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Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
Looky
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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
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He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 10:33 PM)
Looky  Wrote: (05-21-2019 10:24 PM)
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Believe the reporter, not your own eyes.

Rallies are free entertainment for the gullible and stupid. They did not work in the last election, Trump lost 41 seats in the house. Trump will lose much bigger than that in a full on national election after the American people have see how horrible and corrupt and pathetically insecure and what a huge liar he is.

He barely won last time and that was his last big win.

Trump is toast. Resigns or gets impeached during the election cycle and loses bigly. Jhikpghf

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Spiddy
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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 09:53 PM)
Maybe some small level of sanity is taking hold in the Trump administration. wut?

Maybe there are enough internal polls that show Trump is so disliked and unpopular, that a war with Iran would only hurt his chances at re-election. If it is not going to delay the Trump impeachment and testimony of Mueller and others before the house, then maybe a war with Iran is not going to do anything positive for Trump?

Will the US get lucky and will Trump stop Bolton and Israel from staging a series of gulf of Tonkin type staged events to cause a war with Iran?

Or will the idiot Trumpers demand a war to save their mad king? uhwhat? Scream1

I am hoping they are coming to the conclusion that many folks voted for Trump thinking he was NOT going to start interventionist wars of choice, like Bush43/Cheney did. Then Trump appointed Bolton thinking being a "War President" would make all his problems go away. But I bet that is not polling well anywhere. coolchick

Lets hope a sliver of sanity prevails and the Trump DOD does not attack Iran.

Trump suddenly reverses course on Iran, says there is ‘no indication’ of threats
Trump has no coordinated strategy on Iran — and it's obvious.

"President Donald Trump spent the last week talking up possible military action against Iran, discussing the number of troops that would be involved, and threatening that war would mean the “official end of Iran.”

On Monday, he suddenly reversed course, claiming that there was “no indication” of threats from the country that would require such a response.

“They’ve been very hostile. They’ve truly been the no. 1 provocateur of terror,” Trump told reporters as he left the White House, before saying that there was, in fact, no threat. “We have no indication that anything’s happened or will happen, but if it does, it will be met, obviously, with great force. We will have no choice.”

That’s a huge about-face from his own tweet on Sunday, in which he wrote, “If Iran wants to fight, that will be the end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again!”"

Experts say the mixed messages have to do with the administration’s lack of a coordinated Iran strategy in general.

“I oscillate between thinking the administration is being quite clever, and almost demonstrating irrationality in order to scare the Iranians into not doing anything stupid — or at least that’s what they think they’re doing — or just genuine total cluelessness, which is what I tend to lean towards,” said Dina Esfandiary, a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center and the Century Foundation’s Middle East Department.

“[Trump] wants to sound threatening and wants to basically demonstrate that the U.S. … will stand up to Iran, that the maximum pressure campaign is working,” Esfandiary said. “But he wants to do it up until the point where there’s a war, and he definitely wants to avoid war, to — I think — [National Security Adviser John] Bolton’s great dismay. I tend to lean towards that being the explanation for why there’s so much back and forth, they want to take them to the cusp of war and then basically reign it in and be like, ‘Wait, no actually, at the moment there’s no threat.'”

Alex Vatanka, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, said the back and forth has to do with the fact that the administration “has not made up its mind on what it wants to get from its Iran policy.”"

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-says-no-...4505cdbdb/

Maybe you'll get unlucky and Trump will prefer personal profit to a second term?



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


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Spiddy
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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
Looky  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:30 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 10:33 PM)
Rallies are free entertainment for the gullible and stupid. They did not work in the last election, Trump lost 41 seats in the house. Trump will lose much bigger than that in a full on national election after the American people have see how horrible and corrupt and pathetically insecure and what a huge liar he is.

He barely won last time and that was his last big win.

Trump is toast. Resigns or gets impeached during the election cycle and loses bigly. Jhikpghf

We believe you, we really really do.....



#walkaway

How did the 'walk away' meme work in the midterms?
Do you have a plan 'B' or are you sticking with the meme that lost you congress?



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


H.L. Mencken 1920.
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He Man
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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
Goblin Slayer  Wrote: (05-21-2019 10:41 PM)
People who believe in “staged events” live in a total state of denial. I mean come on, does everything have to be a false flag or staged event to make bad governments look innocent? Iran has a long history of killing our troops with terrorist proxies and that’s a fact...our military knows that very well and I don’t think they would want their intelligence insulted with all the “false flag” bullcrap.

