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Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
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RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (09-15-2020 11:12 PM)
Yah this was brought up earlier in the year, like February. I think that was part of the initial panic, like an airborne aids that survived on surfaces for up to 2 weeks.

Then everything got muddied with a million different opinions.

It was the usual trick: If you can't kill a story, bury it under a mountain of bullshit. No one will ever know the difference.

... except for those who know how that trick works, and who also know that the very act of applying that trick confirms the truth of the story they're trying to bury.

It is an airborne HIV-like (with inserted HIV sequences) virus... and the scary part about it all is that HIV is a retrovirus -- it embeds a copy of itself into infected cell's DNA (and thus propagates to all the cell's descendants when that cell divides), be that either a full copy (like SARS-COV2 apparently does, because it cuoldn't possibly be as infectious as it is without being able to replicate in full for continued air transmission), or in part (which is what I'm assuming HIV does, but I don't know enough about it to be certain).

The problem is that a retrovirus, once it's embedded in the DNA, can't be rid of by any known methods any more than an arbitrary physical feature (like eye color, hair color, number of fingers on one hand, or some such) can be changed on a whim... and without any (deadly) consequences to the whole body.

That's the main reason why no vaccine for HIV has ever been created in 40 years of its existence... and, also, why none can ever be created, not even in theory... because CRISPR (used to identify DNA sequences for cutting, copying, or replacing) is useless when you're facing almost as many viral mutations as there are infected people.

Any actual vaccine, even if somebody managed to create one, would be applicable to no more than a few individuals, and even then, there would probably be several different mutations of the virus inside the DNA of a single individual to make the whole attempt completely pointless to begin with.

My bet is that this problem is the root cause of everybody hiding the most basic fact about SARS-COV2, namely, that it's a retrovirus, and that no cure for it will ever be made... at least for more than a few individuals with enough worldly riches to actually buy that cure... but not the actual immunity from it, because if cure itself is nearly impossible to create (because of all the mutations), actual immunity is literally impossible.
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RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
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Isabella  Wrote: (09-16-2020 12:25 AM)
What journal was Luc's "confirmation" published in and peer reviewed?
facepalm

Do you even read a post before you shite post, you really should get tested for some brain disease, you may have HIV Sars 3 Syphilis.

Again:

Luc: THAT, there are efforts to hide this story from the public.

We are only investigating this Virus.

A group of renowned Indian scientists published the same research, but were forced to withdraw their report.

Luc: I understand you,

you see it’s a time consuming process we have already sent our work for publication.

But I have already told you and I will repeat,

"there is a huge pressure not to publish these works."

Indian scientists write a report, he peer reviews it, as he is the peer above all others as the Nobel Prize winning authority and discoverer of the HIV virus,

then to get it published, it is censored, and withdrawn, by the pressure of FraudCI's.

Now soon we will get a copy of these documents and publish them everywhere, sorry mrs Fraudci.

Lmonkey

Rofl It's 3 months now so where were these documents published?
Luc said they'd be published everwhere.

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Post: #33
RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
I’ve been warning people for months.

The vaccine is built using the HIV RNA.

This is because it contains the m6A cell. This is a miracle cell in that it can carry data that it can transfer into your genetic code. Only the HIV RNA contains this ‘miracle’ m6A cell. They program it using CRISPR which was created by Microsoft.

They intend giving everyone HIV. HIV wS created in 1981 for this purpose.

Yes HIV can develop into AIDS and can kill but HIV itself is unique. It sits in your bone marrow so every new cell your body produces is already HIV active. Once you are HIV ridden no other virus can infect your cells. This is the miracle COVID cure they keep talking about.

Back to the m6A cell..........it is pre-programmes to attach into your DNA and it’s purpose is to re-active your Thymus..... your Thymus de-activates when you begin puberty. Once your Thymus is re-activated your body goes to pre-pubescent stage. Your gonads and ovaries shrink and become inactive........mass sterilisation.

