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ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
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Quote:Trump also pardoned former Ron Paul campaign aides John Tate and Jesse Benton for their role in the 2012 Kent Sorensen scandal.

Between these and Steve Stockman, Trump is pardoning literally everyone involved in a scandal that
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CORRECTION: Trump has not pardoned Brent Bozell . . . yet
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THREAD: Trump's John Tate & Jesse Benton pardons are an even bigger deal than they initially seem, sending a very specific message that it is ok to violate FEC ultimate vendor disclosure rules—which Trump's 2020 campaign allegedly violated by routing money through shell companies

John Tate & Jesse Benton were convicted in 2016 for charges tied to hiding bribes by paying a vendor who then paid a subvendor.

Trump came under scrutiny for deploying a similar tactic for different purposes—hiding ultimate vendors with an LLC created by 2020 campaign aides.

Trump's top 2020 campaign vendor is an LLC, AMMC, created to act as a clearinghouse for Donald Trump's media & ad spending—funneling $557M+ through an opaque structure that hides information about the identities of sub-vendors & how much money is paid to those ultimate recipients

FEC rules require political groups to disclose spending but campaign finance law imposes few restrictions on merely disclosing payments to opaque firms or shell companies that funnel money to "ultimate" vendors whose identities remain hidden. It is becoming the ultimate loophole.

investigation found Trump's 2020 campaign used a shell company to pay ad buyers implicated in an alleged coordination scheme while a pro-Trump super PAC & "dark money" 501©(4) paid the same individuals for "pro-Trump agenda" ads



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Ex-FBI special agent: ‘Forensic evidence’ shows why Blackwater guards did not deserve a pardon

"Just as his critics had been predicting, President Donald Trump granted a long list of pardons and commutations this week — from his 2016 campaign manager Paul Manafort to former Rep. Duncan D. Hunter of California to Charles Kushner (father of White House Senior Adviser Jared Kushner) to four former Blackwater security guards. Some of the sharp criticism that Trump has received for the Blackwater pardons has been coming from people in national security or law enforcement, and former FBI special agent Thomas O'Connor slams those pardons in an op-ed published on CNN's website on Christmas Eve Day.

The four security guards, who worked for the private security firm Blackwater during the George W. Bush era, were serving time in prison for their involvement in the slaughter of 17 Iraqi civilians in Baghdad's Nisour Square on September 16, 2007. Former Blackwater CEO Erik Prince is a far-right Trump supporter and the brother of Betsy DeVos, secretary of education in the outgoing Trump Administration.

O'Connor, who spent 23 years as an FBI special agent before retiring in 2019, explains, "I know that these men were undeserving of pardons because I was a member of the FBI evidence response team that traveled to Iraq and investigated the site of these killings."



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lol I knew I've seen that face before.



Published on 21 Aug 2020 / In News and Politics

(Starts at 4:10) UPDATE: Both Millie Weaver and hacker blackmailer Tore Maras-Lindeman were live last night like Q cheerleaders; I can understand why Alex Jones cut ties,

it was getting out of control with her sending to the Infowars studios people who kept bashing Alex and other Infowars collaborators after interviews. It's obvious that people like Tore Maras-Lindeman and Patrick Burgy are using Millie Weaver for desperate attention, to spear without any solid proof, to push their BS. Roger Stone smeared at 38:27, 39:19 and 53:03 of Millie's documentary film.






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bump... very interesting
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Where is your proof
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Isabella  Wrote: (12-26-2020 12:50 PM)
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Published on 21 Aug 2020 / In News and Politics

(Starts at 4:10) UPDATE: Both Millie Weaver and hacker blackmailer Tore Maras-Lindeman were live last night like Q cheerleaders; I can understand why Alex Jones cut ties,

it was getting out of control with her sending to the Infowars studios people who kept bashing Alex and other Infowars collaborators after interviews. It's obvious that people like Tore Maras-Lindeman and Patrick Burgy are using Millie Weaver for desperate attention, to spear without any solid proof, to push their BS. Roger Stone smeared at 38:27, 39:19 and 53:03 of Millie's documentary film.






https://ugetube.com/watch/millie-weaver-...LbRYN.html

chuckle These Trump lawyer jack asses think people will believe their BS, but few will and those people are idiots. Jhikpghf

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The Pardons are A Disgrace. But Don’t Sweat It.

"Yesterday, as the news set in that President Trump had pardoned almost everyone involved in the Russia scandal, I saw an editor at one of the big political publications say that with this step President Trump had taken one more step in erasing the Mueller probe. This is wrong. And explaining why it’s wrong gives me another opportunity to reaffirm my belief that knowledge, a public accounting of what happened is far more important than punishment for individual wrongdoers.

