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Attack on vaping, propaganda
Felix
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Post: #16
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-10-2019 07:54 PM)
BeenThereDoneThat  Wrote: (09-10-2019 07:15 PM)
Of course it's propaganda. It's taking far too much money away from big tabacco.

Lol ... it IS big tobacco. Vaping is the chemicals that they added to cigarettes (sans candy flavorings) that got the tobacco companies into trouble and then the 'settlement'. Now, they just 86'd the tobacco and went straight for the chemicals ... it's more honest that way. L0L. There's probably a ton more profit in making vaping gear and chemicals than having to actually grow a product out of the ground and then going thru all that production into final form to market. I bet vaping and all it's aftermarket and co-market items is bigger than tobacco was in the '30's d0llars.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Tobacco still has to be used to extract nicotine for vaping. And added flavoring to cigarettes still gets ‘smoked’. It gets burned in a cigarette as it is lit with a ‘flame’. And continues to burn, creating smoke, not vapor.

“The only thing constant is change.”

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Post: #17
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
hey genius

the smart thing is to stop smoking and vaping

you think huffing sh*t into your lungs makes you brilliant?

it makes you a weak addicted moron

you are the propaganda

you and the tobacco fools

with your false dichotomy bull sh*t

it is not smoking and vaping period

the third option is NOTHING

NOTHING in your lungs but air you tat covered retard


LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-10-2019 06:06 PM)
These products have been on the market for nearly ten years. Supposedly they have a body account of 250 people. Tobacco causes the deaths of more than 1,300 people a day. So in ten years the vaping does not even have the body count of what smoking kills every day before lunch time.

Why are our controllers scaring us against the vaping products? I don't know, but maybe it has something to do with the cancer industry and they're afraid of what will happen if people stop smoking the cancer sticks that are known to have radioactive chemicals on them.

There is an awful lot of "plausible deniability" going on as well. It appears to me the complications are arising after people have modified their devices to be able to vape THC juice. The media seems to be allowing just enough latitude to go back and say after it's been disproven, "We never laid the blame at the feet of the vaping industry," otherwise what they've done is an attack and slander/libel. At one time, such actions were construed as terrorism, if performed against Burger King or McDonald's, under the Bush Administration, who called vegetarians terrorists.

Under this theory of law, the media are terrorists, and under the theory of Webster, they are doubly terrorists since they are terrorizing around the notion of a product to cause fear. They are economic terrorists since they are trying to crash an industry and they are terrorists who have blood on their hands, since they will terrorize smokers into keeping smoking and not transitioning to vaping before quitting.

For purposes of full disclosure, I am a former smoker who moved to vaping, which I did for two weeks before quitting completely. I smoked a pack a day for nearly seven years, and it was not possible to get the level of nicotine in vaping that I got from tobacco. Thus in a way, I was actually titrating myself off of cigarettes without even realizing it, and after two weeks was able to quit cold turkey and aside from the first day, I never had the temptation to ever smoke again.

This informs my belief that vaping is a good transitional format to transition oneself away from a life of smoking to a life of health. Because of my personal experience with vaping, I am suspicious of the government-media complex's agenda here.
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Post: #18
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 12:45 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-10-2019 07:54 PM)
Lol ... it IS big tobacco. Vaping is the chemicals that they added to cigarettes (sans candy flavorings) that got the tobacco companies into trouble and then the 'settlement'. Now, they just 86'd the tobacco and went straight for the chemicals ... it's more honest that way. L0L. There's probably a ton more profit in making vaping gear and chemicals than having to actually grow a product out of the ground and then going thru all that production into final form to market. I bet vaping and all it's aftermarket and co-market items is bigger than tobacco was in the '30's d0llars.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Tobacco still has to be used to extract nicotine for vaping. And added flavoring to cigarettes still gets ‘smoked’. It gets burned in a cigarette as it is lit with a ‘flame’. And continues to burn, creating smoke, not vapor.

he is smart because he does not understand it

it shows he is not a stupid person who smokes or vapes

source: 10 year pack a day smoker who quit cold turkey years and years ago and did not puss out with vaping gayness
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Post: #19
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 12:45 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-10-2019 07:54 PM)
Lol ... it IS big tobacco. Vaping is the chemicals that they added to cigarettes (sans candy flavorings) that got the tobacco companies into trouble and then the 'settlement'. Now, they just 86'd the tobacco and went straight for the chemicals ... it's more honest that way. L0L. There's probably a ton more profit in making vaping gear and chemicals than having to actually grow a product out of the ground and then going thru all that production into final form to market. I bet vaping and all it's aftermarket and co-market items is bigger than tobacco was in the '30's d0llars.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Tobacco still has to be used to extract nicotine for vaping. And added flavoring to cigarettes still gets ‘smoked’. It gets burned in a cigarette as it is lit with a ‘flame’. And continues to burn, creating smoke, not vapor.