The US has used a number of proxies to kill people from many nations, all over the middle east for decades and decades. The us totally f**ked Iran, they have every reason to hate and fear us. We have no reason to invade them now. Trump is the one that pulled out of the Iran agreement, they were in full compliance. the US has no good rationale for sanctioning the partners to that agreement that have stuck to the agreement. Just because Trump wants to pretend he can force a better deal.

Trump should not use a war with Iran to effect an election or to be a "war president" like he imagines it makes him some respected leader. Trump is so insecure he would go to war for his own glory and gain.

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He Man
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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
Spiddy  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:34 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 09:53 PM)
Maybe some small level of sanity is taking hold in the Trump administration. wut?

Maybe there are enough internal polls that show Trump is so disliked and unpopular, that a war with Iran would only hurt his chances at re-election. If it is not going to delay the Trump impeachment and testimony of Mueller and others before the house, then maybe a war with Iran is not going to do anything positive for Trump?

Will the US get lucky and will Trump stop Bolton and Israel from staging a series of gulf of Tonkin type staged events to cause a war with Iran?

Or will the idiot Trumpers demand a war to save their mad king? uhwhat? Scream1

I am hoping they are coming to the conclusion that many folks voted for Trump thinking he was NOT going to start interventionist wars of choice, like Bush43/Cheney did. Then Trump appointed Bolton thinking being a "War President" would make all his problems go away. But I bet that is not polling well anywhere. coolchick

Lets hope a sliver of sanity prevails and the Trump DOD does not attack Iran.

Trump suddenly reverses course on Iran, says there is ‘no indication’ of threats
Trump has no coordinated strategy on Iran — and it's obvious.

"President Donald Trump spent the last week talking up possible military action against Iran, discussing the number of troops that would be involved, and threatening that war would mean the “official end of Iran.”

On Monday, he suddenly reversed course, claiming that there was “no indication” of threats from the country that would require such a response.

“They’ve been very hostile. They’ve truly been the no. 1 provocateur of terror,” Trump told reporters as he left the White House, before saying that there was, in fact, no threat. “We have no indication that anything’s happened or will happen, but if it does, it will be met, obviously, with great force. We will have no choice.”

That’s a huge about-face from his own tweet on Sunday, in which he wrote, “If Iran wants to fight, that will be the end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again!”"

Experts say the mixed messages have to do with the administration’s lack of a coordinated Iran strategy in general.

“I oscillate between thinking the administration is being quite clever, and almost demonstrating irrationality in order to scare the Iranians into not doing anything stupid — or at least that’s what they think they’re doing — or just genuine total cluelessness, which is what I tend to lean towards,” said Dina Esfandiary, a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center and the Century Foundation’s Middle East Department.

“[Trump] wants to sound threatening and wants to basically demonstrate that the U.S. … will stand up to Iran, that the maximum pressure campaign is working,” Esfandiary said. “But he wants to do it up until the point where there’s a war, and he definitely wants to avoid war, to — I think — [National Security Adviser John] Bolton’s great dismay. I tend to lean towards that being the explanation for why there’s so much back and forth, they want to take them to the cusp of war and then basically reign it in and be like, ‘Wait, no actually, at the moment there’s no threat.'”

Alex Vatanka, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, said the back and forth has to do with the fact that the administration “has not made up its mind on what it wants to get from its Iran policy.”"

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-says-no-...4505cdbdb/

Maybe you'll get unlucky and Trump will prefer personal profit to a second term?

Could go either way. Scream1

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Looky
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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
Spiddy  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:37 PM)
Looky  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:30 PM)
We believe you, we really really do.....



#walkaway

How did the 'walk away' meme work in the midterms?
Do you have a plan 'B' or are you sticking with the meme that lost you congress?

Did you say win the Senate?

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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:39 PM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:34 PM)
Maybe you'll get unlucky and Trump will prefer personal profit to a second term?

Could go either way. Scream1

Lotta money in war and a lot of effort in being president.
Trump has never really done a days work his entire life.
I'm not sure the presidency sits well with him.
Give him a profitable way out and he might just take it.



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
Looky  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:41 PM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:37 PM)
How did the 'walk away' meme work in the midterms?
Do you have a plan 'B' or are you sticking with the meme that lost you congress?

