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ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
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"Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,[4] and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the war on drugs.[5]"

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"Andrew Weissmann, the lead prosecutor for former Special Counsel Robert Mueller, said that President Donald Trump could face charges over his recent pardons."

On Monday morning’s edition of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Willie Geist asked Weissmann about Trump’s recent pardons, particularly of associates like Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.

Asked his reaction to the Manafort pardon, Weissman said “the big picture here is really not related just to Manafort or Stone or Kushner, it’s really to look at the abuse of the rule of law here,” and added that Trump “is really a president who’s has a zero allegiance to the rule of law.”

“How clear are you that a pardon was dangled to Paul Manafort and to Roger Stone, that if they waited it out until the end, the end being yesterday, they would be pardoned?” Geist asked.

“That’s laid out in our report, that there were pardons that were dangled,”
Weissman replied, and described the effects those potential pardons had on the two men’s cooperation.

“And what we saw yesterday was essentially the president carrying out the final act of an obstruction of justice,” Weissman said, and added “So to your point about can the president currently be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, I think the answer is yes. There is substantial evidence of that. And what he did yesterday is going to be proof of that obstruction because it’s really the final act that fulfills the promise of the dangled pardons.”

Host Joe Scarborough then asked Weissman about comments that Mitch McConnell made during the uproar over then-President Bill Clinton’s pardon of Mark Rich

in which McConnell said “While the president alone possesses the power to pardon, it is important to remember that he is not personally exempt from federal laws that prohibit corrupt actions of all government officials.”

“If he used these pardons for corrupt purpose, to cover his tracks in a conspiracy that he was a part of, can the man not be brought up on charges after he leaves office?” Scarborough asked.

“The answer that question is yes,” Weissmann said.


“Starting on January 20th 2021, when President Trump is no longer the president, there is no longer a Department of Justice policy that prohibits indicting him, and the actions yesterday can be part of a charge that includes the obstruction of justice of the Mueller investigation.”

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So House Rep Chris Collins ® was caught on INSIDER TRADING at the White House. Financial crime. He has now been pardoned by Trump among those 20 he just pardoned.

Collins admits his own guilt accepting the pardon.

AND he cannot 'plead the 5th' in his own defense about it

https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/13...65568?s=20


https://twitter.com/jenna92821/status/13...90464?s=20

Pardons DON’T mean you can’t be subpoenaed or compelled to testify.
OR charged with perjury if you then lie.

They DO mean you can’t plead the 5th Amendment.
Because you’ve been #pardoned for the crime already.
https://twitter.com/Snozz_Wanger/status/...50945?s=20
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“During the conversation, Stone told Fineman that “[Trump] knows I was under enormous pressure to turn on him. It would have eased my situation considerably. But I didn’t.”
https://twitter.com/JazzyEBerry/status/1...98464?s=20



https://twitter.com/JohnAvlon/status/134...61285?s=20

PhD, MBA, cryptolinguist, intelligence pro, combat vet, Purple Heart, government hacker, 8 academic degrees & a PEDIATRIC ONCOLOGIST! Multiple aliases & SS numbers. Judgement against for raiding phony charity. Peak Trumpster
https://twitter.com/CynicalArmyWife/stat...87105?s=20

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It's a virtual mob crime free-for-all.. brought to you by the US administrative wing of government.
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THREAD. Remember that Manafort was the linchpin of Russia’s efforts with the Trump campaign. He was the one with direct contacts with Russian intel. He was the one sharing info with them. He was the one who owed a Russian oligarch $10m...but worked for the campaign for free

Manafort initially claimed to be cooperating with Mueller. But he wasn’t: In fact he was secretly continuing to do work for Ukraine, tampering with witnesses, and lying to Mueller’s team. Mueller discovered that Trump had been dangling a pardon behind the scenes



https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status...04704?s=20

And last year Gov. Cuomo signed a bill closing the so-called “pardon loophole,” which otherwise would have provided Manafort with statutory double-jeopardy protection if NY charged for the same conduct he was pardoned for

He is also continues to be a fair interview subject for FBI counterintelligence; and if he lies to them in such an interview, that’s a *new* crime and one that, after Jan. 20, his pal Trump won’t be around to help him with. SO,the story is not over for Manafort. /END
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“That’s what he said, that’s what I said, uh, that’s our position” is my favorite Paul Manafort video clip!

https://twitter.com/Cuprikorn66/status/1...59584?s=20



The secret source behind Sidney Powell’s “Kraken” lawsuits is reportedly a pro-Trump podcaster who allegedly once used funds raised for veterans’ graves for personal purchases instead, including meals at McDonald’s.

