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So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
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RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
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You're all bitching about the wrong thing.
Plastic bags in developed countries isn't even on the map as far as ocean pollution goes.
The social programming you speak of is working to get you to BUY cloth bags. Made in China, one of the WORST polluters of the oceans re plastic.
Westerners are being made to feel guilty for EVERYTHING! Now thats social programming.

Every other day, throwing a plastic bag away, by lets say 200 million Europeans and 200 million Americans.

For no particular reason, except too lazy to think of bringing a bag to the grocery store.

Lots of plastic in the Ocean comes from India and some island nations there. All the places that we sell a lot of our plastic waste to, for 'processing'.

People all over the world, even in places like Africa, can go buy one orange, or2 or 3 small items, and get it in a plastic bag. And 20 seconds later that bag is in the bushes. 24/7 constantly.

Great, you make my point. WE here in the US are responsible by and large and people in other countries are not.
Figure it out.
WE sell out plastic waste for processing, IE recycling. THEY mismanage it.
How is that our fault again?
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Post: #32
RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:12 PM)
Rofl
Hillary still uses old burlap.

and Trump passed the 10,000 lie mark months ago. and nearly everything out of his mouth is a lie. it is so obvious. it is sickening.

So you are a TDS sufferer?
Not surprising.
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RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
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chuckle
Most american flags are made in china too.

Along with MAGA hats, trumpo ties and other items plus 99% of Ivanka's products ....

I'm not going to debate you on the other items but its well known that the only MAGA hats that are from China are the knockoffs. The ones from the campaign, from PRESIDENT Trump were all made in the US.
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RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
Upside Down  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:18 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:14 PM)
Every other day, throwing a plastic bag away, by lets say 200 million Europeans and 200 million Americans.

For no particular reason, except too lazy to think of bringing a bag to the grocery store.

Lots of plastic in the Ocean comes from India and some island nations there. All the places that we sell a lot of our plastic waste to, for 'processing'.

People all over the world, even in places like Africa, can go buy one orange, or2 or 3 small items, and get it in a plastic bag. And 20 seconds later that bag is in the bushes. 24/7 constantly.

I have been studying this issue. A lot of the waste is funneled through rivers. in addition to getting rid of single use plastics, we should have boats and people on rivers picking up the crap that assholes toss.

Who is this "We" you speak of? You think you have any pull in China? You think the US can force China to put people out in boats in their rivers picking out the plastic?
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I just find it ironic that China was in the 'dark ages' before Nixon in the 1970's, and now they are American Rivals in almost everything.

from polution, to landing on the moon, to supercomputing power.

it just blows my mind.

They are not our rival re pollution, they pollute far more than we do.
The only way they rival us in other ways is stealing the tech we have built over there and claim it as their own.
Self loathing mistakenly elevates others in your mind.

Last I checked, America is still the #1 polluter.

We have a President who promotes Coal Power.

We were the first massive polluter. and, we keep on doing it.

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RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
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I really like re-usable bags.

I have to carry my groceries for about a mile. I don't want those cheap, small bags.

I have been doing this for years.

You spoiled, car people make me sick.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

You ecofreaks that don't actually know the truth aren't any better.

Prius vs hummer, hummer is more environmentally friendly

LED vs fluorescent vs incandescent. Incandescent wins.

You can't just take into account the part of the life cycle that the consumer sees.

As it is becoming known that carbon isn't the evil greenhouse problem we've been sold, carbon emissions become less of an issue, in fact they seem to be making the planet greener as vegetation is increasing according to a recent report.

if the Hummer was so great then why did they stop making it 10yrs ago ?

I've got LED lamps that get 4 hrs a day use that have been in service since 2014
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Post: #37
RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:17 PM)
Judge not lest ye be judged.

You ecofreaks that don't actually know the truth aren't any better.

Prius vs hummer, hummer is more environmentally friendly

LED vs fluorescent vs incandescent. Incandescent wins.

You can't just take into account the part of the life cycle that the consumer sees.

As it is becoming known that carbon isn't the evil greenhouse problem we've been sold, carbon emissions become less of an issue, in fact they seem to be making the planet greener as vegetation is increasing according to a recent report.

