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**He Man** · **He Man** Subscriber User ID: 426524 01-22-2021 11:43 PM **Posts: 35,384**

LoP Guest Wrote: (01-21-2021 05:48 AM)

These pardons Presidents give out, any President, are there any kinds of rules or restrictions on them? For example since he was still alive when Obama left office, could Obama have pardoned Charles Manson? (Not that he would have, but just to use an over the top example).

Yes If Obama or any president had wanted to pardon Charles Manson of any federal charges he could have done that.

Presidential pardons do not effect state indictments or convictions of any kind. So if Manson was convicted on CA charges then no president could pardon him of those state charges.

**He Man** · **He Man** Subscriber User ID: 426524 01-22-2021 11:51 PM **Posts: 35,384**

‘Why Did you Pardon This Son of a bit*h?’: Eye Doc’s Victim Rages at Trump
A Florida woman left blind after Saloman Melgen’s unnecessary treatments would like a word with Donald Trump about his pardon.

"Anna Borgia of Florida was a Trump supporter until she learned the former president had granted last-minute clemency to the doctor who had left her blind while subjecting scores of other patients to unnecessary treatments—often involving injections directly into the eye—before being sentenced to 17 years in federal prison for the biggest Medicare fraud on record.

“I’m writing a letter to Trump,” Borgia told The Daily Beast this week. “I’m very disappointed in him, I’m going to tell him, ‘Why did you pardon this son of a bit*h?’”

The son-of-bit*h is Dr. Salomon Melgen, who was convicted of defrauding Medicare and insurance companies of as much as $73 million. Borgia repeated what she told Judge Kenneth Marra at Melgen’s sentencing in Palm Beach federal court in 2018.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-pard...r?ref=home

**He Man** · **He Man** Subscriber User ID: 509202 01-23-2021 06:54 PM **Posts: 35,384**

Wow this is a really strange a sad Trump pardon, why would he pardon this seeming super creep? Scream1

They should have let him go to trial and face prosecution.

Trump's 'disturbing' pardon of Kushner ally accused of stalking could put people in danger: columnist

"On Saturday, writing for The Daily Beast, Elizabeth Spiers zeroed in on what she considers to be one of the most "disturbing" 11th-hour pardons by former President Donald Trump: former New York Observer editor-in-chief Ken Kurson, a family friend of Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner.

"Kurson, a longtime close friend of Jared Kushner's, had been arrested in October on charges of cyberstalking three people and harassing two in an elaborate revenge scheme to punish people he perceived as being responsible for the breakup of his marriage," reported Spiers, who held Kurson's job from 2011-2012. "Kurson, who has forcefully denied the allegations and had yet to go to trial, was one of the 74 people Donald Trump pardoned in the final hours of his presidency."

Kurson was accused of making false allegations of child molestation and infidelity against the victims under a number of pseudonyms like "Jayden Wagner" and "Eddie Train"; breaking into their social media accounts with a keystroke monitor, and taking pictures of the lobby of Mount Sinai Hospital, where one victim worked as a doctor, and making hangup calls from an internal phone system that would have required him to be inside a victims' building.

"When I first read about the charges, I was floored by the sheer amount of effort Kurson allegedly made to plot against and then pursue his victims on multiple fronts," wrote Spiers. "Then again, a lot of stalkers do this in part because it's easy to do. Anyone with an internet connection can conduct a campaign like this, and most people can do it without getting caught. Even if the perpetrators are caught, victims have very little recourse because cops and prosecutors are often ill-equipped to deal with activity of this nature, and sometimes dismissive when it's directed toward women."

A big problem with the Kurson pardon, noted Spiers, is that it gives him a green light to actively resume his behavior and put more people in danger."

MORE:
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pardons-2650081324/

**He Man** · **He Man** Subscriber User ID: 509202 01-24-2021 09:41 PM **Posts: 35,384**

I don't know if this is possible without it (a Pocket Pardon) being filed in the DOJ which could be uncovered by a simple President Biden inquiry. Alex Witt should have pushed back on that.

But it is interesting.

Michael Cohen suggests Trump issued secret pardons for himself and his kids in case of indictments

"Appearing on MSNBC on Sunday afternoon with host Alex Witt, former Donald Trump attorney Michael Cohen stated he believes the former president issued secret pardons for himself and his kids while still in office -- with the intent on making them public only if they are needed.

Speaking with the host, Cohen -- who lost his law license when he went to jail -- said he was puzzled why Trump never self-pardoned when he could, adding that the one thing the president fears is serving time in jail.

That, he explained, caused him to come up with an interesting theory of "pocket pardons" that could be used at a later date as -- essentially -- "get out of jail free" cards.

"I had put out a tweet talking about how Trump did not pardon himself or he did not pardon his children or Rudy Giuliani, and after a while, of course, knowing Donald Trump for well over a decade -- almost a decade and a half as I do -- I started thinking to myself it doesn't really make sense because it's not like Donald Trump, so what am I missing?" Cohen explained.

"What are we missing as Americans? And I kind of think I figured it out," he elaborated. "I think Donald Trump actually has given himself the pardon. I think he also has pocket pardons for his children and for Rudy [Giuliani] and it's already stashed somewhere that, if and when they do get indicted and that there's a criminal conviction, federal criminal conviction brought against him, he already has the pardons in hand."

"So I started searching over the weekend for whether or not the Constitution requires that pardons be disclosed to the American people and to the press, and I couldn't find anything that said that it does, and that to me is more in line with what George Conway is trying to say about how Donald Trump doesn't care about the law, how he will skirt the law, how he will do anything to benefit himself, and that includes even, you know, doing something like this with a pocket pardon," he added.