There is a lot of disinformation out there but this is real. The disinformation tells a part truth but leads away.........please please all do your own investigation......please look up the following -

Parabiosis - this is the real adrenochrome - adrenochrome was created to lead awY from what Parabiosis is - it is already a big part of cosmetics.

Thymus and hyperthalamus- t-cell creation and stem cell creation - once your Thymus is reactivated you become a stem cell factory - they will farm your stem cells

Stem cell technology and bioengineering - the miracle cure

Artificial embryos using stem cells - the new post ‘COVID vaccine’ transhumance race - you’ll order your future children out of a catalogue

CRISPR and m6A programming - how they alter your genetics

HIV use in vaccines - why is it so miraculous

Genetically modified mosquitos - now being able to deliver a vaccine containing HIV RNA - don’t take the vaccine shot - one bite and you’ll have it anyway

Fauci - life work - Genome Project - HIV - his connection to Gates Snr of eugenics fame - what was the real Genome Project

How all the vaccine producers are connected - receiving funding directly from Gates Foundation and Gavi - each vaccine will have a different name but all will be the same thing

This years Great Conjunction on 21st December - Kesler Trigon - Jupiter and Saturn closest ever alignment - this is why they are doing what they are doing
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RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
Isabella  Wrote: (09-16-2020 04:54 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-16-2020 01:34 AM)
facepalm

Do you even read a post before you shite post, you really should get tested for some brain disease, you may have HIV Sars 3 Syphilis.

Again:

Luc: THAT, there are efforts to hide this story from the public.

We are only investigating this Virus.

A group of renowned Indian scientists published the same research, but were forced to withdraw their report.

Luc: I understand you,

you see it’s a time consuming process we have already sent our work for publication.

But I have already told you and I will repeat,

"there is a huge pressure not to publish these works."

Indian scientists write a report, he peer reviews it, as he is the peer above all others as the Nobel Prize winning authority and discoverer of the HIV virus,

then to get it published, it is censored, and withdrawn, by the pressure of FraudCI's.

Now soon we will get a copy of these documents and publish them everywhere, sorry mrs Fraudci.

Lmonkey

Rofl It's 3 months now so where were these documents published?
Luc said they'd be published everwhere.
No he did not say that, I typed that part.

See this is why you needed to get tested for dementia also, the story he told was from January, SCIENCE JOURNALS will not publish the papers, they have been withdrawn by the researchers, but they were leaked, somewhere someone has copies,

I wrote when we get a copy, we will publish it, just for laughs.

Biden told you that you should not be afraid of seeking Mental Health Services, posting on the Lunatic Outpost is not a productive exercise for you.

Lmonkey
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RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-16-2020 09:40 AM)
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (09-15-2020 11:12 PM)
Yah this was brought up earlier in the year, like February. I think that was part of the initial panic, like an airborne aids that survived on surfaces for up to 2 weeks.

Then everything got muddied with a million different opinions.

It was the usual trick: If you can't kill a story, bury it under a mountain of bullshit. No one will ever know the difference.

... except for those who know how that trick works, and who also know that the very act of applying that trick confirms the truth of the story they're trying to bury.

It is an airborne HIV-like (with inserted HIV sequences) virus... and the scary part about it all is that HIV is a retrovirus -- it embeds a copy of itself into infected cell's DNA (and thus propagates to all the cell's descendants when that cell divides), be that either a full copy (like SARS-COV2 apparently does, because it cuoldn't possibly be as infectious as it is without being able to replicate in full for continued air transmission), or in part (which is what I'm assuming HIV does, but I don't know enough about it to be certain).

The problem is that a retrovirus, once it's embedded in the DNA, can't be rid of by any known methods any more than an arbitrary physical feature (like eye color, hair color, number of fingers on one hand, or some such) can be changed on a whim... and without any (deadly) consequences to the whole body.

