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ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
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Isabella  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:51 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 06:09 PM)
Where's the investigation into Hunter Biden and associates?
I guess if you don't investigate, you don't find the crime, convict, and have to pardon.
Hell with the Trump family, all it takes is an allegation to need a pardon.
The left hate the Trump family so much for screwing up their schemes that they'll be having investigations of Barron's children's children.
This is like one of those generational things you hear about.


So Barr decided not to investigate Hunter?chuckle
An investigation into Hunter has sh*t to do with anti-Trumpers and everything to do with what Trump & Co. want,

After America's historians get done with Trump you'll hear about some of Trump's descendants and future descendants changing their name.Rofl

Despicable, vengeful, hate filled leftists!

And none of them can point to one act, any crime that PRESIDENT Trump is accused of that has as much evidence that it happened as the fraud that has happened in several cities during this election.
All you have ever had was a few people claiming they saw or heard something, and a hell of a lot more people saw or heard fraud being perpetrated during this election.

And then theirs hunter Bidens laptop.
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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 08:04 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 07:15 PM)
Obviously more fake news CNN came up with to counter Project Veritas releasing their calls about censoring the election fraud

CNN and any reputable media don't give a sh*t about anything corrupt and lying Project Veritas does or says, they are famous for lying and misleading and putting out highly edited videos that completely change contexts and meanings.

If they come up with any real proof of election fraud or criminality, Trump's DOJ will look at it and decide if it can be taken to courts. Then CNN will address any of that like they do anything of real import.

Playing someone's own words for the world to hear is lying?

The only reason cnn still exists is some wacky contract to be on all the TV's at airports.
Their reputation has been sh*t for a couple decades now.

Highly edited to change context and meaning? You mean like CNN and most of the msm has been doing to PRESIDENT Trump for 4 years now?
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RE: ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 09:40 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 08:04 PM)
CNN and any reputable media don't give a sh*t about anything corrupt and lying Project Veritas does or says, they are famous for lying and misleading and putting out highly edited videos that completely change contexts and meanings.

If they come up with any real proof of election fraud or criminality, Trump's DOJ will look at it and decide if it can be taken to courts. Then CNN will address any of that like they do anything of real import.

Playing someone's own words for the world to hear is lying?

The only reason cnn still exists is some wacky contract to be on all the TV's at airports.
Their reputation has been sh*t for a couple decades now.

Highly edited to change context and meaning? You mean like CNN and most of the msm has been doing to PRESIDENT Trump for 4 years now?
Project Veritas
Founded in 2010, Project Veritas was created by James Edward O’Keefe III who is an American conservative political activist. He produces secretly recorded undercover audio and video encounters, some selectively edited to imply its subjects said things they did not, with figures and workers in academic, governmental, and social service organizations, purporting to show abusive or allegedly illegal behavior by employees and/or representatives of those organizations. Project Veritas primarily targets liberals and liberal organizations.


Was it recent they did something similar to Ilhan Omar and it ended up being complete BS?
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RE: ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 09:49 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 09:40 PM)
Playing someone's own words for the world to hear is lying?

The only reason cnn still exists is some wacky contract to be on all the TV's at airports.
Their reputation has been sh*t for a couple decades now.

Highly edited to change context and meaning? You mean like CNN and most of the msm has been doing to PRESIDENT Trump for 4 years now?
Project Veritas
Founded in 2010, Project Veritas was created by James Edward O’Keefe III who is an American conservative political activist. He produces secretly recorded undercover audio and video encounters, some selectively edited to imply its subjects said things they did not, with figures and workers in academic, governmental, and social service organizations, purporting to show abusive or allegedly illegal behavior by employees and/or representatives of those organizations. Project Veritas primarily targets liberals and liberal organizations.


Was it recent they did something similar to Ilhan Omar and it ended up being complete BS?

Where's the link to indicate who's opinion this is?
And why aren't you just as upset about the msm doing this kind of thing to Trump and conservatives in general?
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So this seems to be part of the reason Trump is so eager to pardon his family members.

There is so much evidence of criminal actions in the massive inaugural fund scandal. So glad she is be forced to give a deposition. They are a corrupt and criminal administration. Scream1


Ivanka Trump deposed in DC lawsuit over misuse of inaugural funds: report

On Wednesday, CNN reported that first daughter Ivanka Trump was deposed this week as part of the D.C. attorney general’s lawsuit probing potential misuse of the Trump 2016 inauguration fund.

