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Hound Dog Hugelkultur
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First thread I ever posted on LOP was called Permaculture Goodness!

It was lost in the purge but began with this promo:





I started a hugelkultur garden a while after discussing it here.

Quote:Hugelkultur is nothing more than making raised garden beds filled with rotten wood. This makes for raised garden beds loaded with organic material, nutrients, air pockets for the roots of what you plant, etc. As the years pass, the deep soil of your raised garden bed becomes incredibly rich and loaded with soil life. As the wood shrinks, it makes more tiny air pockets - so your hugelkultur becomes sort of self tilling. The first few years, the composting process will slightly warm your soil giving you a slightly longer growing season. The woody matter helps to keep nutrient excess from passing into the ground water - and then refeeding that to your garden plants later. Plus, by holding SO much water, hugelkultur could be part of a system for growing garden crops in the desert with no irrigation.

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https://richsoil.com/hugelkultur/

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People familiar with permaculture and organic gardening know about "chicken tractors."

I use doggy tractors.

Happy accident, I'll explain in a later post.

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I want a giant living bamboo house.
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In the photos that follow, everything you see was done with a pickup truck, a garden cart, a manure fork, and a shovel.

I began with a mowed bermuda grass lawn in the upper corner of my yard. There were some large ash trees and a hackberry along the fence and some privets and other crap on along the other fence, grown into the fence that had been annually cut but grow back.

I hate tilling bermuda.

So what I did instead was one fall, I hauled in truckloads of bagged leaves people leave by the curb for trash pickup. And I spread these out about 6" thick over a 60 foot by 60 foot corner of the yard. (roughly....what I made was a pie wedge with an arc on the wide end where the lowest berm is.)

Than I looked on craigslist, found free horse manure, and hauled in many truckloads of manure and put about 3" of that on top of the leaves.

Leaves smother the grass to death, manure microbes eat the leaves.

By the spring I had a worm farm.

Magnolia leaves are the best. They lay flat, and I think the worms benefit from the fatty acids in the wax.

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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (08-08-2019 11:38 PM)
In the photos that follow, everything you see was done with a pickup truck, a garden cart, a manure fork, and a shovel.

I began with a mowed bermuda grass lawn in the upper corner of my yard. There were some large ash trees and a hackberry along the fence and some privets and other crap on along the other fence, grown into the fence that had been annually cut but grow back.

I hate tilling bermuda.

So what I did instead was one fall, I hauled in truckloads of bagged leaves people leave by the curb for trash pickup. And I spread these out about 6" thick over a 60 foot by 60 foot corner of the yard. (roughly....what I made was a pie wedge with an arc on the wide end where the lowest berm is.)

Than I looked on craigslist, found free horse manure, and hauled in many truckloads of manure and put about 3" of that on top of the leaves.

Leaves smother the grass to death, manure microbes eat the leaves.

By the spring I had a worm farm.

Magnolia leaves are the best. They lay flat, and I think the worms benefit from the fatty acids in the wax.

I still want a house made of wood and tarp.
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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (08-08-2019 11:38 PM)
In the photos that follow, everything you see was done with a pickup truck, a garden cart, a manure fork, and a shovel.

I began with a mowed bermuda grass lawn in the upper corner of my yard. There were some large ash trees and a hackberry along the fence and some privets and other crap on along the other fence, grown into the fence that had been annually cut but grow back.

I hate tilling bermuda.

So what I did instead was one fall, I hauled in truckloads of bagged leaves people leave by the curb for trash pickup. And I spread these out about 6" thick over a 60 foot by 60 foot corner of the yard. (roughly....what I made was a pie wedge with an arc on the wide end where the lowest berm is.)

Than I looked on craigslist, found free horse manure, and hauled in many truckloads of manure and put about 3" of that on top of the leaves.

Leaves smother the grass to death, manure microbes eat the leaves.

By the spring I had a worm farm.

Magnolia leaves are the best. They lay flat, and I think the worms benefit from the fatty acids in the wax.

smart thinking!

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Actually let me back up a bit.

That's not right.

Here's what happened.

One fall I trimmed the trees away from my roof, so they wouldn't bang up my shingles.

And I started to haul the limbs off to the Tulsa mulch facility, AKA the "Green Landfill."

