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Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis
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RE: Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-01-2019 01:52 AM)
Did you know there are several planets in our solar system experiencing climate change? Planet Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto are all undergoing global warming suddenly at the same time. Clearly the cause of climate change is far greater than cow farts and car exhaust.

Exactly! We haven't even come close to causing the kind of changes that huge volcanoes typically cause.
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Treebeard  Wrote: (12-01-2019 01:35 AM)
What we really need is a more holistic transportation system.
Someday... after we're all dead.

It's a bit late to fix it.

We used to develop along waterways, and had we simply installed mass transit rail and streetcars along those we'd be in pretty good shape with transit.

Unfortunately the car made it desirable to grid it out in mile squares then do stupid things like....

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Unincorporated Human  Wrote: (12-01-2019 11:15 AM)
If there were a climate crisis, I might agree that more trees might help. I like trees.

Well it's not going to harm anybody.

And since the fake "consensus" is that carbon is bad, you might consider pressing this idea to avoid the carbonazis other "solutions."

While arguing back that science isn't about consensus.

The consensus was that the sun revolved around the Earth until better information was available.

By stating humans have no effect over the environment at all you're setting us up for draconian measures.

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Analyzing trees.

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RE: Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis
The heat coming from space goes in at the Poles far more than the rest of Earth .The Earth is heating up from the inside .That is why we are having earthquakes and volcanoes waking up .

The thing is we are also coming out of a mini ice age .In Roman time the water levels around Britain were higher than now and we could grow grapes up as far as the Midlands in the Middle Ages .The monks grew them .We then got much colder to the point where the Thames froze and was so frozen they had fairs on it .

We are coming out of the mini ice age but as the Sun has gone into a solar minimum,it ‘s heat is not so great .

It takes a time for all the ice on the Earth to melt which uses up heat .We are still flooding in places that were historically wet places ,due to the extra rain .

When all the ice at the Poles , tundra and glaciers has melted then we will heat more rapidly and there will be more rainfall .

Ice takes up more space than water but when it melts it goes into the weather systems .

Someone on the radio said they thought the level of the sea will go up 11 feet .

Planting trees is good . With luck the increase rainfall will fall on the deserts .Somewhere in the Middle East desert countries flooded a while back .

Years ago when I was saying we should green the deserts someone had a way to do this , another said that some rich egotistical Arab had his name written in the desert so it could be read from space . Such a thing is man ...
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mind-blowing potential = zip zilch nada
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RE: Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (11-30-2019 07:08 PM)
We can and do effect climate.

But CO2 IMO isn't the primary driver.

The Great Plains in the USA didn't exist until Native Americans created it by slashing and burning the trees.

They did it in order to graze and locate game.

It changed the climate, and it improved the soil because the grazing animals built up layers of decaying grass and dung, which is why it's the breadbasket now.

But it also effected climate and the jet stream.

We don't have to use it the way we do now.

In the SouthEast the corn farmers grew their crops on freshly cut timberland.

It grew better there, because it was less weedy and the trees act as pumps for nutrients. Easier to get a good crop on fresh cut timberland than to till the soil on last year's cropland. They didn't have horses or oxen to pull a plow.

The way we use it now, we aren't replenishing minerals we need in the food we grow.

Planting trees can do that, if we use hugel kultur.

The great Plains were not formed by natives or anybody else, slashing and burning forests.

They formed naturally not because of humans. Here read up:

How the Great Plains Were Formed

"The Great Plains of the United States lie between Canada and Mexico to the north and south and between the Rocky Mountains and the Central Lowland to the west and east. The Great Plains slope from 7,000 feet above sea level in the Rocky Mountains down to about 2,000 feet on the west edge of the Central Lowland region. The Great Plains form the western portion of a larger geologic region called the Interior Plains Province. This semi-arid, nearly treeless plateau covered with shortgrass may appear relatively flat and featureless, but appearances can be very deceiving.