That's the main reason why no vaccine for HIV has ever been created in 40 years of its existence... and, also, why none can ever be created, not even in theory... because CRISPR (used to identify DNA sequences for cutting, copying, or replacing) is useless when you're facing almost as many viral mutations as there are infected people.

Any actual vaccine, even if somebody managed to create one, would be applicable to no more than a few individuals, and even then, there would probably be several different mutations of the virus inside the DNA of a single individual to make the whole attempt completely pointless to begin with.

My bet is that this problem is the root cause of everybody hiding the most basic fact about SARS-COV2, namely, that it's a retrovirus, and that no cure for it will ever be made... at least for more than a few individuals with enough worldly riches to actually buy that cure... but not the actual immunity from it, because if cure itself is nearly impossible to create (because of all the mutations), actual immunity is literally impossible.

The cure has been out for months, even years, but nobody is interested in that because the doctors and the scientist can not explain why it does what it does, and there is no money to be made off of a cure. Then they find it solves at least 70 percent of other diseases that humans suffer from, but it goes against the religion of creationism and that control can not be relinquished by the PTB.

Science is fun, but if it is not for you, find another hobby, chuckle
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Post: #36
RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-16-2020 07:04 PM)
Isabella  Wrote: (09-16-2020 04:54 PM)
Rofl It's 3 months now so where were these documents published?
Luc said they'd be published everwhere.
No he did not say that, I typed that part.

See this is why you needed to get tested for dementia also, the story he told was from January, SCIENCE JOURNALS will not publish the papers, they have been withdrawn by the researchers, but they were leaked, somewhere someone has copies,

I wrote when we get a copy, we will publish it, just for laughs.

Biden told you that you should not be afraid of seeking Mental Health Services, posting on the Lunatic Outpost is not a productive exercise for you.

Lmonkey

So sorry for confusing your bullshit with Luc's bullshit about his discovery being "confirmed" and the bullshit excuses why it won't be published and peer reviewed.


Lmao

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RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
Isabella  Wrote: (09-16-2020 07:23 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-16-2020 07:04 PM)
No he did not say that, I typed that part.

See this is why you needed to get tested for dementia also, the story he told was from January, SCIENCE JOURNALS will not publish the papers, they have been withdrawn by the researchers, but they were leaked, somewhere someone has copies,

I wrote when we get a copy, we will publish it, just for laughs.

Biden told you that you should not be afraid of seeking Mental Health Services, posting on the Lunatic Outpost is not a productive exercise for you.

Lmonkey

So sorry for confusing your bullshit with Luc's bullshit about his discovery being "confirmed" and the bullshit excuses why it won't be published and peer reviewed.


Lmao

No worries, we expect your biden like episodes to continue, until he bows out for health reasons, Harris will make a fine prez for the slaves.

I wonder who she will choose for VP?

Either way laughter is the best medicine for what ails ya, you hope.

Lmonkey
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RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
EverythingsWrong  Wrote: (09-16-2020 05:26 PM)
I’ve been warning people for months.

The vaccine is built using the HIV RNA.

This is because it contains the m6A cell. This is a miracle cell in that it can carry data that it can transfer into your genetic code. Only the HIV RNA contains this ‘miracle’ m6A cell. They program it using CRISPR which was created by Microsoft.

They intend giving everyone HIV. HIV wS created in 1981 for this purpose.

Yes HIV can develop into AIDS and can kill but HIV itself is unique. It sits in your bone marrow so every new cell your body produces is already HIV active. Once you are HIV ridden no other virus can infect your cells. This is the miracle COVID cure they keep talking about.

Back to the m6A cell..........it is pre-programmes to attach into your DNA and it’s purpose is to re-active your Thymus..... your Thymus de-activates when you begin puberty. Once your Thymus is re-activated your body goes to pre-pubescent stage. Your gonads and ovaries shrink and become inactive........mass sterilisation.