Mulch Site
2100 N. 145th E. Ave.
Open seven days a week (excluding City holidays)
7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.

You can:
Drop-off: tree branches, grass clippings and leaves
Pick up: an unlimited amount of FREE wood chips and firewood. A firewood cutting area is available, but you must bring your own tools.

https://www.cityoftulsa.org/government/d...ulch-site/

This is an excellent facility and it's free to residents(included in the water/sewer bill.)

You can dump off all your clean yard waste(no lumber) no bagged leaves or grass, and pick up as much firewood and wood chips as you want.

So I came back with a load of uncut firewood. Logs were about 8-12" in diameter and 4 feet long.

That's when I decided to do the food forest. I laid the rest of the branches I had cut in arcs in that corner of the yard where I wanted my swales and berms, and I spaced them wide enough to back mu truck up in between them, because I went back and got wood chips and covered them with that.

The firewood I intended to burn for heat, and I got may truckloads of that and piled them up by the gate to cut and split before stacking. Did this about a week. BIG PILE of logs.

Then code enforcement contractors showed up.

chuckle

Knock Knock....

"We were sent here to clean up that wood."

"That's my firewood and my garden, I'm not done with it yet."

He was cool, he called it in, said it was firewood and a garden "in progress."

But he told me to stack the uncut wood, so I welded up racks, laid down some landscaping fabric along another fence, set up my racks and stacked the wood.

I put wood chips and manure on the branches, and that was the start of the garden.

THEN I put leaves and manure on the grass.

My mounds were about a foot high, 2 and 1/2 feet wide at that point.


A year or two later I still hadn't installed my wood burning stove or cut and split the firewood, because of the inturruption with making the racks and stacking it.

Threw the whole wood heat thing off schedule.

lol

So a year or two later I looked at that firewood.....hmmmm....

And I enlarged my mounds to 3 feet tall and six feet wide.

With the logs.

Jhikpghf

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5* thread. thanks for the interesting information.

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The branches and logs were not cut for firewood or for hugelkultur, at the mulch facility they just look at your load and if you have oak in there suitable for firewood they have you dump it in the firewood pile.

It's up to the scroungers to cut and split it so these pieces had fork and curves in them.

So they didn't stack tight.

I shoved leaves and grassclipping and wood chips in the gaps so I wouldn't have to fill it with dirt. I had to dig up all the dirt to put on top, so I stuffed the gaps with other stuff.

This is where the hound dogs come in later....

chuckle

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banana RE: Hound Dog Hugelkultur
Excuse my MS paint sketches.

chuckle

This is how I stacked the wood on top of the branches:

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I just laid the logs on top of the branch/chip/manure mounds on the downhill side, then I laid longer ones on the uphill side(or vice-versa can't remember)

Then stuffed them with chips, leaves, and grass.

Then I dug swales in between the berms and put the dirt on top.

And uphill of the last berm in the top corner of the garden.

That wasn't enough dirt, so I dug other beds out of the open spaces and filled them up with leaves and grass, so they'd make more dirt.

This is clay soil, and when the microbes hit it it expands into loam.

The whole garden is one gigantic sponge.

This is how I would do it next time:

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In the second sketch, what I'm trying to show is, what'd I'd like to try next time.

Instead of a solid pile of wood, two piles with a gap in between.

Fill dirt in the middle, and plant asparagus on top.

Hypothesis is the asparagus roots will actively transport moisture from below to the top.

The other thing I would do is bore holes in the logs and plug them with mushroom spawn.


yeah3

This system has mushrooms, but they aren't all edible, and mushrooms speed decomposition of the wood.

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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (08-09-2019 12:21 AM)
Excuse my MS paint sketches.

chuckle

This is how I stacked the wood on top of the branches:

[Image: DPYA8me.jpg]

I just laid the logs on top of the branch/chip/manure mounds on the downhill side, then I laid longer ones on the uphill side(or vice-versa can't remember)

Then stuffed them with chips, leaves, and grass.

Then I dug swales in between the berms and put the dirt on top.

And uphill of the last berm in the top corner of the garden.

That wasn't enough dirt, so I dug other beds out of the open spaces and filled them up with leaves and grass, so they'd make more dirt.

