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Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Cobalt
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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:18 PM)
Cobalt  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:00 PM)
goldens a larger...but not MUCH larger.

hopi take them for feathers for their ceremonies. it's allowed as part of their religion.

they take them from nests as fledglings and tether them to cage/structures on the roofs of their homes or other dwellings... throw meat to them and raise them in captivity there...then sacrifice them once they reach full plumage .

Keeping them tethered and using feathers from them to honor the bird god and then sacrificing it is like..
Making a cow a holy vessel and then drinking it's blood before sending it to a butcher.
But then, not many relgious oddities make sense to me.
yeah...i don't like the way they do it.

the bird never flies and is born to die.


most religious stuff is fooked IMO....but there's not a lot of stuff that makes sense when it comes to people's beliefs.


i have never heard about what happens to the birds remains beyond it's feathers.

i have seen them on roofs though.
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Post: #47
RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:38 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:17 PM)
You posting bullshit is what happens every time. You're hilarious.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife service is "fake", that's a classic.

The only reason anyone would support killing so many birds

But they're not being killed in large numbers, as we have established and neither I nor anyone I know works for anything to do with energy, wind or otherwise. Now why don't you explain why you keep posting propaganda from fossil fuel industry lobby groups? What is your connection with the fossil fuel industry? Everyone on LOP knows you do this so tell us what you link is.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:44 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:38 PM)
The only reason anyone would support killing so many birds

But they're not being killed in large numbers, as we have established and neither I nor anyone I know works for anything to do with energy, wind or otherwise. Now why don't you explain why you keep posting propaganda from fossil fuel industry lobby groups? What is your connection with the fossil fuel industry? Everyone on LOP knows you do this so tell us what you link is.

I am retired from the tourist business in Waikiki. I have no connection whatsoever to energy companies nor ever did. I try to bring the truth to LOP whenever I can. The globalist conspiracy uses global warming to advance their agenda. Renewable energy is part of their plan to ration energy to the public. They must convince the masses to accept less energy at higher and higher cost. Personally I lost about $100,000 by believing in global warming higher sea levels. Back in the 90's I wanted to buy a house in Honolulu near the ocean. I was afraid of rising sea levels due to global warming. THEN I found it was just a fraud, that sea levels have been rising at a steady slow rate for almost 200 years, with NO ACCELERATION AFTER CO2 levels started to rise in the 1940's. That means there has been NO GLOBAL WARMING AT ALL! Here is a tide gauge from Honolulu that show no increase in the rate of sea level rise in 100 years, just the slow 5 inches a century.

[Image: 1612340_meantrend.png]

By waiting to buy I lost about $100,000 solely due to the global warming fraud. You bet I was pissed, and I SWORE I would post the truth in as many places as I could.

“The highest activity a human being can attain is learning for understanding, because to understand is to be free.” --Baruch Spinoza
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Post: #49
RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:57 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:44 PM)
But they're not being killed in large numbers, as we have established and neither I nor anyone I know works for anything to do with energy, wind or otherwise. Now why don't you explain why you keep posting propaganda from fossil fuel industry lobby groups? What is your connection with the fossil fuel industry? Everyone on LOP knows you do this so tell us what you link is.

Personally I lost about $100,000 by believing in global warming higher sea levels. Back in the 90's I wanted to buy a house in Honolulu near the ocean. I was afraid of rising sea levels due to global warming. THEN I found it was just a fraud, that sea levels have been rising at a steady slow rate for almost 200 years, with NO ACCELERATION AFTER CO2 levels started to rise in the 1940's.

By waiting to buy I lost about $100,000 solely due to the global warming fraud. You bet I was pissed, and I SWORE I would post the truth in as many places as I could.

That's both funny and sad. So now you blame renewable energy companies for your lack of success in playing the property market, even though you didn't lose a cent you will have your revenge in this world or the next.





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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:57 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:44 PM)
But they're not being killed in large numbers, as we have established and neither I nor anyone I know works for anything to do with energy, wind or otherwise. Now why don't you explain why you keep posting propaganda from fossil fuel industry lobby groups? What is your connection with the fossil fuel industry? Everyone on LOP knows you do this so tell us what you link is.

I am retired from the tourist business in Waikiki. I have no connection whatsoever to energy companies nor ever did. I try to bring the truth to LOP whenever I can. The globalist conspiracy uses global warming to advance their agenda. Renewable energy is part of their plan to ration energy to the public. They must convince the masses to accept less energy at higher and higher cost. Personally I lost about $100,000 by believing in global warming higher sea levels. Back in the 90's I wanted to buy a house in Honolulu near the ocean. I was afraid of rising sea levels due to global warming. THEN I found it was just a fraud, that sea levels have been rising at a steady slow rate for almost 200 years, with NO ACCELERATION AFTER CO2 levels started to rise in the 1940's. That means there has been NO GLOBAL WARMING AT ALL! Here is a tide gauge from Honolulu that show no increase in the rate of sea level rise in 100 years, just the slow 5 inches a century.

link to image: https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltren...ntrend.png

By waiting to buy I lost about $100,000 solely due to the global warming fraud. You bet I was pissed, and I SWORE I would post the truth in as many places as I could.