Yes, carbon makes plants grow faster and greener.

Prius vs. Hummer isn't an issue, as I am a second class American... No car, no money.. Just a roof over my head.

Ironically, I am healthy... I laugh at people who take their gas guzzlers to a place where they lift weights. I simply carry my groceries home twice a week. I walk to work.

People are selfish idiots.

The only way you are a 2nd class citizen is if you put yourself there.
Maybe you are virtue signalling?
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I have been studying this issue. A lot of the waste is funneled through rivers. in addition to getting rid of single use plastics, we should have boats and people on rivers picking up the crap that assholes toss.

Who is this "We" you speak of? You think you have any pull in China? You think the US can force China to put people out in boats in their rivers picking out the plastic?

No, to me China is a 'them'. They have hot women. Just saying.

Maybe America can, and we do, set examples. I hope they follow.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod...stic-waste


Try this: Write a list of every piece of plastic you touch in a day.

I did it. I stopped counting at 56 items.

About 'The Plastic Tide'

NPR is exploring one of the most important environmental issues of our time: plastic waste. Click here to read more about the topic.

Plastic is to our time what wood was for millennia. But unlike wood, most plastic doesn't go away. It ends up as trash in streets, rivers, lakes and oceans. It breaks down into microplastic — particles a tenth of an inch or smaller — and gets into our food and water. The health effects are largely unknown.

News stories feature dead whales and turtles with stomachs full of plastic. Activists built a huge floating net to collect it (which recently failed). Concerned citizens clean up beaches.

But that's not helping much. Eight million tons of plasti

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Yes, carbon makes plants grow faster and greener.

Prius vs. Hummer isn't an issue, as I am a second class American... No car, no money.. Just a roof over my head.

Ironically, I am healthy... I laugh at people who take their gas guzzlers to a place where they lift weights. I simply carry my groceries home twice a week. I walk to work.

People are selfish idiots.

The only way you are a 2nd class citizen is if you put yourself there.
Maybe you are virtue signalling?

I am a powerless gangstalking victim. I am a Targetted Individual.

It doesn't matter how hard I work or how 'smart' I am. I will be in poverty.

From my point of view, everybody is selfish and idiotic.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdRHSuPxgXo

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:29 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:17 PM)
Judge not lest ye be judged.

You ecofreaks that don't actually know the truth aren't any better.

Prius vs hummer, hummer is more environmentally friendly

LED vs fluorescent vs incandescent. Incandescent wins.

You can't just take into account the part of the life cycle that the consumer sees.

As it is becoming known that carbon isn't the evil greenhouse problem we've been sold, carbon emissions become less of an issue, in fact they seem to be making the planet greener as vegetation is increasing according to a recent report.

if the Hummer was so great then why did they stop making it 10yrs ago ?

I've got LED lamps that get 4 hrs a day use that have been in service since 2014

They stopped making them because people stopped buying them.
No tax credits and maybe even a tax hit. Social stigma and mostly just used as an example of wrong headed thinking.
Lots of SUV's and crossovers out there, much more popular with the buying public than ecocars.

The life cycle of a particular item isn't just the part you see.
LED bulbs are mostly plastic with some high tech electronics in them that work via rare earth metals. All that has to be dug out of the ground and processed and manufactured to make the bulb and then deconstructed and either disposed of or recycled into new products.

Incandescent bulbs are glass, aluminium, steel and tungsten. Simple to make, simple to recycle. Low energy at both ends of its life.
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*Off Topic*

I heard a cool podcast from Snow Patrol recently.. Love them!!

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/28/717656727...-than-ever

The members of Snow Patrol are celebrating 25 years together. From providing the unofficial theme song to Grey's Anatomy to its 2006 album Eyes Open being certified eight-times platinum according to BPI, the Northern Ireland rock band has found success many times over. Now, after a seven-year hiatus, the bond between band members has never been stronger.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaKr98ktoxU

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if the Hummer was so great then why did they stop making it 10yrs ago ?

I've got LED lamps that get 4 hrs a day use that have been in service since 2014

They stopped making them because people stopped buying them.
No tax credits and maybe even a tax hit. Social stigma and mostly just used as an example of wrong headed thinking.
Lots of SUV's and crossovers out there, much more popular with the buying public than ecocars.