There is a lot of disinformation out there but this is real. The disinformation tells a part truth but leads away.........please please all do your own investigation......please look up the following -

Parabiosis - this is the real adrenochrome - adrenochrome was created to lead awY from what Parabiosis is - it is already a big part of cosmetics.

Thymus and hyperthalamus- t-cell creation and stem cell creation - once your Thymus is reactivated you become a stem cell factory - they will farm your stem cells

Stem cell technology and bioengineering - the miracle cure

Artificial embryos using stem cells - the new post ‘COVID vaccine’ transhumance race - you’ll order your future children out of a catalogue

CRISPR and m6A programming - how they alter your genetics

HIV use in vaccines - why is it so miraculous

Genetically modified mosquitos - now being able to deliver a vaccine containing HIV RNA - don’t take the vaccine shot - one bite and you’ll have it anyway

Fauci - life work - Genome Project - HIV - his connection to Gates Snr of eugenics fame - what was the real Genome Project

How all the vaccine producers are connected - receiving funding directly from Gates Foundation and Gavi - each vaccine will have a different name but all will be the same thing

This years Great Conjunction on 21st December - Kesler Trigon - Jupiter and Saturn closest ever alignment - this is why they are doing what they are doing

But why is there a lack of virus evidence? Mainly because the particles claimed to be viruses have not been completely purified in the relevant detection studies. However, such "purification" is an indispensable prerequisite for detecting viruses and creating valid antibody and PCR tests based on them. This is also stated by scientists who are among the most renowned in the world.

About the fact that particle purification is a basic requirement for virus detection, say for example:

White and Fenner: “It’s an essential pre-requisite.”
Luc Montagnier: “It is necessary.”
Robert Gallo: “You have to purify.”
Françoise Barré-Sinoussi: “... you have to purify the virus from all this mess.”
Jean-Claude Chermann: “Yes, of course… Absolutely.”
David Gordon: “It’s a natural step from obtaining the virus in cell culture to then obtain purified virus.”
Dominic Dwyer: “The purification, as far as one can go, is important in analysis of any virus or bacteria, for that matter well.”

And about the fact that particle purification is a basic requirement for the development of valid PCR and antibody tests, say for example:

White and Fenner: “… for the chemical analysis of viruses.” To prove that the virus particles have unique proteins and RNA.
Luc Montagnier: “… analysis of the proteins of the virus [obviously this also applies to the viral RNA, the genome] demands mass production and purification. It is necessary to do that... To prove that you have a real virus.”
Françoise Barré-Sinoussi: “It was important to prepare kits for antibody detection. Because we wanted these diagnosis kits to be as specific as possible. If you use a preparation of virus which is not purified of course you will detect antibody to everything, not only against the virus but also against all the proteins that are produced in the supernatant… Now when this virus is in this [cell culture] supernatant it’s not purified. Because the cells are releasing plenty of things, not only the virus... cellular proteins... so that means in the supernatant you have a mixture of everything, including the virus. Then you have to purify it… from all this mess.”
Jean-Claude Chermann: To identify the viral proteins and RNA one has to extract them “from the virus which we had concentrated and purified.”
Robert Gallo: “Conclusive serological testing, in our view, required finer, more specific assays based on using purified virus particles or proteins obtained from the virus instead of whole cells infected with virus”.
David Cooper: “Once the virus is purified, it’s then genetically sequenced and those sequences are unique [must be unique] just like every organism on the planet has unique sequences and markers.”
David Gordon: “… because purification of virus is then very useful for further studies for the nature of the virus and the nature of the immune response against the virus.”
Dominic Dwyer: “In the diagnostic sort of situation what that really is looking for is looking for presence of those conserved bits of genetic material that you know to be the pathogen, be it HIV or flu or whatever, you then use that technology to see whether those sequences or those bits are present in something else, in another clinical sample, for example. And that really now has become, you know, the main method of diagnosis of many pathogens in a laboratory now… I mean with genetic testing – I guess the upside of course is you can do it on everybody, it’s pretty cheap, it’s extremely reliable and robust, the downside is that you have to know the genetic structure to begin with, you have to have the genetic sequence of what you are after. So when a new virus emerges, like SARS, you can’t necessarily use, reliably, nucleic acid testing until you get the sequence of that new virus for the first time. So then in fact you are in a first identifier, you are required to use these more traditional methods of virus culture and microscopy and so on.”
Wan Beom Park: “In the outbreak situation, isolation of causative virus is indispensable for developing and evaluating diagnostic tools, therapeutics, and vaccine candidates.”

