this.

This is true to a point.

The state creates the moral fiber of it's people through laws.

Laws determine what is right conduct and wrong conduct.

This establishes the basis of morality in society, more than organized religion does.
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Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (01-09-2018 03:00 PM)
KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-09-2018 02:54 PM)
Incorrect, it's one of the states most important jobs.

The state discriminates in sexuality to promote the interests of it's people. The state is the force which guides the moral and social norms of coupling, marriage, child rearing, and the stability of the family unit. The homosexual agenda corrodes the family unit, and was rightfully kept in check for ages.

While homosexuality should not be directly outlawed, freedom and whatnot, homosexuals should not be given extra rights or privileges, ever.

If they don't like it, then they can turn straight, problem solved.

Of course this post does not whatsoever speak for anyone else who disagrees with REC's continual warmongering.

You just had to get your virtue signalling in for the day, am I right?
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KillTheCarnage  Wrote: (01-09-2018 03:13 PM)
Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (01-09-2018 03:00 PM)
Of course this post does not whatsoever speak for anyone else who disagrees with REC's continual warmongering.

You just had to get your virtue signalling in for the day, am I right?

No, I had to stop REC from equating everyone who disagrees with him as believing your stupidity, giving him the moral highground.

I'm anti-war because I'm anti-killing people. That's it.

"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false." ~Thomas Jefferson
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