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To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
The Ghost Of LOP
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To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
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Debating on if I should replace my Subaru's TORQUE CONVERTER and see if that fixes my problem.

Having low speed hard shifts and shuddering.


My Problems sound like this :
http://legacycentral.org/library/torquebind.htm


[Image: torque-converter-500x500.jpg]


Price: $227.99
Autozone.

Are these hard and expensive to replace ?

I am so confused !!!
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Dale Cooper
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ?
It mates the transmission to the engine. Replacing that is no minor task. Your symptoms sound like a misfiring cylinder(s). Are there any engine codes? Maybe ECM problems causing it.
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
YikkaFarius  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:15 PM)
It mates the transmission to the engine. Replacing that is no minor task. You're symptoms sound like a misfiring cylinder(s).

If you click the link above. It details my problems exactly.
http://legacycentral.org/library/torquebind.htm

I am thinking it's related to the converter.



I put some of that injector sea foam cleaner in my gas and it seems to be helping a little. but I still have the binding issue.

I am so confused !!!
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
What does a port scanner say? Does it have an OBD2 port?
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:10 PM)
Debating on if I should replace my Subaru's TORQUE CONVERTER and see if that fixes my problem.

Having low speed hard shifts and shuddering.


My Problems sound like this :
http://legacycentral.org/library/torquebind.htm


link to image: https://4.imimg.com/data4/LP/ME/MY-13855...00x500.jpg


Price: $227.99
Autozone.

Are these hard and expensive to replace ?

If you do it yourself that we mean you'll need to stand up and do physical.
You go that kind of sh*t in ya?
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
YikkaFarius  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:19 PM)
What does a port scanner say? Does it have an OBD2 port?

I don't have any error codes or engine light warnings...

I am so confused !!!
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
YikkaFarius  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:15 PM)
It mates the transmission to the engine. Replacing that is no minor task. Your symptoms sound like a misfiring cylinder(s). Are there any engine codes? Maybe ECM problems causing it.

Could be spark plugs
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:19 PM)
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:10 PM)
Debating on if I should replace my Subaru's TORQUE CONVERTER and see if that fixes my problem.

Having low speed hard shifts and shuddering.


My Problems sound like this :
http://legacycentral.org/library/torquebind.htm


link to image: https://4.imimg.com/data4/LP/ME/MY-13855...00x500.jpg


Price: $227.99
Autozone.

Are these hard and expensive to replace ?

If you do it yourself that we mean you'll need to stand up and do physical.
You go that kind of sh*t in ya?

That's the problem, I don't know how to do it or check to see if that is the issue. I don't have a place to work or tools either. Finding a honest shop around here and is almost impossible.

But from What I have been reading and researching this could be very well the issue. ( Torque Converter / Differential )

I am so confused !!!
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:20 PM)
YikkaFarius  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:15 PM)
It mates the transmission to the engine. Replacing that is no minor task. Your symptoms sound like a misfiring cylinder(s). Are there any engine codes? Maybe ECM problems causing it.

Could be spark plugs

Don't think it's the sparks. I can feel the issue and it's like coming from the center of the car towards the rear. Could be something with differential

I am so confused !!!
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:19 PM)
YikkaFarius  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:19 PM)
What does a port scanner say? Does it have an OBD2 port?

I don't have any error codes or engine light warnings...

If your ECM is out it will run bad and may not show a check engine light. A port scanner will give a "not connected" indication if the ECM is out and you hook it to the OBD2 port.
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
Does it idle smooth and rev freely when the car is in park?
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
YikkaFarius  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:23 PM)
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:19 PM)
I don't have any error codes or engine light warnings...

If your ECM is out it will run bad and may not show a check engine light. A port scanner will give a "not connected" indication if the ECM is out and you hook it to the OBD2 port.

Don't think it anything related to that.

I am so confused !!!
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
YikkaFarius  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:24 PM)
Does it idle smooth and rev freely when the car is in park?

this describes my issue from the link:


One of the most common problems in AWD 4EAT automatic transmission equipped cars is the dreaded "torque-bind".

The most common symptoms of this problem are a shudder throughout the whole car, but more pronounced beneath the seat, when accelerating in a low-speed turn. The shudder will stop if power is removed and disappears when speed goes beyond the threshold of most tires or the wheels are straightened out.


In the rear of the transmission is a watermelon sized aluminum housing that contains several valves, bushings and seals. The rear driveshaft that couples with the rear differential. The problem occurs in here, and the replacement of this cures it.

Inside of the housing the rear shaft spins and has teflon bushings and fluid seals for the AWD system. This is where much of the rear power is transferred. The problem occurs when these bushings wear against the aluminum. For some reason Subaru, or the transmission manufacturers, decided not to have a bearing or liner in lieu of using the housing itself as the wear surface.

This is where the problem and solution lies.

The bushings and seals wear the aluminum down after time. This allows the pressurized ATF to leak from one chamber to the next. The torque meant to be transferred to the rear ends up being greatly reduced and the fluid transaction causes the shuddering.


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I am thinking they are talking about the torque converter that is what it looks like.

I am so confused !!!
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:21 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-16-2019 09:19 PM)
If you do it yourself that we mean you'll need to stand up and do physical.
You go that kind of sh*t in ya?

That's the problem, I don't know how to do it or check to see if that is the issue. I don't have a place to work or tools either. Finding a honest shop around here and is almost impossible.

But from What I have been reading and researching this could be very well the issue. ( Torque Converter / Differential )

That's a real shame that you can't find a trusted mechanic to guide and assist you. Between all the folks you know, there might be someone who could recommend a helpful/good mechanic.

The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who haven't got it.
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RE: To Torque or Not To Torque ? Is replacing the converter hard to do ?
Make sure you fill it full of fluid before you put it on or you'll burn it up
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