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Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
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Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
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So racism is the hot button political wedge issue of this election year, after so many other promising wedge issues have failed to gain traction.....

Well at least racism is an issue worth our time. It is something we should be able to address constructively without much opposition from left or right because the reforms needed to make big improvements shouldn't be controversial at all.

Systemic institutional racism is real, and if you are offended by that just try to keep cool and see past that long enough to have an adult conversation...

On the other hand we aren't nearly as racist as a lot of people assert. We did just have a black president for two terms, we were experiencing the best employment for minorities in the US EVER just prior to covid.

Unfortunately the stats don't support the belief that we have a serious cops killing blacks problem. Only about 10 unarmed blacks are killed by cops each year in the US. And while 10 lives is ten lives docs and nurses kill between 250,000 and 470,000 each year making medical errors. Mistakes happen, things go wrong once in a while, human error is a part of life, and death.

BUT there is a LOT of injustice and some very simple remedies.

1) End the war on Drugs because it monetizes illegal drug industries and because it doesn't effectively reduce drug use. Evidenced by the opioid epidemic and by the startling results of Portugal's legalization policy.

2) End the prison industrial complex. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world due in large part to the War on Drugs. It also has a Constitutional amendment 13th amendment) which legalizes slavery of convicted felons.

3) Disband city police depts across the country and replace them with county police depts as happened in Camden NJ in 2013. By closing the city police dept and transferring responsibilities to the county the costs were reduced by almost half and the number of officers was almost doubled. Violent crime plummeted.

4) Terminate contracts with police unions who bargain collectively to protect one another's pensions by making it too difficult to fire bad cops. This was accomplished easily in Camden by shutting down the city police force.

All 4 of these ideas would be uncontroversial to the vast majority of Americans once they hear the background supporting each. And the living conditions of poor and minority folks in the US would be substantially improved by instituting these non controversial reforms.

Additionally the mere fact that Americans united to effect these reforms would go a LONG way toward healing racial wounds and building solidarity with our minority populations. Trust generated could lead to more progress in the future.



But here is the rub: The two political parties don't want these reforms, nor do they want racial tensions eased or racial wounds healed because US politics is built on wedge issues to create captive loyal support. The two party system depends on divide and conquer tactics to maintain their shared monopoly on power in the US.


While it is in the best interest of nearly all Americans to cooperate to effect these reforms the two parties have other agendas. So it is up to us to demand these reforms despite their agendas.

Because doing nothing is destroying our nation.

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07-01-2020 11:04 AM

 




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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
I doubt you'll have an adult discussion. The racists here probably won't allow it.
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
Isms only happen to be exploited so they can put more steps on the ladder of isms to help divide and a form of mind control. Us and them in wrong contexts galore.
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 11:10 AM)
Isms only happen to be exploited so they can put more steps on the ladder of isms to help divide and a form of mind control. Us and them in wrong contexts galore.

so can we begin dismantling the police state so we can all get along?
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
Spank The Monkey  Wrote: (07-01-2020 11:08 AM)
link to image: https://i.imgur.com/rGUpz4C.jpg

chucklechuckle
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 10:57 AM)
So racism is the hot button political wedge issue of this election year, after so many other promising wedge issues have failed to gain traction.....

Well at least racism is an issue worth our time. It is something we should be able to address constructively without much opposition from left or right because the reforms needed to make big improvements shouldn't be controversial at all.

Systemic institutional racism is real,

Well it's a popular trope amongst the radical left but is it true ? Can you list some proof that institutions are racist by policy and design ? List these policies and show the structures that discriminate by race if you can.
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
Racism is slowly dying
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
Spank The Monkey  Wrote: (07-01-2020 11:08 AM)
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Brilliant!

It is a fine thing to be honest, but it is also very important to be right. - Winston Churchill
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 11:46 AM)
Racism is slowly dying

The actual word is. It's overused now-a-days for political and personal agendas and has lost a lot of it's meaning.
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
No.
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 11:28 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 10:57 AM)
So racism is the hot button political wedge issue of this election year, after so many other promising wedge issues have failed to gain traction.....