Plain Landform
While the plain landform can form in several different ways, a plain definition (no pun intended) from the National Geographic Society states that a plain is "a broad area of relatively flat land." Plains cover over a third of the Earth's land surface and exist on every continent, at the bottom of oceans and even on other planets. Examples of plains include grasslands like the prairies of North America, steppes of Asia and eastern Europe, and savannahs of tropical Africa, South America, southern North America and Australia. Mexico's Tabasco Plain is forested while parts of the Sahara Desert are also plains.

Formation of Plains
These flat plains almost all result, directly or indirectly, from erosion. As mountains and hills erode, gravity combined with water and ice carry the sediments downhill, depositing layer after layer to form plains. Rivers form plains through related processes. As rivers erode rock and soil, they smooth and flatten the land they pass through. As rivers flood, they deposit the sediments they carry, layer upon layer, to form flood plains. When rivers carry their sediment load into the ocean, they deposit the sediments as they slowly merge into the sea. When the river sediments build up enough, they can rise above sea level. Combined with runoff from hills and mountains, these sediments form coastal plains.


Abyssal plains form on the ocean floor when sediments and ooze settle and accumulate on the bottom of the ocean over long periods of time. Extensive lava flows also may form plains, like the Columbia Plateau. Plateaus are flat areas elevated above the surrounding area. The largest plateau in the world is the Tibetan Plateau in central Asia.

Formation of the Great Plains
The Great Plains began over a billion years ago, during the Precambrian Era, when several small continents joined together to form the core of what would become North America. Despite the subsequent mountain-building along the east and west edges of the developing continent, the central interior plain stayed relatively flat and stable through the Paleozoic and Mesozoic Eras. Erosion from the mountains to the east and west of the plain carried sediments down into the plain.

Most of that time the plain remained above sea level, but for a time during the Jurassic Period of the Mesozoic Era, the shallow Sundance Sea covered a large portion of the interior plain. Rising sea levels during the Cretaceous Period near the end of the Mesozoic Era again flooded the interior plain. Besides the continued deposition of sediments, many dinosaur bones were washed into or sank into the sediments of these shallow inland seas. The fossils found in these sedimentary rocks provide glimpses into the time when dinosaurs and other animals roamed across the Great Plains.

After the end of the Mesozoic, the sea retreated again, and erosion from the east and west, especially the Rocky Mountains to the west, continued to provide sediments to the Great Plains. From the Eocene on, sediments continued to deposit across the northern interior plains. Between 20 and 30 million years ago, the deposition extended from the northern Great Plains south as far as modern Texas. 10 million years of deposition eventually developed into the Ogallala Formation, which now serves as a major aquifer for the region.

During the Pleistocene Epoch, great ice sheets developed and covered much of North America. The ice smoothed and flattened the eastern portion of the interior plain, mostly between the Missouri and Ohio Rivers. The eastern edge of the Great Plains is located roughly along this glacially smoothed area."

https://sciencing.com/great-plains-were-...60966.html

Great Plains Wiki

"The Great Plains (sometimes simply "the Plains") is a broad expanse of flat land (a plain), much of it covered in prairie, steppe, and grassland, located in the United States and Canada. It lies west of the Mississippi River tallgrass prairie in the United States and east of the Rocky Mountains in the U.S. and Canada. It embraces:

The entirety of Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota
Parts of Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, and Wyoming
The southern portions of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba
The region is known for supporting extensive cattle ranching and dry farming. The Canadian portion of the Plains is known as the Canadian Prairies. It covers much of Alberta and southern Saskatchewan, and a narrow band of southern Manitoba."

