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DOW Hits 27,000 First Time Ever
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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (07-11-2019 06:47 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2019 06:08 PM)
Conspiracy sites used to understand the stock market and dow were, and are, fake.
But now it's real and important?

Scream1

Of course it's important. The entire economy is important.
A strong stock market is important for the average American in many ways.
Company stability, job stability, elderly with their investments so they can survive.

What Is important is that it is controlled. They can, and will, pull the plug at will. It's an illusion run by computer micro transactions.
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Post: #17
RE: DOW Hits 27,000 First Time Ever
not a question of if, but when
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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (07-11-2019 05:21 PM)
I know a lot of folks are hoping for the market to crash for one reason or another.
But this is very good news for retired people.
Old folks have worked their entire lives and have invested in order to be able to survive old age financial burdens.
If the market crashes ... then the taxpayer has to pick up the burden of caring for the oldsters ...
Of course, there would be less taxpayers as well .. because massive layoffs would then hit.
So the market hitting 27,000 is good news. Good news for the economy, taxpayer and old folks.

What goes up, must come down ... but for now ... Band3

Even if they never got anything for it, it was cheap at that price. Without malice aforethought I had given them the best show that was ever staged in their territory since the landing of the Pilgrims! It was easily worth fifteen million bucks to watch me put the thing over.
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There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Reinstate Greenbacks.
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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (07-11-2019 06:47 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2019 06:08 PM)
Conspiracy sites used to understand the stock market and dow were, and are, fake.
But now it's real and important?

Scream1

Of course it's important. The entire economy is important.
A strong stock market is important for the average American in many ways.
Company stability, job stability, elderly with their investments so they can survive.

Not even, the stock market measures the level of rigging and corruption through the entire economy.

What corporations make up most of the DOW and S&P? Lately, it's been corporations like Amazon, or Facebook, or Netflix. Corporations that have run account deficits for almost a decade.

They don't earn enough money to make a profit, but because they're allowed all kinds of accounting gimicks they make it look like they are profitable but in reality they rely on bond sales to buy back stock and increasing stock prices.

That's a ponzi scheme and our entire economy is a ponzi scheme.

If you really are worried about retired people getting their retirements you should warn them about the systemic fraud in the markets and advise them to hide their money in something real, something tangible. Land, precious metals, even cash is better than the markets.

When you stare into a mirror and nobody is there, you will know the reflection has become self aware.
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Remember remember the 5th of November.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2019 07:01 PM)
PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (07-11-2019 06:47 PM)
Of course it's important. The entire economy is important.
A strong stock market is important for the average American in many ways.
Company stability, job stability, elderly with their investments so they can survive.

What Is important is that it is controlled. They can, and will, pull the plug at will. It's an illusion run by computer micro transactions.

The fall will be a long, hard fall.

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This what you all talk depends on numerous factors. I talked on other forum about it. That it is like just before the depression.

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It effectively lowers the value of the national debt. 1dunno1
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Ion  Wrote: (07-11-2019 08:09 PM)
This what you all talk depends on numerous factors. I talked on other forum about it. That it is like just before the depression.

This is much worse than the great depression. During the great depression loans were backed somewhat by gold. The federal reserve had a gold coverage ratio of at least 25%, meaning they had gold backing at least 25% of the loans they had made to member banks.

There is nothing backing their loans, or the commercial banks loans now. Only more debt and empty promises to repay those loans. The credit freeze that crashes the world economy will be systemic and catastrophic.

If they attempt to avoid the credit freeze by continually bailing out banks they will monetize over $1.5 quadrillion in derivatives and that will completely obliterate the little remaining value fiat currencies have.

We lived off the future for over 40 years, big party, but now it is the future and we're all realizing we spent it in the past getting drunk.

When you stare into a mirror and nobody is there, you will know the reflection has become self aware.
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Debt is not the problem per se. The problem is are you solvent, a deficit is one more problem. The USA is solvent it seems but has a high deficit.

Like Bosnia but much bigger. But we don't have a big debt and we aren't solvent enough and have a big deficit.

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Ion  Wrote: (07-11-2019 08:22 PM)
Debt is not the problem per se. The problem is are you solvent, a deficit is one more problem. The USA is solvent it seems but has a high deficit.

Like Bosnia but much bigger. But we don't have a big debt and we aren't solvent enough and have a big deficit.

That thinking is a fallacy, a lie propagated by Keynesian economics. But the real problem with debt is that it ties up economic activity. It is borrowed into existence for some activity, then that activity must service the debt.

But most debt now flows into asset prices, it doesn't flow into productivity like new factories, or manufacturing, roads, infrastructure it flows into wall street fat cat pockets.

The net result is that the debt cannot pay for itself, it cannot service itself because it was spent on consumption, consuming things in the past, already gone, poof.

You'll see hopefully you'll wake up before it's too late and prepare.

When you stare into a mirror and nobody is there, you will know the reflection has become self aware.
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There won't be any crash. Money will just get more and more worthless, that's all.
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There will be a minor turbulence in the market where folks will think it’s a crash - but it will than rocket up and make new record higher high


The real crash folks are misinformed on - is that govt system will crash
Not the private sector - Amazon / Tesla / google

Govt will crash and these beasts like Amazon Googles etc will rise and run your life


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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (07-11-2019 08:27 PM)
Ion  Wrote: (07-11-2019 08:22 PM)
Debt is not the problem per se. The problem is are you solvent, a deficit is one more problem. The USA is solvent it seems but has a high deficit.

Like Bosnia but much bigger. But we don't have a big debt and we aren't solvent enough and have a big deficit.

That thinking is a fallacy, a lie propagated by Keynesian economics. But the real problem with debt is that it ties up economic activity. It is borrowed into existence for some activity, then that activity must service the debt.

But most debt now flows into asset prices, it doesn't flow into productivity like new factories, or manufacturing, roads, infrastructure it flows into wall street fat cat pockets.

The net result is that the debt cannot pay for itself, it cannot service itself because it was spent on consumption, consuming things in the past, already gone, poof.

You'll see hopefully you'll wake up before it's too late and prepare.

True. The money before was invested in factories and similar. Now mostly goes somewhere else. Here in Bosnia, it goes on administration and keeping stable government budgets.

We are in more mess then you in the US.

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I'm not sure why they even keep track of this anymore.
https://usdebtclock.org/
When the government increases debt it seems to make people happy.
Debt seems to be a meaningless statistic.
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