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Origins Of The Deep State, a Clever Mask Of Elite Oligarchs
Natura Naturans
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Origins Of The Deep State, a Clever Mask Of Elite Oligarchs
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We can trace the deep state directly to the Fabian Society of England. The Fabian Society was not hiding the fact that they were duping the world, here is their shield:

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It is a wolf in sheep's clothing. You would think that would be a dead giveaway that the motives of the group were diametrically opposed to their socialist policies. But this hidden agenda behind communism and socialism has played out in EVERY socialist/communist country on Earth. After taking over countries, socialism and communism take away all human rights and reduce the populations to slaves to the ruling elite. North Korea is the poster child for this.

These three installments on the subject by the Duran are the best documentary on this I have seen. They show bit by bit how the Fabian Society ideals resulted in the destruction of American industry and the middle class through free trade. President Trump is the only President in over 100 years to change course against the deep state, and it is still up in the air if he will win or the deep state.

https://theduran.com/the-origins-of-the-...h-america/

https://theduran.com/the-origins-of-the-...a-part-ii/

https://theduran.com/the-origins-of-the-...-part-iii/

Keep in mind that the push for a global government is the Fabian society on steroids. Once the UN obtains global governance the gloves will come off. The same thing happened to the EU, once power was concentrated away from individual countries draconian laws against personal freedom were passed, and the doors flung open for murderous terrorist immigrants to enter. Each country was assigned "qoutas" of how many illegal immigrants they must allow, OR BE SANCTIONED AND FINED!

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The British plan of oligarchic rule actually predates the Fabian Society. The British pioneered free trade to destroy domestic industry in it's colonies. Gandhi is often pictured with a spinning wheel, he championed indigenous industry instead of slavery by cheap British imports. But the American system consisting of tariff's to stimulate American industry, made America a world power. Abraham Lincoln saw this clearly as did our founding fathers:

“Two systems are before the world; the one looks to increasing the proportion of persons and of capital engaged in trade and transportation, and therefore to diminishing the proportion engaged in producing commodities with which to trade, with necessarily diminished return to the labor of all; while the other looks to increasing the proportion engaged in the work of production, and diminishing that engaged in trade and transportation, with increased return to all, giving to the laborer good wages, and to the owner of capital good profits… One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other we may be proud to call the American system, for it is the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world.”

-Henry C. Carey (Lincoln’s advisor), Harmony of Interests, 1856

A countries only protection against the ruin of it's industry is tariffs

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It's quite obvious that the "deep state" and it's free trade policies have ruined the industrial heart of the US. One only has to look at Detroit, Chicago, and entire states like Illinois and Ohio to see the devastation free trade has wrought.

The globalists don't care about the welfare of the people, all they care about is power and control for globalist oligarchs. Shifting production offshore means more profit for multinationals, and less taxes.

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What role do the Banks and Insurance Companies have? Is it the British system or the American system which Banks and Insurance Companies play in creating magic money so to speak.
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The labor parties of the world are just further examples of the leftist exploitation of labor. Workers do not benefit from free trade, they are duped into supporting labor parties but in no way benefit from them. American workers who supported the Democratic party are in the same boat. Not only have they not benefited from the Democrats free trade agreements like Nafta, but a large majority no longer have jobs, lost to China and mexico. Ross Perot famously said:


In the second 1992 Presidential Debate, Ross Perot argued:

We have got to stop sending jobs overseas. It's pretty simple: If you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor, ... have no health care—that's the most expensive single element in making a car— have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south.
... when [Mexico's] jobs come up from a dollar an hour to six dollars an hour, and ours go down to six dollars an hour, and then it's leveled again. But in the meantime, you've wrecked the country with these kinds of deals.[1]

Perot ultimately lost the election, and the winner, Bill Clinton, supported NAFTA, which went into effect on January 1, 1994.

And now two decades later, Detroit is in ruins, and hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs are GONE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sucking_sound

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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 05:59 PM)
It's quite obvious that the "deep state" and it's free trade policies have ruined the industrial heart of the US. One only has to look at Detroit, Chicago, and entire states like Illinois and Ohio to see the devastation free trade has wrought.