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"During the Cenozoic era, specifically about 25 million years ago during the Miocene and Pliocene epochs, the continental climate became favorable to the evolution of grasslands. Existing forest biomes declined and grasslands became much more widespread. The grasslands provided a new niche for mammals, including many ungulates and glires, that switched from browsing diets to grazing diets. Traditionally, the spread of grasslands and the development of grazers have been strongly linked. However, an examination of mammalian teeth suggests that it is the open, gritty habitat and not the grass itself which is linked to diet changes in mammals, giving rise to the "grit, not grass" hypothesis.[8]

Paleontological finds in the area have yielded bones of mammoths, saber-toothed cats and other ancient animals,[9] as well as dozens of other megafauna (large animals over 100 lb [45 kg]) – such as giant sloths, horses, mastodons, and American lion – that dominated the area of the ancient Great Plains for thousands to millions of years. The vast majority of these animals became extinct in North America at the end of the Pleistocene (around 13,000 years ago)"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains

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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (11-30-2019 05:42 PM)
Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis

Research shows a trillion trees could be planted to capture huge amount of carbon dioxide

Planting billions of trees across the world is one of the biggest and cheapest ways of taking CO2 out of the atmosphere to tackle the climate crisis, according to scientists, who have made the first calculation of how many more trees could be planted without encroaching on crop land or urban areas.

As trees grow, they absorb and store the carbon dioxide emissions that are driving global heating. New research estimates that a worldwide planting programme could remove two-thirds of all the emissions from human activities that remain in the atmosphere today, a figure the scientists describe as “mind-blowing”.

The analysis found there are 1.7bn hectares of treeless land on which 1.2tn native tree saplings would naturally grow. That area is about 11% of all land and equivalent to the size of the US and China combined. Tropical areas could have 100% tree cover, while others would be more sparsely covered, meaning that on average about half the area would be under tree canopy.

The scientists specifically excluded all fields used to grow crops and urban areas from their analysis. But they did include grazing land, on which the researchers say a few trees can also benefit sheep and cattle.

“This new quantitative evaluation shows [forest] restoration isn’t just one of our climate change solutions, it is overwhelmingly the top one,” said Prof Tom Crowther at the Swiss university ETH Zürich, who led the research. “What blows my mind is the scale. I thought restoration would be in the top 10, but it is overwhelmingly more powerful than all of the other climate change solutions proposed.”...

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6448/76

Even if you don't believe CO2 is causing climate change, this solution has many benefits, and the alternatives being rammed at us have many drawbacks.

I don't believe in man-made global warming but I do believe in stopping pollution and cleaning the air in sensible ways.

I'm all for planting trees because they look nice and replace the wilderness we've destroyed over the centuries BUT.....global warmers, please tell me how planting trees solves your global warming problem - permanently?

1. Trees capture C02
2, Trees die and release the C02 they captured i.e. they only store carbon for a few decades.
3. When they start dying , more trees have to be planted, not only to capture the C02 man has supposedly produces but now they have to capture the C02 the dying trees release.

This is just a giant tree-planting ponzy scheme. This is a never-ending battle that demands more and more trees need to be planted as each generation of trees die.

How does this solve your global warming problem?
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If join the Arbor Day Foundation ($10) they will send you ten "free" trees.

Yeah I know...still a buck a tree is a good deal.

https://www.arborday.org/
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Years and years ago I read on the internet that the north eastern states in American look as though they were created by a neutron bomb .

It was well before the let’s make up stories saga .

Occasionally it frets me when I think of it .

Do you think it is true ?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-30-2019 05:57 PM)
There is no climate crisis other than the one that is constantly changing since birth.

Try Globalist polluters not fake global warmings
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-03-2019 12:34 AM)
I don't believe in man-made global warming but I do believe in stopping pollution and cleaning the air in sensible ways.

I'm all for planting trees because they look nice and replace the wilderness we've destroyed over the centuries BUT.....global warmers, please tell me how planting trees solves your global warming problem - permanently?

1. Trees capture C02
2, Trees die and release the C02 they captured i.e. they only store carbon for a few decades.
3. When they start dying , more trees have to be planted, not only to capture the C02 man has supposedly produces but now they have to capture the C02 the dying trees release.

This is just a giant tree-planting ponzy scheme. This is a never-ending battle that demands more and more trees need to be planted as each generation of trees die.

How does this solve your global warming problem?

I'm not really a global warmist.

You bury them after they die, and grow more trees and food on top.

https://permies.com/f/117/hugelkultur

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