So if there is no isolation, purification, then proper sequencing can not be done, and a test to detect it can not be produced.

So show us the isolate, and we will shut up about it, chuckle
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No proof for the RNA being of viral origin
Now the question is: What is required first for virus isolation/proof? We need to know where the RNA for which the PCR tests are calibrated comes from.

As textbooks (e.g., White/Fenner. Medical Virology, 1986, p. 9) as well as leading virus researchers such as Luc Montagnier or Dominic Dwyer state, particle purification — i.e. the separation of an object from everything else that is not that object, as for instance Nobel laureate Marie Curie purified 100 mg of radium chloride in 1898 by extracting it from tons of pitchblende — is an essential pre-requisite for proving the existence of a virus, and thus to prove that the RNA from the particle in question comes from a new virus.

The reason for this is that PCR is extremely sensitive, which means it can detect even the smallest pieces of DNA or RNA — but it cannot determine where these particles came from. That has to be determined beforehand.

And because the PCR tests are calibrated for gene sequences (in this case RNA sequences because SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be a RNA virus), we have to know that these gene snippets are part of the looked-for virus. And to know that, correct isolation and purification of the presumed virus has to be executed.

Hence, we have asked the science teams of the relevant papers which are referred to in the context of SARS-CoV-2 for proof whether the electron-microscopic shots depicted in their in vitro experiments show purified viruses.

But not a single team could answer that question with “yes” — and NB., nobody said purification was not a necessary step. We only got answers like “No, we did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification” (see below).

We asked several study authors “Do your electron micrographs show the purified virus?”, they gave the following responses:

Study 1: Leo L. M. Poon; Malik Peiris. “Emergence of a novel human coronavirus threatening human health” Nature Medicine, March 2020
Replying Author: Malik Peiris
Date: May 12, 2020
Answer: “The image is the virus budding from an infected cell. It is not purified virus.”

Study 2: Myung-Guk Han et al. “Identification of Coronavirus Isolated from a Patient in Korea with COVID-19”, Osong Public Health and Research Perspectives, February 2020
Replying Author: Myung-Guk Han
Date: May 6, 2020
Answer: “We could not estimate the degree of purification because we do not purify and concentrate the virus cultured in cells.”

Study 3: Wan Beom Park et al. “Virus Isolation from the First Patient with SARS-CoV-2 in Korea”, Journal of Korean Medical Science, February 24, 2020
Replying Author: Wan Beom Park
Date: March 19, 2020
Answer: “We did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification.”

Study 4: Na Zhu et al., “A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China”, 2019, New England Journal of Medicine, February 20, 2020
Replying Author: Wenjie Tan
Date: March 18, 2020
Answer: “[We show] an image of sedimented virus particles, not purified ones.”

Regarding the mentioned papers it is clear that what is shown in the electron micrographs (EMs) is the end result of the experiment, meaning there is no other result that they could have made EMs from.

That is to say, if the authors of these studies concede that their published EMs do not show purified particles, then they definitely do not possess purified particles claimed to be viral. (In this context, it has to be remarked that some researchers use the term “isolation” in their papers, but the procedures described therein do not represent a proper isolation (purification) process. Consequently, in this context the term “isolation” is misused).