Wow hope you don’t fill toursists minds with your misleading bullshit
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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Well, just go to Extinct and bring them back then!
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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:38 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:17 PM)
You posting bullshit is what happens every time. You're hilarious.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife service is "fake", that's a classic.

The only reason anyone would support killing so many birds including endangered species is that they are a wind energy company shill. Admit it, you work for the wind farms!

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-06-farms-bi...ehere.html

Wind farms kill 0.3 birds per gigawatt hour.

Fossil fuel plants kill 5.2 per gigawatt hour.

You are a pretend friend of animals.

Why is there coal dust under your finger nails.

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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:57 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:44 PM)
But they're not being killed in large numbers, as we have established and neither I nor anyone I know works for anything to do with energy, wind or otherwise. Now why don't you explain why you keep posting propaganda from fossil fuel industry lobby groups? What is your connection with the fossil fuel industry? Everyone on LOP knows you do this so tell us what you link is.

I am retired from the tourist business in Waikiki. I have no connection whatsoever to energy companies nor ever did. I try to bring the truth to LOP whenever I can. The globalist conspiracy uses global warming to advance their agenda. Renewable energy is part of their plan to ration energy to the public. They must convince the masses to accept less energy at higher and higher cost. Personally I lost about $100,000 by believing in global warming higher sea levels. Back in the 90's I wanted to buy a house in Honolulu near the ocean. I was afraid of rising sea levels due to global warming. THEN I found it was just a fraud, that sea levels have been rising at a steady slow rate for almost 200 years, with NO ACCELERATION AFTER CO2 levels started to rise in the 1940's. That means there has been NO GLOBAL WARMING AT ALL! Here is a tide gauge from Honolulu that show no increase in the rate of sea level rise in 100 years, just the slow 5 inches a century.

[Image: 1612340_meantrend.png]

By waiting to buy I lost about $100,000 solely due to the global warming fraud. You bet I was pissed, and I SWORE I would post the truth in as many places as I could.
The sea didn't rise so now you completely reject global warming and renewable energy.

It would seem reasonable until you saw how you behave when your propaganda is debunked.

Fossil fuel plants kill 15 times more birds than wind turbines.

Will you support them now or are you too busy choking on fumes.

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Alian2
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Post: #54
RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Alian2  Wrote: (08-17-2019 01:02 AM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:38 PM)
The only reason anyone would support killing so many birds including endangered species is that they are a wind energy company shill. Admit it, you work for the wind farms!

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-06-farms-bi...ehere.html

Wind farms kill 0.3 birds per gigawatt hour.

Fossil fuel plants kill 5.2 per gigawatt hour.

You are a pretend friend of animals.

Why is there coal dust under your finger nails.
Bump this if you love birds more than your dirty coal mining stocks.

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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Alian2  Wrote: (08-17-2019 01:06 AM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-16-2019 08:57 PM)
I am retired from the tourist business in Waikiki. I have no connection whatsoever to energy companies nor ever did. I try to bring the truth to LOP whenever I can. The globalist conspiracy uses global warming to advance their agenda. Renewable energy is part of their plan to ration energy to the public. They must convince the masses to accept less energy at higher and higher cost. Personally I lost about $100,000 by believing in global warming higher sea levels. Back in the 90's I wanted to buy a house in Honolulu near the ocean. I was afraid of rising sea levels due to global warming. THEN I found it was just a fraud, that sea levels have been rising at a steady slow rate for almost 200 years, with NO ACCELERATION AFTER CO2 levels started to rise in the 1940's. That means there has been NO GLOBAL WARMING AT ALL! Here is a tide gauge from Honolulu that show no increase in the rate of sea level rise in 100 years, just the slow 5 inches a century.

[Image: 1612340_meantrend.png]

By waiting to buy I lost about $100,000 solely due to the global warming fraud. You bet I was pissed, and I SWORE I would post the truth in as many places as I could.
The sea didn't rise so now you completely reject global warming and renewable energy.

It would seem reasonable until you saw how you behave when your propaganda is debunked.

Fossil fuel plants kill 15 times more birds than wind turbines.

Will you support them now or are you too busy choking on fumes.