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status...43904?s=20


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This is a blatant admission of guilt that Trump knew all about wiki leaks and Roger's involvement.
Stone had the goods and Trump had the pardon power.




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Just had a long talk with #RogerStone. He says he doesn’t want a pardon (which implies guilt) but a commutation, and says he thinks #Trump will give it to him.

“He knows I was under enormous pressure to turn on him. It would have eased my situation considerably. But I didn’t.”

“If you want to influence Trump, you got to be the last guy he talks to."

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Sidney Powell’s secret intelligence contractor witness is a pro-Trump podcaster
Dec. 24, 2020 at 1:16 pm Updated Dec. 24, 2020 at 3:35 pm
By Jon Swaine
The Washington Post


WASHINGTON — As she asked the U.S. Supreme Court this month to overturn President Donald Trump’s election loss, the attorney Sidney Powell cited testimony from a secret witness presented as a former intelligence contractor with insights on a foreign conspiracy to subvert democracy.

Powell told courts that the witness is an expert who could show that overseas corporations helped shift votes to President-elect Joe Biden. The witness’s identity must be concealed from the public, Powell has said, to protect her “reputation, professional career and personal safety.”

The Washington Post identified the witness by determining that portions of her affidavit match, sometimes verbatim, a blog post that the pro-Trump podcaster Terpsichore Maras-Lindeman published in November 2019. In an interview, Maras-Lindeman confirmed that she wrote the affidavit and said she viewed it as her contribution to a fight against the theft of the election.

“This is everybody’s duty,” she said. “It’s just not fair.”

In a recent civil fraud case, attorneys for the state of North Dakota said that Maras-Lindeman falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called “a persistent effort … to deceive others.”

Powell’s reliance on Maras-Lindeman’s testimony may raise further questions about her judgment and the strength of her arguments at a time when she is becoming an increasingly influential adviser to the president. Trump’s legal team distanced itself from Powell last month after she falsely claimed Republican state officials took bribes to rig the election. But she has visited the White House three times in the past week, once to participate in an Oval Office meeting. Trump has weighed naming Powell a special counsel to investigate the election, according to previous reports.

Maras-Lindeman, 42, served in the Navy for less than a year more than two decades ago and has said she worked later as a government contractor and part-time interpreter. She has identified herself as a “trained cryptolinguist.”

North Dakota’s assertions about her credentials came in a civil case brought by the state’s attorney general in 2018 over a purported charitable event she tried to organize in Minot, N.D., where she and her family resided. Attorneys for the state said she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans’ graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald’s, QVC and elsewhere.

A judge ultimately found that Maras-Lindeman violated consumer protection laws by, among other things, misspending money she raised and soliciting donations while misrepresenting her experience and education. He ordered her to pay more than $25,000.

Maras-Lindeman has appealed to the state Supreme Court. In court filings and in her interview with The Post, she denied mishandling the funds or misleading donors. She blamed identity theft and bureaucratic failings for a proliferation of variations on her name and social security numbers associated with her.

Maras-Lindeman also claimed that she was targeted by the state for political reasons, noting that around that time she was exploring running for mayor of Minot — under the slogan “Make Minot Great Again.” She said that in 2018 she assisted the campaign of David Thompson, the Democratic challenger to longtime Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem, R. Thompson is now Maras-Lindeman’s defense attorney.

Thompson said in an interview that the case was a “vindictive exercise” and was excessive given the relatively small amounts of money in question. “They took a missile to kill a fly,” he said.