The globalists don't care about the welfare of the people, all they care about is power and control for globalist oligarchs. Shifting production offshore means more profit for multinationals, and less taxes.

Personally I don't think it's the result of free trade policies alone, but rather financialization of the economy via endless credit. This credit banks conjure from nothing, they can naked short the economy any time they want.

In the case of the US, the dollar is used as the world's reserve currency to set up bills of credit between nations, and to purchase oil. That creates an artificial demand for dollars in foreign nations, allowing our banks and government to counterfeit the productive economy with debt.

If the dollar wasn't used as the reserve currency, we could not issue nearly as much debt without directly impacting the value of the dollar in world markets. It would force us to increase our productive output to remain competitive in the world market.

The fact our economy is grossly imbalanced between consumption and production is a direct result of the financialization of our economy. It's why the stock market is seen as the economy instead of real jobs and wages, etc. It's why we have a financial oligarchy that owns 80% of all the nations wealth and continues to garner more of that wealth every day.

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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:06 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 05:59 PM)
It's quite obvious that the "deep state" and it's free trade policies have ruined the industrial heart of the US. One only has to look at Detroit, Chicago, and entire states like Illinois and Ohio to see the devastation free trade has wrought.

The globalists don't care about the welfare of the people, all they care about is power and control for globalist oligarchs. Shifting production offshore means more profit for multinationals, and less taxes.

Personally I don't think it's the result of free trade policies alone, but rather financialization of the economy via endless credit. This credit banks conjure from nothing, they can naked short the economy any time they want.

In the case of the US, the dollar is used as the world's reserve currency to set up bills of credit between nations, and to purchase oil. That creates an artificial demand for dollars in foreign nations, allowing our banks and government to counterfeit the productive economy with debt.

If the dollar wasn't used as the reserve currency, we could not issue nearly as much debt without directly impacting the value of the dollar in world markets. It would force us to increase our productive output to remain competitive in the world market.

The fact our economy is grossly imbalanced between consumption and production is a direct result of the financialization of our economy. It's why the stock market is seen as the economy instead of real jobs and wages, etc. It's why we have a financial oligarchy that owns 80% of all the nations wealth and continues to garner more of that wealth every day.

Wow! That's quite a mouthful of good information! Inflation as well and the rising prices of goods and services.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:04 PM)
What role do the Banks and Insurance Companies have? Is it the British system or the American system which Banks and Insurance Companies play in creating magic money so to speak.

Under either the American or British system banks and other financial institutions exist to fund economies. The most important factor in modern times is keynesian economics, the idea that the government prints endless money to fund programs. This has allowed the world to rack up endless debt, world wide at $243 Trillion, and astoundingly, $222 Trilion is US debt and unfunded liabilities alone:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-2...g-everyone

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-2...on-dollars

Anyone conversant with this problem knows it is insolvable. Either the debt is reduced or money is printed to stave off the defaults. Given the situation, the most likely thing is printing more money causing hyper inflation.

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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:13 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:04 PM)
What role do the Banks and Insurance Companies have? Is it the British system or the American system which Banks and Insurance Companies play in creating magic money so to speak.

Under either the American or British system banks and other financial institutions exist to fund economies. The most important factor in modern times is keynesian economics, the idea that the government prints endless money to fund programs. This has allowed the world to rack up endless debt, world wide at $243 Trillion, and astoundingly, $222 Trilion is US debt and unfunded liabilities alone:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-2...g-everyone

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-2...on-dollars

Anyone conversant with this problem knows it is insolvable. Either the debt is reduced or money is printed to stave off the defaults. Given the situation, the most likely thing is printing more money causing hyper inflation.

I keep on hearing that China is 'covering' our debt? Here in Silicon Valley many Chinese people are coming here in droves with lots of money purchasing land and constructing condominiums housing workers with H-1B Visas. Many are coming from Hong Kong which I recall was given back to the Chinese after London, UK ceased leasing it. Is that important?
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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:06 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 05:59 PM)
It's quite obvious that the "deep state" and it's free trade policies have ruined the industrial heart of the US. One only has to look at Detroit, Chicago, and entire states like Illinois and Ohio to see the devastation free trade has wrought.

