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Gestapo resurrected in Germany
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RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
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piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 06:15 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 06:06 PM)
No but everyone gets drawn down the same path, Germany was not alone then or now..
Germany was attacking without any reason almost every nation in the world ,killing their civilians and robbing their countries.

Those that obeyed got only robbed but spared of mass deaths.

Why do you think is called the Holocaust?

No nation on this planet killed more than six million of people belonging to the same ethnicity ,just because they were referred as inferior beings.

Just imagine.

In modern times only US killed couple of millions of Arabs just to rob their countries of oil which brings them on the second place after Germany.



Even in my history classes (in Montreal, Canada) my professor(s) acknowledged (this is back in the 1970s) that Hitler's "attacks" were for strategic reasons, and they demonstrated on the map of Europe. (Was quite an eye-opener).
1939 September, Britain and France declares war on Germany - as a result of the invasion of Poland. Curiously, they "forgot" to declare war on the Soviet Union, when they invaded Poland from the East two weeks later. Hmmm...

Anyway, this is the time to look at the map.

The Baltic sea is Germany's underbelly, highly vulnerable. The British are a sea power and they have declared war on Germany. So they secured the choke point (Norway and Denmark) to the Baltic Sea. Result: The Brits cannot get into the Baltic Sea. Yup, they invaded the two countries, however, the strategic vulnerability was eliminated. An aside: they limited their military presence to the strategically important areas.
Sweden is neutral and an important source of iron ore and steel. Besides, they are not located at the choke point to the Baltic Sea. (20th century wars run on STEEL and oil).
Next is France - also in a declared war with Germany. The Maginot line is a tough nut.
So he goes through Belgium to avoid the Maginot line. Not nice, in fact nasty, but strategically sound, and it's WAR. No, it's not about attaining "world power"and such phantasmagorias, it's to limit losses to the German army by bleeding away at the Maginot line.
France collapses in two weeks. France is not annexed or anything, but the militarily important part is occupied (the Channel and access to the Atlantic. The rest of France remains under French control (The Vichy France/government). Holland is a strategic military casualty too, they also get military occupation, but no annexation, they're just being at the wrong place at the wrong time - on the Channel, way too close to Britain...

The South:
All North Africa is British controlled, with significant military presence. Don't forget the declared war on Germany by Britain, OK?
Vulnerable areas for British landing: Greece and Yugoslavia; northern side of the Mediterranean. From there they can cut off the Ploesti (Romania) oil fields; absolutely vital for Germany. So they got invaded and occupied also; they are also at the wrong place...
It is STILL not about the nutty notions of "world conquest" but the strategic military imperatives of the situation.
If you can think like a war-strategist general, you'd do the SAME, it's cold-blooded militarily and strategically logical and rational, nothing to do with ideology, Hitler, "world conquest" or the tooth fairy, but not losing a war you haven't initiated with the British and the French, but THEY did...
The other North-Mediterranean countries are Italy (an ally), Vichy France (a puppet) and Spain (a sympathetic friend).

This is the REAL story of the European Nazi invasions. Not as fanciful and grandiose as the propaganda (World domination and such), but just mundane, rational, strategic military decisions in a WAR...

Stalin's Soviet Union has its own story, but let it suffice, that we KNOW for a FACT, that Stalin planned to invade Germany. The Germans got intel on it, and Hitler beat him by 2 to 4 weeks... Yup it's that simple...

History is not a propaganda fantasy.
It's cause and effect.
Except the REAL causes are often substituted with simpleton LIES (by the winners), and the simpletons (like you) believe it instead of finding out the truth.

I was lucky with good and objective truth-seeking professors giving me a foundation to seek the TRUTH; the REAL events and causes.

I still remember my prof's comment in History 101. "Forget everything you learned in high school and saw in the movies. Most of it is nonsense and propaganda" (this is in the middle 1970s).

