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Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
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Spiddy  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:10 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 09:43 PM)
I thought that "40%" was the grade they gave you.
As though they looked over your post and gave it 40%.
As in a Failing grade.

But maybe not.

Lol.
All my school reports used to say something along the lines of 'Has great potential but must try harder'.
From that reply I'm guessing your school reports were similar just without the 'great potential' part.
C'mon dude. Make an effort.

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RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
These border crossers probably have never had medical care up until being in a US detention facility. The question is why is the US is giving them expensive medical care?I

Send them back home to get operations.
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Post: #48
RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
Spiddy  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:10 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 09:43 PM)
I thought that "40%" was the grade they gave you.
As though they looked over your post and gave it 40%.
As in a Failing grade.

But maybe not.

Lol.
All my school reports used to say something along the lines of 'Has great potential but must try harder'.
From that reply I'm guessing your school reports were similar just without the 'great potential' part.
C'mon dude. Make an effort.

I'm guessing it doesn't matter what I say.
That you're here to insult people, preferably Americans, and that's what you're going to do.

So swing away Spiddy.
If I treat you the way you treat me I will be banned.
So enjoy you immunity and post your hate filled vitriol to your hearts content.
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Post: #49
RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 08:54 PM)
PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (09-15-2020 08:39 PM)
QUESTIONS -

The article says a 'stunning amount' of hysterectomies. What is a 'stunning amount'? I read five hysterectomies in a three month period of time. (Or did I miss something?). Five hysterectomies out of how many women?

Hysterectomies aren't the preferred method of 'sterilization'. It's much much more invasive and involved than a tubal ligation. (getting 'tubes tied'). If someone was trying to mass sterilize women, they wouldn't go for the hysterectomy. They'd do the tubal ligation. Quicker. Easier. Cheaper. Can do more in a shorter amount of time.

Hysterectomy is a common procedure in the USA - 11.7 percent of women between the ages of 40-44 had a hysterectomy. More so if you count in women in their upper 40's and 50's who get them. Approximately 600,000 hysterectomies are performed annually in the United States. They are done for many reasons ... fibroids, endometriosis, prolapse of uterus, cancer, etc etc.

The women having hysterectomies may have had medical conditions requiring them. Women having tubes removed may have had tubal pregnancies. We don't know. The facility is required to provide medical care and they may have needed it. We need more information. A full investigation. The off site doctor could have been doing needless operations so as to be paid big $$ from the Gov't ... or it could all be on the up and up .... need the investigation to find out.

As for the COVID conditions ... yeah it sucks for the detainees, but that's what happens in a pandemic when the supply chain is busted and everyone is sick. Don't try to break into a country illegally during a pandemic ... or any other time. Come in LEGALLY.

The American medical folks and staff at the facility had a shortage of PPE for a while. It happened everywhere. Welcome to a national emergency and broken supply chains. Sucks ... and it took a while for the stepped up manufacturing to work through the system .. but it's the best that could be done.


Nice, common-sense post^

Agreed.
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RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
sweet  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:15 PM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:10 PM)
Lol.
All my school reports used to say something along the lines of 'Has great potential but must try harder'.
From that reply I'm guessing your school reports were similar just without the 'great potential' part.
C'mon dude. Make an effort.

chuckle

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 09:16 PM)
We all know your opinion and nothing I say is going to change it.
You're not even asking, its just a dishonest way for you stroke your hate boner as performance art.

We might even see some rando come in to defend you.

lol

I impress myself sometimes.
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RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
sweet  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:15 PM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:10 PM)
Lol.
All my school reports used to say something along the lines of 'Has great potential but must try harder'.
From that reply I'm guessing your school reports were similar just without the 'great potential' part.
C'mon dude. Make an effort.

chuckle

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You're making me blush. chuckle



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RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (09-15-2020 03:43 PM)
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/93578d/staggering-number-of-hysterectomies-happening-at-ice-facility-whistleblower-sa

I think it is safe to say, that we are, in fact, the baddies. Those doctors need to lose their licenses and lots of people need to go to prison for human rights violations.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:24 PM)
Spiddy  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:10 PM)
Lol.
All my school reports used to say something along the lines of 'Has great potential but must try harder'.
From that reply I'm guessing your school reports were similar just without the 'great potential' part.
C'mon dude. Make an effort.