What Trump completed was the the cover-up, the pay offs he’d promised, either explicitly or implicitly, in exchange for the silence of his coconspirators. As it happens, only Paul Manafort was even still in prison or serving time. For the rest it was just symbolism. But again, what is important is a public accounting of the facts.

From that perspective, these pardons mean fairly little. I’ve heard some claim that the upside of these pardons is that now the key players can’t plead the fifth. Even narrowly speaking I believe that is not true since most or all could face state jeopardy. But more broadly it’s a fallacy of legal literalism. Sure they can’t plead the fifth. But they can lie. They can claim they don’t remember. And they will. Don’t think this means anyone can be compelled to cooperate.

But in most cases, starting in a month, cooperation becomes less important. Because there are documents. A new President not invested in the cover up changes the equation dramatically. Everything that has been bottled up at the DOJ, in the intelligence services, in the President’s tax returns, in the voluminous records of the US government have been bottled up because of the President’s slow-rolling, mostly spurious claims of executive privilege or simple non-compliance. All that power disappears on January 20th and translates into the hands of Joe Biden. An ex-President has no privileges to claim whatsoever. In the past, incumbent Presidents have deferred to former President’s on claims of privilege. But that is purely a courtesy. All of these documents and records are the property of the United States government and they are under the control of the incumbent President, who will be Joe Biden in 26 days.

What Biden will do with this power, I can’t tell you. But it will be up to him. And there is quite a lot that remained hidden during Trump’s presidency that can now be uncovered.

People talk about whether people should be prosecuted or not. That’s a premature discussion, both practically and ethically. The first thing is to find out what happened. As I’ve argued, that’s really the most important thing. I think it should be prioritized over punishment, to the extent the two things come into conflict. But if punishment is a priority, first you need to find out what happened. Once you do, much will be clarified about where to go from there."

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Trump can go to jail for his pardons — and it may make it easier to prosecute other crimes: expert

"One of the nation's premier constitutional law experts explained why Donald Trump could be criminally prosecuted for his pardons -- and how it could compound his legal liabilities.

"If, as Alexander Pope reflected in 1711, 'to err is human, to forgive, divine,' then the US Constitution's pardon power — the prerogative of forgiveness — should be beyond reproach. Instead, a godless US president who appears incapable of forgiveness has seemingly perverted this instrument of mercy into another grave threat to the rule of law. Donald Trump's recent twisting of the pardon power risks leaving a damaging legacy: a blueprint for manipulating this vestige of royal prerogative to place presidents and their cronies above the law. But a remedy exists: investigation and potential prosecution. We must treat any obstructions of justice we uncover as the crimes they are," Laurence Tribe wrote for the Financial Times.

Tribe has taught at Harvard Law for 50 years and tried three-dozen cases before the United States Supreme Court.

"It is critical to distinguish between two types of corrupt pardons. There are those that are merely contemptible for their intrinsic immorality — they may give a free walk to American war criminals (the Blackwater contractors convicted of a massacre), corrupt politicians (former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, convicted of trying to sell a Senate seat), and relatives (Mr Trump's son-in-law's criminally convicted father Charles Kushner). There are others that pose structural dangers by placing the president and his circle above the law and thwarting investigations into wrongdoing," Tribe explained. "Mr Trump's grants of clemency to close advisers Paul Manafort and Roger Stone belong to a distinct and far more dangerous category. These pardons appear to be the latest steps taken which may in effect have hindered inquiries into crimes that Mr Trump's close associates have been convicted of committing. Put plainly, these pardons could potentially amount to criminal obstruction of justice or bribery.""

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Clinton chose to make nearly a third of them on January 20, 2001, his last day in office. This came to be known as Pardongate.[2] While Clinton pardoned a large number (450)[3] of people compared with his immediate one-term predecessor Republican George H. W. Bush, who pardoned only 75, the number of people pardoned by Clinton was comparable to that pardoned by two-term Republican Ronald Reagan and one-term Democrat Jimmy Carter, who pardoned 393 and 534 respectively.[4]

Federal prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate the pardon of Marc Rich. She was later replaced by Republican James Comey, who found no illegality on Clinton's part.[citation needed]
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Clinton chose to make nearly a third of them on January 20, 2001, his last day in office. This came to be known as Pardongate.[2] While Clinton pardoned a large number (450)[3] of people compared with his immediate one-term predecessor Republican George H. W. Bush, who pardoned only 75, the number of people pardoned by Clinton was comparable to that pardoned by two-term Republican Ronald Reagan and one-term Democrat Jimmy Carter, who pardoned 393 and 534 respectively.[4]

Federal prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate the pardon of Marc Rich. She was later replaced by Republican James Comey, who found no illegality on Clinton's part.[citation needed]

Pardons should only be used to fit a strict redemption agenda and there should be solid guidelines and the pardons should be looked at by well trained legal officials in the white house to make sure they are offered in accordance with the president's guidelines. The pardon process should be used with the highest ethics and ideally they should be above reproach.

