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Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
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RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-04-2019 07:54 PM)
The fact is that CO2 is skyrocketing and it has NO effect on the climate. A NOAA scientist just wrote a book saying there is NO CORRELATION between CO2 and climate. If there was the Arctic would still be melting:

Former Award-Winning NOAA scientist Dr. Rex Fleming declares his climate dissent – Converted from warmist to skeptic – Reveals suppression: ‘I had to go to Europe to publish a paper’

Former NOAA Award-Winning Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Rex Fleming joins many former UN IPCC and U.S. government scientists publicly dissenting on man-made climate change. Fleming declares that "CO2 has no impact on climate change."

"Past climates have been warm and cold and warm and cold with no changes in carbon dioxide. How can that be a cause when there's no correlation."

Fleming 8:10 on AMS, AGU, AAAS: "all 3 of those organizations will not support a "denier"..I could not get published in any of those organizations..as a denier..I had to go to Europe to publish a paper..it was peer-reviewed in Europe, it got thru, & it has been very successful"
https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/07/30/...y-is-bunk/

You are avoiding the reality of what the mass balance for Greenland is clearly showing.

Out of all the years shown in it, there are 15 years shown (all prior to 1998) that were recoveries (gains) and 32 shown that were all loss years.

Since 1998, every single year has been a LOSS

How can you therefore claim no ice is being lost?

Unless you do not understand the graph that you posted?
Please look carefully at what it is showing.

It's actually a very shocking graph - I was shocked by it; didn't realise so much ice has been lost for so many years in a row.
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Post: #107
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:01 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-04-2019 07:54 PM)
The fact is that CO2 is skyrocketing and it has NO effect on the climate. A NOAA scientist just wrote a book saying there is NO CORRELATION between CO2 and climate. If there was the Arctic would still be melting:

Former Award-Winning NOAA scientist Dr. Rex Fleming declares his climate dissent – Converted from warmist to skeptic – Reveals suppression: ‘I had to go to Europe to publish a paper’

Former NOAA Award-Winning Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Rex Fleming joins many former UN IPCC and U.S. government scientists publicly dissenting on man-made climate change. Fleming declares that "CO2 has no impact on climate change."

"Past climates have been warm and cold and warm and cold with no changes in carbon dioxide. How can that be a cause when there's no correlation."

Fleming 8:10 on AMS, AGU, AAAS: "all 3 of those organizations will not support a "denier"..I could not get published in any of those organizations..as a denier..I had to go to Europe to publish a paper..it was peer-reviewed in Europe, it got thru, & it has been very successful"
https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/07/30/...y-is-bunk/

You are avoiding the reality of what the mass balance for Greenland is clearly showing.

Out of all the years shown in it, there are 15 years shown (all prior to 1998) that were recoveries (gains) and 32 shown that were all loss years.

Since 1998, every single year has been a LOSS

How can you therefore claim no ice is being lost?

Unless you do not understand the graph that you posted?
Please look carefully at what it is showing.

It's actually a very shocking graph - I was shocked by it; didn't realise so much ice has been lost for so many years in a row.
Lord DunceCap lost, let the thread die.
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Post: #108
teach RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
Political talk of "curbing emissions" may be red herring like they said in the movie: The Kingsman.

If they indeed know that we have already gone past the point of no return (like it is also said in it by Michael Kane's character).
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Post: #109
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-04-2019 07:54 PM)
The fact is that CO2 is skyrocketing and it has NO effect on the climate. A NOAA scientist just wrote a book saying there is NO CORRELATION between CO2 and climate. If there was the Arctic would still be melting:

Former Award-Winning NOAA scientist Dr. Rex Fleming declares his climate dissent – Converted from warmist to skeptic – Reveals suppression: ‘I had to go to Europe to publish a paper’

Former NOAA Award-Winning Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Rex Fleming joins many former UN IPCC and U.S. government scientists publicly dissenting on man-made climate change. Fleming declares that "CO2 has no impact on climate change."

"Past climates have been warm and cold and warm and cold with no changes in carbon dioxide. How can that be a cause when there's no correlation."

Fleming 8:10 on AMS, AGU, AAAS: "all 3 of those organizations will not support a "denier"..I could not get published in any of those organizations..as a denier..I had to go to Europe to publish a paper..it was peer-reviewed in Europe, it got thru, & it has been very successful"
https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/07/30/...y-is-bunk/

Are you kidding me, because you're sure not fooling me. One or two or 2 dozen climate scientists denying what is playing out in front of their very eyes is hardly a consensus or the truth about what is happen with the climate. Are you tearing a page out of Trump's playbook, you must be getting ready to run for political office, because everything you post as being factual is less than factual.

