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Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
FD3.14
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Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
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Many people of told me that the 12,000 “lie” claim is fact.

It’s not .

This is their database of documented “lies” President Trump supposedly told. My counter arguments will be fast and loose but then so are the reasons.

I’m just applying their standard of proof against them.

To be fair I’m picking the first three random “lies” I come across.

Here’s the first.....

Quote:NOV 04 2018
“If Stacey Abrams gets in, your second amendment is... is gone, gone. Stacey and her friends will get rid of it. … Take your guns away.”

Topic: Guns
Source: Campaign rally

This is grossly misleading. Governors do not have the power to "get rid of" constitutional rights. Trump may be speaking loosely about potential curbs to gun ownership under Democratic governors. But those curbs must comply with the Second Amendment.

Governors do have the power to influence State legislatures in the constitutional convention process. Which can amend the Second Amendment through a constitutional process. Which makes their reason “grossly misleading” not factual and innaccurate. So by their standard it’s a lie.

That’s number one

Quote:AUG 02 2019
“We’re trying to have a good relationship [with Russia]. It’s very hard, in light of the phony witch hunt, which is now dead. ”

Repeated 159 times

Topic: Russia
Source: Remarks
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President Trump frequently said the special counsel's investigation was a witch hunt or a hoax. Special counsel Robert Mueller revealed significant criminal activity by some of Trump's campaign advisers and by Russian individuals and entities. Mueller concluded Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and then publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks, to sow discord in the United States, hurt Clinton and help Trump.

First off in the desperation to reach their ridiculous number. They had to use this claim 159 times. In order to bump up the numbers to sensationalize their list.

Trump is trying to normalize relations with Russia. The Mueller investigation findings don’t implicate Trump. But the Democratic Party and the media do implicate him everyday. Which does complicate negotiations and presidential power. The first part of trumps quote is accurate. The Washington post is once again misleading, and dishonest which by their standards is a lie.

In the second part of the statement he refers to the phony witchhunt.

The Washington post calls that untrue and is a lie.

First off they don’t know that it wasn’t a witchhunt. The investigation into the motives isn’t over. If that investigation shows that they began the investigation into Trump on lies with predetermined motives it was phony and a witchhunt. The WP can’t possibly know the outcome yet. They were inaccurate, knowingly deceptive and imaginative.By their standard they lied at least 159times .

That’s 160 lies in two post. By their standard.

Quote:JUL 30 2019
“Despite the Democrats wanting very unsafe Open Borders & refusing to change the Loopholes & Asylum, tremendous progress is being made the the Southern Border. We all waited because we assumed the Dems would ultimately be forced to change the horrible Immigration Laws.They didn't!”

Repeated 76 times

Topic: Immigration
Source: Twitter
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Trump repeatedly claims that the United States has the loosest immigration laws, but that’s simply not true. In fact, the United States has among the world’s most restrictive laws, placing it 25th among developing nations in welcoming immigrants, according to data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The president frequently blames Democrats for the current legal system but that’s wrong, too — much of current immigration policy was decided either under a Republican president or through court cases

The first sentence is as far as you need to go. They used the above quote as the example for a lie. But didn’t directly address the quote. Instead they used unrelated facts to their advantage for justification of their claim. In that quote he didn’t directly say anything they read into it. He said some of this at other times so that’s what they should’ve used. This quote was not debunked on its merits. Which is deceptive , purposefully dishonest and misleading.

That by their standards is 76 lies.

Which makes 236 lies in three claims according to their parameters.

I hate unfalsifiable claims that get thrown around as facts. I’m sure WP got some right but the rest are nothing but opinions and the list is inaccurate.

I don’t need to be right on every point. All I have to do is prove they aren’t facts.

Now the unfalsifiable claim that 12,000 lies is a fact is falsifiable.

Special thanks to whoever gave me that link as proof the 12,000 lies were all fact .

You should know better than to give me a tool I’m going to use against you .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/...-database/


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245064/pg1

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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
Yep, we know...it's actually 13,000 !
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:07 AM)
Yep, we know...it's actually 13,000 !

Give me a link i’ll tear that claim down too.

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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
How many did isn't all then?
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:12 AM)
How many did isn't all then?

I even said they got some right. But the claim of 12,000 is just sensationalized hyperbole . And people presenting it as fact are liars who don’t even bother to check their source .

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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
FD  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:15 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:12 AM)
How many did isn't all then?

I even said they got some right. But the claim of 12,000 is just sensationalized hyperbole . And people presenting it as fact are liars who don’t even bother to check their source .

Sorry, my post didn't even make sense, but you answered. chuckle
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
Washington Post is bullshit. Illinois governors have screwed gun owners for decades.
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:16 AM)
FD  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:15 AM)
I even said they got some right. But the claim of 12,000 is just sensationalized hyperbole . And people presenting it as fact are liars who don’t even bother to check their source .

Sorry, my post didn't even make sense, but you answered. chuckle

Dyslexia is a plus . chuckle

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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
TL;DR

One lie is too many.
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:54 AM)
TL;DR

One lie is too many.

So are 236 of them in three random claims .

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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
That's nothing. The Washington Post capitalizes on their lies by publishing them for subscriptions and advertising money, and pushes a far left agenda.
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
In other news, the Washington Post makes 12,000 accusations against PRESIDENT Trump, none of which prove to be true.
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:57 AM)
That's nothing. The Washington Post capitalizes on their lies by publishing them for subscriptions and advertising money, and pushes a far left agenda.

That’s a fact!

Unlike the 12,000 lies claim .

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Sophistry meaning ......
1: Term used when someone is defeated in a discussion on its merits .
2: Thrown around as a weakly played card.

The goal is to use their own fallacious argument to defeat a argument they think is a fallacy . (?)
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
FD  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:20 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:16 AM)
Sorry, my post didn't even make sense, but you answered. chuckle

Dyslexia is a plus . chuckle

chuckle

How many lies has he told?

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Reinstate Greenbacks.
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RE: Washington post claim that Trump told 12,000 lies fake news
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (09-06-2019 06:51 PM)
FD  Wrote: (09-06-2019 02:20 AM)
Dyslexia is a plus . chuckle

chuckle

How many lies has he told?

Don’t know he’s not the only politician or the only person on earth to tell a lie. But it damn sure ain’t 12,000. You guys can quit lying while you’re making that claim .

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Sophistry meaning ......
1: Term used when someone is defeated in a discussion on its merits .
2: Thrown around as a weakly played card.

The goal is to use their own fallacious argument to defeat a argument they think is a fallacy . (?)
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