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Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
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RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
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Bronco Bama  Wrote: (03-12-2018 07:41 AM)
The gun nuts claim that a determined enough shooter will obtain a gun no matter what, which is true, but by making them difficult to get, you definitely decrease the overall number of mass shooters. This is evident when you look at other developed nations that have since banned assault rifles, like Australia and the UK. The number of mass shootings from assault rifles per 1,000 people in AUS and the UK is tiny compared to the U.S.

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Post: #18
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Banning gun free zones(where mass shootings occur)will decrease mass shootings...woot
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I'm glad the OP anti gun nut made this thread.

I haven't seen any threads on this yet.

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Post: #20
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Where are all the attacks where only a handful of people have been killed by BOLT ACTION rifles ? There are none, because "they" are concentrating on getting the public disarmed or AR15's and AK47's !

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Post: #21
RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
Bronco Bama  Wrote: (03-12-2018 07:41 AM)
The gun nuts claim that a determined enough shooter will obtain a gun no matter what, which is true, but by making them difficult to get, you definitely decrease the overall number of mass shooters. This is evident when you look at other developed nations that have since banned assault rifles, like Australia and the UK. The number of mass shootings from assault rifles per 1,000 people in AUS and the UK is tiny compared to the U.S.

ya accept people walk right into army barracks and take weapons lol....

not to mention you cant ban what the army is using...... which means they will be in the country....


we have huge gangs in this country "supposedly" drug money is huge money even if its cheap crap like synthetics yet they cant afford to find any loop holes getting these awesome bad ass weapons??


how come we don't hear about bloods and cypts going at with these weapons?

how come ms13 hasn't turned up anywhere with these weapons?

yet somehow they cant get their hands on assault rifles?

somehow some gang hasn't shot up an entire neighborhood with one of these assault rifles?

come on people wake the f*#k up lol.

but 14-18 year olds in high school have no problems? oh and flak armor lets not forget flak armor...lol

the only reason they want these specific guns is because they shoot far accurate and multiple times...

so when U>N trucks show up to reunite you with your kids at a reunification camp lol during marshall law

since they will be held hostage with the thugs we install at school for their protections...

pistols vs assault rifle....good luck leading that defense
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Post: #22
RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (03-12-2018 09:46 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-12-2018 08:00 AM)
Bronco is prolly the only idiot on LOP that believes all these shootings were legit !

How does that statement support or oppose the idea that less assault weapons in society in the hands of the general public make mass killings with these weapons less likely?

What real point is there to continuing to try and argue every fkn position with retarded fallacy?

you do the opposing argument no favors by using bandwagon appeals to bias and attacking the OP's proposition with tu quoque and ad hom.


what you basically say when you do this is :
I have got nothing.
but you are wrong.

He starts to express his 'position' or 'query' or whatever you want to call it with an insult against the people he's wanting an answer from.

Quote:The gun nuts

So 'you gun nuts' gun control advocates have nothing.

There really isn't any point in talking to any of you because you've all made your disdain well known. You do not want an answer, you want an opportunity to preach at someone.

This is probably the tenth (that I've seen) nearly identical thread on this forum in the past few weeks. Every one starts with an ad hom and no facts need be entered because it's not information that you want but an excuse to attack those who hold a contrary view.

If it were actual information such as the massive failure of the school, police and FBI to follow the rules and laws that would have taken Cruz out of circulation long enough to have him show up on a background check thanks to the Promise Program ignoring everything he did until he shot up a school then we wouldn't really be having this conversation. None of that is 'controversial' considering it's all in the mainstream media. Everyone admits to what went wrong with no one reporting any of this kid's multiple crimes so that the Promise terms could be met and those grant checks could be cashed.

The conversation isn't framed that way of course. It's the scary gun's fault not the people in Broward County and the FBI that failed to do their jobs so that they could buy some fancy new bling to show off.

We'd be moving on to how we could harden our schools and provide actual safety for children from the dangerous and insane out there.

Instead we are left to suffer through the Nth thread started and soon to be abandoned because it doesn't go the way you want about 'der skerrie goons' and how best to grab them all from people you disagree with.
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RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
So you see ,it's just pure propaganda when you have to rely on this loop of constant logically fallacious arguments..

You do realize this?


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which means you must accuse me of being the propagandist..
which means total denial of course to core aspects of the proposition and the inability to offer anything by way of argument that isn't based on fallacy.

how can something that needs objective reasoning to assess the factors and variables involved be achieved if it can only be reasoned with biased subjectivity constantly debated with emotional cues?

This is the only answer to defending extreme positions... that is why
come back into the moderate and find a middle ground and stop being fkn mindless sheep.
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RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-12-2018 10:59 AM)
So 'you gun nuts' gun control advocates have nothing.

well you are quite correct in saying that is a logically faulty way to start an argument.. we have all been guilty of that from time to time.

in anticipation of the only responses to certain topics is a big factor for this vapid framing of a proposition.., the push to extremes works quite well this way , wouldn't you say?

that said.. it doesn't negate from the crux of the topic.

and that is; less publicly owned assault weapons leads to less mass shooting deaths and even I am going to add, the likelihood of such undertakings by individuals being viable.

possible argument
as a situation/event that did terrorize and kill many and could of been much much worse as opposed to

omg.. they are all staged with paid actors,you moron !
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Post: #25
RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
NRA members who have committed a mass shooting?