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Post: #110
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
Don't know whats up with this site...

I didn't pick the icon.. but anyways.
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Post: #111
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:07 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:01 PM)
You are avoiding the reality of what the mass balance for Greenland is clearly showing.

Out of all the years shown in it, there are 15 years shown (all prior to 1998) that were recoveries (gains) and 32 shown that were all loss years.

Since 1998, every single year has been a LOSS

How can you therefore claim no ice is being lost?

Unless you do not understand the graph that you posted?
Please look carefully at what it is showing.

It's actually a very shocking graph - I was shocked by it; didn't realise so much ice has been lost for so many years in a row.
Lord DunceCap lost, let the thread die.

You mean Natura Naturans lost
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Post: #112
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:10 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:07 PM)
Lord DunceCap lost, let the thread die.

You mean Natura Naturans lost

No, NN always wins these climate "arguements".
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Post: #113
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:12 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:10 PM)
You mean Natura Naturans lost

No, NN always wins these climate "arguements".
NN didn't win.
NN's mass balance graph proved what he said to be wrong.
It was showing the exact opposite of what NN had said.

But NN is staying mum so..
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08-04-2019 08:23 PM

 




Post: #114
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:16 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:12 PM)
No, NN always wins these climate "arguements".
NN didn't win.
NN's mass balance graph proved what he said to be wrong.
It was showing the exact opposite of what NN had said.

But NN is staying mum so..

The Al Gwhore predictions have been so much more accurate.
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08-04-2019 08:26 PM

 




Post: #115
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:23 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:16 PM)
NN didn't win.
NN's mass balance graph proved what he said to be wrong.
It was showing the exact opposite of what NN had said.

But NN is staying mum so..

The Al Gwhore predictions have been so much more accurate.

You are avoiding the reality of what the mass balance is showing.
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08-04-2019 08:28 PM

 




Post: #116
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:26 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:23 PM)
The Al Gwhore predictions have been so much more accurate.

You are avoiding the reality of what the mass balance is showing.

It's showing we dont have enough data to destroy the economy based on leftist fairy tails.
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08-04-2019 08:52 PM

 




Post: #117
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:28 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 08:26 PM)
You are avoiding the reality of what the mass balance is showing.

It's showing we dont have enough data to destroy the economy based on leftist fairy tails.

They said a while back that they concluded that it is not worthwhile (for them) stopping now, because it turn out we've already gone way past the climate collapse tipping point so it's too late.

The economy is going to self destruct anyways and so to them, with their thinking, what would be the point of starting to be frugal now? Since it already too late to stop the collapse.

So they will rather try to maintain their power to the last possible moment and keep the party going for them until it all finally crashes. They don't care about people or letting them know the truth.
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Post: #118
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
In a way they have been "telling" people - in movies and TV shows, for instance

The Kingsman
The X-Files - Season 10 & 11 (main episodes)
Downsizing

And probably a lot of others
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08-04-2019 09:21 PM

 




Post: #119
RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
Release of Arctic Methane “May Be Apocalyptic,” Study Warns

A scientific study published in the prestigious journal Palaeoworld in December issued a dire — and possibly prophetic — warning, though it garnered little attention in the media.

“Global warming triggered by the massive release of carbon dioxide may be catastrophic,” reads the study’s abstract. “But the release of methane from hydrate may be apocalyptic.”

The study, titled “Methane Hydrate: Killer Cause of Earth’s Greatest Mass Extinction,” highlights the fact that the most significant variable in the Permian Mass Extinction event, which occurred 250 million years ago and annihilated 90 percent of all the species on the planet, was methane hydrate.

In the wake of that mass extinction event, less than 5 percent of the animal species in the seas lived, and less than one-third of the large land animal species made it. Nearly all the trees died.

Methane hydrate, according to the US Office of Fossil Energy, “is a cage-like lattice of ice inside of which are trapped molecules of methane, the chief constituent of natural gas.”

While there is not a scientific consensus around the cause of the Permian Mass Extinction, it is widely believed that massive volcanism along the Siberian Traps in Russia led to tremendous amounts of CO2 being added to the atmosphere. This then created enough warming to cause the sudden release of methane from the Arctic sea floor, which kicked off a runaway greenhouse effect that led to sea-level increase, de-oxygenation, major oceanic circulation shifts and increased acidification of the oceans, as well as worldwide aridity on land.

The scenario that humans have created by way of the industrial growth society is already mimicking these eventualities, which are certain to worsen.

“The end Permian holds an important lesson for humanity regarding the issue it faces today with greenhouse gas emissions, global warming, and climate change,” the abstract of the recent study concludes.

