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The not so hidden hands of chloride toxicity
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08-01-2020 10:16 AM

 




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The not so hidden hands of chloride toxicity
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"A post hoc analysis of the Candesartan in Heart failure-Assessment of Reduction in Mortality and Morbidity (CHARM) study [21] aimed to identify novel prognostic markers in heart failure in a cohort of 2679 American patients. The multivariate analysis showed that serum Cl− was a predictor of all-cause mortality in patients with heart failure with an adjusted HR 0.78 per SD increase in serum Cl− (95 % CI 0.71–0.85), suggesting that serum Cl− predicts risk independently of blood pressure and serum Na+.

A large study of 12,968 treated hypertensive patients attending the Glasgow Blood Pressure Clinic with a follow up period of 197,101 person-years sought to investigate the association between serum Cl− and mortality [59]. Similar to De Bacquer et al. [19], this study reported that individuals with serum Cl− <100 mEq/L had the lowest survival independent of serum Na+ or HCO3− levels (p < 0.001). Multivariate, adjusted, analysis showed an inverse association between serum Cl− and all-cause mortality; a 1.5 % reduction in all-cause mortality is seen for every 1 mEq/L increase in serum Cl− (HR 0.985; 95 % CI 0.980–0.990). Similar results were shown for cardiovascular disease mortality (HR 0.985; 95 % CI 0.978–0.991), ischaemic heart disease mortality (HR 0.985; 95 % CI 0.976–0.995), and non-cardiovascular disease mortality (HR 0.985; 95 % CI 0.977–0.990). The association with stroke mortality did not reach statistical significance (HR 0.996; 95 % CI 0.981–1.010)."

"In conclusion, Cl−-dependent mechanisms appear to underlie a plethora of critical pathways underlying cardiovascular disease and blood pressure regulation highlighting the need for further studies to elucidate the mechanistic underpinnings of these observations. However, the relationship between dietary chloride, serum chloride, and intracellular chloride all appear to have different pathophysiological effects, and further studies are needed to determine the mechanistic underpinnings of the epidemiologic findings. The weight of evidence indicate that it is time Cl− moved out the shadow of Na+ as a mediator of disease and survival."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4325190/

It's not necessarily the sodium. Consider how much sh*t is chlorinated.

AND, I will tell you straight up, if someone suggests it, I would avoid hydroxychloroquine and use something less damaging. It messes heavily with certain functions (glutamic, glycine as well as potassium/sodium balance).
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08-01-2020 01:51 PM

 




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RE: The not so hidden hands of chloride toxicity
"The First Use of Chlorine By the Military
Chlorine is a very toxic and poisonous chemical and has been used effectively in warfare as a deadly weapon. It was administered as a gas and given the code name bertholite, by the Germans who first used it against the French in 1915 during the second battle of Ypres in Belgium. Almost immediately, it was used on the eastern front against the Russians and continued to be used throughout the war resulting in thousands of casualties.

Other Uses of Chlorine
Other uses of this chemical include being used as a bleach in the paper and pulp industry and to bleach flour. It is also used to make other chemicals such as ethlene dichloride for the manufacture of polyvinly chloride which is used to make siding, flooring, tubing, coatings, piping, film, and other products. Another chemical made from chlorine is propylene oxide for manufacturing plastics called polyesters that are used to make boat and car bodies, bowling balls, carpets, and fabrics. Chlorine is also found in cosmetics, medicines, solvents, sealants, computer chips, paints, and other types of disinfectants.

Industrial Chlorine
The type of chlorine that is being referred to is industrial type not the natural mineral sodium chloride such as found in sea water. To produce industrial type chlorine natural sodium chloride is exposed to powerful electrical charges which separates the chlorine from the chloride producing a toxic and poisonous chlorine gas. It is this chlorine that has been used to treat the drinking water, to poison and kill soldiers during world wars I and II, and is used for the manufacture of many other chemicals to make other man-made products and chemicals,

What Research Has Been Done on Chlorine Before Adding it to the Water Supply?
Since chlorine is a toxic and poisonous substance, even being called a pesticide by the EPA, you would think that some sort of research would have been conducted before allowing people to drink, shower and bathe, and swim in it. However, it's interesting to note that in the July 28th 1951 Journal of the American Medical Association there was a question to the editor under the section where physicians could ask questions from a physician as to whether any studies had been done to ascertain any negative effects to drinking chlorinated water. The editor’s reply to the question was that he carefully examined all available material and found that there was never any research conducted on the effects of chlorine on the human body. However, the editor did say that there were cases of skin inflammation and many outbreaks of asthma traced to chlorine, but said these were due to allergies.

