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Karma works the other way around from what you think
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Excellent discussion. This statement The only thing that stores energy for us is our impeccability." -Carlos Castaneda, explains, answered a question I hadn't thought of yet, and I think is very profound.

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RE: Karma works the other way around from what you think
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-01-2020 07:07 PM)
Karma: the direct result of action or inaction.
Without getting philosophical, it's simply consequence of either good or bad action/inaction.

Didn't have to read a whole page to get it.


there are many interpretations of Karma
even in Hinduism and Buddhism and Taoism

there are as many interperations of Karma as there are isms

but for what it's worth
i believe you are correct
in it's simplest form and interpretation
Karma is simply ...


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Woo  Wrote: (10-01-2020 07:08 PM)
Excellent discussion. This statement The only thing that stores energy for us is our impeccability." -Carlos Castaneda, explains, answered a question I hadn't thought of yet, and I think is very profound.

Thank you

I've actually read through his books.
Fascinating stuff - i don't know how much I "believe" but I do accept anything is possible.

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The concept of the world as a system of precise compensations had vast influence on the Immortals. First, it made them invulnerable to pity ['place of no pity' is also a Castanedan concept, same book]. I have mentioned the ancient quarries that broke up the fields on the other side of the river; a man fell into the deepest one; he could not be hurt or die, but thirst burned him; it was seventy years before anybody threw him a rope. One's own destiny was likewise of no importance. The body was a submissive domestic animal and it had enough, each month, with the pittance of a few hours of sleep, of a little water and of a shred of meat. Let no one think we were only ascetics. There is no pleasure more complex than thought and we gave ourselves to it. Sometimes, an extraordinary stimulus restored us to the physical world. For example, that morning, the ancient elemental joy of rain. These lapses were extremely rare; all Immortals were capable of perfect quietness; I remember one I have never seen stand: a bird nested in his chest. -Jorge Luis Borges, "The Immortal", not surprisingly also the author's nickname by now.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/grav...uis-borges
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For a good time (ha! ha!), look up 'bird' in the same Castaneda book, or in the Borges story 'The approach to Almotasim'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Confer..._the_Birds

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Dust in the wind. All we are is dust in the wind.




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Koans relay a lot from the initiate context, the Gateless Gate (name of a book, look it up) being a good microcosm of the answer, which is substracting the observer from the observed.. if you were locked in a temple under strict discipline, whipped, cold and hungry until the answer surfaced, you might also boil over and eventually know. I could as well describe it in one sign:
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Karma isn't real except for a loose metaphor for causality.
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Bitterness is a lonely road ;)
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Lakeofmarch  Wrote: (10-01-2020 03:21 PM)
Now, I don't pretend to know what you think, but that seems the best way to approach it.. I have heard many times, from various teachers of all sorts, that good things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people, but after decades of not seeing it pan out that way at all, I've realized some more attention to the mechanics is well called for. As a human, each person is a precipitation of informational possibility into physical actualization, most of the time we all live in 'the cloud', but descend here to get a respite from its relentless laws. Tibetan Book of the Dead specifically mentions that souls 'fall' into a womb, that they fight reincarnation all the way but eventually lose the battle, get to see their parents going at it, and suddenly open their eyes and, well, they're floating in amnios. This makes some people angrier than it is pleasant to mention around the kids; the Chernobyl accident was caused by one particular soul furious to discover itself 10 weeks into a pregnancy.

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https://ultraculture.org/blog/2015/04/09...afterlife/

Anyway, once you're out in the conditioned world, and stuck with it, because you know perfectly, perfectly well that you can only get a pleasant afterlife through achievement of the goals and correction of the mistakes that made you end up wherever you did, you can try one of two routes. Either fight people, nature, and the inertia of moving bodies to make yourself strong, expecting to enshrine yourself on Earth or, at last resort, to buy your way into a higher heaven, or, if you're not up to such a harsh task, try to be gentle, not cause trouble, escape the notice of the powerful, and let the people around you walk all over you every day because you figure they must be better than your blasted little skeleton somehow. Those two possibilities are both extremely pagan, and the Romans/Greeks, or today every Third World civilization, understands precisely how the mindset works, with all good things pile on one side of the scale (Power), and all undesirable ones on the other (lack of Power). So far, so good. Karma means everybody does their thing no questions asked, Dharma more or less the same, filial piety blossoms.