I'm guessing it doesn't matter what I say.
That you're here to insult people, preferably Americans, and that's what you're going to do.

So swing away Spiddy.
If I treat you the way you treat me I will be banned.
So enjoy you immunity and post your hate filled vitriol to your hearts content.

You have a problem with my white privilege?
Too bad.
Dude who supports the forced sterilization of women finds out what it's like to be disempowered on a conspiracy forum.
My heart bleeds for thee.

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Post: #54
RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 09:55 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 03:52 PM)
I guess they should have stayed home?

What irks me only is that tax dollars are paying for this sh*t.

These women pop out babies like nobodies business. Sterilizing them means we won't have to pay for the little bastards food, housing, and medical expenses so it's a win.

What one allows their government to do to others, they allow it to do it to them as well. It sets the precedence. If you think the depopulationists will stop at immigrants and foreigners than I would say you are naive.

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Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (09-15-2020 05:36 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 05:24 PM)
Gas chambers are a war crime. Hysterectomies make being culled at a later date far less likely. I see it as a preventative humanitarian necessity. Only an idiot would want to bring new life into this f*cking cesspool.

You sound like a damned Nazi.

And a coward. Afraid of the call to service so much that he would deny others the choice.
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Spiddy  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:55 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:24 PM)
I'm guessing it doesn't matter what I say.
That you're here to insult people, preferably Americans, and that's what you're going to do.

So swing away Spiddy.
If I treat you the way you treat me I will be banned.
So enjoy you immunity and post your hate filled vitriol to your hearts content.

You have a problem with my white privilege?
Too bad.
Dude who supports the forced sterilization of women finds out what it's like to be disempowered on a conspiracy forum.
My heart bleeds for thee.

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I don't care what color you are.

If I did I might have to defend my position.
Lucky for me it's just poo flung by an enraged ape.
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RE: Whistleblower: Forced Sterilization at ICE Concentration Camps
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 10:26 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 08:54 PM)
Nice, common-sense post^

Agreed.

Well here is another article on the situation.

Whistleblower on Doctor at ICE Facility: “Everybody He Sees Has a Hysterectomy”

"A whistleblower complaint directed toward the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) alleges that detainees at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility in Georgia were medically neglected, including not being tested for COVID-19, and that an alarmingly large number of hysterectomies were being performed on detainees.

The complaint, filed with the Office of Inspector General (OIG) for DHS, states that the hysterectomies were performed on several immigrants held within the Irwin County Detention Center (ICDC). It was brought forward by a number of organizations, including Project South, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, Georgia Detention Watch and South Georgia Immigrant Support Network.

The hysterectomies in question — medical operations in which a part or the whole uterus is removed from a patient’s body — were performed at a suspiciously high frequency, detainees at the facility confirmed. Moreover, many of those who had undergone the procedure had difficulty explaining why it had been done.

“Recently, a detained immigrant told Project South that she talked to five different women detained at ICDC between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy done,” the complaint states. “When she talked to them about the surgery, the women ‘reacted confused when explaining why they had one done.’ The woman told Project South that it was as though the women were ‘trying to tell themselves it’s going to be OK.’”

The detainee who spoke to those women and shared the information with Project South compared the experience of the surgeries as akin to being in “an experimental concentration camp.”

“It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies,” that individual added.

Dawn Wooten, the whistleblower formally named in the complaint and a nurse who worked at ICDC, confirmed details of the detainee’s account, noting that the patients who had hysterectomies performed were not always made aware of a clear reason why. In some cases, there was a language barrier in obtaining consent, too, with nurses at the facility using Google Translate to communicate with immigrant women whose primary language was Spanish. (Google has stated in other matters that federal agencies should not rely on their translation services.)

