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“the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
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10-17-2020 11:18 AM

 




Post: #1
“the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
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Quote:State censorship is not the only kind of censorship. Private-sector repression of speech and thought, particularly in the internet era, can be as dangerous and consequential. Imagine, for instance, if these two Silicon Valley giants united with Google to declare: henceforth we will ban all content that is critical of President Trump and/or the Republican Party, but will actively promote criticisms of Joe Biden and the Democrats.

Would anyone encounter difficultly understanding why such a decree would constitute dangerous corporate censorship? Would Democrats respond to such a policy by simply shrugging it off on the radical libertarian ground that private corporations have the right to do whatever they want? To ask that question is to answer it.

To begin with, Twitter and particularly Facebook are no ordinary companies. Facebook, as the owner not just of its massive social media platform but also other key communication services it has gobbled up such as Instagram and WhatsApp, is one of the most powerful companies ever to exist, if not the most powerful. In June, the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Commercial, and Administrative Law launched an investigation into the consolidated power of Facebook and three other companies — Google, Amazon and Apple — and just last week issued a sweeping report which, as Ars Technica explained, found:

Quote: Facebook outright “has monopoly power in the market for social networking,” and that power is “firmly entrenched and unlikely to be eroded by competitive pressure” from anyone at all due to “high entry barriers—including strong network effects, high switching costs, and Facebook’s significant data advantage—that discourage direct competition by other firms to offer new products and services.”

In his New York Times op-ed last October, the left-wing expert on monopoly power Matt Stoller described Facebook and Google as “global monopolies sitting astride public discourse,” and recounted how bipartisan policy and legal changes designed to whittle away antitrust protections have bestowed the two tech giants with “a radical centralization of power over the flow of information.” And he warns that this unprecedented consolidation of control over our discourse is close to triggering “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”

I don't think this is an exaggeration at all. And shame on anyone who turns a blind eye to this creeping existenntial threat to democracy and journalism for partisan reasons.
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10-17-2020 11:21 AM

 




Post: #2
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
Quote:That is why in both the EU and increasingly the U.S., there are calls from across the political spectrum to either break up Facebook on antitrust and monopoly grounds or regulate it as a public utility, the way electric and water companies and AT&T have been. Almost nobody in the democratic world believes that Facebook is just some ordinary company that should be permitted to exercise unfettered power and act without constraints of any kind. Indeed, Facebook’s monumental political and economic power — greater than most if not all the governments of nation-states — is the major impediment to such reforms.

Beyond that, both Facebook and Twitter receive substantial, unique legal benefits from federal law, further negating the claim that they are free to do whatever they want as private companies. Just as is true of Major League Baseball — which is subject to regulation by Congress as a result of the antitrust exemption they enjoy under the law — these social media companies receive a very valuable and particularized legal benefit in the form of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which shields them from any liability for content published on their platforms, including defamatory material or other legally proscribed communications.
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10-17-2020 11:30 AM

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Post: #3
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
So, Facebook and Twitter refuses to spread Russian Propaganda.

.. I say Good!!

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10-17-2020 11:33 AM

 




Post: #4
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
Truth and honesty are sexy. Throw out your biases and open your mind.
Perception is so often not reality. The social dilemma is real, choose to be free for the win, and be thankful for what you have.
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10-17-2020 11:34 AM

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Post: #5
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-17-2020 11:33 AM)
Truth and honesty are sexy. Throw out your biases and open your mind.
Perception is so often not reality. The social dilemma is real, choose to be free for the win, and be thankful for what you have.

I don't see your point there.

Russia fed bullshit to Gulliani.


That is news?

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10-17-2020 11:35 AM

 




Post: #6
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
Upside Down  Wrote: (10-17-2020 11:30 AM)
So, Facebook and Twitter refuses to spread Russian Propaganda.

.. I say Good!!

it isn't russian propaganda. That's idiotic. The Post is the third oldest newspaper in the US and one of the largest. It is staffed with good journalists and is as reputable as any paper you can find.

I triple dare you to find any credible evidence for Russian propaganda involved in this story.

But far beyond that, cheering corporate censorship when it serves your partisan agenda is to shamefully applaud the destruction of the core institutions that enable democracy to exist.
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Post: #7
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-17-2020 11:35 AM)
Upside Down  Wrote: (10-17-2020 11:30 AM)
So, Facebook and Twitter refuses to spread Russian Propaganda.

.. I say Good!!

it isn't russian propaganda. That's idiotic. The Post is the third oldest newspaper in the US and one of the largest. It is staffed with good journalists and is as reputable as any paper you can find.