The life cycle of a particular item isn't just the part you see.
LED bulbs are mostly plastic with some high tech electronics in them that work via rare earth metals. All that has to be dug out of the ground and processed and manufactured to make the bulb and then deconstructed and either disposed of or recycled into new products.

Incandescent bulbs are glass, aluminium, steel and tungsten. Simple to make, simple to recycle. Low energy at both ends of its life.

There is another thing to consider that .. I don't think many people consider.

If you buy a 100 watt light bulb, it is a 100 Watt heater. Space heaters throw between 300 to 1500 Watts.

If you have four or five 100 Watt light bulbs lit then it is a space heater.

In the summer, when you are running the air conditioning, do you really want to turn on a space heater???

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07-14-2019 05:47 PM

 




Post: #43
RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
Upside Down  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:32 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:27 PM)
Who is this "We" you speak of? You think you have any pull in China? You think the US can force China to put people out in boats in their rivers picking out the plastic?

No, to me China is a 'them'. They have hot women. Just saying.

Maybe America can, and we do, set examples. I hope they follow.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod...stic-waste


Try this: Write a list of every piece of plastic you touch in a day.

I did it. I stopped counting at 56 items.

About 'The Plastic Tide'

NPR is exploring one of the most important environmental issues of our time: plastic waste. Click here to read more about the topic.

Plastic is to our time what wood was for millennia. But unlike wood, most plastic doesn't go away. It ends up as trash in streets, rivers, lakes and oceans. It breaks down into microplastic — particles a tenth of an inch or smaller — and gets into our food and water. The health effects are largely unknown.

News stories feature dead whales and turtles with stomachs full of plastic. Activists built a huge floating net to collect it (which recently failed). Concerned citizens clean up beaches.

But that's not helping much. Eight million tons of plasti

And the vast majority of it comes from 10 rivers, none of which are in North American, hell none of them are in the western hemisphere.
Stop blaming the US for stupid sh*t the rest of the world does.

And that pollution number? Its per person. Large parts of the world are trying to become just like us and they are doing it with our tech and money thanks to globalism.
Just moving all that cheap plastic crap from China to the US pollutes more than all the cars in the US and we get the blame for that too. That's added to our pollution count.
PRESIDENT Trumps tariffs have slowed that down just a bit.
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07-14-2019 05:50 PM

 




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RE: So...I cant have plastic grocery bags anymore?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:29 PM)
if the Hummer was so great then why did they stop making it 10yrs ago ?

I've got LED lamps that get 4 hrs a day use that have been in service since 2014

They stopped making them because people stopped buying them.

But, but, but according to you they were so great....great products stand the test of time and up to social pressure .....seems you're mistaken about the "Hummer"
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Upside Down  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:45 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-14-2019 05:39 PM)
They stopped making them because people stopped buying them.
No tax credits and maybe even a tax hit. Social stigma and mostly just used as an example of wrong headed thinking.
Lots of SUV's and crossovers out there, much more popular with the buying public than ecocars.

The life cycle of a particular item isn't just the part you see.
LED bulbs are mostly plastic with some high tech electronics in them that work via rare earth metals. All that has to be dug out of the ground and processed and manufactured to make the bulb and then deconstructed and either disposed of or recycled into new products.

Incandescent bulbs are glass, aluminium, steel and tungsten. Simple to make, simple to recycle. Low energy at both ends of its life.

There is another thing to consider that .. I don't think many people consider.

If you buy a 100 watt light bulb, it is a 100 Watt heater. Space heaters throw between 300 to 1500 Watts.

If you have four or five 100 Watt light bulbs lit then it is a space heater.

In the summer, when you are running the air conditioning, do you really want to turn on a space heater???

Yes and in the summer you can open your window shades, and its light outside far longer so you need less added light from those bulbs.

Also, space heaters put out very little light as they are designed to turn more of that wattage into heat whereas the light bulb is designed to turn more of it into light.

And compared to light bulbs, using resistance heating with electricity is about the least efficient way to heat something there is.
Amazingly enough, burning "fossel" fuels is among the most efficient.
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