The globalists don't care about the welfare of the people, all they care about is power and control for globalist oligarchs. Shifting production offshore means more profit for multinationals, and less taxes.

Personally I don't think it's the result of free trade policies alone, but rather financialization of the economy via endless credit. This credit banks conjure from nothing, they can naked short the economy any time they want.

In the case of the US, the dollar is used as the world's reserve currency to set up bills of credit between nations, and to purchase oil. That creates an artificial demand for dollars in foreign nations, allowing our banks and government to counterfeit the productive economy with debt.

If the dollar wasn't used as the reserve currency, we could not issue nearly as much debt without directly impacting the value of the dollar in world markets. It would force us to increase our productive output to remain competitive in the world market.

The fact our economy is grossly imbalanced between consumption and production is a direct result of the financialization of our economy. It's why the stock market is seen as the economy instead of real jobs and wages, etc. It's why we have a financial oligarchy that owns 80% of all the nations wealth and continues to garner more of that wealth every day.

It is undoubted that the printing of excess money is a big problem, but the everyday welfare of Americans depends on good jobs. With free trade American workers are competing with workers in Asia paid one tenth of American wages. Free trade is the death sentence to good wages. The recent hires in the US labor market are all low wage workers, mostly service industry that can't be sent over seas:

Most jobs created since the recession have been low-paying

https://www.axios.com/most-jobs-created-...c296f.html

The plan of the globalists, communists, and socialists, is to destroy the middle class. In communist Russia these were called the "bourgeoisie", and many were summarily shot or sent to gulags in Siberia. The same happened to the middle class in China, and Cambodia when communists took over.

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:19 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:13 PM)
Under either the American or British system banks and other financial institutions exist to fund economies. The most important factor in modern times is keynesian economics, the idea that the government prints endless money to fund programs. This has allowed the world to rack up endless debt, world wide at $243 Trillion, and astoundingly, $222 Trilion is US debt and unfunded liabilities alone:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-2...g-everyone

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-2...on-dollars

Anyone conversant with this problem knows it is insolvable. Either the debt is reduced or money is printed to stave off the defaults. Given the situation, the most likely thing is printing more money causing hyper inflation.

I keep on hearing that China is 'covering' our debt? Here in Silicon Valley many Chinese people are coming here in droves with lots of money purchasing land and constructing condominiums housing workers with H-1B Visas. Many are coming from Hong Kong which I recall was given back to the Chinese after London, UK ceased leasing it. Is that important?

The wealthy Chinese do not trust their communist masters. At a stroke of the pen all their wealth and even their life can be taken away. They yearn to live in freedom in the US or Commonwealth countries. They take their cash and buy properties in these countries. Keep in mind China has printed more money than all the countries of the world, and the value of the YUAN could plummet as the trade sanctions take effect. All the more reason for them to flee to the US if they can.

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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:21 PM)
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:06 PM)
Personally I don't think it's the result of free trade policies alone, but rather financialization of the economy via endless credit. This credit banks conjure from nothing, they can naked short the economy any time they want.

In the case of the US, the dollar is used as the world's reserve currency to set up bills of credit between nations, and to purchase oil. That creates an artificial demand for dollars in foreign nations, allowing our banks and government to counterfeit the productive economy with debt.

If the dollar wasn't used as the reserve currency, we could not issue nearly as much debt without directly impacting the value of the dollar in world markets. It would force us to increase our productive output to remain competitive in the world market.

The fact our economy is grossly imbalanced between consumption and production is a direct result of the financialization of our economy. It's why the stock market is seen as the economy instead of real jobs and wages, etc. It's why we have a financial oligarchy that owns 80% of all the nations wealth and continues to garner more of that wealth every day.