Zero.

Percentage of mass shooting events that happened in what could be considered a gun free zone since 1950?

98%

https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/more-m...shootings/

Antidepressants and violence?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...olence.php

All of this has been posted. Repeatedly.

Actual facts that can be used to build a conversation from. Ignored repeatedly by AC and BB in their rush to ad hom firearm owners and post stupid memes.
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RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-12-2018 11:12 AM)
NRA members who have committed a mass shooting?

Zero.

Percentage of mass shooting events that happened in what could be considered a gun free zone since 1950?

98%

https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/more-m...shootings/

Antidepressants and violence?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...olence.php

All of this has been posted. Repeatedly.

Actual facts that can be used to build a conversation from. Ignored repeatedly by AC and BB in their rush to ad hom firearm owners and post stupid memes.

how does any of that say anything about the public availability of military grade weapons versus mass shooting frequency?

Does the gun free zone argument do anything but support that these shooters went to kill vulnerable soft targets in their planning of these mass killing events ?

How many of them also carried a sidearm to use on themselves or perhaps in a final shootout with the police?
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and will increase bombings.
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (03-12-2018 11:11 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-12-2018 10:59 AM)
So 'you gun nuts' gun control advocates have nothing.

well you are quite correct in saying that is a logically faulty way to start an argument.. we have all been guilty of that from time to time.

in anticipation of the only responses to certain topics is a big factor for this vapid framing of a proposition.., the push to extremes works quite well this way , wouldn't you say?

that said.. it doesn't negate from the crux of the topic.

and that is; less publicly owned assault weapons leads to less mass shooting deaths and even I am going to add, the likelihood of such undertakings by individuals being viable.

possible argument
as a situation/event that did terrorize and kill many and could of been much much worse as opposed to

omg.. they are all staged with paid actors,you moron !

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 633,842
Cancer: 595,930
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
Diabetes: 79,535
Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 49,959
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193

Firearms only make the top ten if you include suicide as a factor. Someone who is suicidal will find a way. Personal experience with a cousin but that won't interest you because it doesn't advance your argument and can't be verified without me Doxxing myself.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/201...0-2014.xls

Weapons 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014

Rifles 367 332 298 285 248
Blunt objects 549 502 522 428 435
Knives 1,732 1,716 1,604 1,490 1,567
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Post: #29
RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
OK
The US is not the UK or Australia.. that is a very valid part of any argument against why how any implementation of the eradication of military weapons would be impossible... I can see that as a non fallacious proposition.

I think that does lend a good argument for restriction to people with medication as per one of your other points above.
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RE: Banning Assault Rifles Will Decrease Mass Shootings
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (03-12-2018 11:23 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-12-2018 11:12 AM)
NRA members who have committed a mass shooting?

Zero.

Percentage of mass shooting events that happened in what could be considered a gun free zone since 1950?

98%

https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/more-m...shootings/

Antidepressants and violence?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...olence.php

All of this has been posted. Repeatedly.

Actual facts that can be used to build a conversation from. Ignored repeatedly by AC and BB in their rush to ad hom firearm owners and post stupid memes.

how does any of that say anything about the public availability of military grade weapons versus mass shooting frequency?

Does the gun free zone argument do anything but support that these shooters went to kill vulnerable soft targets in their planning of these mass killing events ?

How many of them also carried a sidearm to use on themselves or perhaps in a final shootout with the police?

what do our nation's court houses look like? Halls of power such as a capital building? Police stations? Why don't we protect our kids half as well? Why do control freaks stand in the way of actually doing something instead of using this as a talking point to take more Rights from people?

Hollywood had 500 armed guards patrolling the streets to protect a bunch of narcissists patting themselves on the back at the Oscars while preaching at people like us about not having guns. A quarter of them probably have CC licenses and were also carrying that night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_in...med_Forces

In active service (some branches or limited roles)

M16A4 (5.56×45mm NATO) (USMC, US Army)[17]
M16A3 (5.56×45mm NATO) (USN SEALs and USN Seabees)
M16A2 (5.56×45mm NATO) (USAF, USCG, and US Army Training/Reserve/National Guard)
M27 IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifle) (5.56×45mm NATO) (USMC Automatic Rifleman)
M38 SDMR (Squad Designated Marksman Rifle) (5.56×45mm NATO) (USMC Designated Marksmen)
HK417 (7.62×51mm NATO) (USSOCOM)
Mk 17 Mod 0 (7.62×51mm NATO) (USSOCOM)
Mk 14 EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle) (7.62×51mm NATO) (USCG, US Army, USAF Designated Marksmen/EOD)
M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle (7.62 NATO) (USMC Designated Marksmen/Scout Snipers)

I don't see any of these.

So far all I've seen is a control freak ignoring actual data to push an agenda.
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