One detainee Wooten mentioned in the complaint was given at least three separate and unrelated reasons for why she needed a hysterectomy. When she countered one of the reasons given by noting that the justification of reducing her menstrual bleeding didn’t fit with her medical history, a nurse “responded by getting angry and agitated, and began yelling at her,” the complaint states.


Wooten further alleges in the complaint that ICDC used the same gynecologist from outside the facility on a number of occasions to perform the procedures. She added that this doctor almost always chose to perform hysterectomies on the patients he saw.

“Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy — just about everybody.… Everybody’s uterus cannot be that bad,” Wooten is quoted as stating in the complaint, describing this doctor as the “uterus collector.”

“Everybody he sees, he’s taking all their uteruses out, or he’s taken their tubes out. What in the world,” Wooten added.

In another account that Wooten recalled, a woman was told she needed one of her ovaries removed due to a cyst. The doctor in question removed the wrong ovary, however, which resulted in him later having to perform a total hysterectomy.

The woman was not “all the way out under anesthesia” during the first procedure, Wooten said, and actually heard the doctor announce to the nurse in the room that he had removed the wrong ovary.

“She still wanted children — so she has to go back home now and tell her husband that she can’t bear kids,” Wooten said.


Beyond the allegations related to hysterectomies, the complaint further states that detainees were treated poorly in other ways, including not receiving medical attention when experiencing pain, having life-saving medication withheld from them, and ICDC not conducting enough COVID-19 testing.

ICE responded to the allegations on Monday evening, suggesting in a statement that charges from anonymous patients cited in the complaint “should be treated with the appropriate skepticism they deserve.”

But a number of critics spoke out after the allegations were made public, calling for formal investigations of ICDC and ICE, with some remarking it was further evidence that ICE deserved to be abolished.

“Today’s immigration news should be a rough reminder, to those who still need it, that we need to abolish ICE,” Jonathan Jayes-Green, vice president of programs at Marguerite Casey Foundation, said regarding the situation. “This amoral, cruel and rotten system cannot be reformed.”

“Ms. Wooten’s account of the treatment of people in ICE custody is horrifying,” said Silky Shah, executive director of Detention Watch Network. “People’s lives are at risk in immigration detention, and ICE has continued to prove through its record of medical neglect that no one is safe in its custody.”

Jenn M. Jackson, a professor of race, politics and gender at Syracuse University, noted that the forced hysterectomies were a continuation of a disturbing chapter in U.S. history.

“Forced sterilization has been enacted throughout history on Indigenous, Black, and Brown folx because they were determined unfit for reproduction by the State,” Jackson wrote in a tweet.


Nelini Stamp, national organizing director at the Working Families Party, also commented on the allegations, pointing out that forced sterilization is a common manifestation of white supremacy. Stamp noted that coercive hysterectomies are performed in prisons throughout the U.S., and were used to sterilize vast numbers of Puerto Ricans over the course of decades.

Members of Congress also chimed in on the matter.

“Forced sterilization is a cruel tool of white supremacy with a long, abominable history in this country,” Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Massachusetts) tweeted out. “We need a Congressional investigation into these heinous human rights abuses immediately.”

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-15-2020 04:36 PM)
Eugenics from the past early 20th century never went away.

Not when the #1 cause of death for black people is abortion, brought to us by the famous eugenicist, Margaret Sanger, who wanted to exterminate the sub-human class.
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He Man  Wrote: (09-15-2020 11:35 PM)
Well here is another article on the situation.

That article is full of loaded language and no new information.
Also it states that this is 'forced sterilization'.
I already explained ... mass hysterectomy wouldn't be used for sterilization.
Mass tubal ligation would be.

We do not know how many people had hysterectomies and over what length of time.
It's a very common procedure for women past the age of 40 for many reasons.

State the number of hysterectomies.
State the percentage of people having them.
State the reasons given.
And see how much $$$ the doctor was paid by the government for them.

If there is something hanky going on, it will be because of being paid for hysterectomies that were unnecessary ... not 'forced sterilization'. We have no information and an investigation is necessary before people start screaming about racism and 'forced sterilization'.

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Fake News

That's a serious operation requiring big money and teams of specialized staff.


Why do that when you can give them a pill and they are sterile?
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