I know of some history buffs, who collect history books but ONLY if written and published BEFORE 1970 - the latest, but preferably before 1965. The massive, big lies about History started about the second half of the 1960s...
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RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
I do not know whether Jerusalem understood that if I destroyed him, it was in order to destroy my pity. Before my eyes, he was no longer a man, not even a Jew; he had become a symbol of a detested zone of my soul. I agonized with him, I died with him, I have somehow lost myself with him; for that reason, I was merciless. Meanwhile, the great days and the great nights of a happy war spun over us. In the air we breathed there was a feeling similar to love. As if suddenly the sea was close by, there was awe and exaltation in the blood. Everything, in those years, was different, even the taste of sleep. (...) An implacable age now looms over the world. We hammered it into being, we who are already its victim. What does it matter that England be the hammer and we the anvil? The important thing is for violence to rule, and not servile Christian timidities. -Jorge Luis Borges, "Deutsches Requiem".
https://www.literatura.us/borges/deutsches.html
Same stars over us as 1939-1942.. the metaphor is completely appropriate.
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Post: #33
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 09:34 PM)
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 06:15 PM)
Germany was attacking without any reason almost every nation in the world ,killing their civilians and robbing their countries.

Those that obeyed got only robbed but spared of mass deaths.

Why do you think is called the Holocaust?

No nation on this planet killed more than six million of people belonging to the same ethnicity ,just because they were referred as inferior beings.

Just imagine.

In modern times only US killed couple of millions of Arabs just to rob their countries of oil which brings them on the second place after Germany.



Even in my history classes (in Montreal, Canada) my professor(s) acknowledged (this is back in the 1970s) that Hitler's "attacks" were for strategic reasons, and they demonstrated on the map of Europe. (Was quite an eye-opener).
1939 September, Britain and France declares war on Germany - as a result of the invasion of Poland. Curiously, they "forgot" to declare war on the Soviet Union, when they invaded Poland from the East two weeks later. Hmmm...

Anyway, this is the time to look at the map.

The Baltic sea is Germany's underbelly, highly vulnerable. The British are a sea power and they have declared war on Germany. So they secured the choke point (Norway and Denmark) to the Baltic Sea. Result: The Brits cannot get into the Baltic Sea. Yup, they invaded the two countries, however, the strategic vulnerability was eliminated. An aside: they limited their military presence to the strategically important areas.
Sweden is neutral and an important source of iron ore and steel. Besides, they are not located at the choke point to the Baltic Sea. (20th century wars run on STEEL and oil).
Next is France - also in a declared war with Germany. The Maginot line is a tough nut.
So he goes through Belgium to avoid the Maginot line. Not nice, in fact nasty, but strategically sound, and it's WAR. No, it's not about attaining "world power"and such phantasmagorias, it's to limit losses to the German army by bleeding away at the Maginot line.
France collapses in two weeks. France is not annexed or anything, but the militarily important part is occupied (the Channel and access to the Atlantic. The rest of France remains under French control (The Vichy France/government). Holland is a strategic military casualty too, they also get military occupation, but no annexation, they're just being at the wrong place at the wrong time - on the Channel, way too close to Britain...

The South:
All North Africa is British controlled, with significant military presence. Don't forget the declared war on Germany by Britain, OK?
Vulnerable areas for British landing: Greece and Yugoslavia; northern side of the Mediterranean. From there they can cut off the Ploesti (Romania) oil fields; absolutely vital for Germany. So they got invaded and occupied also; they are also at the wrong place...
It is STILL not about the nutty notions of "world conquest" but the strategic military imperatives of the situation.
If you can think like a war-strategist general, you'd do the SAME, it's cold-blooded militarily and strategically logical and rational, nothing to do with ideology, Hitler, "world conquest" or the tooth fairy, but not losing a war you haven't initiated with the British and the French, but THEY did...
The other North-Mediterranean countries are Italy (an ally), Vichy France (a puppet) and Spain (a sympathetic friend).

This is the REAL story of the European Nazi invasions. Not as fanciful and grandiose as the propaganda (World domination and such), but just mundane, rational, strategic military decisions in a WAR...

Stalin's Soviet Union has its own story, but let it suffice, that we KNOW for a FACT, that Stalin planned to invade Germany. The Germans got intel on it, and Hitler beat him by 2 to 4 weeks... Yup it's that simple...

History is not a propaganda fantasy.
It's cause and effect.
Except the REAL causes are often substituted with simpleton LIES (by the winners), and the simpletons (like you) believe it instead of finding out the truth.

