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What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
Spiddy
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Post: #16
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:09 AM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:04 AM)
The stupid public also assume that Russia wants it's traitors dead.
How dumb is that?

Well Yeah, the stupid public doesn't realize that Russia had plenty of opportunities to eliminate its traitors without causing a international fùcking outrage.

Lol.
They don't need to give f*ck one about the outrage.
It's not as if expelling an ambassador is the end of the world.
They just want to send a public message to other would be traitors.



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


H.L. Mencken 1920.
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Post: #17
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
What do nerve agents do and how hard are they to make?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018...ei-skripal

"The ingredients for the lethal substances apparently involved in the poisoning of Sergei Skripal are easy to obtain and are usually absorbed quickly through the skin or inhalation"


Nerve agents are not hard to make in principle, but in practice it takes specialised facilities and training to mix the substances safely. The raw materials themselves are inexpensive and generally not hard to obtain, but the lethality of the agents means they tend to be manufactured in dedicated labs. The main five nerve agents are Tabun, which is also known as GA and is the easiest to make, Sarin, Soman, GF and VX.


It Is not like you can mix this easly
One mistake and you are dead
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Post: #18
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
Spiddy  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:16 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:09 AM)
Well Yeah, the stupid public doesn't realize that Russia had plenty of opportunities to eliminate its traitors without causing a international fùcking outrage.

Lol.
They don't need to give f*ck one about the outrage.
It's not as if expelling an ambassador is the end of the world.
They just want to send a message to other would be traitors.

Doubtful.

Plenty of ways to send a message without using the one thing guaranteed to sway worldwide public opinion of Russia and Putin with an election coming up and the World Cup. The normies get all sensitive about chemical weapons. Why not wait for 6 months or whatever to get this guy they could've got at any time in the last few years? Why now and why this way?

Makes no sense, man. You're a smart guy.. apply Occam's Razor to it.

The usual warmongers are not happy about Russia's stance in the middle east nor about the latest d*ck-waving of hypersonic missiles, etc. Certain intelligence has many reasons to turn public opinion on Russia right now and Russia has ZERO reasons to turn public opinion on itself right now..
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Post: #19
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:23 AM)
What do nerve agents do and how hard are they to make?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018...ei-skripal

"The ingredients for the lethal substances apparently involved in the poisoning of Sergei Skripal are easy to obtain and are usually absorbed quickly through the skin or inhalation"


Nerve agents are not hard to make in principle, but in practice it takes specialised facilities and training to mix the substances safely. The raw materials themselves are inexpensive and generally not hard to obtain, but the lethality of the agents means they tend to be manufactured in dedicated labs. The main five nerve agents are Tabun, which is also known as GA and is the easiest to make, Sarin, Soman, GF and VX.


It Is not like you can mix this easly
One mistake and you are dead

Of course not. Do you think deep intelligence operatives are fùcking amateurs? Anon
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Spiddy
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Post: #20
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:25 AM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:16 AM)
Lol.
They don't need to give f*ck one about the outrage.
It's not as if expelling an ambassador is the end of the world.
They just want to send a message to other would be traitors.

Doubtful.

Plenty of ways to send a message without using the one thing guaranteed to sway worldwide public opinion of Russia and Putin with an election coming up and the World Cup. The normies get all sensitive about chemical weapons. Why not wait for 6 months or whatever to get this guy they could've got at any time in the last few years? Why now and why this way?

Makes no sense, man. You're a smart guy.. apply Occam's Razor to it.

The usual warmongers are not happy about Russia's stance in the middle east nor about the latest d*ck-waving of hypersonic missiles, etc. Certain intelligence has many reasons to turn public opinion on Russia right now and Russia has ZERO reasons to turn public opinion on itself right now..

Occam's razor tells me that Russia don't need to care.
What is Occam telling you?



“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”


H.L. Mencken 1920.
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LoP Guest
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Post: #21
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
Spiddy  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:28 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:25 AM)
Doubtful.

Plenty of ways to send a message without using the one thing guaranteed to sway worldwide public opinion of Russia and Putin with an election coming up and the World Cup. The normies get all sensitive about chemical weapons. Why not wait for 6 months or whatever to get this guy they could've got at any time in the last few years? Why now and why this way?

Makes no sense, man. You're a smart guy.. apply Occam's Razor to it.

The usual warmongers are not happy about Russia's stance in the middle east nor about the latest d*ck-waving of hypersonic missiles, etc. Certain intelligence has many reasons to turn public opinion on Russia right now and Russia has ZERO reasons to turn public opinion on itself right now..

Occam's razor tells me that Russia don't need to care.
What is Occam telling you?

Read what I wrote again chuckle

Apparently you're not too keen on geopolitics?

You have to apply the Razor with context..
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Post: #22
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
NormalIsSubjective  Wrote: (03-13-2018 02:21 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-12-2018 11:38 PM)
The link....

"Though it was developed to be as dangerous as possible when used, it was also designed so that it could be relatively easily transported. The nerve agent is made out of different “precursors”, which are relatively safe until they are mixed for use in a weapon.

That would presumably mean that the poison could transported relatively easily to Salisbury from Russia. It’s still not clear how such a poison would be able to make its way into the country.

