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ONGOING THREAD: Trump's Pardons for profits schemes, please add more!!!
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The Trump administration is the most corrupt in history, all of the dirt is going to come spilling out now that Trump is the LOSER, ONE-TEMER IMPOTUS, and he will no longer be covered under DOJ immunity from indictments as a sitting president.

This thread is for articles of Trump pardoning his family and friends and possibly himself and all of the pardon related stories of Trump's corruptions and pardons for profits. Jhikpghf

So add to them if you want, as the cases grow and grow. Scream1

Legal experts shocked by ‘pardon bribery scheme’ under DOJ investigation: ‘That’s a lot of warrants’

"Legal experts were stunned on Tuesday after newly unsealed court documents showed that the Department of Justice is investigating a “pardon bribery scheme” involving money directed to the White House.

“The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court,” CNN reported. “The case is the latest legal twist in the waning days of President Donald Trump’s administration after several of his top advisers have been convicted of federal criminal charges and as the possibility rises of Trump giving pardons to those who’ve been loyal to him.”

“At the end of this summer, a filter team, used to make sure prosecutors don’t receive tainted evidence that should have been kept from them because it was privileged, had more than 50 digital devices including iPhones, iPads, laptops, thumb drives and computer drives after investigators raided the unidentified offices,” CNN reported. “The grand jury investigation also appears to relate to unnamed people acting as unregistered ‘lobbyists to senior White House officials’ as they sought to secure a pardon and use an intermediary to send a bribe, the unsealed court records say.”

Legal experts were shocked by the revelations in the court filings.

Former Southern District of New York U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara simply said, “whoa.”"


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/legal-e...-warrants/

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TOP story on Huffingtonpost right now.

Justice Department Probed ‘Bribery-For-Pardon Scheme’ As Trump Campaigned, Court Reveals
The opinion stated that the government could access certain communications that weren’t protected by attorney-client privilege.

"The Justice Department has spent months investigating a “bribery-for-pardon scheme,” even as President Donald Trump was running for reelection, according to court documents disclosed Tuesday.

In a 20-page opinion, dated Aug. 28 but posted Tuesday evening, U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell wrote that attorney-client privilege didn’t protect certain communications if they were alleged to be part of a “bribery-for-pardon scheme.” The communications involved were copied to a third party, who was not an attorney, the opinion stated.

“In sum, the attorney-client privilege does not protect communications disclosed to third parties and, here [redacted] was such a third party to each of the emails submitted by the government,” the Aug. 28 opinion states.

The court documents reveal that dozens of devices were seized after an office was searched in response to a search warrant. The federal agents were investigating a “secret lobbying scheme” in which certain people “acted as lobbyists to senior White House officials, without complying with the registration requirement” to secure “a pardon or reprieve of sentence.”"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-par...69173c9f92

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Funny, Because the people who did this don't actually have to be in contact with any white house people! All they have to do is attempt to contact white house people.

And with out any evidence at all EVERYONE, Just JUMPS To TRUMP Did it He Is GUILTY!
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How much do ya think the amoral Trump will be charging for top state secrets?
It's not a question of if, just how much?

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Laserz  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:07 AM)
partial unsealing order

https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/dcd/f...0Order.pdf

Thank you for that link to the PDF.

It is going to be hard for Trump to pardon anybody related to this as it will be challenged in court immediately as a corrupt illegal act of pardoning for corrupt purposes to protect Trump himself.

This is going to get very sticky very quickly.

Pardon powers are not absolute and neither the congress nor the judicial branch want a president to be able to pardon themselves or others involved in illegal schemes that benefit the president directly or his family, his lawyers etc. etc.

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:12 AM)
Funny, Because the people who did this don't actually have to be in contact with any white house people! All they have to do is attempt to contact white house people.

And with out any evidence at all EVERYONE, Just JUMPS To TRUMP Did it He Is GUILTY!
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Like Trump & Co's NO evidence equates to being GUILTY of election fraud?Rofl

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:12 AM)
Funny, Because the people who did this don't actually have to be in contact with any white house people! All they have to do is attempt to contact white house people.

And with out any evidence at all EVERYONE, Just JUMPS To TRUMP Did it He Is GUILTY!
facepalm

this is why we all hate this forum...
they claim untrue and thread gets deleted...
they claim trump did this with no evidence and then pin it...
and make several other threads like this about it...
you suck d...
i mean really..
give us all a break you crippled brain MF....
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Giuliani signals Trump that it is time to consider a pardon for his criminal actions in support of Trump's corrupt and criminal administrations term in office. wut?