The number of pardons is not very important to the issue at hand. The pardons should never be self serving or for corrupt purpose like offering pardons in exchange for shielding testimony that could clearly be incriminating to Trump and his family members. Trump has also used the pardon powers to reward wealthy potential donors and to simply corrupt politicians to make the point to others to try to solicit deals and quid pro quo arrangements.

Bill Clinton did a few controversial and potentially corrupt pardons, it is an abuse of power. I am glad they investigated those.

Nothing like what Trump is doing with his pardon powers is anything like what previous presidents have done, what Trump is doing is off the charts in terms of self serving and giving pardons for corrupt purposes and to political operatives.

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Even die hard conservatives like Toomey can see the corruption in Trump's pardons.

Conservative GOP senator calls out Trump for 'misuse' of presidential pardons

"President Donald Trump has been drawing a great deal of criticism from Democrats for the long list of cronies he has pardoned this month — a list that ranges from Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign manager, to Charles Kushner (father of White House Senior Adviser Jared Kushner, his son-in-law) to Rep. Duncan D. Hunter of California. But not all of the criticism is coming from Democrats. Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, during a December 28 appearance on "Fox News Sunday," called Trump out for his "misuse of the power" to issue pardons.

Toomey complained, "I mean, my goodness, we have tax fraud and bank fraud, witness tampering, obstruction of justice. But because they were close to the president, they got pardoned."

Manafort served time in federal prison for tax fraud and bank fraud, while Hunter was sentenced to 11 months in prison for campaign finance violations. And veteran GOP operative Roger Stone, a long-time Trump ally and self-described "dirty trickster," was on his way to federal prison for obstruction of justice, witness tampering and other crimes when Trump commuted his sentence — a commutation that was followed by a full pardon this month.

When Toomey was asked if presidential pardons should be restricted, he responded, "It's a good discussion to have, but it's a tough call. I think it would be very challenging."

Toomey has never been known as a moderate Republican. When he gave the late Sen. Arlen Specter a GOP primary challenge in 2004, the Philadelphia Inquirer's editorial board attacked Toomey as being to the right of then-Sen. Rick Santorum, who was voted out of office in 2006 and replaced by centrist Democrat Bob Casey. But Toomey, who was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 2010 and narrowly reelected in 2016, has, at times, appeared uncomfortable with Trumpism. And he recently announced that he will not seek another term in 2022."

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I betcha Trump pardons Dymtry Fistash.

Fistash's lawyers are Trump's buddies, Joe diGenova and wifey Victoria.

imo: There's no way in hell someone as greedy, cheap and amoral as Trump could turn down the multi-millions Fistash would offer.

Same goes for diGenova and whatsherface,

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"Later that day, The New York Times reported that weeks earlier, before his associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were indicted, Giuliani met with officials with the criminal and fraud divisions of the Justice Department regarding what Giuliani characterized as a "very, very sensitive" foreign bribery case involving a client of his. The Times did not name whom the case involved, but shortly after publication of the story Giuliani told a reporter it was not Firtash.[85][86] Two days later, the Justice Department stated its officials would not have met with Giuliani had they known his associates were under investigation by the SDNY.[87] diGenova has said he has known attorney general Bill Barr for thirty years, as they both worked in the Reagan/Bush Justice Department.[88]

The Washington Post reported on October 22 that after they began representing Firtash, Toensing and diGenova secured a rare face-to-face meeting with Barr to argue the Firtash charges should be dropped.[89] Prior to that mid-August meeting, Barr had been briefed in detail on the initial whistleblower complaint within the CIA that had been forwarded to the Justice Department, as well as on Giuliani's activities in Ukraine. Barr declined to intervene in the Firtash case.[90]

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Stay tuned.

"Yes, I do have an absolute right to pardon myself, but I'll never have to do it because I didn't do anything wrong. And everybody knows it,"

"President Trump told reporters in 2018."

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Stay tuned.

"Yes, I do have an absolute right to pardon myself, but I'll never have to do it because I didn't do anything wrong. And everybody knows it,"

"President Trump told reporters in 2018."

Well if Trump did pardon himself and if that ability for a president to self pardon didn't get challenged and taken down by the SCOTUS, then technically Trump would then be admitting he was "guilty" and then pardoned.

Then he would be giving up his right to not plead the fifth in any investigation so he could then be subpoenaed in congressional hearings or federal or state trials associated with his family or associates.

If that was the case Trump would be compelled - meaning he would have to answer questions, and he could be tried for perjury if he lied and or be put in prison for contempt of court if he refused to answer questions.

Contempt of court imprisonment could last years, if he stuck to not answering questions.

Going to be interesting to see what he decides to do.

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