I was lucky with good and objective truth-seeking professors giving me a foundation to seek the TRUTH; the REAL events and causes.

I still remember my prof's comment in History 101. "Forget everything you learned in high school and saw in the movies. Most of it is nonsense and propaganda" (this is in the middle 1970s).

I know of some history buffs, who collect history books but ONLY if written and published BEFORE 1970 - the latest, but preferably before 1965. The massive, big lies about History started about the second half of the 1960s...

Definitely you don't understand what more than 20 million people being killed without a reason means.

Gas chambers are real and not war strategy.

The propaganda is one and the cold reality is something else.

The dead speak more than any history book.They say they died in horrible pain starving in concentration camps being burned alive in furnaces.

While women and children were making piles of dead bodies in those gas chambers.

Healthy people that did nothing wrong to anyone but they were of a certain ethnicity.

And yes indoctrination can make you see this horror that can't be conceded,as war strategy...

Which is sad very sad.

Look into my eyes to see a Paradise of Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtHu0XFal0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7PY4vbQLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm9ui-26F0
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Post: #34
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 04:46 PM)
In this vid (live broadcast) a German physician, Dr. Andreas Noack is having an "unapproved" discussion about the China Virus (a.k.a. Covid 19). During the broadcast, the police breaks his door down screams at him to lay down, and arrests him. Don't know of the outcome and of his current situation.
Remember, this is a DOCTOR of medicine...
Based on my historical studies, in pre-1940 times, the Gestapo was not aggressive about non-political discussion (and the Vuhan Virus is supposed to be non-political). Actually, not even during the wartime, when the Gestapo came to arrest, they did not have these hyper-aggressive theatrics either.
Hitler may approve this Polizei/Gestapo behavior and tactic, but since the Gestapo did not use it in this hyper aggressive fashion I'm not convinced that he would...
THIS IS the real face of Fascism... ...And it is TODAY in Germany for "unapproved speech" ...
Vid: https://twitter.com/i/status/1329363308995104768

I'm glad that they have the other forum locked down also.

Please do not try to resurrect the f*cking thing.
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Post: #35
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 06:15 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 06:06 PM)
No but everyone gets drawn down the same path, Germany was not alone then or now..
Germany was attacking without any reason almost every nation in the world ,killing their civilians and robbing their countries.

Those that obeyed got only robbed but spared of mass deaths.

Why do you think is called the Holocaust?

No nation on this planet killed more than six million of people belonging to the same ethnicity ,just because they were referred as inferior beings.

Just imagine.

In modern times only US killed couple of millions of Arabs just to rob their countries of oil which brings them on the second place after Germany.



to be fair it starts somewhere at the small end, like right now the Police in the Uk do not represent the people of the UK, they are now political and police according to the media so they will kick and punch white working class males as they are an ok group to do that to, the tropes run out by the other side that the police work within are the same kinds of tropes used on the Jewish and those hated at that point,

So I do see us heading in the same direction, the last time the England Team made political "salutes" as they did today was the Nazi ones in the 1930s.... so yes, we are there again.. and it could just as easily start anywhere today and the British police could just as easily start shooting and killing the public as any other country.
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11-21-2020 10:21 PM

 




Post: #36
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:15 PM)
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 06:15 PM)
Germany was attacking without any reason almost every nation in the world ,killing their civilians and robbing their countries.

Those that obeyed got only robbed but spared of mass deaths.

Why do you think is called the Holocaust?

No nation on this planet killed more than six million of people belonging to the same ethnicity ,just because they were referred as inferior beings.

Just imagine.

In modern times only US killed couple of millions of Arabs just to rob their countries of oil which brings them on the second place after Germany.



to be fair it starts somewhere at the small end, like right now the Police in the Uk do not represent the people of the UK, they are now political and police according to the media so they will kick and punch white working class males as they are an ok group to do that to, the tropes run out by the other side that the police work within are the same kinds of tropes used on the Jewish and those hated at that point,

So I do see us heading in the same direction, the last time the England Team made political "salutes" as they did today was the Nazi ones in the 1930s.... so yes, we are there again.. and it could just as easily start anywhere today and the British police could just as easily start shooting and killing the public as any other country.