You let your emotions run your mouth and were probably typing before you even finished reading what I wrote. You must be a vapor to get so emotional over a vice. If you were using rational/critical thought, you would understand there is no upside to ingesting unknown chemicals in 2019 - whether thru smoke, vapor or otherwise - and would put your m0ney and efforts to better use ... grasshopper.
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Felix
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Post: #20
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-11-2019 02:07 AM)
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 12:45 AM)
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Tobacco still has to be used to extract nicotine for vaping. And added flavoring to cigarettes still gets ‘smoked’. It gets burned in a cigarette as it is lit with a ‘flame’. And continues to burn, creating smoke, not vapor.

You let your emotions run your mouth and were probably typing before you even finished reading what I wrote. You must be a vapor to get so emotional over a vice. If you were using rational/critical thought, you would understand there is no upside to ingesting unknown chemicals in 2019 - whether thru smoke, vapor or otherwise - and would put your m0ney and efforts to better use ... grasshopper.

Thanks, Grandpa

I was completely rational and fully understood what you were saying. I always take my time when replying and never act out from an emotional standpoint. I do not take back what i have said. And i am not ingesting 'unknown' chemicals. I am fully aware of all ingredients in my ejuice(as i have made my own many time in the past)...

Water, Nicotine, Vegetable Glycerin, The same flavoring that is used to make candy.

Do you eat candy? Do you know what that candy is made of?

“The only thing constant is change.”

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Post: #21
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
BeenThereDoneThat  Wrote: (09-10-2019 07:15 PM)
Of course it's propaganda. It's taking far too much money away from big tabacco.
Philip Morris is crying into his 80 year old scotch.

obviously

and why take away the most popular flavor of juul (mango) from stores but you can still buy tobbaco and menthol flavor (yuk)

"Music, as far as I have seen in the world so far, is the only real magic that I know." TP
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Post: #22
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 02:57 AM)
[quote='LoP Guest' pid='2662608' dateline='1568160450']
Do you know what that candy is made of?

Of course it depends on the type - but do go on. I might be just as ignorant as you think. At least, you could pretend such. Tell me.
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Post: #23
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (09-10-2019 08:29 PM)
It's not the nicotine per se but all the additives they are putting in the juice. I don't understand why people can't vape dried tobacco.

If it doesn't have the same nicotine content, then buy some mupacho off the internet and vape that it's got 10x the nicotine content of north american tobacco

Nic salt has the same nic content without the harshness. And people do vape dried tobacco leaves. There are even devices for it that are real popular in Europe.

Anyway, any dry herb vaporizer can vape tobacco. Flavored juice is just more, interesting. And less, bland. I know a guy who even steeps his own home grown tobacco leaves for ejuice. If you are properly informed in the processes of making perfectly safe ejuice and how it works and interacts with the body, you know it is way safer than, smoke. And many reputable ejuice companies in the US and the EU let you know exactly what they use to make their juice and even give you a choice of PG/VG ratio on all flavors they provide. And the vape community is full of very intelligent and well informed individuals from all over the world and walks of life. And yes, as in anything, there are the idiots as well. Idiots will tard over anything safe(if used properly), and make it dangerous.

“The only thing constant is change.”

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Felix
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RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-11-2019 03:40 AM)
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 02:57 AM)
[quote='LoP Guest' pid='2662608' dateline='1568160450']
Do you know what that candy is made of?

Of course it depends on the type - but do go on. I might be just as ignorant as you think. At least, you could pretend such. Tell me.

Exactly, It depends on the 'type'. ;)

“The only thing constant is change.”

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Post: #25
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 03:47 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-11-2019 03:40 AM)
Of course it depends on the type - but do go on. I might be just as ignorant as you think. At least, you could pretend such. Tell me.

Exactly, It depends on the 'type'. ;)

Did you know that Hershey's Special Dark Chocolate uses GMOs in their candy? It's a type of chocolate. And, do you know what GMOs they use? No? Me neither ... I don't know. And, neither does Hershey's:

https://smartlabel.hersheys.com/00034000...0010#other

Maaybe something good? Maaybe something bad. They don't know. They don't even know if they're even an ingredient because "We can't guarantee that all ingredients are from non-GMO crops."

But, I can tell you that there are GMO ingredients in their Special Dark Chocolate bar - because if I eat it I get sick. I used to never get sick from HSDC bars. Now, my heart gets so weak it damn near stalls, I get the jitters, something happens in my liver and after a day my gut goes thru it. I have affirmed this by repeating it.

