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Existence Loading
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Post: #16
RE: Existence Loading
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1110.00  Wrote: (03-24-2018 09:14 PM)
Eighties-Configured Medium ALICE Combat Field Pack



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnxgwIYU1U

Judas Priest's Hell Bent for Leather album synced, beginning with Hell Bent for Leather, seems to indicate that he black anodized parts are in fact charcoal gray, which is kind of what the "black-painted" M-81 Camo ALICE Pack Frames look like.

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #17
RE: Existence Loading

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #18
RE: Existence Loading
French Military Tent



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi1XN1EMTf0

Luxury version of a soldier-buddy-system shelter.

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #19
RE: Existence Loading
USGI Shelter-Halves Tent



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZw2vrNBNQA

Designed for two-soldiers to carry, such that any two soldiers combined together can set up a pup tent. I'm guessing in order to save weight, the earliest versions were missing door-flaps on one end.

Site-prep using your e-tool is what makes or breaks the experience of using one of these (training and experience). You can dig a drainage trough around the tent, and use the removed soil to cover the edges of the pup tent.

This item makes the most sense for use within the context of a large-enough military force, with a standardized gear-set. It is also an excellent item to "issue" to a Cub Scout, so they can practice some manner of survival skills in the back yard; a patrol-type sleeping bag and ground mat/cushion/poncho-liner of some kind are also good Cub Scout items ... USGI Angle Head Flashlight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter-half

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #20
RE: Existence Loading
All of these packs are virtually useless unless you are just out in the wilderness having fun, then these are excellent suggestions!

If you need to bug out/in I would suggest something not military looking. I even had a regular tennis racket bag lined and fitted with HD zippers and strap. It holds a carbine length sig 556 folded with a half integral can perfectly.
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Post: #21
RE: Existence Loading
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-04-2018 08:08 AM)
All of these packs are virtually useless unless you are just out in the wilderness having fun, then these are excellent suggestions!

If you need to bug out/in I would suggest something not military looking. I even had a regular tennis racket bag lined and fitted with HD zippers and strap. It holds a carbine length sig 556 folded with a half integral can perfectly.

Depends on what you mean by "bugging out." A pack is a red flag item under many emergency circumstances ("ISIS"-pickups intercepting you on the way out of town or whatever), so I'd rather have what I trust to use should I survive for long enough to use it. Backpacks usually fit into car-trunks anyway.

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #22
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Contract Dated 1974, Camera and Scout Kit Equipped, Medium ALICE Field Pack



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIVwsnJ8904

These were a touch-bit lighter in weight and didn't accommodate as much as the eighties era Medium ALICE Packs could via the main pack straps. This one should hold onto the sniper veil I put in the straps down low and little more, save maybe a couple LAW Rockets or patrol sleeping bag up at the very top. This one is matched up to a black DEI 1609 Pack frame, 1983-dated LC-2 Shoulder Straps, and a nineties era LC-2, Gen II Waist Belt. There is an Army Aviator night vision case up top that contains a Nikon Camera, knife sharpening kit some medial items, personal items, and a camera maintenance kit. This AN/AVS-6 case is ideal for the Medium ALICE, versus the larger, black AN/PVS-7 case, which I use for the Large ALICE Packs. This setup makes for a nice, lightweight day-excursion pack that presently weighs in at 27 lbs and should zero in on 31 lbs loaded for bear.

There is a base layer change only (no full uniform); one of my Pretty Cheap Wool Scout Ponchos (54" x 60,"95% melton wool, olive color, from NYC Fashion Center); Wiggy's Liner Jacket; slant-pocket jungle fatigue shirt; PCU L4 Windshirt; camera/first aid/hygiene kit in pilot's night vision case; "fast mover" kit which includes gaiters, gloves, and goggles; scout kit; navigation kit; signal kit; fire kit; MRE; camo stick; etc.... I plan to integrate one of my Skilcraft classification folder based documentation kits into the pack, using an M-1A1 Waterproof Gas Mask Bag; fits documents perfectly, as well as the radio/document pouch in the Medium ALICE Pack, which measures 11-12 x 9 inches, just similar enough to the 12 x 12 standard of the USGI Map/Photograph Case to work.

