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ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
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This is well worth watching.

New York Times reporter shocks Maddow saying all of Trump's pardons were for wealthy allies or 'his benefit'

"Calling it a "bizarre night," MSNBC host Rachel Maddow addressed the veto threat from President Donald Trump along with his slate of pardons for people involved in the Mueller investigation and murderers of unarmed civilians in Iraq.

Maddow noted that along with the names of the people he was pardoning he also added names of those who endorsed the pardon as if to bring them in as accomplices in the pardons.

New York Times reporter Michael Schmidt explained that there's a process through the Justice Department for pardons to ensure that those who are being pardoned match a kind of acknowledgment of grace and mercy.

"They've had the system to ensure that there's a uniform process to it," he told Maddow. "We know that Trump has ignored that process in his past pardons, that he has gone off and done things on his own. He's allowed Kim Kardashian into the Oval Office to lobby him for pardons. At first glance, when looking at these pardons tonight, it's clear that many of them don't even meet the basic criteria to receive a typical Justice Department recommendation for a pardon."

He continued: "So, that means that they operated essentially outside the system, that anyone could have gone to the White House and lobbied the president, Jared Kushner or anyone else in the West Wing for these directly. And it's that type of lobbying that people say is concerning because it allows the process to not be about grace and mercy. It allows it to be about connections and lobbying."

Schmidt also doubted that any of these pardons were approved by Attorney General Bill Barr as he was walking out of the Justice Department.

"It doesn't appear like the Justice Department was involved in many of these," he explained. "This has been a very White House-driven process. This has been the type of thing that the president because he has gotten rid of the typical way that pardons are looked at, it has allowed people to come in and to treat this as if they were lobbying for a company or lobbying for a bill."

Schmidt explained that Trump really enjoys the power that he gets from people coming up to him at events begging for pardons.

"It's something that the president can create instantaneous loyalty when he does," said Schmidt. "And because of that, if you look at the past numbers that he has granted, the pardons he has granted, of the 45 he granted up until today, 40 of the 45 -- 88 percent -- were either tied to one of his allies, someone who had special access to him, or was tied to something that politically benefited him personally."

That last piece of information was something that Maddow predicted would someday be heard in a Congressional hearing on the pardons.

See the video below:"





https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pardons-benefited-him/

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I requested a pardon for He Man's butthole
but Trump said there were too many victims involved.
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CNN, that’s your linkRofl: please reach adulthood someday He doesn’t even cash his paycheck. Come with proof or stay home looser !
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-24-2020 12:12 AM)
CNN, that’s your linkRofl: please reach adulthood someday He doesn’t even cash his paycheck. Come with proof or stay home looser !

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Trump's pardons make it impossible to hold a president accountable: Mueller prosecutor

"A senior prosecutor on special counsel Robert Mueller's team fears that President Donald Trump's new pardons essentially put the president above the law and guarantee that the Office of the Special Counsel is essentially powerless.

Speaking to MSNBC on Wednesday, Andrew Weissmann explained that the rule of law binds the Department of Justice when it decides who to prosecute and not to. The DOJ, he said, doesn't take into account the partisanship of the accused.

"We don't take into account whether somebody is a friend or foe of the president," he continued. "And what we're seeing is that the president, in exercising his constitutional power to pardon, is not taking into account what we're supposed to, which is the rule of law. No one in their right mind can say that convicted murderers, corrupt politicians, the largest healthcare fraud perpetrator ever, all deserve to be pardoned more than anyone else who is currently in custody. Yet, that is what this president has just done. So, your introduction about the -- this really being a frontal assault on the rule of law, I think, gets it exactly right."

Weissmann explained that there is a DOJ process that is followed for pardons where prosecutors, defense attorneys and White House staff look through the applicant to ensure everyone is considered equally.

"Obviously, in the -- in our past, there have been anomalies. mark rich is a classic example," he continued. "But usually, a president goes through those, and there is generally a history of having more pardons at the end of a term, but the idea here is that you are applying neutral principles to who gets a pardon in the same way the department of justice is supposed to apply neutral principles as to who it's going to prosecute and who it's not going to prosecute."

Two of the pardons were ones prosecuted by Mueller's team, which Weissmann said undermines the rule of law and power of the special counsel.