That link you quoted isn't even based on evidence, it is a "model", and "estimation" and the "Conversation" is a left wing propaganda site.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/tony-tho...versation/

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Alian2
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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-17-2019 02:56 AM)
Alian2  Wrote: (08-17-2019 01:06 AM)
The sea didn't rise so now you completely reject global warming and renewable energy.

It would seem reasonable until you saw how you behave when your propaganda is debunked.

Fossil fuel plants kill 15 times more birds than wind turbines.

Will you support them now or are you too busy choking on fumes.

That link you quoted isn't even based on evidence, it is a "model", and "estimation" and the "Conversation" is a left wing propaganda site.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/tony-tho...versation/

Liar. You didn't even read it. It is based on data from the US and Europe.

Your OP has no data to back it up.

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Alian2  Wrote: (08-17-2019 03:26 AM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-17-2019 02:56 AM)
That link you quoted isn't even based on evidence, it is a "model", and "estimation" and the "Conversation" is a left wing propaganda site.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/tony-tho...versation/

Liar. You didn't even read it. It is based on data from the US and Europe.

Your OP has no data to back it up.

Any idiot can see there is no way birds can get caught in either coal, nat gas, or nuclear power stations. In fact, the so called study quoted in the "conversation" speculated that birds die in coal mines, even mentioning a Montana mine:

"The source is a study by one Benjamin Sovacool. Sovacool first published a report with these claims in 2009 while on the faculty at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore. Free downloads can be found here and here. In 2012 he published a second version, now being identified as a Visiting Associate Professor at the Vermont Law School and Senior Researcher for Energy Security and Justice at the Institute for Energy and the Environment.

So, how does one arrive at these counter-intuitive conclusions? There are two halves of the analysis, the impacts from nuclear power and the impacts from wind. Take nuclear power first.

The most dominant contribution to Sovacool’s analysis of nuclear power impacts comes from uranium mining and milling operations which he claims “can poison and kill hundreds of birds per facility per year”. In his first report, he supports this by focusing on two “uranium mining” operations “in Wyoming” where he charges that bird deaths are caused by abandoned open pits.

The first is the Canon City Uranium Mine in Colorado (not Wyoming), a mine that operated from 1958 to 1979, and only intermittently since. The owners of the mine were ordered to pay a $40,000 fine when a kerosene spill killed 40 geese in 2008. The spill was a one time occurrence and the operators were required to take steps to prevent further spills. Sovacool assumes the death of 40 geese is a routine occurrence, assumes it happens annually at every operating uranium mine, then based on estimates of the peak uranium production (8.4t of enriched uranium when the mine was operating), and using a conversion of 792 GWh produced per ton of enriched uranium, he concludes the rate associated with the Canon City mine is 0.006 deaths per GWh. Not a very big number, but taking this one incident and leveraging it to represent half of all the uranium mines in the world (as is implied in his averaging of results) is … let’s just say it’s not very good science."
https://atomicinsights.com/nukes-kill-mo...than-wind/


Your link is trash, just greenwash, nothing substantive.

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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-17-2019 03:38 AM)
Alian2  Wrote: (08-17-2019 03:26 AM)
Liar. You didn't even read it. It is based on data from the US and Europe.

Your OP has no data to back it up.

Any idiot can see there is no way birds can get caught in either coal, nat gas, or nuclear power stations. In fact, the so called study quoted in the "conversation" speculated that birds die in coal mines, even mentioning a Montana mine:

"The source is a study by one Benjamin Sovacool. Sovacool first published a report with these claims in 2009 while on the faculty at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore. Free downloads can be found here and here. In 2012 he published a second version, now being identified as a Visiting Associate Professor at the Vermont Law School and Senior Researcher for Energy Security and Justice at the Institute for Energy and the Environment.

So, how does one arrive at these counter-intuitive conclusions? There are two halves of the analysis, the impacts from nuclear power and the impacts from wind. Take nuclear power first.

The most dominant contribution to Sovacool’s analysis of nuclear power impacts comes from uranium mining and milling operations which he claims “can poison and kill hundreds of birds per facility per year”. In his first report, he supports this by focusing on two “uranium mining” operations “in Wyoming” where he charges that bird deaths are caused by abandoned open pits.

The first is the Canon City Uranium Mine in Colorado (not Wyoming), a mine that operated from 1958 to 1979, and only intermittently since. The owners of the mine were ordered to pay a $40,000 fine when a kerosene spill killed 40 geese in 2008. The spill was a one time occurrence and the operators were required to take steps to prevent further spills. Sovacool assumes the death of 40 geese is a routine occurrence, assumes it happens annually at every operating uranium mine, then based on estimates of the peak uranium production (8.4t of enriched uranium when the mine was operating), and using a conversion of 792 GWh produced per ton of enriched uranium, he concludes the rate associated with the Canon City mine is 0.006 deaths per GWh. Not a very big number, but taking this one incident and leveraging it to represent half of all the uranium mines in the world (as is implied in his averaging of results) is … let’s just say it’s not very good science."
https://atomicinsights.com/nukes-kill-mo...than-wind/


Your link is trash, just greenwash, nothing substantive.