As the global CO2 concentration continues to climb each year, the threat of even more abrupt methane additions continues to escalate along with it.

The Methane Time Bomb

The methane hydrate situation has, for years now, been referred to as the Arctic Methane Time Bomb, and as been studied intensely.

A 2010 scientific analysis led by the UK’s Met Office, published in the journal Review of Geophysics, states clearly that the time scale for the release of methane in the Arctic would be “much shorter for hydrates below shallow waters, such as in the Arctic Ocean,” adding that “significant increases in methane emissions are likely, and catastrophic emissions cannot be ruled out.… The risk of rapid increase in [methane] emissions is real.”

A 2011 study of the Eastern Siberian Arctic Shelf (ESAS), conducted by more than 20 Arctic experts and published in the Proceedings of the Russian Academy of Sciences, concluded that the shelf was already a powerful supplier of methane to the atmosphere. The conclusion of this study stated that the methane concentration in the atmosphere was at levels capable of causing “a considerable and even catastrophic warming on the Earth.”

Scientists have been warning us for a number of years about the dire consequences of methane hydrates in the Arctic, and how the methane being released poses a potentially disastrous threat to the planet. There has even been a study showing that methane released in the Arctic could trigger “catastrophic climate change” that would cost the global economy $60 trillion.

Of course, that level of planetary heating would likely extinguish most life on the planet, so whatever the economic costs might be would be irrelevant.

“Highly Possible at Any Time”

The ESAS is the largest ice shelf in the world, encompassing more than 2 million square kilometers, or 8 percent of the world’s total area of continental shelf.

In 2015, Truthout spoke with Natalia Shakhova, a research associate professor at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks’ International Arctic Research Center, about the ESAS’s methane emissions.

“These emissions are prone to be non-gradual (massive, abrupt) for a variety of reasons,” she told Truthout. “The main reason is that the nature of major processes associated with methane releases from subsea permafrost is non-gradual.”

Shakhova warned that a 50-gigaton — that is, 50-billion-ton — “burp” of methane from thawing Arctic permafrost beneath the ESAS is “highly possible at any time.”

This, Shakhova said, means that methane releases from decaying frozen hydrates could result in emission rates that “could change in order of magnitude in a matter of minutes,” and that there would be nothing “smooth, gradual or controlled” about it. She described it as a “kind of a release [that] is like the unsealing of an over-pressurized pipeline.”

In other words, we could be looking at non-linear releases of methane in amounts that are difficult to fathom.

A study published in the prestigious journal Nature in July 2013 confirmed what Shakhova had been warning us about for years: A 50-gigaton “burp” of methane from thawing Arctic permafrost beneath the East Siberian sea is highly possible.

Such a “burp” would be the equivalent of at least 1,000 gigatons of carbon dioxide. (For perspective, humans have released approximately 1,475 gigatons in total carbon dioxide since the year 1850.)

The UK’s Met Office considers the 50-gigaton release “plausible,” and in a paper on the subject added, “That may cause ∼12-times increase of modern atmospheric methane burden, with consequent catastrophic greenhouse warming.”

https://truthout.org/articles/release-of...udy-warns/
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RE: Scientists concerned: Thanks to climate change, parts of the Arctic are on fire.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-04-2019 09:21 PM)
Release of Arctic Methane “May Be Apocalyptic,” Study Warns

A scientific study published in the prestigious journal Palaeoworld in December issued a dire — and possibly prophetic — warning, though it garnered little attention in the media.

“Global warming triggered by the massive release of carbon dioxide may be catastrophic,” reads the study’s abstract. “But the release of methane from hydrate may be apocalyptic.”

The study, titled “Methane Hydrate: Killer Cause of Earth’s Greatest Mass Extinction,” highlights the fact that the most significant variable in the Permian Mass Extinction event, which occurred 250 million years ago and annihilated 90 percent of all the species on the planet, was methane hydrate.

In the wake of that mass extinction event, less than 5 percent of the animal species in the seas lived, and less than one-third of the large land animal species made it. Nearly all the trees died.

Methane hydrate, according to the US Office of Fossil Energy, “is a cage-like lattice of ice inside of which are trapped molecules of methane, the chief constituent of natural gas.”

While there is not a scientific consensus around the cause of the Permian Mass Extinction, it is widely believed that massive volcanism along the Siberian Traps in Russia led to tremendous amounts of CO2 being added to the atmosphere. This then created enough warming to cause the sudden release of methane from the Arctic sea floor, which kicked off a runaway greenhouse effect that led to sea-level increase, de-oxygenation, major oceanic circulation shifts and increased acidification of the oceans, as well as worldwide aridity on land.