"If you look at the actual justification given by the White House for each of those pardons, I read the facts -- and I should put facts in air quotes -- and they left out so many damning facts, and they mischaracterized even the ones that they used to try and justify what they were doing," he continued. "On the bigger picture, it is really a bad precedent to not hold people to account who lie and obstruct a special counsel investigation, because if you think of the only tool that we have to hold the president and the presidency to the rule of law, it currently is just the special counsel rule."

He explained that it's the executive branch basically saying "it's fine to obstruct the investigation because the president -- the same president who was under investigation -- can encourage that investigation to be thwarted and lied to and obstructed, then there really is no way to hold the presidency to account. And that, I think, is the larger message of what we're seeing here."

Former Republican spokesperson Tim Miller predicted that the worse pardons are still to come from Trump and they likely include his children.

Watch the discussion below:"





https://www.rawstory.com/mueller-investi...mp-pardon/

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BREAKING"

Paul Manafort
Roger Stone
Charles Kushner

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lol It’s Obama that pardoned 1900 people for bribes. Notice how they won’t say it’s trump? 40 pardons versus 1900, hmmmmm
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Whirlydragon  Wrote: (12-24-2020 02:26 AM)
lol It’s Obama that pardoned 1900 people for bribes. Notice how they won’t say it’s trump? 40 pardons versus 1900, hmmmmm

Bullshit!
Educate yourself so you don't look so foolish.
Obama pardoned 212 people in his 8 yrs.

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He Man  Wrote: (12-24-2020 02:06 AM)
Trump's pardons make it impossible to hold a president accountable: Mueller prosecutor

"A senior prosecutor on special counsel Robert Mueller's team fears that President Donald Trump's new pardons essentially put the president above the law and guarantee that the Office of the Special Counsel is essentially powerless.

Speaking to MSNBC on Wednesday, Andrew Weissmann explained that the rule of law binds the Department of Justice when it decides who to prosecute and not to. The DOJ, he said, doesn't take into account the partisanship of the accused.

"We don't take into account whether somebody is a friend or foe of the president," he continued. "And what we're seeing is that the president, in exercising his constitutional power to pardon, is not taking into account what we're supposed to, which is the rule of law. No one in their right mind can say that convicted murderers, corrupt politicians, the largest healthcare fraud perpetrator ever, all deserve to be pardoned more than anyone else who is currently in custody. Yet, that is what this president has just done. So, your introduction about the -- this really being a frontal assault on the rule of law, I think, gets it exactly right."

Weissmann explained that there is a DOJ process that is followed for pardons where prosecutors, defense attorneys and White House staff look through the applicant to ensure everyone is considered equally.

"Obviously, in the -- in our past, there have been anomalies. mark rich is a classic example," he continued. "But usually, a president goes through those, and there is generally a history of having more pardons at the end of a term, but the idea here is that you are applying neutral principles to who gets a pardon in the same way the department of justice is supposed to apply neutral principles as to who it's going to prosecute and who it's not going to prosecute."

Two of the pardons were ones prosecuted by Mueller's team, which Weissmann said undermines the rule of law and power of the special counsel.

"If you look at the actual justification given by the White House for each of those pardons, I read the facts -- and I should put facts in air quotes -- and they left out so many damning facts, and they mischaracterized even the ones that they used to try and justify what they were doing," he continued. "On the bigger picture, it is really a bad precedent to not hold people to account who lie and obstruct a special counsel investigation, because if you think of the only tool that we have to hold the president and the presidency to the rule of law, it currently is just the special counsel rule."

He explained that it's the executive branch basically saying "it's fine to obstruct the investigation because the president -- the same president who was under investigation -- can encourage that investigation to be thwarted and lied to and obstructed, then there really is no way to hold the presidency to account. And that, I think, is the larger message of what we're seeing here."

Former Republican spokesperson Tim Miller predicted that the worse pardons are still to come from Trump and they likely include his children.

Watch the discussion below:"





https://www.rawstory.com/mueller-investi...mp-pardon/
Trump's actions, many devoid of ethics, have shown a lot of weaknesses caused by the supposition that no one like him could be elected and the Republican members of the House and Senate have shown that Congress cannot be counted upon for oversight of his office.