Thus, the authors of four of the principal, early 2020 papers claiming discovery of a new coronavirus concede they had no proof that the origin of the virus genome was viral-like particles or cellular debris, pure or impure, or particles of any kind. In other words, the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact.

We have also contacted Dr Charles Calisher, who is a seasoned virologist. In 2001, Science published an “impassioned plea…to the younger generation” from several veteran virologists, among them Calisher, saying that:

[modern virus detection methods like] sleek polymerase chain reaction […] tell little or nothing about how a virus multiplies, which animals carry it, [or] how it makes people sick. [It is] like trying to say whether somebody has bad breath by looking at his fingerprint.”[3]

And that’s why we asked Dr Calisher whether he knows one single paper in which SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and finally really purified. His answer:

I know of no such a publication. I have kept an eye out for one.”[4]

This actually means that one cannot conclude that the RNA gene sequences, which the scientists took from the tissue samples prepared in the mentioned in vitro trials and for which the PCR tests are finally being “calibrated,” belong to a specific virus — in this case SARS-CoV-2.

In addition, there is no scientific proof that those RNA sequences are the causative agent of what is called COVID-19.

In order to establish a causal connection, one way or the other, i.e. beyond virus isolation and purification, it would have been absolutely necessary to carry out an experiment that satisfies the four Koch’s postulates. But there is no such experiment, as Amory Devereux and Rosemary Frei recently revealed for OffGuardian.

The necessity to fulfill these postulates regarding SARS-CoV-2 is demonstrated not least by the fact that attempts have been made to fulfill them. But even researchers claiming they have done it, in reality, did not succeed.

One example is a study published in Nature on May 7. This trial, besides other procedures which render the study invalid, did not meet any of the postulates.

For instance, the alleged “infected” laboratory mice did not show any relevant clinical symptoms clearly attributable to pneumonia, which according to the third postulate should actually occur if a dangerous and potentially deadly virus was really at work there. And the slight bristles and weight loss, which were observed temporarily in the animals are negligible, not only because they could have been caused by the procedure itself, but also because the weight went back to normal again.

Also, no animal died except those they killed to perform the autopsies. And let’s not forget: These experiments should have been done before developing a test, which is not the case.

Revealingly, none of the leading German representatives of the official theory about SARS-Cov-2/COVID-19 — the Robert Koch-Institute (RKI), Alexander S. Kekulé (University of Halle), Hartmut Hengel and Ralf Bartenschlager (German Society for Virology), the aforementioned Thomas Löscher, Ulrich Dirnagl (Charité Berlin) or Georg Bornkamm (virologist and professor emeritus at the Helmholtz-Zentrum Munich) — could answer the following question I have sent them:

If the particles that are claimed to be to be SARS-CoV-2 have not been purified, how do you want to be sure that the RNA gene sequences of these particles belong to a specific new virus?

Particularly, if there are studies showing that substances such as antibiotics that are added to the test tubes in the in vitro experiments carried out for virus detection can “stress” the cell culture in a way that new gene sequences are being formed that were not previously detectable — an aspect that Nobel laureate Barbara McClintock already drew attention to in her Nobel Lecture back in 1983.

It should not go unmentioned that we finally got the Charité – the employer of Christian Drosten, Germany’s most influential virologist in respect of COVID-19, advisor to the German government and co-developer of the PCR test which was the first to be “accepted” (not validated!) by the WHO worldwide – to answer questions on the topic.

But we didn’t get answers until June 18, 2020, after months of non-response. In the end, we achieved it only with the help of Berlin lawyer Viviane Fischer.

Regarding our question “Has the Charité convinced itself that appropriate particle purification was carried out?,” the Charité concedes that they didn’t use purified particles.

And although they claim “virologists at the Charité are sure that they are testing for the virus,” in their paper (Corman et al.) they state:

RNA was extracted from clinical samples with the MagNA Pure 96 system (Roche, Penzberg, Germany) and from cell culture supernatants with the viral RNA mini kit (QIAGEN, Hilden, Germany),”

Which means they just assumed the RNA was viral.

