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Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
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08-25-2019 03:29 PM

 



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Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
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What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it. Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.

Dr. Tim Ball wrote that climate Scientist Michael Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn State.” as part of a critique of the "Hockey Stick" graph.

Mann sued him for libel.

Ball contended that he needed Mann's data to show that the infamous "hockey stick" graph was incorrect.

Mann refused to produce his data.

The case was dismissed "with prejudice" and Mann was ordered to pay Ball's court costs.
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08-25-2019 06:42 PM

 



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RE: Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
Largest shakedown ever...
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08-25-2019 08:50 PM

 



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RE: Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
Mann's over on his Twitter right now having a total liberal meltdown between denying that he lost (which he did) and hating on Trump.

The tears are delicious.

https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann
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08-25-2019 09:49 PM

 



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RE: Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-25-2019 08:50 PM)
Mann's over on his Twitter right now having a total liberal meltdown between denying that he lost (which he did) and hating on Trump.

The tears are delicious.

https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann

Yeah the "BC Court never made any finding that I failed to produce any data. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying or facilitating a lie. " statement of his on twitter is just special.

Mann does produce most of his data - except for the parts he hides.

The court didn't ask him for some of his data, it asked him for all of his data for the "hockey stick".

The court did make a finding that he didn't produce all of his data.
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08-25-2019 10:35 PM

 



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RE: Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-25-2019 09:49 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-25-2019 08:50 PM)
Mann's over on his Twitter right now having a total liberal meltdown between denying that he lost (which he did) and hating on Trump.

The tears are delicious.

https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann

Yeah the "BC Court never made any finding that I failed to produce any data. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying or facilitating a lie. " statement of his on twitter is just special.

Mann does produce most of his data - except for the parts he hides.

The court didn't ask him for some of his data, it asked him for all of his data for the "hockey stick".

The court did make a finding that he didn't produce all of his data.

Guess you can provide that 'data' in the way or crout transcrip ?

No ?....who do I see about my court cost !
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08-25-2019 10:49 PM

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RE: Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
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08-25-2019 11:46 PM

 



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RE: Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-25-2019 09:49 PM)
Yeah the "BC Court never made any finding that I failed to produce any data. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying or facilitating a lie. " statement of his on twitter is just special.

Mann does produce most of his data - except for the parts he hides.

The court didn't ask him for some of his data, it asked him for all of his data for the "hockey stick".

The court did make a finding that he didn't produce all of his data.

Guess you can provide that 'data' in the way or crout transcrip ?

No ?....who do I see about my court cost !

The court case was going on since 2011.

Mann chose not to release his data after an adjournment (settlement conference) in 2017 where that was one of the conditions. Failing to comply with the conditions got his case tossed. He apparently could be bothered to put his data on a thumb drive for two years.

The real question is why his "proprietary" data is worth losing a court case.

If his "proprietary" data shows he committed misconduct (bad science) the decision sort of makes sense. Better to lose a court case than open yourself up to misconduct charges.

We may never know - but this may have an impact on the Steyn case (who was also sued by Mann.
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RE: Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case
This could be entertaining.


Popcorn
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