There is an urgent need to codify many norms that have been broken before the next despot-in-training takes office. That one may be an adult with intelligence and control over his/her emotions. This old fool came way too close to succeeding.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-24-2020 02:31 AM)
He Man  Wrote: (12-24-2020 02:06 AM)
Trump's pardons make it impossible to hold a president accountable: Mueller prosecutor

"A senior prosecutor on special counsel Robert Mueller's team fears that President Donald Trump's new pardons essentially put the president above the law and guarantee that the Office of the Special Counsel is essentially powerless.

Speaking to MSNBC on Wednesday, Andrew Weissmann explained that the rule of law binds the Department of Justice when it decides who to prosecute and not to. The DOJ, he said, doesn't take into account the partisanship of the accused.

"We don't take into account whether somebody is a friend or foe of the president," he continued. "And what we're seeing is that the president, in exercising his constitutional power to pardon, is not taking into account what we're supposed to, which is the rule of law. No one in their right mind can say that convicted murderers, corrupt politicians, the largest healthcare fraud perpetrator ever, all deserve to be pardoned more than anyone else who is currently in custody. Yet, that is what this president has just done. So, your introduction about the -- this really being a frontal assault on the rule of law, I think, gets it exactly right."

Weissmann explained that there is a DOJ process that is followed for pardons where prosecutors, defense attorneys and White House staff look through the applicant to ensure everyone is considered equally.

"Obviously, in the -- in our past, there have been anomalies. mark rich is a classic example," he continued. "But usually, a president goes through those, and there is generally a history of having more pardons at the end of a term, but the idea here is that you are applying neutral principles to who gets a pardon in the same way the department of justice is supposed to apply neutral principles as to who it's going to prosecute and who it's not going to prosecute."

Two of the pardons were ones prosecuted by Mueller's team, which Weissmann said undermines the rule of law and power of the special counsel.

"If you look at the actual justification given by the White House for each of those pardons, I read the facts -- and I should put facts in air quotes -- and they left out so many damning facts, and they mischaracterized even the ones that they used to try and justify what they were doing," he continued. "On the bigger picture, it is really a bad precedent to not hold people to account who lie and obstruct a special counsel investigation, because if you think of the only tool that we have to hold the president and the presidency to the rule of law, it currently is just the special counsel rule."

He explained that it's the executive branch basically saying "it's fine to obstruct the investigation because the president -- the same president who was under investigation -- can encourage that investigation to be thwarted and lied to and obstructed, then there really is no way to hold the presidency to account. And that, I think, is the larger message of what we're seeing here."

Former Republican spokesperson Tim Miller predicted that the worse pardons are still to come from Trump and they likely include his children.

Watch the discussion below:"





https://www.rawstory.com/mueller-investi...mp-pardon/
Trump's actions, many devoid of ethics, have shown a lot of weaknesses caused by the supposition that no one like him could be elected and the Republican members of the House and Senate have shown that Congress cannot be counted upon for oversight of his office.

There is an urgent need to codify many norms that have been broken before the next despot-in-training takes office. That one may be an adult with intelligence and control over his/her emotions. This old fool came way too close to succeeding.

Well said and what we've seen take place shows that the "American Experiment" as is, is a failure.

For starters:

1. A sitting president can be indicted.
2. Term limits on SCOTUS justices.

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northerntomcat  Wrote: (12-24-2020 02:43 AM)

Hunter's wife too.

"Former congressman Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.) — who prosecutors alleged used hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds to pay for family vacations and theater tickets, and even to facilitate extramarital affairs — had been facing an 11-month federal prison sentence. He pleaded guilty in 2019 to misusing campaign funds. Hunter notably won reelection while under federal indictment, only to later admit wrongdoing and resign.



Former congressman Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) had been serving a 26-month sentence for an insider-trading scheme and lying to the FBI. He, too, had pleaded guilty in the case.

Collins and Hunter were among Trump’s first congressional supporters and the investigations into their activities had long rankled the president, who would castigate his attorney general at the time, Jeff Sessions, for allowing the cases to move forward, according to White House officials and Trump advisers. Trump used to speak regularly to Collins.

Former congressman Steve Stockman (R-Tex.) was about two years into a 10-year sentence, having been convicted in 2018 of conspiring to take hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations that were meant for charity and voter education."



Updated list

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news...an-hunter/

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He Man  Wrote: (12-24-2020 02:03 AM)
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CNN, that’s your linkRofl: please reach adulthood someday He doesn’t even cash his paycheck. Come with proof or stay home looser !

Your stupidity is not my problem.

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