Did you say win the Senate?

Nah, I said congress.
Y'know, the one that gets to subpoena people?



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 10:33 PM)
Rallies are free entertainment for the gullible and stupid.

Oh, so you were at the Trump rally.
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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
Spiddy  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:52 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:39 PM)
Could go either way. Scream1

Lotta money in war and a lot of effort in being president.
Trump has never really done a days work his entire life.
I'm not sure the presidency sits well with him.
Give him a profitable way out and he might just take it.

I think Trump and Kushner have been trying to figure out a number of ways to make $ bank on Trump being POTUS but I am not sure Trump has cracked that nut.

Kushner certainly got a big business buy out from foreign interests that saved his corporation from going bankrupt.

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:58 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 10:33 PM)
Rallies are free entertainment for the gullible and stupid.

Oh, so you were at the Trump rally.

No I would never sink that low. Smiley-taunt013

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RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:58 PM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:52 PM)
Lotta money in war and a lot of effort in being president.
Trump has never really done a days work his entire life.
I'm not sure the presidency sits well with him.
Give him a profitable way out and he might just take it.

I think Trump and Kushner have been trying to figure out a number of ways to make $ bank on Trump being POTUS but I am not sure Trump has cracked that nut.

Kushner certainly got a big business buy out from foreign interests that saved his corporation from going bankrupt.

If you can't make money out of the presidency then you're probably not smart enough to be president.



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


H.L. Mencken 1920.
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Post: #28
RE: Will US get lucky? Will Trump decide war with Iran is NOT a path to re-election?
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:38 PM)
Goblin Slayer  Wrote: (05-21-2019 10:41 PM)
People who believe in “staged events” live in a total state of denial. I mean come on, does everything have to be a false flag or staged event to make bad governments look innocent? Iran has a long history of killing our troops with terrorist proxies and that’s a fact...our military knows that very well and I don’t think they would want their intelligence insulted with all the “false flag” bullcrap.

The US has used a number of proxies to kill people from many nations, all over the middle east for decades and decades. The us totally f**ked Iran, they have every reason to hate and fear us. We have no reason to invade them now. Trump is the one that pulled out of the Iran agreement, they were in full compliance. the US has no good rationale for sanctioning the partners to that agreement that have stuck to the agreement. Just because Trump wants to pretend he can force a better deal.

Trump should not use a war with Iran to effect an election or to be a "war president" like he imagines it makes him some respected leader. Trump is so insecure he would go to war for his own glory and gain.

Exactly what proxies are you talking about? Yeah, we did fund Syrian rebels but that was so that they could overthrow a tyrannical enemy government that was intent on committing genocide. And we’re also funding the Kurds but that’s so that they could help us get rid of ISIS and have their own safe haven in the region since they’ve been persecuted for so long. The proxies that we fund aren’t really as bad as you think. They’re mostly people seeking freedom. Tyrants of enemy governments would have you think otherwise.

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Spiddy  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:53 PM)
Looky  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:41 PM)
Did you say win the Senate?

Nah, I said congress.
Y'know, the one that gets to subpoena people?

What's that good for without the Senate?

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Goblin Slayer  Wrote: (05-22-2019 12:05 AM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-21-2019 11:38 PM)
The US has used a number of proxies to kill people from many nations, all over the middle east for decades and decades. The us totally f**ked Iran, they have every reason to hate and fear us. We have no reason to invade them now. Trump is the one that pulled out of the Iran agreement, they were in full compliance. the US has no good rationale for sanctioning the partners to that agreement that have stuck to the agreement. Just because Trump wants to pretend he can force a better deal.

Trump should not use a war with Iran to effect an election or to be a "war president" like he imagines it makes him some respected leader. Trump is so insecure he would go to war for his own glory and gain.

Exactly what proxies are you talking about? Yeah, we did fund Syrian rebels but that was so that they could overthrow a tyrannical enemy government that was intent on committing genocide. And we’re also funding the Kurds but that’s so that they could help us get rid of ISIS and have their own safe haven in the region since they’ve been persecuted for so long. The proxies that we fund aren’t really as bad as you think. They’re mostly people seeking freedom. Tyrants of enemy governments would have you think otherwise.

Lol.
There is an argument that suggests the middle east is not quite as simple as you wished it was.
If I was you I'd keep the f*ck out of it entirely.



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


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