“In January, the DC attorney general’s office sued the Trump Organization and Presidential Inaugural Committee alleging they abused more than $1 million raised by the nonprofit by ‘grossly overpaying’ for use of event space at the Trump hotel in Washington for the 2017 inauguration,” reported Kara Scannell. “Depositions of witnesses as part of the lawsuit have been underway over the past several weeks.”

“The attorney general’s office has also subpoenaed records from Barrack, Ivanka Trump, first lady Melania Trump, and Rick Gates, the former inaugural committee deputy chairman,” continued the report. “According to the lawsuit, Gates ‘personally managed’ discussions with the Trump hotel about event space.”

Ivanka is also involved in a separate investigation by prosecutors in New York, who are examining tax writeoffs President Donald Trump took on consulting fees paid out to her.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/ivanka-...ds-report/

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He Man  Wrote: (12-03-2020 02:08 AM)
Ivanka Trump deposed in DC lawsuit over misuse of inaugural funds: report


Yep
It has begun


Whatsamatta_U  Wrote: (12-02-2020 04:20 AM)
presidential pardons do not cover State crimes

The Manhattan DA will indict for bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud, and hopefully money laundering

DC will indict for campaign finance fraud


Both NY and DC have the Trump org and Trump family on organized crime -- RICO -- statutes
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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 08:04 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 07:15 PM)
Obviously more fake news CNN came up with to counter Project Veritas releasing their calls about censoring the election fraud

CNN and any reputable media
don't give a sh*t about anything corrupt and lying Project Veritas does or says, they are famous for lying and misleading and putting out highly edited videos that completely change contexts and meanings.

If they come up with any real proof of election fraud or criminality, Trump's DOJ will look at it and decide if it can be taken to courts. Then CNN will address any of that like they do anything of real import.

When you started defending main stream media as the arbiters of truth you should have realized there was a problems.
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He Man  Wrote: (12-03-2020 02:08 AM)
So this seems to be part of the reason Trump is so eager to pardon his family members.

Well ... he hasn't pardoned any of them so far, so it doesn't seem that he's 'so eager'.

If he gets to Bill Clintons level of pardon abuse .. be sure to let us know.
Pretty sure Bill is the king of abuse ... wow .. what a list!!!

In the mean time ... a good question to ask ... Does someone actually have to be accused and/or found guilty in order to be 'pardoned'? I don't know the answer to that. What is the legalese ??? I'd think that you can't pardon someone for something that they aren't even accused of. You wouldn't know what to pardon ... ya' know???

I've looked around and gotten mixed answers on that.
I'm not seeing how you can 'preemptively pardon' someone for something.
And none of the Trumps have been charged with crimes in a court of law.
So how can a pardon be issued for something that hasn't been even charged?

Anyone got a good link to a viable legal explanation of all that?
I'm not finding one.

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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-03-2020 04:29 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (12-03-2020 02:08 AM)
So this seems to be part of the reason Trump is so eager to pardon his family members.

Well ... he hasn't pardoned any of them so far, so it doesn't seem that he's 'so eager'.

If he gets to Bill Clintons level of pardon abuse .. be sure to let us know.
Pretty sure Bill is the king of abuse ... wow .. what a list!!!

In the mean time ... a good question to ask ... Does someone actually have to be accused and/or found guilty in order to be 'pardoned'? I don't know the answer to that. What is the legalese ??? I'd think that you can't pardon someone for something that they aren't even accused of. You wouldn't know what to pardon ... ya' know???

I've looked around and gotten mixed answers on that.
I'm not seeing how you can 'preemptively pardon' someone for something.
And none of the Trumps have been charged with crimes in a court of law.
So how can a pardon be issued for something that hasn't been even charged?

Anyone got a good link to a viable legal explanation of all that?
I'm not finding one.
Ford pardoned Nixon for any crime he might have committed. Nixon was never charged with a crime. That's the most recent example.
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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-03-2020 04:29 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (12-03-2020 02:08 AM)
So this seems to be part of the reason Trump is so eager to pardon his family members.

Well ... he hasn't pardoned any of them so far, so it doesn't seem that he's 'so eager'.