Incidentally, the Corman et al. paper, published on January 23, 2020 didn’t even go through a proper peer review process, nor were the procedures outlined therein accompanied by controls — although it is only through these two things that scientific work becomes really solid.

Where are the ethical scientists these days?
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RE: Prof Luc Montagnier Nobel for HIV confirmed Viruses was artificially created
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No proof for the RNA being of viral origin
Now the question is: What is required first for virus isolation/proof? We need to know where the RNA for which the PCR tests are calibrated comes from.

As textbooks (e.g., White/Fenner. Medical Virology, 1986, p. 9) as well as leading virus researchers such as Luc Montagnier or Dominic Dwyer state, particle purification — i.e. the separation of an object from everything else that is not that object, as for instance Nobel laureate Marie Curie purified 100 mg of radium chloride in 1898 by extracting it from tons of pitchblende — is an essential pre-requisite for proving the existence of a virus, and thus to prove that the RNA from the particle in question comes from a new virus.

The reason for this is that PCR is extremely sensitive, which means it can detect even the smallest pieces of DNA or RNA — but it cannot determine where these particles came from. That has to be determined beforehand.

And because the PCR tests are calibrated for gene sequences (in this case RNA sequences because SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be a RNA virus), we have to know that these gene snippets are part of the looked-for virus. And to know that, correct isolation and purification of the presumed virus has to be executed.

Hence, we have asked the science teams of the relevant papers which are referred to in the context of SARS-CoV-2 for proof whether the electron-microscopic shots depicted in their in vitro experiments show purified viruses.

But not a single team could answer that question with “yes” — and NB., nobody said purification was not a necessary step. We only got answers like “No, we did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification” (see below).

We asked several study authors “Do your electron micrographs show the purified virus?”, they gave the following responses:

Study 1: Leo L. M. Poon; Malik Peiris. “Emergence of a novel human coronavirus threatening human health” Nature Medicine, March 2020
Replying Author: Malik Peiris
Date: May 12, 2020
Answer: “The image is the virus budding from an infected cell. It is not purified virus.”

Study 2: Myung-Guk Han et al. “Identification of Coronavirus Isolated from a Patient in Korea with COVID-19”, Osong Public Health and Research Perspectives, February 2020
Replying Author: Myung-Guk Han
Date: May 6, 2020
Answer: “We could not estimate the degree of purification because we do not purify and concentrate the virus cultured in cells.”

Study 3: Wan Beom Park et al. “Virus Isolation from the First Patient with SARS-CoV-2 in Korea”, Journal of Korean Medical Science, February 24, 2020
Replying Author: Wan Beom Park
Date: March 19, 2020
Answer: “We did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification.”

Study 4: Na Zhu et al., “A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China”, 2019, New England Journal of Medicine, February 20, 2020
Replying Author: Wenjie Tan
Date: March 18, 2020
Answer: “[We show] an image of sedimented virus particles, not purified ones.”

Regarding the mentioned papers it is clear that what is shown in the electron micrographs (EMs) is the end result of the experiment, meaning there is no other result that they could have made EMs from.

That is to say, if the authors of these studies concede that their published EMs do not show purified particles, then they definitely do not possess purified particles claimed to be viral. (In this context, it has to be remarked that some researchers use the term “isolation” in their papers, but the procedures described therein do not represent a proper isolation (purification) process. Consequently, in this context the term “isolation” is misused).

Thus, the authors of four of the principal, early 2020 papers claiming discovery of a new coronavirus concede they had no proof that the origin of the virus genome was viral-like particles or cellular debris, pure or impure, or particles of any kind. In other words, the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact.