The bird deaths from mining fuel count too.

Where is the source for your absurd numbers.

If your argument was that geothermal, hydro and solar power kill fewer birds per watt I would agree with you.

But that is not the argument you are making, is it?

That isn't even the argument that your OP is making.

Provide a source because you are not reliable and prone to being duped by oil and coal propaganda if not an outright purveyor of disinformation.

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RE: Wind Farms In North Sea Causing some Birds Species To Go Extinct
Alian2  Wrote: (08-17-2019 03:49 AM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (08-17-2019 03:38 AM)
Any idiot can see there is no way birds can get caught in either coal, nat gas, or nuclear power stations. In fact, the so called study quoted in the "conversation" speculated that birds die in coal mines, even mentioning a Montana mine:

"The source is a study by one Benjamin Sovacool. Sovacool first published a report with these claims in 2009 while on the faculty at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore. Free downloads can be found here and here. In 2012 he published a second version, now being identified as a Visiting Associate Professor at the Vermont Law School and Senior Researcher for Energy Security and Justice at the Institute for Energy and the Environment.

So, how does one arrive at these counter-intuitive conclusions? There are two halves of the analysis, the impacts from nuclear power and the impacts from wind. Take nuclear power first.

The most dominant contribution to Sovacool’s analysis of nuclear power impacts comes from uranium mining and milling operations which he claims “can poison and kill hundreds of birds per facility per year”. In his first report, he supports this by focusing on two “uranium mining” operations “in Wyoming” where he charges that bird deaths are caused by abandoned open pits.

The first is the Canon City Uranium Mine in Colorado (not Wyoming), a mine that operated from 1958 to 1979, and only intermittently since. The owners of the mine were ordered to pay a $40,000 fine when a kerosene spill killed 40 geese in 2008. The spill was a one time occurrence and the operators were required to take steps to prevent further spills. Sovacool assumes the death of 40 geese is a routine occurrence, assumes it happens annually at every operating uranium mine, then based on estimates of the peak uranium production (8.4t of enriched uranium when the mine was operating), and using a conversion of 792 GWh produced per ton of enriched uranium, he concludes the rate associated with the Canon City mine is 0.006 deaths per GWh. Not a very big number, but taking this one incident and leveraging it to represent half of all the uranium mines in the world (as is implied in his averaging of results) is … let’s just say it’s not very good science."
https://atomicinsights.com/nukes-kill-mo...than-wind/


Your link is trash, just greenwash, nothing substantive.

The bird deaths from mining fuel count too.

Where is the source for your absurd numbers.

If your argument was that geothermal, hydro and solar power kill fewer birds per watt I would agree with you.

But that is not the argument you are making, is it?

That isn't even the argument that your OP is making.

Provide a source because you are not reliable and prone to being duped by oil and coal propaganda if not an outright purveyor of disinformation.

I've provided three sources of studies. You have provided a piece of biased drivel. I rest my case.

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“Environmental Crime”… Rare, Endangered Birds Being Killed To Clear Way For Wind Park Project Approvals

The online German BR24 of Bavaria here writes how many endangered birds are being shot or poisoned in what appears to be in some cases attempts to clear the way for controversial projects such as wind parks.

Already there are strong protests across Germany concerning wind parks ruining the landscape, damaging the local biotope, disrupting the water management and the sickening infrasound that the installations emit. But now “climate rescuers” are also actively purposely killing rare birds that obstruct project approvals.

The BR24 reports how each year 40 – 50 suspicious cases of large dead birds across Bavaria are examined in order to determine the the cause of a large bird’s death. Recently a passerby found an extremely rare sea eagle dead near a railway embankment. Experts say that it is highly unlikely that the large predatory bird was killed by a passing train.

The large sea eagle was thus taken to the Bird Protection Monitoring Station in Garmisch-Partenkirchen where it was X-rayed and underwent an autopsy to determine the real cause of death, The result: it had been poisoned. An illegal rat poison was found in its stomach and liver.

This is a tragedy because according to Hans-Joachim Fünfstück, Director of the Monitoring Station:

Concerning sea eagles, we have only a very small stock in Bavaria. We are not even at 25 breeding pairs. We have 20 pairs, maybe. Every bird is precious.”

Overall, the BR 24 writes that in Garmisch Partenkirchen all suspiciously dead birds undergo an autopsy and writes that a cause of death “is often poisoning” by using tainted bait.

https://notrickszone.com/2018/11/28/envi...approvals/

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