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That, dear reader, is the point in time at which alien invasion happened. You can describe it as the Fifth Root Race, people who live directly under the power of the Lord of the World, which was originally a very real civilization in a now-dry lake in Central Asia, where the Tocharian mummies were found. Systems like the above weren't perpetually threatened by revolution and guillotines, they were not, and are not, decadent or doomed to fail or anything like that.. they ran a 30,000 year civilization without destroying the planet. Populations stayed small because conditions were so dismal, Truth could be widely disseminated because everyone understood they really might profit by it, and even oppression developed a gentle hand because systems of low friction let everybody had nice things. But when the invaders came, quite possibly at the Mayan calendar start date of 3114 BC, which matches the start of Sumer and Egypt in somewhat known history, things started going down in a big way.




Balance was overturned in favor of a society that lived on pillage. All the old ways were trampled under, humiliated, and turned over to fuel for the giant imperial machine. “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” (-Frederick Bastiat). It was called the Kurgan invasion, think Conan the Barbarian, and Marija Gimbutas has been variously maligned for revealing that flagrant truth.. Eden was a state of mind, a location (several, in fact), and a way of doing things that kept the planet spinning smoothly and without regret for uncounted eons. You can trace this in Jared Diamond's "Collapse" as he describes agricultural civilizations that destroyed their landscape through plowing, or in Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael" going over the same ground, as it relates to the Garden of Eden and various hunter-gatherers. Gobelki Tepe is definitely in there somewhere.




https://jackdempseywriter.wordpress.com/...phe-cycle/
What does all this have to do with karma today? Causes and consequences! Letting the system stand ensnares everyone and continues to destroy the coherence of the soul machine.. stringing things along in such a way that more of Nature is devastated is answered by oppressed millions, living and dead, who know that is not the way forward. Helping is harming; revelation is destruction; to cure is to sicken. The Midwestern bible-bashing soil-devastating white-bread farmer ethos becomes (is revealed as) a death cult, and the plain facts of big-city life become a fractal abomination that drives people mad. Everything has to return, and it is returning, and the 'great reset' goes fascinatingly, impressively deeper than you thought.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2009/11/...desh-wells

really I didnt read all that, not , ya really I just didn't I also didn't read my Holy Bible today. just didnt
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I believe in seed time and harvest, being somewhat , lets say small farmer, that makes sense to me

the Creator shows us

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Just Cause and effect.

Is Karma so banal? Can the one trite line or two of explanation be all there is? Life, physical existence, wrapped up in an easily digested little package. All the nuance, intrigue, complexity of time and space, just a subterfuge, a shadow puppet of the banal unemotional, unencumbered, reasonless dynamic of cause and effect? Maybe

I think there is more to it
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Lakeofmarch  Wrote: (10-01-2020 03:21 PM)
Wall of text crits you for 9999 damage

As a non-delusional person, I realize that I have no knowledge of the true nature of the Universe, nor have the answers to the biggest questions man can ask.

That being said, what I see in your post is a whole lot of unvetted, unverifiable information, being treated as though it were a proven fact, which tells me two things about you;

1. The part of your brain responsible for evaluating the difference between ideas and facts is failing you, to the point where you may be fully delusional.

2. Your desire to assert the notion that you know more about the Universe than others is likely rooted in a deep inferiority complex, which you may lack the insight to even be aware of.
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DSMith  Wrote: (10-01-2020 08:24 PM)
Just Cause and effect.

Is Karma so banal? Can the one trite line or two of explanation be all there is? Life, physical existence, wrapped up in an easily digested little package. All the nuance, intrigue, complexity of time and space, just a subterfuge, a shadow puppet of the banal unemotional, unencumbered, reasonless dynamic of cause and effect? Maybe

I think there is more to it

theres that white throne judgement were you will be judged

kind of unavoidable

you choose in this life, then judgement

Speak...you do matter....not only one....ALL
there are no people inferior to others or people superior to others
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RE: Karma works the other way around from what you think
aaaaaaa  Wrote: (10-01-2020 08:28 PM)
DSMith  Wrote: (10-01-2020 08:24 PM)
Just Cause and effect.

Is Karma so banal? Can the one trite line or two of explanation be all there is? Life, physical existence, wrapped up in an easily digested little package. All the nuance, intrigue, complexity of time and space, just a subterfuge, a shadow puppet of the banal unemotional, unencumbered, reasonless dynamic of cause and effect? Maybe

I think there is more to it

theres that white throne judgement were you will be judged

kind of unavoidable

you choose in this life, then judgement

treat others how you want to be treated

Speak...you do matter....not only one....ALL
there are no people inferior to others or people superior to others
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