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If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
JudgeMeNot
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Post: #31
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
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if your mindset is of the executioner the answer is easy

if your mindset is of the persecuted the answer is different

get yer mind and heart right or we all hang
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RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
JudgeMeNot  Wrote: (12-02-2019 08:00 PM)
if your mindset is of the executioner the answer is easy

if your mindset is of the persecuted the answer is different

get yer mind and heart right or we all hang

Nonsense... in a civilized society with the technology we have at hand, Capital Punishment must be re-evaluated , especially in a failing criminal justice system like in Europe and the UK. You cannot import hand-to-mouth 3rd world cultures into a progressive western system/culture and not expect total anarchy. in a system made by an Historically local working-class first world population. Base fear is how one controls newly imported primitive cultures when integrating them into an advanced social system.

“Moths, and all sorts of ugly creatures," replied Estella, with a glance towards him, "hover about a lighted candle. Can the candle help it?”
― Charles Dickens
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Post: #33
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
Change it, for unencouragable (incorrigible), criminals , to deportation, to nations which have a compatible heritage to the individual. So that the nation they end up in, will be reguarded as their own. And their fellow citizens, members of their own tribe.
These nations would be more experienced, in dealing with the temperament of these individuals.
This is why, different nations tend to have different customs of law, and punishment. The laws are shaped by, and for, people of similar heritage and temperament
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This idea of deportation, threatens those who identify with the criminals, and want to rule our nation, with their fellows.
But, maybe it can be introduced at first, as a voluntary alternative to some sentences

Before Deportation/Exile, could ever help. We would, Have, to have a way to prevent exiled criminals from returning.
This would also fortunately be a way from preventing terrorists, infiltrators, etc., who have not yet been apprehended for crimes within the nation, to be able to gain entry in the first place.

It is a chalange to identify an exile, terrorist, etc.. It may be a chalange to find appropriate nations, that are willing to accept criminal deportees.

It would be a far greater chalange, to deal with dedicated criminals who view the citizens of our nation to be an enemy, to loot, and, plunder.
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Post: #34
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
Bring back insane asylums. Too many crazies walking the streets right now that usually end up in prison. Bring back insane asylums, and increase mental health screenings, and mental health professionals.

Fix the laws. Clean up the criminal justice system. Decriminalize minor infractions of the law. Issue citations and court appearance tickets. Make room for murderers, rapists, and violent criminals like armed robbery, and armed assault. Too many federal, and state laws. Too many county, and town laws, and ordinances. Get rid of some laws.

I can't drive 55.
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RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
James  Wrote: (12-02-2019 08:52 PM)
JudgeMeNot  Wrote: (12-02-2019 08:00 PM)
if your mindset is of the executioner the answer is easy

if your mindset is of the persecuted the answer is different

get yer mind and heart right or we all hang

Nonsense... in a civilized society with the technology we have at hand, Capital Punishment must be re-evaluated , especially in a failing criminal justice system like in Europe and the UK. You cannot import hand-to-mouth 3rd world cultures into a progressive western system/culture and not expect total anarchy. in a system made by an Historically local working-class first world population. Base fear is how one controls newly imported primitive cultures when integrating them into an advanced social system.

Case in point is Saudi Arabia, Israel and China. None of the massive crime problems we see in Europe, UK and even the US. Poland as well if they can still keep the international cultural Marxists out of their national affairs.

“Moths, and all sorts of ugly creatures," replied Estella, with a glance towards him, "hover about a lighted candle. Can the candle help it?”
― Charles Dickens
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Post: #36
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
Do away with long sentences of anything beyond six years, bring back capital punishment, anyone who would be given a long sentence would simply be given death instead. For profit/private prisons would all be abolished. No second chances in terms of sentences of four years duration or longer, get sent to prison twice for four to six years each time would result in capital punishment. Capital punishments to be carried out immediately after sentencing.
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RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
James  Wrote: (12-02-2019 09:07 PM)
James  Wrote: (12-02-2019 08:52 PM)
Nonsense... in a civilized society with the technology we have at hand, Capital Punishment must be re-evaluated , especially in a failing criminal justice system like in Europe and the UK. You cannot import hand-to-mouth 3rd world cultures into a progressive western system/culture and not expect total anarchy. in a system made by an Historically local working-class first world population. Base fear is how one controls newly imported primitive cultures when integrating them into an advanced social system.

Case in point is Saudi Arabia, Israel and China. None of the massive crime problems we see in Europe, UK and even the US. Poland as well if they can still keep the international cultural Marxists out of their national affairs.

Almost forgot North Korea in my assessment of how some 3rd world countries successfully deal with Public crime....North Korea has literally zero public crime. Why does Cambridge University not send their criminology students there to learn how to effectively deal with the current local UK crime problem, instead of London Bridge?

“Moths, and all sorts of ugly creatures," replied Estella, with a glance towards him, "hover about a lighted candle. Can the candle help it?”
― Charles Dickens
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RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
seasnake  Wrote: (12-02-2019 09:16 PM)
Do away with long sentences of anything beyond six years, bring back capital punishment, anyone who would be given a long sentence would simply be given death instead. For profit/private prisons would all be abolished. No second chances in terms of sentences of four years duration or longer, get sent to prison twice for four to six years each time would result in capital punishment. Capital punishments to be carried out immediately after sentencing.