He further noted that, if his theory is true, it would be contested in the courts, which is a Trump specialty when trying to delay the inevitable.

Watch below:

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-self-pardon-2650122263/

**He Man** · **He Man** Subscriber User ID: 426524 02-09-2021 01:13 AM **Posts: 35,384**

Wow Dershowitz was helping to get a know child porn and child sex abuser a Trump pardon. Scream1

I wonder how these corrupt lawyers involved in the pardons get their kick backs given to Trump.

Trump lawyer Alan Dershowitz scored 12 clemencies for prisoners — and it's unclear the profits he made

"Alan Dershowitz arguing in Trump’s impeachment hearing (screengrab)
Former impeachment lawyer for President Donald Trump, Alan Dershowitz, was cited as the influencer behind 12 cases of clemency on Trump's final days in office.

The New York Times reported Monday about several people that the Trump ally helped in their attempts to get clemency or pardons before the former president left office. A separate Times report from January revealed that many Trump allies were profiting off of the possibility that they could influence Trump to pardon someone.

In one case, George Nader, who pleaded guilty to child pornography and sex trafficking a minor, was one of those who sought Dershowitz's help.

"Mr. Dershowitz told Mr. Nader's allies that he had reached out to an official in the Trump administration and one in the Israeli government to try to assess whether they would support a plan for Mr. Nader to be freed from United States custody in order to resume a behind-the-scenes role in Middle East peace talks, and whether Mr. Trump might consider commuting his 10-year sentence," the report said.

In his case, it didn't work out, but it did for others. The Times probe found Dershowitz "played a role in at least 12 clemency grants, including two pardons, which wipe out convictions, and 10 commutations, which reduce prison sentences, while also helping to win a temporary reprieve from sanctions for an Israeli mining billionaire."

Those requesting help came from family members of convicts and defense lawyers hoping Dershowitz could help the court case and the clemency efforts. He also has volunteered for an Orthodox Jewish prisoners' group.

However, the Trump ally made it clear it had nothing to do with his connections to Trump that led to so many requests from him.

"The idea that I would ever, ever ingratiate myself to a president in order to be able to advertise myself as a person that could get commutations is just totally false and defamatory," he told the Times.

"Of course I'm not surprised that people would call me because they thought that the president thought well of me," said Dershowitz. "If somebody is seeking a pardon from Clinton, you're not going to go to somebody who is a friend of Jerry Falwell. You're going to go to somebody who is a Democrat. That's the way the system works."

The Times made it clear that it's "difficult to determine" how much money Dershowitz made off of his efforts.

See the list of people Dershowitz was able to get results for in the Times report."

Link at link:
https://www.rawstory.com/alan-dershowitz...-clemency/

**He Man** · **He Man** Subscriber User ID: 509202 03-21-2021 05:50 PM **Posts: 35,384**

I wonder if it will ever be possible to know how much money got into Trump's and Kushner's hands through elaborate schemes. There is no other reason to have pardoned these people, no miscarriage of justice, no horrible wrongs that needed a presidential pardon to be righted, just simple pay for pardon type lucrative and connected creeps, willing to pay for a Trump pardone. Scream1

Jared Kushner and Alan Dershowitz helped outside groups secure 27 pardons from Trump: report

"According to a deep dive into the slew of pardons Donald Trump doled out before he lost the 2020 presidential election to now-President Joe Biden, the New York Times is reporting that over 10 percent of the recipients were the beneficiaries of help from Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner and presidential defender Alan Dershowitz working in concert with two highly influential groups.

Along with allies of the president who were given a get out of jail free card by Trump as a parting gift before he was ousted from the Oval Office, the Times is reporting that 27 of the 238 total pardons were linked to a "pair of influential Jewish organizations that focus on criminal justice issues — the Aleph Institute and Tzedek Association."

The Times noted the relationship of Kushner and Dershowitz to the organizations while highlighting the crimes of just a few who were granted a presidential pardon.

"One hacked the computers of business rivals. One bribed doctors to win referrals for his nursing homes," the Times is reporting. "Another fled the country while he was on trial for his role in a fraud that siphoned $450 million from an insurance company, leading to its collapse. Still another ran a Ponzi scheme that plunged a synagogue into foreclosure."

The Times' Ken Vogel and Nicholas Confessore add, "The efforts to seek clemency for these wealthy or well-connected people benefited from their social, political, or financial ties to a loose collection of lawyers, lobbyists, activists and Orthodox Jewish leaders who had worked with Trump administration officials on criminal justice legislation championed by Jared Kushner."

"Over the years, at least four of those who received clemency or their families had donated to Aleph. Others or their allies and families had retained people like Mr. Dershowitz, who represented Mr. Trump in his first impeachment trial, Mr. Tolman and Mr. Muzin to press their cases before the Trump administration, often working in parallel with Aleph and Tzedek, according to public records and interviews," the report continues.

The report notes that Aleph and Tzedek had an extraordinary win rate when it came to getting the president's attention, while also noting that many supplicants had been convicted of white-collar financial crimes.

According to the Times, Kushner was deeply involved in the president's clemency program along with the sundry other problems the ex-president tasked him to solve.

"Mr. Kushner, Mr. Trump's son-in-law, spearheaded the sentencing overhaul effort in the White House, and also helped oversee the clemency process. He had become interested in criminal justice and developed ties to members of the loose network of allies on the issue after his father, Charles Kushner, was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison for tax evasion, witness tampering and lying to the Federal Election Commission," the report states. "When Charles Kushner, a donor to Aleph, received a pardon from Mr. Trump in December, the White House cited Mr. Tolman's support for the decision."

You can read much more here. (NYTIMES link at link subscription required)
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pardons-2651159803/