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Warning a cme will hit us while we are still inside a solar wind stream! VIDEO!!
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RE: Warning a cme will hit us while we are still inside a solar wind stream! VIDEO!!
The 14th Noa  Wrote: (02-22-2021 09:09 AM)
Listen to this at the moment of speaking we are in a solar wind stream with sustained speeds of 600km/s

Tommorow we will be hit by a cme that was caused by the eruption of a filament the 20th.

This will happen at a time when our magnetosphere is already energized and close to geosynchronous orbits.

There is a high risk for quake activity and ground induced currents tommorow.

Must see video:





Quote of the day: Understanding the question is half an answer.

Is it going to be another Canada's Hydro-Québec incident or worse?

If not, no need to worry unless you're in an airplane...

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RE: Warning a cme will hit us while we are still inside a solar wind stream! VIDEO!!
Sing-IllSway  Wrote: (02-23-2021 01:17 AM)
The 14th Noa  Wrote: (02-22-2021 09:09 AM)
Listen to this at the moment of speaking we are in a solar wind stream with sustained speeds of 600km/s

Tommorow we will be hit by a cme that was caused by the eruption of a filament the 20th.

This will happen at a time when our magnetosphere is already energized and close to geosynchronous orbits.

There is a high risk for quake activity and ground induced currents tommorow.

Must see video:





Quote of the day: Understanding the question is half an answer.

I guess the first thing I thought when I read this was that "the speed" of the solar wind is kind of...irrelevant. At least within the context of how speed usually matters in our everyday life.

For instance, the solar wind travels through space. There's no wind in space. And when it reaches our planet, it runs face-first into the atmosphere and magnetosphere, and that's that. I'm just saying- it's "speed" doesn't really "affect" us.

Also, it's absurd to suggest that the solar wind influences earthquakes in any way. It's just absurd.

Interestingly though I was just watching a video (by a Youtuber who produces content about legitimate astronomy named Anton Petrov) that briefly mentioned the possible risk of another "Carrington Event" sometime in the near future, after the Sun reenters its cyclical "active" phase.

I believe pretty strongly this is something the world's infrastructure should work at preparing for. Because another "Carrington Event" would cripple our society.

It would be actual "doom".


As for this particular CME mentioned in this video, I haven't heard or read anything about it. Although admittedly I haven't read too many astronomy articles this week. I've only watched a few videos.

So who knows.

I think I may look up this ejection which apparently happened on the 20th to verify whether the "doom" espoused in this video is legit. I'm skeptical.

I'm writing this post without having watched this vid yet. Usually, just on moral grounds, I have an aversion to giving certain people on Youtube "views". Although to be fair, I'm not certain if this person in the vid is a "space-doomer", or just an easily excitable enthusiast.

I'll watch it and see what it says. I hope he mentions the size of this allegedly dangerous CME and its trajectory. That would matter a lot more than its "speed".


Incorrect.


"Material" traveling faster will have greater kinetic energy.

Charge moving at higher speeds means more charge hitting the Earth.


"As the wind travels off the sun, it carries charged particles and magnetic clouds. Emitted in all directions, some of the solar wind is constantly buffeting our planet, with interesting effects.

If the material carried by the solar wind reached a planet's surface, its radiation would do severe damage to any life that might exist. Earth's magnetic field serves as a shield, redirecting the material around the planet so that it streams beyond it. The force of the wind stretches out the magnetic field so that it is smooshed inward on the sun-side and stretched out on the night side." https://www.space.com/22215-solar-wind.html


The idea of solar activity is certainly not too "absurd" to warrant study.


Possible correlation between solar activity and global seismicity

Jusoh Mohamad Huzaimy, Kiyohumi Yumoto

Abstract:

Solar activities play significant roles in electromagnetic coupling of the Sun - Earth system. By comparing the 11-year sunspot cycles and global earthquake events during 1963 to 2010 period, it is possible to reveal the correlation of solar and seismic activities. In the present paper, the monthly values of sunspot cycles number 20 to 23 and earthquake events at different magnitude scales were analyzed to examine the relationship of these values and to understand the coupling mechanisms in solar and geomagnetic activities. The sunspot numbers are obtained from Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA database, and earthquake events are extracted from Advanced National Seismic System (ANSS) database. We found a significant correlation between high speed solar wind (HSSW) and great earthquake events (M ≥ 6.0 Richter scale)... https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6015869


Powerful eruptions on the Sun might trigger earthquakes

Ground-shaking earthquakes occur all across the globe. And according to a new study, many of them might be triggered by the Sun.
By Mara Johnson-Groh, July 13, 2020


Through decades of research, scientists have learned that large, powerful earthquakes commonly occur in groups, not in random patterns. But exactly why has so far remained a mystery. Now, new research, published July 13 in Scientific Reports, asserts the first strong — though still disputed — evidence that powerful eruptions on the Sun can trigger mass earthquake events on Earth.
“Large earthquakes all around the world are not evenly distributed … there is some correlation among them,” says Giuseppe De Natale, research director at the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology in Rome and co-author of the new study. “We have tested the hypothesis that solar activity can influence the worldwide [occurrence of earthquakes].” https://astronomy.com/news/2020/07/power...arthquakes
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RE: Warning a cme will hit us while we are still inside a solar wind stream! VIDEO!!
Sing-IllSway  Wrote: (02-23-2021 02:29 AM)
The 14th Noa  Wrote: (02-22-2021 09:09 AM)


Okay so it's a weird video, lol...