It is undoubted that the printing of excess money is a big problem, but the everyday welfare of Americans depends on good jobs. With free trade American workers are competing with workers in Asia paid one tenth of American wages. Free trade is the death sentence to good wages. The recent hires in the US labor market are all low wage workers, mostly service industry that can't be sent over seas:

Most jobs created since the recession have been low-paying

https://www.axios.com/most-jobs-created-...c296f.html

The plan of the globalists, communists, and socialists, is to destroy the middle class. In communist Russia these were called the "bourgeoisie", and many were summarily shot or sent to gulags in Siberia. The same happened to the middle class in China, and Cambodia when communists took over.

That's exactly what has happened in Silicon Valley. There is no Middle Class. What's left of it is mainly Hispanic legal/illegal workers working for cheap wages. if this happens to the rest of the country watch out! Mountain View (Google) has a very large population of retirees/homeless living in RV's and cars. It's truly a terrifying site here right now.
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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:21 PM)
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:06 PM)
Personally I don't think it's the result of free trade policies alone, but rather financialization of the economy via endless credit. This credit banks conjure from nothing, they can naked short the economy any time they want.

In the case of the US, the dollar is used as the world's reserve currency to set up bills of credit between nations, and to purchase oil. That creates an artificial demand for dollars in foreign nations, allowing our banks and government to counterfeit the productive economy with debt.

If the dollar wasn't used as the reserve currency, we could not issue nearly as much debt without directly impacting the value of the dollar in world markets. It would force us to increase our productive output to remain competitive in the world market.

The fact our economy is grossly imbalanced between consumption and production is a direct result of the financialization of our economy. It's why the stock market is seen as the economy instead of real jobs and wages, etc. It's why we have a financial oligarchy that owns 80% of all the nations wealth and continues to garner more of that wealth every day.

It is undoubted that the printing of excess money is a big problem, but the everyday welfare of Americans depends on good jobs. With free trade American workers are competing with workers in Asia paid one tenth of American wages. Free trade is the death sentence to good wages. The recent hires in the US labor market are all low wage workers, mostly service industry that can't be sent over seas:

Most jobs created since the recession have been low-paying

https://www.axios.com/most-jobs-created-...c296f.html

The plan of the globalists, communists, and socialists, is to destroy the middle class. In communist Russia these were called the "bourgeoisie", and many were summarily shot or sent to gulags in Siberia. The same happened to the middle class in China, and Cambodia when communists took over.

There are a lot of problems with tariffs, for instance imposing arbitrary costs onto input materials or components affects the cost and profits of goods produced in the host nation.

Allowing banks the ability to issue non-secured credit also distorts input costs, affecting the entire chain of production to consumer.

Personally, I don't know if imposing tariffs works or not, I just know that the Austrian School has always been against tariffs because it raises the costs of goods and deflation in the Austrian school is always seen as a good thing. Inflation is seen as a good thing for Keynesians because they love to naked short the economy and production.

Yes I agree the goal of communism, socialism or fascism is to destroy the middle class and centralize power for the ruling oligarchy

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RE: Origins Of The Deep State, a Clever Mask Of Elite Oligarchs
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:25 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-21-2019 06:19 PM)
I keep on hearing that China is 'covering' our debt? Here in Silicon Valley many Chinese people are coming here in droves with lots of money purchasing land and constructing condominiums housing workers with H-1B Visas. Many are coming from Hong Kong which I recall was given back to the Chinese after London, UK ceased leasing it. Is that important?

The wealthy Chinese do not trust their communist masters. At a stroke of the pen all their wealth and even their life can be taken away. They yearn to live in freedom in the US or Commonwealth countries. They take their cash and buy properties in these countries. Keep in mind China has printed more money than all the countries of the world, and the value of the YUAN could plummet as the trade sanctions take effect. All the more reason for them to flee to the US if they can.

Exactly! Many Chinese people who have come here are like kids in a candy store! It's like they've never tasted freedom and are going crazy enjoying it. They know the score so to speak and are using the system to their total advantage. Many have Insurance and Real Estate licenses because they know that's where the big money is. In addition there are specified seminars for the new arrivals informing them which banks to use for loans, which schools to go to, which Universities to go to, where to find employment, where to buy a car. They are not wasting any time here right now!
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