Giuliani Raises Risk Of Disclosing Bad Acts With Pardon Discussion

"Rudy Giuliani’s reported discussion of a pardon from President Trump could force the White House to reveal some more details about what exactly the President’s lawyer has been up to.

The problem is simple: how do you issue a pardon without giving away the act for which you’re providing clemency?

Legal experts told TPM that while Trump is safely within his powers to issue pre-emptive pardons, he could face some issues regarding how specific he wants those pardons to be.

“The more general it gets, the more open to challenge it is,” Michigan State law professor Brian Kalt told TPM. “He’ll have to balance the atmospherics, the politics of it, with the legal effects.”

Visually, it’s quite a mess.


Giuliani, who denies that a conversation about a pardon took place, has been working as Trump’s attorney since 2018, during the Mueller investigation. Since then, he’s gotten his client impeached over an effort to pressure the Ukrainian government into manufacturing dirt on Joe Biden.

His colloquy-for-clemency also comes as various people aligned with Trump push for the President to issue a sweeping range of pardons.

Sean Hannity, a Trump ally and perpetually enraged supporter, said on his radio show Monday night that Trump should immediately “pardon his whole family and himself because they want this witch hunt to go on in perpetuity.”

According to Kalt, the historical bare minimum that a President has had to disclose when issuing a pardon has been a timeframe. Gerald Ford, for example, pardoned Richard Nixon for “for all offenses against the United States” that he committed for the duration of his presidency.

Later, Jimmy Carter issued a pre-emptive pardon for all Vietnam war draft-dodgers from 1964 to 1973.

Neither of those pardons were challenged on specificity grounds. And, for Giuliani, it’s not clear what conduct would earn him the pardon. Manhattan federal prosecutors have been probing his role in the Ukraine scandal, specifically relating to allegations around a deal in the Eastern European gas business. Separately, some of Giuliani’s representations of foreign clients have led to allegations that he’s run afoul of laws mandating that he register as a foreign agent.

Giuliani denies those allegations.

But a broad, pre-emptive pardon has never been challenged in court on the grounds that its too vague.

Aaron Rappaport, a law professor at UC-Hastings College of Law, argues that a specificity requirement does exist in the Constitution for presidential pardons.

“It raises the costs for pardons,” Rappaport said, adding that specificity would force a level of transparency on the reasoning for any broad presidential pardon.

Kalt, the Michigan law professor, pointed out that accepting a pardon doesn’t constitute an admission of guilt. Even if the White House were to spell out in excruciating detail that whatever Giuliani has been up to over the past few years cannot be prosecuted, Giuliani’s acceptance of the pardon wouldn’t itself mean that he was confessing to having taken the actions that the pardon outlined.

“It doesn’t look good if you pardon someone, because you’re suggesting that there was something to pardon them for,” Kalt added. “But it doesn’t have any sort of legal effect, it’s not officially declaring your guilt.

But it could set the stage for potential future pardons of other Trump associates, or perhaps of the President himself.

“Trump is going to be getting a pardon, whether it’s a self pardon or by someone else,” Rappaport predicted. “This is a trial balloon.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/...discussion

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:17 AM)
Giuliani signals Trump that it is time to consider a pardon for his criminal actions in support of Trump's corrupt and criminal administrations term in office. wut?

Giuliani Raises Risk Of Disclosing Bad Acts With Pardon Discussion

"Rudy Giuliani’s reported discussion of a pardon from President Trump could force the White House to reveal some more details about what exactly the President’s lawyer has been up to.

The problem is simple: how do you issue a pardon without giving away the act for which you’re providing clemency?

Legal experts told TPM that while Trump is safely within his powers to issue pre-emptive pardons, he could face some issues regarding how specific he wants those pardons to be.

“The more general it gets, the more open to challenge it is,” Michigan State law professor Brian Kalt told TPM. “He’ll have to balance the atmospherics, the politics of it, with the legal effects.”

Visually, it’s quite a mess.


Giuliani, who denies that a conversation about a pardon took place, has been working as Trump’s attorney since 2018, during the Mueller investigation. Since then, he’s gotten his client impeached over an effort to pressure the Ukrainian government into manufacturing dirt on Joe Biden.

His colloquy-for-clemency also comes as various people aligned with Trump push for the President to issue a sweeping range of pardons.

Sean Hannity, a Trump ally and perpetually enraged supporter, said on his radio show Monday night that Trump should immediately “pardon his whole family and himself because they want this witch hunt to go on in perpetuity.”