The mid-eighties packs are still state of the art light infantry field packs in comparison (though not that much different), but this is a bit more convenient for use as a camera/scout ruck of light weight and little bulk - and "jungle ready" though the rather dark and "khaki" od green, 1982-contract-dated items color-combine effectively with the jungle-shaded od green pack-cloth of the ruck; the shoulder straps are winter compatible color-wise, so a white, winter-pack-cover will render this kit winter compatible for day out excursons. The mid-eighties rucks also accommodate the vinyl e-tool carrier more gracefully in the center-outer pouch, so this one keeps the binoculars there instead (no e-tool for this kit).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9BL4wf_xRg

The Medium ALICE's are a bit more "cowboy."

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #23
RE: Existence Loading
Alaska Use of British Military Gear: Bergen Based



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Er_-Shg8n0

I consider this to be an example of niche use of a gear system, by virtue of the Alaska situation (which is a serious cold weather survival issue) and the nature of the operations being conducted. So this "niche" idea is heavily interpretation-based on my part, again based on the typical likely situation out in the field; the typical gear-load is going to be heavier for most of the year.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OO41aSuwf4

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #24
RE: Existence Loading
Blanket Stitch



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTRSsbqUso

I am going to try this stitch as a means of developing some hand sewing skills, as well as to add some durability to my Pretty Cheap Wool Scout Ponchos, to include around the neck hole. I will source some wool thread of appropriate gauge, preferably in dark olive, black, or dark forest green, to camouflage-color-match with the olive melton wool (95%) that I use for my ponchos. I make the neck hole by folding the 54" x 60" fabric in-half length-wise, then in-half cross-wise (or about in-half) to find the neck hole location at a corner of the folded fabric. Then, by using a dollar bill, I measure out a neck-hole slit at the appropriate corner along the fold; it winds up being about twice the length of the dollar bill.

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #25
RE: Existence Loading
ALICE Afternoon Gossip Live: Saturday Edition



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HI5myacxw

The 1974 Medium ALICE Packs

I now have three 1974 contract-dated Medium ALICE Packs. One is the used-condition pack that I video recorded installed onto a Rothco LC-1 Pack Frame, and then there is the one in the above video that is installed onto a DEI 1609 Pack Frame (Downeast Innovation, LLC.). The third is another brand-new condition one that, like the one in the above video, is pristine to the point that it looks manufactured yesterday, to include the rubber-coated fabric layer underneath the pack lid. I got all of these jungle-shaded od green items from armynavysales.com. A good-condition used 1976-dated version of Medium ALICE in Germany-shaded od green rounds out the collection in this style of pack, a late seventies transitional pack that is on video is also included in this collection; one of the first modifications to the original design was changing the main pack straps over to metal ladder locking strap adjusters, with more 1 inch webbing available for holding items such as Law Rockets and patrol sleeping backs more reliably - plus the older bite-clip strap adjusters could get jammed when full of sand.

The two new-condition 1974's look to be made by different contractors (not named on label) and the webbing retainers on the outer pockets size a bit differently, with my without frame setup having the ones that fit my seventies (probably) General Purpose Straps exactly (one is marked "experimental"), and the ones on my framed version in the above video looking as though they were designed to fit a wider pistol belt, which they do not actually fit due to the metal hardware on the pistol belt. I have a new-condition mid-1986-dated pistol belt with the fully winter (below -30degF) compatible metal buckles typically found on the seventies belts that I attempted to fit around the pack through the webbing retainers; it wouldn't fit. A 1986-dated 45 Caliber Ammo Pouch, like the one in the above video, pairs up with that pistol belt. They are nicely made pouches, of which I have three that I got from armynavysales.com. The Blastmatch Fire Starter I have fits the pouch exactly, as does the 400 Series Multi-Tool by Gerber. The Ontario Knife Company RAT 3 is also installed in the above video.