If he gets to Bill Clintons level of pardon abuse .. be sure to let us know.
Pretty sure Bill is the king of abuse ... wow .. what a list!!!

In the mean time ... a good question to ask ... Does someone actually have to be accused and/or found guilty in order to be 'pardoned'? I don't know the answer to that. What is the legalese ??? I'd think that you can't pardon someone for something that they aren't even accused of. You wouldn't know what to pardon ... ya' know???

I've looked around and gotten mixed answers on that.
I'm not seeing how you can 'preemptively pardon' someone for something.
And none of the Trumps have been charged with crimes in a court of law.
So how can a pardon be issued for something that hasn't been even charged?

Anyone got a good link to a viable legal explanation of all that?
I'm not finding one.

This ^^^

But the Dems will keep up the investigations until they find or make up something.
Procedural errors like talking to the cops(fbi?) Off the cuff and then saying or remembering something new or different under oath that gets them railroaded into a lying under oath charge.
This is a feud type thing, they will never stop attacking the Trump family.
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Collectively from 20 January onwards the USA is going to have to hold it's nose and drain the festering cess-pit that has been 4 years of a corruption driven Trump administration.

For their brazen failed attempt to overturn democracy and incite violence the Trump crime family of sleazeballs should face the full strength of the law and be made an example for everyone to see that nobody can escape justice.

Cryboy will just have to stick his head in the sand but that shouldn't be much of a problem as he has been practicing since 2017.
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RE: ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-03-2020 04:43 PM)
PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-03-2020 04:29 PM)
Well ... he hasn't pardoned any of them so far, so it doesn't seem that he's 'so eager'.

If he gets to Bill Clintons level of pardon abuse .. be sure to let us know.
Pretty sure Bill is the king of abuse ... wow .. what a list!!!

In the mean time ... a good question to ask ... Does someone actually have to be accused and/or found guilty in order to be 'pardoned'? I don't know the answer to that. What is the legalese ??? I'd think that you can't pardon someone for something that they aren't even accused of. You wouldn't know what to pardon ... ya' know???

I've looked around and gotten mixed answers on that.
I'm not seeing how you can 'preemptively pardon' someone for something.
And none of the Trumps have been charged with crimes in a court of law.
So how can a pardon be issued for something that hasn't been even charged?

Anyone got a good link to a viable legal explanation of all that?
I'm not finding one.
Ford pardoned Nixon for any crime he might have committed. Nixon was never charged with a crime. That's the most recent example.
"By the President of the United States of America a Proclamation

Richard Nixon became the thirty-seventh President of the United States on January 20, 1969 and was reelected in 1972 for a second term by the electors of forty-nine of the fifty states. His term in office continued until his resignation on August 9, 1974.

Pursuant to resolutions of the House of Representatives, its Committee on the Judiciary conducted an inquiry and investigation on the impeachment of the President extending over more than eight months. The hearings of the Committee and its deliberations, which received wide national publicity over television, radio, and in printed media, resulted in votes adverse to Richard Nixon on recommended Articles of Impeachment.

As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.

It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.

Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth.

GERALD R. FORD"
https://watergate.info/1974/09/08/text-o...ation.html
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For their brazen failed attempt to overturn democracy and incite violence ...
How so?

Kinda looks like both the left and the far right are the ones inciting violence ... You know ... looting, burning entire neighborhoods, vandalism, 'social justice mob rule' ...

But can you give examples of how the Trump family tried to overturn democracy and incite violence? And no, demanding recounts is not 'trying to overturn democracy'. It's a legal right. One that Al Gore also took advantage of in 2000.

Before you speak ... remember this gem from the left ... no matter if Trump legitimately wins, you can't admit that he did. And all the lefties saying Trump was 'illegitimate' even though he legitimately won ...

Hillary Clinton says Biden Should Not Concede 'under any circumstance' click here

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Ford pardoned Nixon for any crime he might have committed. Nixon was never charged with a crime. That's the most recent example.

Thanks. Forgot about that one!

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Elliot Broidy and the Kushner's lawyer Abby Lowell were named in pardons for profit

Said to be for a psychologist's 30 month sentence, the guy died and supposedly the money for a pardon went nowhere,

“If you want to influence Trump, you got to be the last guy he talks to."

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