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Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
GrimShaw
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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
The Lancet article has flaws that need to be taken into account. It doesn't indicate whether the dosage protocol differed across the hospitals. Also, zinc wasn't used, which seems to be essential to the way HCQ functions. The most concerning aspect, in my opinion, is the Table 2 differences in "mechanical ventilation" between the control group and the comparison groups (3 times lower!). That finding needs to be discussed in the study results, since we know mechanical ventilation is an indicator of severe disease and bad outcomes.
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Complete BS fake science as usual from the left.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05...ving-drug/

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He Man
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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
MT  Wrote: (05-22-2020 10:35 PM)
The Lancet article has flaws that need to be taken into account. It doesn't indicate whether the dosage protocol differed across the hospitals. Also, zinc wasn't used, which seems to be essential to the way HCQ functions. The most concerning aspect, in my opinion, is the Table 2 differences in "mechanical ventilation" between the control group and the comparison groups (3 times lower!). That finding needs to be discussed in the study results, since we know mechanical ventilation is an indicator of severe disease and bad outcomes.

This particular study was not a controlled research process. It is based on information from 6 nations with covid19 victims.

Other studies will be controlled and those are ongoing, this is just a look at the deaths and the numbers that took the drugs or not. This is interesting information that seems to indicate that the drugs are not effective.

So far the studies are showing it is not a good idea to take these drugs.

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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
Non-peer reviewed , nonrandomized registry observational study with Anecdotal conclusions.

Nor did they specify study groups in classifications of mild to severe. Below shows patient at risk for septic infection with low oxygen saturation included in the study.

Quote:Data are mean (SD) or n (%). BMI=body-mass index. COPD=chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. qSOFA=quick sepsis-related organ failure assessment. SPO2=oxygen saturation. ICU=intensive care unit.

But your desperation does make me laugh thanks buddy ! Lmao
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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
FD3.141 ATS Manners  Wrote: (05-22-2020 10:47 PM)
Non-peer reviewed , nonrandomized registry observational study with Anecdotal conclusions.

Nor did they specify study groups in classifications of mild to severe. Below shows patient at risk for septic infection with low oxygen saturation included in the study.

Quote:Data are mean (SD) or n (%). BMI=body-mass index. COPD=chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. qSOFA=quick sepsis-related organ failure assessment. SPO2=oxygen saturation. ICU=intensive care unit.

But your desperation does make me laugh thanks buddy ! Lmao

FD pretends to be en expert. chuckle The study is what it is, the controlled studies will back up the general findings, these drugs are dangerous.

There is nothing desperate, other than trying to convince gullible idiots that Trump is pushing a BS drug that is being shown to be dangerous and ineffective to treat covid19.

I have compassion for the gullible and wish them no harm, you use them for your twisted reasons.

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MT
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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
He Man  Wrote: (05-22-2020 10:40 PM)
MT  Wrote: (05-22-2020 10:35 PM)
The Lancet article has flaws that need to be taken into account. It doesn't indicate whether the dosage protocol differed across the hospitals. Also, zinc wasn't used, which seems to be essential to the way HCQ functions. The most concerning aspect, in my opinion, is the Table 2 differences in "mechanical ventilation" between the control group and the comparison groups (3 times lower!). That finding needs to be discussed in the study results, since we know mechanical ventilation is an indicator of severe disease and bad outcomes.

This particular study was not a controlled research process. It is based on information from 6 nations with covid19 victims.

Other studies will be controlled and those are ongoing, this is just a look at the deaths and the numbers that took the drugs or not. This is interesting information that seems to indicate that the drugs are not effective.

So far the studies are showing it is not a good idea to take these drugs.

I didn't say this was a controlled research process. I said it was a comparison between a control group and 4 treatment groups. I also would not call the patients with COVID-19 "victims". People who contract diseases through no fault of their own aren't "victims".

Any thoughts on why the control group had a "mechanical ventilation" rate that was 3 times lower than the treatment groups? That could certainly explain why the results of the treatment groups showed no improvement from the drugs...(unless you think the drugs caused the need for mechanical ventilation - which the study certainly doesn't hypothesize.).
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if that THING in the whiteyhouse is taking that sh*t, im the king of England
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Post: #24
RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
SevenThunders  Wrote: (05-22-2020 10:40 PM)
Complete BS fake science as usual from the left.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05...ving-drug/


Lmao this coming from a moron^ who believes trump, a proven pathological liar instead of science based on facts
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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
MT  Wrote: (05-22-2020 11:17 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-22-2020 10:40 PM)
This particular study was not a controlled research process. It is based on information from 6 nations with covid19 victims.

Other studies will be controlled and those are ongoing, this is just a look at the deaths and the numbers that took the drugs or not. This is interesting information that seems to indicate that the drugs are not effective.

So far the studies are showing it is not a good idea to take these drugs.

I didn't say this was a controlled research process. I said it was a comparison between a control group and 4 treatment groups. I also would not call the patients with COVID-19 "victims". People who contract diseases through no fault of their own aren't "victims".

Any thoughts on why the control group had a "mechanical ventilation" rate that was 3 times lower than the treatment groups? That could certainly explain why the results of the treatment groups showed no improvement from the drugs...(unless you think the drugs caused the need for mechanical ventilation - which the study certainly doesn't hypothesize.).

Anybody that catches covid19 is indeed a victim of the virus and disease.

Victimhood is not based on being in control or not in control of what happens to you.

A child killed by a drive by shooting that is aimed at their neighbor is a victim. They didn't do anything to cause the situation.

The study is clear on their conclusions I did not study their methodology. Ventilation is probably not caused by the drugs, it is likely the disease, but that can mean the drugs made it less likely to live through covid19 on or off of a ventilator.

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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
Yeah, drinking excessive amounts of alcohol & walking across busy streets, kills more people, than those not doing those things. I don't need a pharmaceutical funded study, to tell me that. I wonder if those conducting the study, have any loose ties to pharmaceutical & vaccine companies?
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Can't imbed, I don't think.

But well worth the visit ...


https://www.tiktok.com/@kyscottt/video/6...6769349894
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Post: #28
RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
No hard numbers, no indication that the statement made in the title of the article is anything like accurate.

More bullshit fake news
More bullshit fake statements
More TDS and crazy blinders on hatred.
More people dying because of leftists.
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He Man
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RE: Hydroxychloroquine, is killing more people than those not taking it, NEW study
Whatsamatta_U  Wrote: (05-23-2020 12:05 AM)
Can't imbed, I don't think.

But well worth the visit ...


https://www.tiktok.com/@kyscottt/video/6...6769349894

chuckle

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People who like Trump like the drug, people who hate Trump hate the drug.
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