The one-quart canteen mounting onto the Medium ALICE Packs turned out to be an interesting trial and error "lesson plan." I "became inspired" and decided to wrestle with mounting a single-quart canteen to the Medium ALICE in the video above. I then realized, as I was mounting the canteen pouch, that a third ALICE Clip could be used to act as a third mounting point, adding stability to the kit so that the canteen doesn't flop around if you decide the GP Strap is not needed in order to shave a few ounces of weight off the kit. I recently realized that a more "airborne reliable," though slightly less convenient, way to use the third ALICE Clip is to mount it in opposite fashion to the one seen in the above video. With the more recent clip-install, one simply rotates the canteen a bit on its mount to slip the canteen cap-retainer loop off the opened ALICE Clip; the loop tends to stay on the end of the clip opposite the opening portion of the ALICE Clip. How the canteen fits the pack depends some on how the canteen pouch is built precision-wise. The difficult-to-find, dark Germany-shade od green, 1982-dated one seen in the above video mounts a bit low, as it is "one of those mass-produced items." The mounting still works out great, with the GP strap tending to protect and retain the snap-connections of the canteen pouch flaps. The two dark green (2000 and 2004) one-quart canteens on my frame-less 1974 kit mount a bit higher so that the GP Strap rests along the top of the little water purification tablet pouches sewn onto the outside of the Canteen Pouches.

The US First Aid/Compass Pouches mounted up high are 1982-dated dark Germany-shaded versions that I have on several of my Medium ALICE Packs, to include the one in the video below which is my 1984-dated Medium ALICE Pack in Germany-shaded od green. I recently acquired a German military surplus rubber coated ("infused?") wet weather poncho to mount onto the outside of this pack when I use it again, right next the the flashlight mounted on there. The poncho is high quality (still) and rendered in a variation of medium brown military drab.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSEYVe3Tpbw

Another ALICE acquisition consists of a recent-production 35L DriSak made by SnugPak. The XXL versions of the pack liners are the ones reputed to fit the Medium ALICE Pack, and since my decade-old ProForce versions were all being used to line various EDC packs and another Medium ALICE Pack, I decided to get a new XXL-size pack liner from SnugPak. My older ones are black, with a black waterproofing that almost looks like rubber but more "teflon," but still grips onto items some. These older versions have all been turned inside out so that I can use them in a manner similar to how the US ALICE Pack Liners with their rubber coating work in gripping to the inside of the pack or ruck to allow items to be pushed inside and quickly removed, the pack liner tending to remain inside the ruck. I just cuff the closing strap so that the plastic buckles are to the outside, allowing the normal sealing procedure to be used when closing the DriSak so that it can resist moisture-infiltration into the interior of the pack and its contents. The newer one by SnugPak uses a clear waterproofing that doesn't grip as much, so I will probably wind up using it as most people do; just remove it from the package and slip it into the ruck. The 35L size works well with the Medium ALICE Pack. My frame-less '74 ALICE is a public area excursion pack, to include enclosed areas of travel and the like, so the odor associated with the US ALICE Pack Liners will not do.

I have assembled on an experimental basis a document kit for use with my ALICE Packs. I am using a dish-washed (with grease-cutting detergent) "Bag, Waterproof, CBR Mask: M1A1" gas mask dri-sak as a document protector for use inside the radio pouch, which typically measures approximately 11.5" x 10," effecting a thin version of the 12" x 12" US Map/Photograph Case. I purchased online a box of ten Classification Folders made by Skilcraft (green: "Folder, File, LTR 2/5 Cut Tab, 2" Exp, MSGN" - $30.00). These tougher grade file folders can expand to 2 inches and have six sections to hang documents from plus a slot to place protected photos or other pamphlet type items in. I have 30 sheets of college ruled paper on the back cover, with some 3 x 5 cards hanging opposite. On the front cover there is a large, 36" x 48" topographical map hung on the bendable tabs, with a "Don't Get Lost FM" hung on the opposite section. In the center fold there is room for hanging protocols to one side and opsec-safe mission/training/administrative/collected-information on the other side. The folder fits the waterproof bag perfectly, right up to the "do not roll down below this line" line on the bag, which simply folds over the top of the folder before being inserted into the radio pouch for a perfect fit, folded flap away from the shoulder blades. The kit does lend a bit of "internal frame" shape to the frame-less ruck, which looks like it is going to weigh in at 25 lbs of minimalist survival ("in case lost survival").