The police and health services are no longer public services there are pollical activists..
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Post: #37
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:15 PM)
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 06:15 PM)
Germany was attacking without any reason almost every nation in the world ,killing their civilians and robbing their countries.

Those that obeyed got only robbed but spared of mass deaths.

Why do you think is called the Holocaust?

No nation on this planet killed more than six million of people belonging to the same ethnicity ,just because they were referred as inferior beings.

Just imagine.

In modern times only US killed couple of millions of Arabs just to rob their countries of oil which brings them on the second place after Germany.



to be fair it starts somewhere at the small end, like right now the Police in the Uk do not represent the people of the UK, they are now political and police according to the media so they will kick and punch white working class males as they are an ok group to do that to, the tropes run out by the other side that the police work within are the same kinds of tropes used on the Jewish and those hated at that point,

So I do see us heading in the same direction, the last time the England Team made political "salutes" as they did today was the Nazi ones in the 1930s.... so yes, we are there again.. and it could just as easily start anywhere today and the British police could just as easily start shooting and killing the public as any other country.
By history as we know British police is one of the oldest in the world.

I don't think that will ever happen.

But never say never.Generally such actions are based on imbalance ,instability and inequity between social classes.And that wont be the first time happening in the kingdom.

Look into my eyes to see a Paradise of Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtHu0XFal0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7PY4vbQLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm9ui-26F0
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Post: #38
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:23 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:15 PM)
to be fair it starts somewhere at the small end, like right now the Police in the Uk do not represent the people of the UK, they are now political and police according to the media so they will kick and punch white working class males as they are an ok group to do that to, the tropes run out by the other side that the police work within are the same kinds of tropes used on the Jewish and those hated at that point,

So I do see us heading in the same direction, the last time the England Team made political "salutes" as they did today was the Nazi ones in the 1930s.... so yes, we are there again.. and it could just as easily start anywhere today and the British police could just as easily start shooting and killing the public as any other country.
By history as we know British police is one of the oldest in the world.

I don't think that will ever happen.

But never say never.Generally such actions are based on imbalance ,instability and inequity between social classes.And that wont be the first time happening in the kingdom.

Never say never, we do so appear to be repeating the 1930s and it concerns me that this stuff is appearing in so many countries (including my own) that it feels we are all at risk of going down that hell path again..
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Post: #39
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
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Albrecht Bear  Wrote: (11-21-2020 05:24 PM)
What on earth are you babbling about? The Gestapo civilised and subdued? What complete nonsense!!
I have a degree in History. I studied in two different languages and on two continents. I've read actual documents.
You DO NOT really KNOW the details, you have no factual reliable knowledge - the kind I have. I have even Russian (NKVD) information on Hitler and WW2, stuff which was not available to English historians but was, for ex-comblock historians. The Soviets took MOST of the NAZI Germany docs, and they had MORE German speakers than the US did to translate. (It was a social pride to speak German even in the Soviet Union)
What you think you "know" is about 50% propaganda - the so-called "history" written by the winners.

and I am a German grandmother you silly prick
my grandfather was an officer of SS
don't try to lecture me about Nazis

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RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:25 PM)
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:23 PM)
By history as we know British police is one of the oldest in the world.

I don't think that will ever happen.

But never say never.Generally such actions are based on imbalance ,instability and inequity between social classes.And that wont be the first time happening in the kingdom.

Never say never, we do so appear to be repeating the 1930s and it concerns me that this stuff is appearing in so many countries (including my own) that it feels we are all at risk of going down that hell path again..
of course it is,1930s was after a world war ,a pandemic and a great depression.

The common nominator with today's situation is money.

The Gulf wars played the main role in what we see today.

Of course with the main reason 9/11.

The only difference is nukes and that is the great danger no one sees it.Because they were used on civilians just twice decades ago.

And they are playing with Nuclear Fire with the lockdowns.

You are forced to stay on lockdown and wear a mask but nobody ever studied the social and Human effects of both on long term.

Just imagine how unconscious and unaware they are.