And so - in 2019 we have no idea what the products we ingest contain ... food to vapor to air. No idea. And you have no way of knowing. It may have come from China (a good bet) or anywhere else in the world and you have no idea where it went and what was done to it and how much was bought and where it went ....

You don't know what you don't know - and will never know because you have no way to find out. But I'm sure whatever you are doing is safe ... I wouldn't worry. Something is gonna kill us sooner or later. Seems like some of the vapors have met their end sooner ... and probably in a bit of consternation and disbelief over the matter.
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Post: #26
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-10-2019 07:54 PM)
BeenThereDoneThat  Wrote: (09-10-2019 07:15 PM)
Of course it's propaganda. It's taking far too much money away from big tabacco.

Lol ... it IS big tobacco. Vaping is the chemicals that they added to cigarettes (sans candy flavorings) that got the tobacco companies into trouble and then the 'settlement'. Now, they just 86'd the tobacco and went straight for the chemicals ... it's more honest that way. L0L. There's probably a ton more profit in making vaping gear and chemicals than having to actually grow a product out of the ground and then going thru all that production into final form to market. I bet vaping and all it's aftermarket and co-market items is bigger than tobacco was in the '30's d0llars.

OP,
Quit being reactive about it and realize that composition in your lungs, from companies will do no long term good.

And it makes you look like a dragon.

Compare old instrument music that is good to today's EDM crap. They can add in almost anything now to help your lungs dance to the beat, their beat to the future and your lungs thought.

It's going to your head. Don't worry about what you hear, listen to what you see.
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Felix
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Post: #27
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-11-2019 05:38 AM)
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 03:47 AM)
Exactly, It depends on the 'type'. ;)

Did you know that Hershey's Special Dark Chocolate uses GMOs in their candy? It's a type of chocolate. And, do you know what GMOs they use? No? Me neither ... I don't know. And, neither does Hershey's:

https://smartlabel.hersheys.com/00034000...0010#other

Maaybe something good? Maaybe something bad. They don't know. They don't even know if they're even an ingredient because "We can't guarantee that all ingredients are from non-GMO crops."

But, I can tell you that there are GMO ingredients in their Special Dark Chocolate bar - because if I eat it I get sick. I used to never get sick from HSDC bars. Now, my heart gets so weak it damn near stalls, I get the jitters, something happens in my liver and after a day my gut goes thru it. I have affirmed this by repeating it.

And so - in 2019 we have no idea what the products we ingest contain ... food to vapor to air. No idea. And you have no way of knowing. It may have come from China (a good bet) or anywhere else in the world and you have no idea where it went and what was done to it and how much was bought and where it went ....

You don't know what you don't know - and will never know because you have no way to find out. But I'm sure whatever you are doing is safe ... I wouldn't worry. Something is gonna kill us sooner or later. Seems like some of the vapors have met their end sooner ... and probably in a bit of consternation and disbelief over the matter.

Everything is a risk. All we can do is make the most informed decision as possible. My point is, vaping is no more dangerous than, eating that candy bar. Or participating in anything else in this world. Choose wisely. You do you and i'll do me. But don't infringe on my freedom to choose. Unless, of course, what i am doing is directly effecting you. Because then, we are in direct conflict with each other. Witch would, in that case, require a resolution. Between me and you. There is wisdom in this statement.

So...

How far can you be allowed to go in trying to protect the well being of others, before you start to infringe on their right to, choose?

“The only thing constant is change.”

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Post: #28
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 05:49 AM)
But don't infringe on my freedom to choose.

What would Mark Renton say?

Felix  Wrote: (09-11-2019 05:49 AM)
How far can you be allowed to go in trying to protect the well being of others ...

I wouldn't get out of my comfy chair ... have at it. It's all you, baby.
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Post: #29
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-10-2019 09:46 PM)
How many millions of people vape? Precisely six people have died, and there were probably extenuating circumstances in those cases.

Yeah, one battery blew up in the guys mouth and severed his carotid artery (what a blowhard)

Reminds me of the one where the woman was listening to headphones while charging her phone and there was a power surge in her shitty apartment or whatever.

Lot's of people.. everyones gotta die - let me count thy ways..
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Post: #30
RE: Attack on vaping, propaganda
Vaping tobacco appears to leave no odor of smoke around the person .

The medical establishment has had a big push to stop smoking.Also vaping has gone mainstream.
These are facts I think most people will agree on.

This plays well into the claws of the reptillians.

Nicotine is an insecticide ,reptillians are insectoids.
This is their Achilles heel.

Native American peace pipe ceremony was for people to sit in a circle and smoke tobacco.
This was an exclusionary rite which enabled humans to converse without reptillians present.
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