As I watched it, I almost started to feel bad about how hard I was in my initial post, because this guy, for the most part, seemed legit and was citing legit sources.

But a few things seemed off, and then at the end, he mentions how he'll be keeping an eye on "earthquake activity" and, for me, that's just...that. (he even uses the term "magnetoquake", which is just....I mean, it's not a word. It is not a term. It is a made up word with no basis whatsoever in science.)

It's strange, because he seems legitimately bright. He's not all that woo. It's baffling to me, then, how he could believe the solar wind effects earthquakes.



There were a few terms used that I wasn't familiar with. So I did a bit of searching online and found this VERY academic article from 2010:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/...09JA015116

"Magnetic field at geosynchronous orbit during high‐speed stream‐driven storms: Connections to the solar wind, the plasma sheet, and the outer electron radiation belt"


It was helpful, and I definitely learned a few new things today (so I guess I'm grateful for this thread...) But the article is VERY dense, lol...I'm relatively familiar with astronomy-terminology, but even I had trouble keeping up.

One thing I should point out, before I forget, noting the speed of the solar wind actually IS relevant to this topic. I understood that better after watching the video, and reading a bit online. My initial reaction was mostly due to the way the speed was presented within the first post of this thread. To me, it read, within that context, as if the speed of the solar wind was as "dangerous" as the speed of a train about to hit you.

But I was mistaken. As far as "threat" to the magnetosphere, the speed is actually important.


That said- HOW MUCH of a threat to our magnetosphere is this CME...?

One of the things that felt off to me about the video was the inference that the magnetosphere is somehow in danger of being overwhelmed because it is "energized" (frustratingly vague term.) This suggests that there's some upper limit to what our magnetosphere can take. There surely is.

But what is it? Exactly?

And how much energy will this CME be contributing to the magnetosphere's workload? Thus, allegedly threatening it (and us)?


The only thing I've personally read that would be a major threat to our magnetosphere would be a nearby supernova. Or a similar high-energy event. Way higher than a CME.

But this brings me to another of my problems with the video: the guy is kind of vague about WHAT KIND of threat the CME allegedly poses. This is why, I believe, the individual who made this thread did so with a bit of unearned urgency.

To certain people, this video could qualify (intentionally or not) as "proof" that we're all f**ked.

But no where in this video does the guy go into specifics about the amount of energy this CME could potentially be dumping onto the magnetosphere to compound the problem (at one point he just refers to the CME as "a wall of particles", which, technically, is what it is, but...)

That...matters. It's all that matters: How much energy, specifically, is possible for this CME to impart onto our magnetosphere? And is that even remotely close to the amount of energy required to do even mild damage?






I did find this paper online, also, from scanning just now, VERY dense and academic, but its title is literally:
"Necessary conditions for geosynchronous magnetopause crossings"
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/...03JA010079



So if anyone's further curious about this subject and wants to give themselves a headache navigating academic vernacular, that's your link ^^^^^^^

I want to say also- I'm not sure about how the guy in the video uses this phrase: "...our magnetosphere already almost reaching geosynchronous orbit".

This sounded strange to me, because the magnetosphere envelops Earth. It does not "orbit" Earth. Ever. It's wrapped around the planet, and it's pretty dynamic, constantly compressing and stretching (as that paper I linked to just taught me.) I literally went and googled the term "magnetosphere in geosynchronous orbit" and got nothing. Not within the context Video Guy uses.

So I don't know. It sounded strange to me at the outset. And I could not find any substantiating elaborations on the term. So...I don't know. My gut tells me he's misusing that phrase. Or rather...he's possibly made it up? I don't know. It just doesn't sound correct. To me.


I think I'm just used to more professionalism out of astronomy content on Youtube. If you're going to claim "major sh*t" is allegedly about to go down (big and bad enough to allegedly "cause earthquakes"), you gotta explain...how.

This guy in the video, he does not explain.


CME's, and space weather in general, have long concerned scientists to such an extent as to justify government action.



Enhancing National Preparedness to Space-Weather Events

October 29, 2015, by Tamara Dickinson and Bill Murtagh

Summary:

Today, OSTP hosted an event and announced new materials and commitments to enhance national space-weather preparedness.