It looks like the only time this might become a viable option is when Usman Khan and Associates actually take out the London Stock exchange or manage to do successfully what Guy Fawkes failed at.

“Moths, and all sorts of ugly creatures," replied Estella, with a glance towards him, "hover about a lighted candle. Can the candle help it?”
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Post: #39
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
Maybe the judges and politicians need to actually go to prison for a stay to see how it is working .

They have so many holidays they have plenty of free time .

I think they need to go into troubled areas too ...to stay for a few weeks without disclosing who they are .

I know some are well known ...but not all .

So the thing is they do not know what it is like to have drug addict neighbours who create havoc .Or out of control children who are pests .Or other horror story people .

I was told someone’s mother living in London ,most probably more than sixty ,was given a letter about how to dress by some muslims living in the street .Really ? It is very threatening if you are living there alone .
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RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
I fotgot to mention, LEGALISE FREEDOM! Fskepftr

Don't put innocent people in prison, for dietary choices. Or other uses of personal property between parties in agreement.
Use of "substances"?
Having sex, and exchanging money?
Playing cards, and exchanging money?

Let the government act on the behalf of a Victim
The government may have to be authorized, to act on the behalf of a victim, who cannot testify. (dead, not in their 'well informed right mind', threatened by retribution, what ever.)
But when the supposed victim, (the purchaser/recipient, of sex, cannabis, whatever) testifies there is no crime. What is the crime?
What about the guy who looses,the poker game? Scratchinghead

This is idealistic. And there can be, maybe, should be, some inforced customs, on common property. 1dunno1
No fuXing in the city park/playground? No heroin? No shirts, no shoes?
What ever. Its hard to get this right, maybe.
Have laws in an area, that is populated by people who agree on the laws.
Have diferent places, for different people, with different laws?
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Post: #41
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
Violent offenders, after serving their sentences and completing rehabilitation and educational programs, will wear tracking devices for long periods of time. After a second offense they wear it for the rest of their lives.

Repeat violent offenders on their third offense never get out of prison and they are made to work to support their every need for the remainder of their days, or choose not to and suffer the consequences, all of which they created.


Non-violent offenders are dealt with in a different system with a different set of rules and rewards.
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Post: #42
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
That is a good idea a two track system defined by violence .

I expect taking all their money away would stop fraudsters from starting .

What I think happens with the invaders is they do something that they would be punished for at home ...We do nothing ...So they get bolder and bolder ...

I suspect we need to go Singapore style for a while .

We have mostly all been programmed but they have not ...

The ISIS are different and really do need to be executed .They have done absolutely vile things .The burka ladies included .Evil is the word for them .

The thing about the Middle East people is they lie ....People are grumbling about Boris lying ..He is part Turkish .It is par for the course ...The danger is he goes feral and dictator like ...That is what they do ..Just saying .
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RIP Saskia and Jack...I'm not an educated person but I feel that the entire UK System failed you. What words for your Family...? I can't find them.

“Moths, and all sorts of ugly creatures," replied Estella, with a glance towards him, "hover about a lighted candle. Can the candle help it?”
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I feel very sorry for them too.

Sadly what they were trying to do was futile .

It is biology ....predators will be predators ...
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Post: #45
RE: If You could, How would you Reform Your Prison Sytem?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2019 10:07 PM)
That is a good idea a two track system defined by violence .

I expect taking all their money away would stop fraudsters from starting .

What I think happens with the invaders is they do something that they would be punished for at home ...We do nothing ...So they get bolder and bolder ...

I suspect we need to go Singapore style for a while .

We have mostly all been programmed but they have not ...

The ISIS are different and really do need to be executed .They have done absolutely vile things .The burka ladies included .Evil is the word for them .

The thing about the Middle East people is they lie ....People are grumbling about Boris lying ..He is part Turkish .It is par for the course ...The danger is he goes feral and dictator like ...That is what they do ..Just saying .


Yeah, separate systems for violent offenders with very strict rules and control mechanisms would be of great benefit to society. It's typically the violent crimes which do the most harm to individuals, families and society in general.

And yeah, hitting the white-collar criminals where it hurts the most, in their pockets, would be the most effective deterrent. When caught and convicted, all assets are forfeited, including those "protected" in shell companies or held offshore.

Part of the white-collar criminals' sentences should involve utilizing their talents and time on a voluntary basis to somehow give back to society what they've taken, and/or perhaps create a crime tax bracket they're moved into for a period upon release from a halfway house style place where they'd serve out their probation/sentence, where they pay money back directly to society for a period of years.

I have some ideas on capital punishment as well; I believe the worst violent offenders cannot be rehabilitated (at this time) and therefore should be permanently removed from society and, again, made to work to support their existence and give back to society with their excess production. If they choose not to directly pay back for the choices they made they're free to choose to OD on fentanyl or whatever and check out. They made the choice to kill, rape or whatever and they can make the choice to either give back and support themselves or to check out and maybe try again next time..
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