Look into my eyes to see a Paradise of Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtHu0XFal0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7PY4vbQLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm9ui-26F0
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Ok let's change the subject a little to the result of the elections and who the winner is:)




Look into my eyes to see a Paradise of Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtHu0XFal0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7PY4vbQLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm9ui-26F0
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Post: #42
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:35 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:25 PM)
Never say never, we do so appear to be repeating the 1930s and it concerns me that this stuff is appearing in so many countries (including my own) that it feels we are all at risk of going down that hell path again..
of course it is,1930s was after a world war ,a pandemic and a great depression.

The common nominator with today's situation is money.

The Gulf wars played the main role in what we see today.

Of course with the main reason 9/11.

The only difference is nukes and that is the great danger no one sees it.Because they were used on civilians just twice decades ago.

And they are playing with Nuclear Fire with the lockdowns.

You are forced to stay on lockdown and wear a mask but nobody ever studied the social and Human effects of both on long term.

Just imagine how unconscious and unaware they are.



I know the French are heavy handed, but things are getting out of control all over..

https://twitter.com/PeterRamsay2011/stat...7273250826

I feel we are reaching the tipping point that started with 9/11 and the religious wars in the ME, power, control and money reaching the crescendo moment like 1939...

the question I keep asking myself is which side I am on.. I can imagine it is easy to get lose on the dark side of all of this and think you are on the right side..
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Post: #43
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:48 PM)
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:35 PM)
of course it is,1930s was after a world war ,a pandemic and a great depression.

The common nominator with today's situation is money.

The Gulf wars played the main role in what we see today.

Of course with the main reason 9/11.

The only difference is nukes and that is the great danger no one sees it.Because they were used on civilians just twice decades ago.

And they are playing with Nuclear Fire with the lockdowns.

You are forced to stay on lockdown and wear a mask but nobody ever studied the social and Human effects of both on long term.

Just imagine how unconscious and unaware they are.



I know the French are heavy handed, but things are getting out of control all over..

https://twitter.com/PeterRamsay2011/stat...7273250826

I feel we are reaching the tipping point that started with 9/11 and the religious wars in the ME, power, control and money reaching the crescendo moment like 1939...

the question I keep asking myself is which side I am on.. I can imagine it is easy to get lose on the dark side of all of this and think you are on the right side..
In wars there are no sides just death.

Look into my eyes to see a Paradise of Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtHu0XFal0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7PY4vbQLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm9ui-26F0
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Post: #44
RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 04:46 PM)
In this vid (live broadcast) a German physician, Dr. Andreas Noack is having an "unapproved" discussion about the China Virus (a.k.a. Covid 19). During the broadcast, the police breaks his door down screams at him to lay down, and arrests him. Don't know of the outcome and of his current situation.
Remember, this is a DOCTOR of medicine...
Based on my historical studies, in pre-1940 times, the Gestapo was not aggressive about non-political discussion (and the Vuhan Virus is supposed to be non-political). Actually, not even during the wartime, when the Gestapo came to arrest, they did not have these hyper-aggressive theatrics either.
Hitler may approve this Polizei/Gestapo behavior and tactic, but since the Gestapo did not use it in this hyper aggressive fashion I'm not convinced that he would...
THIS IS the real face of Fascism... ...And it is TODAY in Germany for "unapproved speech" ...
Vid: https://twitter.com/i/status/1329363308995104768

Not a physician. A chemist. Not a doctor of medicine.

Maybe you are closer to Goebbels with your lie spreading?
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RE: Gestapo resurrected in Germany
piequal3because14  Wrote: (11-21-2020 11:06 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-21-2020 10:48 PM)
I know the French are heavy handed, but things are getting out of control all over..

https://twitter.com/PeterRamsay2011/stat...7273250826

I feel we are reaching the tipping point that started with 9/11 and the religious wars in the ME, power, control and money reaching the crescendo moment like 1939...

the question I keep asking myself is which side I am on.. I can imagine it is easy to get lose on the dark side of all of this and think you are on the right side..
In wars there are no sides just death.

and there is doing the right thing... it is bad enough supporting what happened in the ME to later find that it was based on porky fibs, Blair said, his gov did not "do god" and in the end turns out he was using a bible to help him make his decisions.. that dramatically changes where I stood then and now on that one, it was certainly not for the kurds then...
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