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Brexit, the Tories, and the Constitution
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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/467847-hysteria...ament-ww2/

Eighty years ago this week, Britain declared war on Nazi Germany. ...
Our people then kept calm and carried on.
...
Eighty years later, in this September crisis, Britain is in the grip of mass hysteria.
... because the prime minister extended the parliamentary holiday by FIVE days
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Post: #33
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can you imagine that, English nationalism is now a bad thing ?

https://www.rt.com/uk/467883-boris-gover...destroyed/

He bemoaned the negative transformation of this “once great party,” claiming that it had become infected by “twin diseases of populism and English nationalism."
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Post: #34
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It's so funny watching these folks try to untangle themselves from this mess. They'll just extend and pretend. Europe and the U.K. are like two kids that are failing in math getting together to teach each other math.
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Post: #35
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So many traitors in the UK parliament now a days. Lee just crossed the food to end the Cons majority,thus hamstringing Boris. Unbelievable!

If immigrants are freeloaders why does ICE always raid workplaces?
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Post: #36
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northerntomcat  Wrote: (09-03-2019 08:27 PM)
So many traitors in the UK parliament now a days. Lee just crossed the food to end the Cons majority,thus hamstringing Boris. Unbelievable!

Not sure, some think that Johnson has pushed the rebels to act so that he can call a no confidence vote in his own government and this force an election... otherwise the fixed terms trap him into inaction, which is what they planned them to do..
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Post: #37
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-03-2019 08:35 PM)
northerntomcat  Wrote: (09-03-2019 08:27 PM)
So many traitors in the UK parliament now a days. Lee just crossed the food to end the Cons majority,thus hamstringing Boris. Unbelievable!

Not sure, some think that Johnson has pushed the rebels to act so that he can call a no confidence vote in his own government and this force an election... otherwise the fixed terms trap him into inaction, which is what they planned them to do..

Why can't they just accept the referendum results,after all don't they serve the public? Why do individuals feel that they alone can make the decision for the whole country?

How much money did that referendum cost? And now another election? when does the madness stop?

If immigrants are freeloaders why does ICE always raid workplaces?
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Post: #38
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northerntomcat  Wrote: (09-03-2019 08:46 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-03-2019 08:35 PM)
Not sure, some think that Johnson has pushed the rebels to act so that he can call a no confidence vote in his own government and this force an election... otherwise the fixed terms trap him into inaction, which is what they planned them to do..

Why can't they just accept the referendum results,after all don't they serve the public? Why do individuals feel that they alone can make the decision for the whole country?

How much money did that referendum cost? And now another election? when does the madness stop?

To be honest I believe the issue lies in the UKs constitution, it simply can not deal with a "will of the people" moment unlike others who have their "we the people" starting point.. Referendums are fine when the will of the people returns the same answer the will of parliament wants to hear, only, perhaps by complacency or arrogance? it didn't this time and in some ways broke the system since they have no tools to actually manage to cope in that situation..

I see it as an evolutionary one for the Constitution and Parliment as a whole, plenty of ideas being mooted from all sides, replacing the HoL with an elected senate etc..
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Post: #39
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BREAKING: MPs have taken control of the Commons by 328 - 301.

PM defeated, rebels lose their jobs, paves way for No Deal bill tomorrow.

If immigrants are freeloaders why does ICE always raid workplaces?
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Post: #42
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (09-02-2019 10:33 AM)
Fascism for dummies
2016
by Sergio Graziosi
Brexit, the unchallenged pile of lies which enabled it, and now Trump. If you are not scared, you haven’t been paying attention. There are many visible reasons to be scared, but more worryingly, there are hidden reasons as well. I think that the hidden reasons need to be exposed, and will try to do so below. [Spoiler: I will need to start from the good side of fascism, because yes, it does have one.]

Anti-fascism of the wrong kind.


As a result of Brexit, it is well known and widely acknowledged that the British right wing media feels bold enough to openly promote fascistic ideas. Concurrently, the UK government is busy promoting policies that don’t smell much different, while making it very clear that they don’t find the media coverage alarming.

In this context, many are blowing the whistle, in fact, it is reassuring to see how many do. However, I fear that all the whistle-blowing is falling on deaf ears. My worry is that both the UK and the US have demonised fascism so thoroughly that they have effectively become unable to detect and repel it efficiently.
<----SNIP----->

Quote:Present-day fascism promises to solve the problems created by liberal democracies, mainly by providing a more efficient (and gratifying) way to coordinate efforts. Unfortunately, it comes with the upfront cost of being oppressive (despite my example, I don’t think benign oppression will ever be possible). This should be enough to repel it. Who wants to live oppressed?
If that’s not enough, the secondary effect of silencing dissent is an inherent inability to detect and correct mistakes. As a result, fascism promises to solve some problems, but is only able to deliver this promise at its onset: sooner or later, inefficiency necessarily prevails. In other words, fascism merely appears to solve the problems in question, but in fact it postpones them without resolving them, allowing them to grow out of control. In short: fascism is a problem that you really don’t want to have.

Am I saying that Britain and the USA are inevitably sliding into fascism? No. I’m saying that the danger is real, and it is real because many people who sincerely believe that fascism is bad may be unable or unwilling to recognise the current trend. They are, because they have been told lies, (mostly well intentioned) lies about fascism, in this case.

https://sergiograziosi.wordpress.com/201...r-dummies/

I don't fear law and order. I welcome it.
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Post: #43
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There is NO SUCH thing as BRIXIT!
You Will Never Be FREE to Leave!
You are SERVANTS Of the Royalty!
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Post: #45
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-04-2019 04:53 AM)
I don't fear law and order. I welcome it.

can you pinpoint the belief behind that sentiment?
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