At the time of that statement in 1951 forty-three years had passed and people in the United States had been drinking and exposing their bodies to a chemical that was used as a weapon to kill people in two world wars. It kind of boggles the imagination to think that such a powerful and deadly chemical would be allowed to be added to water that people would use for drinking, showering, bathing, swimming in, and making baby formulas without first conducting a study to see if the long-term low dosage use of chlorine would cause any sort of negative effects. The interesting part is that to this date, 2006, or 55 years since 1951, the medical community nor the FDA still have not conducted official studies as to the effects on chlorine in or on the human body.

Available Research on the Effects of Chlorine on the Human Body
While there has been no official research done on the effects of chlorine on the human body by the medical community as a whole, or the FDA, there is however many years of research and experience available from other researchers, physicians, and scientists from around the world that we can examine. As you continue reading you will find abundant information as to how toxic and damaging chlorine is to the body and how you can protect yourself.
Chlorine and Cardiovascular Disease

Cardiovascular Disease in 1908
When chlorine was first added to the drinking water it was of course intended to benefit mankind by eliminating disease-causing organisms such as typhoid and cholera. And it worked very well. Before chlorine became widely used in1908 in the United States, the deaths resulting from typhoid were about 35,379, or 31 per 100,000 of population. And the deaths from heart disease was about 64,439, or 137 per 100,000 of population.
PLEASE NOTE: Deaths from heart disease were actually lower than this before 1900, with some of the first recorded cases occurring in the late 1800's.

Cardiovascular Disease in 1950
By 1950, or forty-two years later after 1908, chlorine had become more widely used in the water supplies of the United States. Also, people had been exposed to chlorine for a longer period of time. Due to the chlorine and improved sanitary conditions the number of deaths from typhoid had dropped almost 90 which was essentially zero per 100,000 of population. However, the death rate from heart disease had dramatically increased to 535,920, or 355 per 100,000 of population. That was a total increase of 471,481 since 1908 when chlorine was first used in the water supplies.

Cardiovascular Disease in 2003
In 2003, ninety-five years after chlorine was first added to the drinking water in1908, it has become a common household word that people don’t think much about and is used in almost every municipality’s water supply in the United States. And since the American public has been exposed to chlorine for almost 100 years what have been the results? While typhoid still remains under control and no longer poses a major health risk, the death from heart disease has increased dramatically.

Based on the estimates of The American Heart Association for 2003 there were 71,300,000 Americans affected by some form of cardiovascular disease resulting in over 910,614 deaths. And out of those deaths it was estimated that 479,305 were due to coronary heart disease, the leading cause of death in the United States.

Then in 2004 The American Heart Association estimated that 13,200,000 people alive at that time had a history of heart attack, angina pectoris or both. They also estimated that another 1.2 million Americans would have a new or recurrent coronary attack.

Coronaries/Cholesterol/Chlorine
During the 1960s Dr. Joseph Price wanted to know why cardiovascular heart disease, such as heart attacks, strokes, and atherosclerosis, had become so prevalent during this time when prior to 1900 it was virtually non-existent. In his book Coronaries/Cholesterol/Chlorine published in 1969 he said, “that something has dramatically changed in the last six to seven decades of human history.” Dr. Price felt that there was some sort of environmental factor that was being overlooked by the medical community contributing to the development of atherosclerosis. "

https://livewellnaturally.com/HN_article...iller.html

Considering the implications with hypertension, blood pressure, other mineral balance, etc...yeah. You go do that math.
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RE: The not so hidden hands of chloride toxicity
Btw, interesting comparisons can be made with compounds containing sodium but NOT chlorine compared to table salt. Bicarbonate of soda, for instance is often more useful and less toxic.
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Thanks OP. For a decade I have been asking people why they fret over the possibility that fluoride might be poisoning us when we know that chlorine is toxic and it is also in our water supply.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-01-2020 02:00 PM)
Thanks OP. For a decade I have been asking people why they fret over the possibility that fluoride might be poisoning us when we know that chlorine is toxic and it is also in our water supply.

Fluoride isn't a "might be poisoning" thing, it definitely is toxic, and it deprives you of correct mitochondrial function, affecting every part of your body negatively and severely. The combination with chlorine makes it that much worse, and particularly, because both interfere with iodine, which is a lot like your body's natural sterilzation, along with effects like generally correct immune system function, correct thyroid and hormonal function, cognitive function, etc.
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table salt
chuckle
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table salt
chuckle

Water supply.
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Practically every product.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-01-2020 03:04 PM)
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Thanks OP. For a decade I have been asking people why they fret over the possibility that fluoride might be poisoning us when we know that chlorine is toxic and it is also in our water supply.

Fluoride isn't a "might be poisoning" thing, it definitely is toxic, and it deprives you of correct mitochondrial function, affecting every part of your body negatively and severely. The combination with chlorine makes it that much worse, and particularly, because both interfere with iodine, which is a lot like your body's natural sterilzation, along with effects like generally correct immune system function, correct thyroid and hormonal function, cognitive function, etc.

chlorine is deadly even if you inhale it. Florine not so much.

I think they have been pointing people at the wrong toxicity issue like magicians do when they misdirect.
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