In an interview, Stenehjem — who signed a brief this month asking the Supreme Court to take up a case that sought to overturn the election — dismissed the claim that his investigation was politically motivated and said that anyone working with Maras-Lindeman should “back away” from her."


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https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-worl...podcaster/

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Ole' Sidney introduced him as "Spyder" chuckle


Sidney Powell’s ‘Military Intelligence Expert’ Witness Was Actually an Army Mechanic Who Never Worked in Military Intelligence: Report


https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/sy...ce-report/

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Dominion is also taking legal action against Sidney Powell.

It has sent letters to some of the witnesses in her lawsuits, including "Spider" (or "Spyder").

https://twitter.com/JayShams/status/1342...08000?s=20





JUST POSTED: A case study in how to get out of jail--if you are rich and have been convicted of largest Medicare fraud case in US history. Donate money to a charity. Get them to intervene with Trump. Boom. You are free.

And then there's this man, sentenced to life without parole for stealing $50 from a bakery. And served 36 years before someone figured out this was not right.

https://twitter.com/JillDLawrence/status...82113?s=20
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Isabella  Wrote: (12-25-2020 12:52 PM)
"Andrew Weissmann, the lead prosecutor for former Special Counsel Robert Mueller, said that President Donald Trump could face charges over his recent pardons."

On Monday morning’s edition of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Willie Geist asked Weissmann about Trump’s recent pardons, particularly of associates like Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.

Asked his reaction to the Manafort pardon, Weissman said “the big picture here is really not related just to Manafort or Stone or Kushner, it’s really to look at the abuse of the rule of law here,” and added that Trump “is really a president who’s has a zero allegiance to the rule of law.”

“How clear are you that a pardon was dangled to Paul Manafort and to Roger Stone, that if they waited it out until the end, the end being yesterday, they would be pardoned?” Geist asked.

“That’s laid out in our report, that there were pardons that were dangled,”
Weissman replied, and described the effects those potential pardons had on the two men’s cooperation.

“And what we saw yesterday was essentially the president carrying out the final act of an obstruction of justice,” Weissman said, and added “So to your point about can the president currently be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, I think the answer is yes. There is substantial evidence of that. And what he did yesterday is going to be proof of that obstruction because it’s really the final act that fulfills the promise of the dangled pardons.”

Host Joe Scarborough then asked Weissman about comments that Mitch McConnell made during the uproar over then-President Bill Clinton’s pardon of Mark Rich

in which McConnell said “While the president alone possesses the power to pardon, it is important to remember that he is not personally exempt from federal laws that prohibit corrupt actions of all government officials.”

“If he used these pardons for corrupt purpose, to cover his tracks in a conspiracy that he was a part of, can the man not be brought up on charges after he leaves office?” Scarborough asked.

“The answer that question is yes,” Weissmann said.


“Starting on January 20th 2021, when President Trump is no longer the president, there is no longer a Department of Justice policy that prohibits indicting him, and the actions yesterday can be part of a charge that includes the obstruction of justice of the Mueller investigation.”

What rules are there governing presidential pardons and other forms of executive clemency?

Quote:1. Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution grants the President of the United States the power to pardon any person convicted for or accused of federal crimes, except in cases of impeachment.
2. The president may not pardon persons convicted for or accused of violating state or local laws.
3. Through the power of “commutation of sentence,” the president may reduce or completely eliminate the prison sentences being served by persons convicted of federal crimes.
4. While he or she is not required to follow them, recommendations on all applications for presidential pardons must be prepared and submitted to the president by the U.S. Pardon Attorney of the Department of Justice.

https://www.thoughtco.com/presidential-p...es-4070815

Obama's long list.
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

Lots of things besides drug offenses in the list, but it's not surprising that a known drug user would grant executive clemency for drug offenses.

Trump's comparatively short list

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-g...nald-trump

Comparing the lists. they are more alike than they are different except in the number of cases.

I would say all the grousing about Trump comes down to being pissed off at the man (TDS) rather than any real complaints about what he has done in this case.
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