This is clay soil, and when the microbes hit it it expands into loam.

The whole garden is one gigantic sponge.

This is how I would do it next time:

[Image: xImjCi2.jpg]





In the second sketch, what I'm trying to show is, what'd I'd like to try next time.

Instead of a solid pile of wood, two piles with a gap in between.

Fill dirt in the middle, and plant asparagus on top.

Hypothesis is the asparagus roots will actively transport moisture from below to the top.

The other thing I would do is bore holes in the logs and plug them with mushroom spawn.


yeah3

This system has mushrooms, but they aren't all edible, and mushrooms speed decomposition of the wood.

YES!!!!


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Here's what it looked like a week or two ago:

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The original (and ongoing) plan was a food forest.

But though I can afford gasoline to drive around and haul leaves, manure, wood chip, and logs, I never seem to have the cash to pay $60 for a paper shell pecan tree. Or a peach tree....or.....

lol

What I was able to get one year was some sand plums and native plums from the "Up With Trees!" booth at the Tulsa Garden Center plant sale.

These were rooted cuttings they got from a forestry service. Free with a recommended donation of $1 each. I donated a buck for each cutting I got.

Cuttings sort of suck, but here's the sand plum now:

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And here's one of the native plums:

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These were sticks about 5/16 inches thick and two feet long about three years ago.

They both finally fruited this year.

Neither have much fruit flesh.

Big pits, not much fruit.

lol

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I will be planting fruit and nut trees as my budget allows.

I paid $10 each for two pawpaws last year and one died.

Here's the other one:

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Bugs have been scarfing on the leaves this year.

chuckle

But what I've been focusing on is legumes.

In permaculture you use leguminous shrubs, vines, and trees to bind nitrogen to the soil.

You innoculate the seeds with rhizobia bacteria, and this bacteria has a symbiotic relationship with the roots of the legume.

They draw off nitrogen and create nitrogen nodules.

You can buy this inoculate for green beans in good nurseries.

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You mix this with water and soak the seeds in it, stirring them around to coat them before you plant.

As the plant grows the bacteria make nitrogen nodules next to the roots.

When you pick the green beans, the plant sloughs off a little bit of root and that frees up the nitrogen and gives it a kick.

You get more green beans that way.

With leguminous trees, what you do is in the rainy season you whack off part of the tree, by coppicing it or pollarding it, and you throw the leaves onto the soil as mulch and fertilizer, and when the root ball sloughs it gives that tree a boost and all the plants near its roots.

Speeds things up.

Jhikpghf

So I've been collecting native legumes and planting them.

These are black locust and kentucky coffeetrees:

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There's also a cedar I scavenged from my grandfather's forest, and some redbuds and a catawba.

More on that in a sec.

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Kentucky coffeetree:

[Image: bT4Xxmp.jpg]

Here's what the garden looked like last year(or the year before) before the annual planting:

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After a rain:

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All my swales filled up this year(better than that), but don't have those pics on this pendrive.

But I'll bring them later.

I was real happy because I just eyeballed the slope.

chuckle

The rest of today's pics will be legumes mostly.

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banana RE: Hound Dog Hugelkultur
Here's where the hound dogs come into play.

chuckle

About two years ago, my neighbor across the road cleared his vacant lots.

One of the problems I had when building these berms was I didn't have anybody to water them while I was forking leaves, wood chips and grass clippings on and stomping them into the cracks between the logs.

You really want to wet everything down before you put the dirt on top.

So what happened was this layer of stuff stayed dry and the leaves compacted together, and that was a root barrier.

Well....when the neighbor cleaned up his feral lots(he was trying to get them rezoned so he tidied up) lol

He drove rodents over to my house.

Rats went in my house, and some of them and mice burrowed into my berms.

Srjceahd

The dogs heard them. And they started digging.

I came home one day and three out of four of my berms were totally torn up.

I looked at it in horror.

Until....

I noticed they has shredded all the leaves.

So I just got my shovel and scooped it back up on top.

Thank you doggy tillers, that sped things up!

Lmao

Couldn't have done it without the rodents. Thank you neighbor' refugees.

lol

Chicken tractor, doggie tiller. That's better.

I have video but don't have a youtube channel.

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