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #26
RE: Existence Loading
ALICE Afternoon Gossip Live: Saturday Edition, Part 2

My frame-less 1974 experiment looks like it will load out to 25 lbs. It is difficult to load the thing "basic training with rain gear and MRE the way it was done on the after-dark tank trail, all superhuman feeling," as in my old age I am inclined to pack some serious snivel, er ... minimalist survival gear for older people to be able to survive with. After loading into the ruck's radio pouch the above-post-mentioned document kit, in went the emergency-only clothing change, 72" x 60" Pretty Cheap Wool Scout Poncho, and the od green polyester micro fleece outer warm-layer for the summer half of the year use on the hiking/nature trail. This was all packed down on the bottom of the ruck, inside the XXL/35L SnugPak DriSak (od green), each item sealed in a large-enough zip-lock bag. On the top of this there is one of my M-3 Medic Bags with the hunk o' mud brown/gray colored German military surplus wet weather poncho (supposedly only slightly smaller than the US version, due to cm measures), VS-17 Marker Panel (emergency signal and extra ground layer for under my wool poncho and inside the wet weather poncho if emergency camping), and other survival/camp kit.

Outer pockets on the ruck contain, at ten o'clock, an MCU L4 Windshirt (zip-jacket) quick-pull weather layer with gloves, socks, fleece watch cap, and mesh air-pocket-insulation layer (Wiggy's: experimental as under L4 layer or under fleece sleep layer, wet weather poncho only loosely covering unless there is rain - might do sump'm). At twelve o'clock there is whatever scout/mission kit I am carrying, and at two o'clock there is a broken-down-augmented MRE as reserve/emergency-only food.

The two single-quart canteens mentioned in the above post are reserve water supplies with at least one bottle of iodine water purification tablets available to last about 3 days of lost in the woods activity and a stainless steel US Canteen Cup. The canteen mounted to the right elbow (they do stay out of the way) is a collapsably type that allows for one pint to be consumed and air squeezed out for silent movement with the remaining pint not sloshing around and increasing the work-load of the brain (freeze - get low - look, listen, and smell ... people ... hear that generator off in the distance? Lethal area; ahead?). They fit using the 47" GP Strap exactly to "inconvenient ruck standard you might expect" (not complaining), with the GP strap completely lengthened out and having to use a bit of effort to pull the GP Strap out way from the fairly stuffed ruck to get that second canteen into it's cup-less canteen cover (pouch), but fit it does and with - again - no noise issues that canteens flopping around on a ruck might cause.

I can tell that with the frame-less ruck, stuffed like this, that there will be issues with the kidneys, as on me this frame-less Medium ALICE Pack rests on my kidneys. The ALICE system seems perfectly optimized for someone an inch less than my 6' height, as it is at around 5'10" that individuals start to complain about not being able to lift their helmeted heads up to fire their rifles, their ALICE ruck wear-style tending to be up high a bit, with the waist belt secured at low waist level (resting weight on the top of the pelvis). The shoulder straps tend to be worn differently by short people too (with the framed rucks at least), pads seeming to slope down from the frame, over the shoulders, with the metal adjusters lower, towards the Latissimus Dorsi muscles. It seems like your typical 5'11" person probably hits the sweet spot in regards ALICE ruck fitment. With a framed ALICE, the waist belt tends to rest on top of my pelvis (I try to keep my pants and thin web belt up high enough to minimize its skin-abrading contact with the ruck-waist-belt, it crossing belts at an optimum point), with the ruck combat-low enough behind the shoulders (never had trouble lifting my helmeted head to fire a rifle), and the metal bits on the shoulder straps carefully adjusted towards the front of my armpits (off the brachial plexus exiting nerves).