The scenario that humans have created by way of the industrial growth society is already mimicking these eventualities, which are certain to worsen.

“The end Permian holds an important lesson for humanity regarding the issue it faces today with greenhouse gas emissions, global warming, and climate change,” the abstract of the recent study concludes.

As the global CO2 concentration continues to climb each year, the threat of even more abrupt methane additions continues to escalate along with it.

The Methane Time Bomb

The methane hydrate situation has, for years now, been referred to as the Arctic Methane Time Bomb, and as been studied intensely.

A 2010 scientific analysis led by the UK’s Met Office, published in the journal Review of Geophysics, states clearly that the time scale for the release of methane in the Arctic would be “much shorter for hydrates below shallow waters, such as in the Arctic Ocean,” adding that “significant increases in methane emissions are likely, and catastrophic emissions cannot be ruled out.… The risk of rapid increase in [methane] emissions is real.”

A 2011 study of the Eastern Siberian Arctic Shelf (ESAS), conducted by more than 20 Arctic experts and published in the Proceedings of the Russian Academy of Sciences, concluded that the shelf was already a powerful supplier of methane to the atmosphere. The conclusion of this study stated that the methane concentration in the atmosphere was at levels capable of causing “a considerable and even catastrophic warming on the Earth.”

Scientists have been warning us for a number of years about the dire consequences of methane hydrates in the Arctic, and how the methane being released poses a potentially disastrous threat to the planet. There has even been a study showing that methane released in the Arctic could trigger “catastrophic climate change” that would cost the global economy $60 trillion.

Of course, that level of planetary heating would likely extinguish most life on the planet, so whatever the economic costs might be would be irrelevant.

“Highly Possible at Any Time”

The ESAS is the largest ice shelf in the world, encompassing more than 2 million square kilometers, or 8 percent of the world’s total area of continental shelf.

In 2015, Truthout spoke with Natalia Shakhova, a research associate professor at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks’ International Arctic Research Center, about the ESAS’s methane emissions.

“These emissions are prone to be non-gradual (massive, abrupt) for a variety of reasons,” she told Truthout. “The main reason is that the nature of major processes associated with methane releases from subsea permafrost is non-gradual.”

Shakhova warned that a 50-gigaton — that is, 50-billion-ton — “burp” of methane from thawing Arctic permafrost beneath the ESAS is “highly possible at any time.”

This, Shakhova said, means that methane releases from decaying frozen hydrates could result in emission rates that “could change in order of magnitude in a matter of minutes,” and that there would be nothing “smooth, gradual or controlled” about it. She described it as a “kind of a release [that] is like the unsealing of an over-pressurized pipeline.”

In other words, we could be looking at non-linear releases of methane in amounts that are difficult to fathom.

A study published in the prestigious journal Nature in July 2013 confirmed what Shakhova had been warning us about for years: A 50-gigaton “burp” of methane from thawing Arctic permafrost beneath the East Siberian sea is highly possible.

Such a “burp” would be the equivalent of at least 1,000 gigatons of carbon dioxide. (For perspective, humans have released approximately 1,475 gigatons in total carbon dioxide since the year 1850.)

The UK’s Met Office considers the 50-gigaton release “plausible,” and in a paper on the subject added, “That may cause ∼12-times increase of modern atmospheric methane burden, with consequent catastrophic greenhouse warming.”

https://truthout.org/articles/release-of...udy-warns/

VENUS SYNDROME


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Famed physicist Stephen Hawking has sharp words for United States President Donald Trump this week, warning that his withdrawal from the Paris agreement could spell the end of life on Planet Earth.

“We are close to the tipping point where global warming becomes irreversible. Trump’s action could push the Earth over the brink, to become like Venus, with a temperature of two hundred and fifty degrees, and raining sulphuric acid,” he told BBC News.

“Climate change is one of the great dangers we face, and it’s one we can prevent if we act now,” he continued. “By denying the evidence for climate change, and pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, Donald Trump will cause avoidable environmental damage to our beautiful planet, endangering the natural world, for us and our children.”

Stephen Hawking is a man of few words, as the device that allows him to communicate limits him to about one per minute. When he does speak, the topic increasingly veers towards doomsday scenarios for humanity. Last year he said the substantial destruction of our species was a near certainty within 10,000 years, a prediction he has since revised to 1,000 and then to 500 years.

Hawking has offered several possible scenarios for the downfall of humans, but in his recent interview he refers specifically to the Venus syndrome...

LINK

It's the Environment, stupid.
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