I triple dare you to find any credible evidence for Russian propaganda involved in this story.

But far beyond that, cheering corporate censorship when it serves your partisan agenda is to shamefully applaud the destruction of the core institutions that enable democracy to exist.

you say too many key words to credible as a human to me.

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10-17-2020 12:28 PM

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Post: #9
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
Now the narrative is about how threatening Facebook and Twitter are. But that starts us down a dangerous path.

Of course they are a tremendous threat to the truth. But we must act in a way that preserves freedom of speech which, in this instance, includes their right to restrict speech on their property.

Stop using Facebook, Twitter, Google, Youtube, et al and encourage your friends and family to do the same. There are alternatives which don't engage in such behavior.

Daily Motion is a good website (although you can't embed it here for the time being). DuckDuckGo is better than it used to be, but Google is still the gold standard for good results. Just minimize your Google usage. DuckDuckGo can find most things.
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10-17-2020 12:37 PM

 




Post: #10
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
using social media by a private company with thier own agenda like a utility and letting it take over so people are born into knowing no different, growing up in cycles of depression and lack of offline thinking.. and every country letting it have free reign until sh*t gets serious and its too late..

bemoan journalisms fall all you want
but it started with all of us being blind, this is the true decline
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10-17-2020 01:10 PM

 




Post: #11
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
Homegrown bolshie tactic to get the tax donkeys to pay for their own surveillance via smart phones and censorship via social media sites and search engines.

Break up these companies.
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10-17-2020 01:14 PM

 




Post: #12
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
In other news, larry summers, former prez of harvard, is advocating a return to keynsian economics to help the latest of his group's wedge populations, the oppressed third worlders.

Maybe they got some intellectual property to merch or maybe they would just make good servants. Let's throw some more christian europeans to the lions, eh?
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10-17-2020 01:15 PM

 




Post: #13
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
starrynights  Wrote: (10-17-2020 12:28 PM)
Now the narrative is about how threatening Facebook and Twitter are. But that starts us down a dangerous path.

Of course they are a tremendous threat to the truth. But we must act in a way that preserves freedom of speech which, in this instance, includes their right to restrict speech on their property.

Stop using Facebook, Twitter, Google, Youtube, et al and encourage your friends and family to do the same. There are alternatives which don't engage in such behavior.

Daily Motion is a good website (although you can't embed it here for the time being). DuckDuckGo is better than it used to be, but Google is still the gold standard for good results. Just minimize your Google usage. DuckDuckGo can find most things.

Why?

Quote:That is why in both the EU and increasingly the U.S., there are calls from across the political spectrum to either break up Facebook on antitrust and monopoly grounds or regulate it as a public utility, the way electric and water companies and AT&T have been. Almost nobody in the democratic world believes that Facebook is just some ordinary company that should be permitted to exercise unfettered power and act without constraints of any kind. Indeed, Facebook’s monumental political and economic power — greater than most if not all the governments of nation-states — is the major impediment to such reforms.

Beyond that, both Facebook and Twitter receive substantial, unique legal benefits from federal law, further negating the claim that they are free to do whatever they want as private companies. Just as is true of Major League Baseball — which is subject to regulation by Congress as a result of the antitrust exemption they enjoy under the law — these social media companies receive a very valuable and particularized legal benefit in the form of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which shields them from any liability for content published on their platforms, including defamatory material or other legally proscribed communications.

why do they have a "right" to restrict speech on their property? Esp when they have legal benefits afforded to them that actually make them a utility subject to oversight?
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10-17-2020 01:16 PM

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Post: #14
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
Immediately 5 starred this very NB thread.

But there might be a little hope on our dark horizon down here.

Watch as Wolf Blitzer from CNN (who would have thought) slays the wicked witch of the west!!!!

Pelosi interview gets heated: You don’t know what you’re talking about
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Like a Goddamn Rock-star.!!!! Take back anything Negative I ever said about Wolf Blizter....

“Nelly, there is a strange change approaching; I'm in its shadow at present. I take so little interest in my daily life that I hardly remember to eat and drink.”

- Emily Jane Brontë, Wuthering Heights
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10-17-2020 01:18 PM

 




Post: #15
RE: “the collapse of journalism and democracy.”
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-17-2020 01:10 PM)
Homegrown bolshie tactic to get the tax donkeys to pay for their own surveillance via smart phones and censorship via social media sites and search engines.

Break up these companies.

wise words
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