Another item worth mentioning is the Wiggy's Liner Jacket, which will fit this ruck setup, replacing the micro-fleece jacket with something more survival oriented should the outside temperature drop due to maybe arctic air arriving from up north with a cold front, at higher elevation or whatever. The fleece jacket to me is a convenient and rather camouflage enough, drab od green item to wear as an outer warm-layer, but might become a dangerous item if used improperly to the point it, for example, becomes waterlogged as a mid-layer under a waterproof weather-layer. I do have the liner jacket in MARPAT camouflage, but I tend to wear them as an under-outer-layer, under some kind of battle shirt, field jacket, coat, or even poncho (like a makeshift, micro, summer-time sleeping bag). Depends on the kit and how close the season is to expected cool weather.

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #27
RE: Existence Loading
ALICE Afternoon Gossip Live: Later in the Week Edition



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px3h-yxzL4c

The Skilcraft Classification Folder Document/Photo Kit, using the M1A1 CBR Mask Waterproof Bag, lends some "internal frame" shape to the top of the frame-less Medium ALICE Pack without it extending down too far towards the bottom of the ruck and contributing to any kidney pressure. As it is packed now (previous post), at 28 pounds, the fitment is much easier of the kidneys. Taking the ruck out for a few miles allows the load to settle down lower in the ruck so that it has a solid point of contact below kidney level, the ALICE Waist Strap holding the ruck against the lower back with minimal bounce. This load-out would translate to a 29.25 to 30 pound load-out on a framed pack, depending on the frame used. Of course, it isn't hot out just yet, so the summer will tell as to how well this setup works. At least right now it doesn't feel like a lump back there, torque-bouncing on top of the kidneys.

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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Post: #28
RE: Existence Loading
ALICE 2018

"60 LB Type" Large ALICE Pack Load-Out



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0TaP_d8j_g

The above pictured patrol configured (fashion-n-fitment configured for the video) Large ALICE Pack and LC-2 Pack Frame, including the CamelBak-N-Canteen and Butt Pack configuration will form the basis for this ruck load build-up. I have acquired a a "two uniforms and plenty o' shirts" packing list from a Fort Campbell pdf document that I plane to carefully adapt, initially in a "three-season anywhere 48 states" fashion, and maybe later a "48 states winter configuration." There have been hints finding me that 60 LBS is some kind of important configuration to know, though really it would tend to be in my mind a 45 LBS setup with the normal 15 LBS of added mission gear added. I am hoping to hit around 55 LBS to keep extreme loads from exceeding the 70 LBS that the Large ALICE is designed for. I am at the point where I can realize some "significantly higher than normally expected loads" fitment-wise into a Large ALICE with minimal "prospector jalopy" going on with the setup; sleep system of course constituting some added bulk with a 20degF rated inner sleeping bag, and a 28 inch wide ground pad mounted onto the ruck.

One issue that will be dealt with up front is adequate shoulder straps, as this is in my opinion the "weakest link" in the traditional ALICE configuration which, in my opinion, limits the weight one will be able to carry with he ALICE Packs. I will be using the newer, Improved LC-2 Shoulder Straps with the sternum strap. The older, quick-release versions are good designs, but the geometry of the ALICE Pack does not quite optimize these shoulder straps in "gourmet" fitment fashion, so that you can get the comfort that these properly fitted shoulder straps might offer. Some who have wider shoulders may beg to differ, but I've notice, especially with frame-less Medium ALICE that the straps tend to rest a bit too much on the shoulder joints, even when I optimize them as I have described in the past for my body type; thoughts of sternum straps tend to run across my might after a couple hours out. Somehow the two-quart canteen weighing down the left shoulder side of the pack helps, planting the right shoulder strap perfectly into the shoulder pocket.

Summer Buildup of a Three-Season Ruck at Less Than 60 LBS Total Load Weight

*future packing list*

"The Precipitant has a smaller place in reality, thus it is mortal."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMCQrAxylM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0619bdpOolA
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