As far as is known, the nerve agent has stayed in Russia since it was developed, which is what gives the Government such confidence that the country either used the poison itself or has lost control of it. But the Prime Minister did not speculate on the people or group behind the attack, or how it could have been carried out"


The poison need not "make its way into the country".


The formula, however, is a lot easier to smuggle.

to mix this, you need special chambers and ultra-exact measurements that are not obtained in a clandestine lab .... if this is what you are thinking
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Post: #23
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:32 AM)
NormalIsSubjective  Wrote: (03-13-2018 02:21 AM)
The poison need not "make its way into the country".


The formula, however, is a lot easier to smuggle.

to mix this, you need special chambers and ultra-exact measurements that are not obtained in a clandestine lab .... if this is what you are thinking

No shìt.

You don't think there's labs in the UK? Lmao

Man..
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03-13-2018 03:43 AM

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Post: #24
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
Spiddy  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:04 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 02:57 AM)
Ding ding*

Smuggled and copied.


Amazing how many people don't realize that this shìt can be made by anyone with access to the precursors and with lab/chemical knowledge + recipe.

The stupid public just assumes only Russia can make it because magic or some shìt..

The stupid public also assume that Russia wants it's traitors dead.
How dumb is that?


He was in a Russian prison for years, Spid.

They could have done that without this circus.
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Post: #25
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:33 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:32 AM)
to mix this, you need special chambers and ultra-exact measurements that are not obtained in a clandestine lab .... if this is what you are thinking

No shìt.

You don't think there's labs in the UK? Lmao

Man..

Dumbass

that kind of labs??
only in a pesticide factory probably
and they are totally under extreme surveillance
so the probably is.....the gas arrives to UK, manufactured in other place
you need the exact formula.....only the Russia military know the exact formula
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03-13-2018 03:50 AM

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Post: #26
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:23 AM)
What do nerve agents do and how hard are they to make?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018...ei-skripal

"The ingredients for the lethal substances apparently involved in the poisoning of Sergei Skripal are easy to obtain and are usually absorbed quickly through the skin or inhalation"


Nerve agents are not hard to make in principle, but in practice it takes specialised facilities and training to mix the substances safely. The raw materials themselves are inexpensive and generally not hard to obtain, but the lethality of the agents means they tend to be manufactured in dedicated labs. The main five nerve agents are Tabun, which is also known as GA and is the easiest to make, Sarin, Soman, GF and VX.


It Is not like you can mix this easly
One mistake and you are dead


If only the Brits had the expertise and place to do this.


Oh, wait...


UK's Porton Down military site is pioneer in chemicals research

Posted on 8 March 2018

The British military facility in Porton Down analysing the nerve agent used in the poisoning of a former Russian double agent serves as a state-of-the-art laboratory specialising in chemical and biological weapons research.

Located just a few miles from Salisbury, the southwestern English city where Sergei Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter were targeted, is Britain's most secretive and controversial military base.

The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory — its official name — employs 3,000 scientists across a sprawling rural site, and has an annual budget of £500 million (RM 2,711,315,560.00).

It was founded in 1916 to counter German gas attacks in World War I, which initially involved chlorine and then mustard gas and phosgene.

In the 1950s scientists at Porton Down developed non-lethal CS gas, better known as tear gas, as well as the deadly nerve agent VX, according to the BBC.

Given international conventions that prohibit the use of chemical weapons, research conducted at Porton Down is defensive in nature, Britain's Ministry of Defence (MoD) says... http://www.thesundaily.my/news/2018/03/0...s-research
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Post: #27
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:47 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:33 AM)
No shìt.

You don't think there's labs in the UK? Lmao

Man..

Dumbass

that kind of labs??
only in a pesticide factory probably
and they are totally under extreme surveillance
so the probably is.....the gas arrives to UK, manufactured in other place
you need the exact formula.....only the Russia military know the exact formula


That's what you think.

What do you suppose former Russian-intelligence-officers-turned-British-spies are doing for HM government anyway?

Pilfering vodka recipes?
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RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
The west has been manufacturing lies about Russia using nerve gas in Syria. How much of a stretch is it to think they would do this to blame Russia again? Obviously Russia didn't do it, it is US/British secret service.

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Post: #29
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
NormalIsSubjective  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:56 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-13-2018 03:47 AM)
Dumbass

that kind of labs??
only in a pesticide factory probably
and they are totally under extreme surveillance
so the probably is.....the gas arrives to UK, manufactured in other place
you need the exact formula.....only the Russia military know the exact formula


That's what you think.

What do you suppose former Russian-intelligence-officers-turned-British-spies are doing for HM government anyway?

Pilfering vodka recipes?

I agree with everything you've posted. As I mentioned in my reply to Spid, there's zero reasons for Russia to do it this way and many reasons for others to make it look like Russia did it.

Occam's Razor works perfectly within the context.

Just as they insert Russian into the code when they hack to make it look like Russia is responsible. Deception is the #1 tool of these shady fùckers who play geopolitical games for neocon gains.

You always were one of the clear thinkers here.. nice to see your posts Cheers
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Post: #30
RE: What is Novichok? The powerful nerve gas, developed by USSR
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (03-13-2018 04:02 AM)
The west has been manufacturing lies about Russia using nerve gas in Syria. How much of a stretch is it to think they would do this to blame Russia again? Obviously Russia didn't do it, it is US/British secret service.

This too^

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