We have also contacted Dr Charles Calisher, who is a seasoned virologist. In 2001, Science published an “impassioned plea…to the younger generation” from several veteran virologists, among them Calisher, saying that:

[modern virus detection methods like] sleek polymerase chain reaction […] tell little or nothing about how a virus multiplies, which animals carry it, [or] how it makes people sick. [It is] like trying to say whether somebody has bad breath by looking at his fingerprint.”[3]

And that’s why we asked Dr Calisher whether he knows one single paper in which SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and finally really purified. His answer:

I know of no such a publication. I have kept an eye out for one.”[4]

This actually means that one cannot conclude that the RNA gene sequences, which the scientists took from the tissue samples prepared in the mentioned in vitro trials and for which the PCR tests are finally being “calibrated,” belong to a specific virus — in this case SARS-CoV-2.

In addition, there is no scientific proof that those RNA sequences are the causative agent of what is called COVID-19.

In order to establish a causal connection, one way or the other, i.e. beyond virus isolation and purification, it would have been absolutely necessary to carry out an experiment that satisfies the four Koch’s postulates. But there is no such experiment, as Amory Devereux and Rosemary Frei recently revealed for OffGuardian.

The necessity to fulfill these postulates regarding SARS-CoV-2 is demonstrated not least by the fact that attempts have been made to fulfill them. But even researchers claiming they have done it, in reality, did not succeed.

One example is a study published in Nature on May 7. This trial, besides other procedures which render the study invalid, did not meet any of the postulates.

For instance, the alleged “infected” laboratory mice did not show any relevant clinical symptoms clearly attributable to pneumonia, which according to the third postulate should actually occur if a dangerous and potentially deadly virus was really at work there. And the slight bristles and weight loss, which were observed temporarily in the animals are negligible, not only because they could have been caused by the procedure itself, but also because the weight went back to normal again.

Also, no animal died except those they killed to perform the autopsies. And let’s not forget: These experiments should have been done before developing a test, which is not the case.

Revealingly, none of the leading German representatives of the official theory about SARS-Cov-2/COVID-19 — the Robert Koch-Institute (RKI), Alexander S. Kekulé (University of Halle), Hartmut Hengel and Ralf Bartenschlager (German Society for Virology), the aforementioned Thomas Löscher, Ulrich Dirnagl (Charité Berlin) or Georg Bornkamm (virologist and professor emeritus at the Helmholtz-Zentrum Munich) — could answer the following question I have sent them:

If the particles that are claimed to be to be SARS-CoV-2 have not been purified, how do you want to be sure that the RNA gene sequences of these particles belong to a specific new virus?

Particularly, if there are studies showing that substances such as antibiotics that are added to the test tubes in the in vitro experiments carried out for virus detection can “stress” the cell culture in a way that new gene sequences are being formed that were not previously detectable — an aspect that Nobel laureate Barbara McClintock already drew attention to in her Nobel Lecture back in 1983.

It should not go unmentioned that we finally got the Charité – the employer of Christian Drosten, Germany’s most influential virologist in respect of COVID-19, advisor to the German government and co-developer of the PCR test which was the first to be “accepted” (not validated!) by the WHO worldwide – to answer questions on the topic.

But we didn’t get answers until June 18, 2020, after months of non-response. In the end, we achieved it only with the help of Berlin lawyer Viviane Fischer.

Regarding our question “Has the Charité convinced itself that appropriate particle purification was carried out?,” the Charité concedes that they didn’t use purified particles.

And although they claim “virologists at the Charité are sure that they are testing for the virus,” in their paper (Corman et al.) they state:

RNA was extracted from clinical samples with the MagNA Pure 96 system (Roche, Penzberg, Germany) and from cell culture supernatants with the viral RNA mini kit (QIAGEN, Hilden, Germany),”

Which means they just assumed the RNA was viral.

Incidentally, the Corman et al. paper, published on January 23, 2020 didn’t even go through a proper peer review process, nor were the procedures outlined therein accompanied by controls — although it is only through these two things that scientific work becomes really solid.

Where are the ethical scientists these days?

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