According to Kalt, the historical bare minimum that a President has had to disclose when issuing a pardon has been a timeframe. Gerald Ford, for example, pardoned Richard Nixon for “for all offenses against the United States” that he committed for the duration of his presidency.

Later, Jimmy Carter issued a pre-emptive pardon for all Vietnam war draft-dodgers from 1964 to 1973.

Neither of those pardons were challenged on specificity grounds. And, for Giuliani, it’s not clear what conduct would earn him the pardon. Manhattan federal prosecutors have been probing his role in the Ukraine scandal, specifically relating to allegations around a deal in the Eastern European gas business. Separately, some of Giuliani’s representations of foreign clients have led to allegations that he’s run afoul of laws mandating that he register as a foreign agent.

Giuliani denies those allegations.

But a broad, pre-emptive pardon has never been challenged in court on the grounds that its too vague.

Aaron Rappaport, a law professor at UC-Hastings College of Law, argues that a specificity requirement does exist in the Constitution for presidential pardons.

“It raises the costs for pardons,” Rappaport said, adding that specificity would force a level of transparency on the reasoning for any broad presidential pardon.

Kalt, the Michigan law professor, pointed out that accepting a pardon doesn’t constitute an admission of guilt. Even if the White House were to spell out in excruciating detail that whatever Giuliani has been up to over the past few years cannot be prosecuted, Giuliani’s acceptance of the pardon wouldn’t itself mean that he was confessing to having taken the actions that the pardon outlined.

“It doesn’t look good if you pardon someone, because you’re suggesting that there was something to pardon them for,” Kalt added. “But it doesn’t have any sort of legal effect, it’s not officially declaring your guilt.

But it could set the stage for potential future pardons of other Trump associates, or perhaps of the President himself.

“Trump is going to be getting a pardon, whether it’s a self pardon or by someone else,” Rappaport predicted. “This is a trial balloon.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/...discussion

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:12 AM)
Funny, Because the people who did this don't actually have to be in contact with any white house people! All they have to do is attempt to contact white house people.

And with out any evidence at all EVERYONE, Just JUMPS To TRUMP Did it He Is GUILTY!
facepalm

If there is no connection to Trump or the Trump family or his lawyers and friends getting rich off this and giving kickbacks to Trump then the investigation will sort it all out and Trump will just go to prison for his many other crimes and illegal corruptions.

I am good with that. Jhikpghf

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Donald Trump: Impeached, Loser - one termer!
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mr balls of steel...  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:17 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:12 AM)
Funny, Because the people who did this don't actually have to be in contact with any white house people! All they have to do is attempt to contact white house people.

And with out any evidence at all EVERYONE, Just JUMPS To TRUMP Did it He Is GUILTY!
facepalm

this is why we all hate this forum...
they claim untrue and thread gets deleted...
they claim trump did this with no evidence and then pin it...
and make several other threads like this about it...
you suck d...
i mean really..
give us all a break you crippled brain MF....
oh...
Hi everyone...

Hello

I agree, that good and bad threads get pinned. D is great. Cheers

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Paul Manafort: Convicted
George Papadopoulos: Convicted
Mike Flynn: accepted guilt, pardoned
Michael Cohen: Convicted
Roger Stone: accepted guilt, granted clemency
Steve Bannon: Arrested
Donald Trump: Impeached, Loser - one termer!
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:12 AM)
Funny, Because the people who did this don't actually have to be in contact with any white house people! All they have to do is attempt to contact white house people.

And with out any evidence at all EVERYONE, Just JUMPS To TRUMP Did it He Is GUILTY!
facepalm

Duh!

You don't put down how much you'd pay Trump for a pardon on the registration forms.


Lmao

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He Man  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:14 AM)
Laserz  Wrote: (12-02-2020 02:07 AM)
partial unsealing order

https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/dcd/f...0Order.pdf

Thank you for that link to the PDF.

It is going to be hard for Trump to pardon anybody related to this as it will be challenged in court immediately as a corrupt illegal act of pardoning for corrupt purposes to protect Trump himself.

This is going to get very sticky very quickly.

Pardon powers are not absolute and neither the congress nor the judicial branch want a president to be able to pardon themselves or others involved in illegal schemes that benefit the president directly or his family, his lawyers etc. etc.


Here's a questionable pardon:

President Pardons Ex-GSA, OMB Official

David Safavian served nearly a year in prison for lying about his interactions with lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2020/0...al/163178/

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can't wait to compare that list after the durham special council

lollol
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