Well at least racism is an issue worth our time. It is something we should be able to address constructively without much opposition from left or right because the reforms needed to make big improvements shouldn't be controversial at all.

Systemic institutional racism is real,

Well it's a popular trope amongst the radical left but is it true ? Can you list some proof that institutions are racist by policy and design ? List these policies and show the structures that discriminate by race if you can.

don't get hung up on it. If you don't want to believe it is real don't.

Meanwhile are you down with ending the war on drugs, the prison industrial complex, ditching city police depts for county ones because that would solve problems you may not see but that others do see?
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 11:46 AM)
Racism is slowly dying

it was until a few weeks ago, now it is clawing it's way back due to massive divisive politics.
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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 12:20 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 11:46 AM)
Racism is slowly dying

it was until a few weeks ago, now it is clawing it's way back due to massive divisive politics.

Thank Drumpft for that. It all started in 2015. Before you know it the Alt right is birthed and this happens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X1PcAeZ...verified=1
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07-01-2020 01:48 PM

 




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RE: Can we have an adult conversation about racism in the US?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-01-2020 10:57 AM)
So racism is the hot button political wedge issue of this election year, after so many other promising wedge issues have failed to gain traction.....

Well at least racism is an issue worth our time. It is something we should be able to address constructively without much opposition from left or right because the reforms needed to make big improvements shouldn't be controversial at all.

Systemic institutional racism is real, and if you are offended by that just try to keep cool and see past that long enough to have an adult conversation...

On the other hand we aren't nearly as racist as a lot of people assert. We did just have a black president for two terms, we were experiencing the best employment for minorities in the US EVER just prior to covid.

Unfortunately the stats don't support the belief that we have a serious cops killing blacks problem. Only about 10 unarmed blacks are killed by cops each year in the US. And while 10 lives is ten lives docs and nurses kill between 250,000 and 470,000 each year making medical errors. Mistakes happen, things go wrong once in a while, human error is a part of life, and death.

BUT there is a LOT of injustice and some very simple remedies.

1) End the war on Drugs because it monetizes illegal drug industries and because it doesn't effectively reduce drug use. Evidenced by the opioid epidemic and by the startling results of Portugal's legalization policy.

2) End the prison industrial complex. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world due in large part to the War on Drugs. It also has a Constitutional amendment 13th amendment) which legalizes slavery of convicted felons.

3) Disband city police depts across the country and replace them with county police depts as happened in Camden NJ in 2013. By closing the city police dept and transferring responsibilities to the county the costs were reduced by almost half and the number of officers was almost doubled. Violent crime plummeted.

4) Terminate contracts with police unions who bargain collectively to protect one another's pensions by making it too difficult to fire bad cops. This was accomplished easily in Camden by shutting down the city police force.

All 4 of these ideas would be uncontroversial to the vast majority of Americans once they hear the background supporting each. And the living conditions of poor and minority folks in the US would be substantially improved by instituting these non controversial reforms.

Additionally the mere fact that Americans united to effect these reforms would go a LONG way toward healing racial wounds and building solidarity with our minority populations. Trust generated could lead to more progress in the future.



But here is the rub: The two political parties don't want these reforms, nor do they want racial tensions eased or racial wounds healed because US politics is built on wedge issues to create captive loyal support. The two party system depends on divide and conquer tactics to maintain their shared monopoly on power in the US.


While it is in the best interest of nearly all Americans to cooperate to effect these reforms the two parties have other agendas. So it is up to us to demand these reforms despite their agendas.

Because doing nothing is destroying our nation.

discuss

I see no racism in the American system. I see how the system can take advantage of certain ways of life, but I'm not of the opinion anyone is a victim for living in a manner that violates laws. You can move to a place where laws match your way of life. But many believe their environment should live by their rules, even if that often means they don't live by their own rules, themselves
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