Enhancing Preparedness for Space-Weather Events

Our Nation’s security, economic vitality, and daily functioning depend on the reliable operations of satellites and aircraft, communications networks, navigation systems, and the electric power grid. As these and other, similar technologies and infrastructures become increasingly ubiquitous and interdependent, the United States – and indeed, the world – faces greater risks from the threats posed by space weather events... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blo...her-events


Executive Order -- Coordinating Efforts to Prepare the Nation for Space Weather Events

October 13, 2016

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to prepare the Nation for space weather events, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Policy. Space weather events, in the form of solar flares, solar energetic particles, and geomagnetic disturbances, occur regularly, some with measurable effects on critical infrastructure systems and technologies, such as the Global Positioning System (GPS), satellite operations and communication, aviation, and the electrical power grid. Extreme space weather events -- those that could significantly degrade critical infrastructure -- could disable large portions of the electrical power grid, resulting in cascading failures that would affect key services such as water supply, healthcare, and transportation. Space weather has the potential to simultaneously affect and disrupt health and safety across entire continents. Successfully preparing for space weather events is an all-of-nation endeavor that requires partnerships across governments, emergency managers, academia, the media, the insurance industry, non-profits, and the private sector.

It is the policy of the United States to prepare for space weather events to minimize the extent of economic loss and human hardship... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...her-events



One fairly recent event had some interesting effects:


On the Little‐Known Consequences of the 4 August 1972 Ultra‐Fast Coronal Mass Ejecta: Facts, Commentary, and Call to Action

Delores J. Knipp, Brian J. Fraser, M. A. Shea, D. F. Smart, 25 October 2018

Abstract

Today the extreme space weather events of early August 1972 are discussed as benchmarks for Sun‐Earth transit times of solar ejecta (14.6 hr) and for solar energetic particle fluxes (10 MeV ion flux >70,000 cm−2·s−1·sr−1). Although the magnetic storm index, Dst, dipped to only −125 nT, the magnetopause was observed within 5.2 RE and the plasmapause within 2 RE. Widespread electric‐ and communication‐grid disturbances plagued North America late on 4 August. There was an additional effect, long buried in the Vietnam War archives that add credence to the severity of the storm impact: a nearly instantaneous, unintended detonation of dozens of sea mines south of Hai Phong, North Vietnam on 4 August 1972. The U.S. Navy attributed the dramatic event to magnetic perturbations of solar storms. Herein we discuss how such a finding is broadly consistent with terrestrial effects and technological impacts of the 4 August 1972 event and the propagation of major eruptive activity from the Sun to the Earth. We also provide insight into the solar, geophysical, and military circumstances of this extraordinary situation. In our view this storm deserves a scientific revisit as a grand challenge for the space weather community, as it provides space‐age terrestrial observations of what was likely a Carrington‐class storm... https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/...18SW002024



Consider the implications of that.
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NormalIsSubjective  Wrote: (02-24-2021 12:14 AM)
Sing-IllSway  Wrote: (02-23-2021 01:17 AM)
I guess the first thing I thought when I read this was that "the speed" of the solar wind is kind of...irrelevant. At least within the context of how speed usually matters in our everyday life.

For instance, the solar wind travels through space. There's no wind in space. And when it reaches our planet, it runs face-first into the atmosphere and magnetosphere, and that's that. I'm just saying- it's "speed" doesn't really "affect" us.

Also, it's absurd to suggest that the solar wind influences earthquakes in any way. It's just absurd.

Interestingly though I was just watching a video (by a Youtuber who produces content about legitimate astronomy named Anton Petrov) that briefly mentioned the possible risk of another "Carrington Event" sometime in the near future, after the Sun reenters its cyclical "active" phase.

I believe pretty strongly this is something the world's infrastructure should work at preparing for. Because another "Carrington Event" would cripple our society.

It would be actual "doom".


As for this particular CME mentioned in this video, I haven't heard or read anything about it. Although admittedly I haven't read too many astronomy articles this week. I've only watched a few videos.

So who knows.

I think I may look up this ejection which apparently happened on the 20th to verify whether the "doom" espoused in this video is legit. I'm skeptical.

I'm writing this post without having watched this vid yet. Usually, just on moral grounds, I have an aversion to giving certain people on Youtube "views". Although to be fair, I'm not certain if this person in the vid is a "space-doomer", or just an easily excitable enthusiast.

I'll watch it and see what it says. I hope he mentions the size of this allegedly dangerous CME and its trajectory. That would matter a lot more than its "speed".


Incorrect.


"Material" traveling faster will have greater kinetic energy.

Charge moving at higher speeds means more charge hitting the Earth.


"As the wind travels off the sun, it carries charged particles and magnetic clouds. Emitted in all directions, some of the solar wind is constantly buffeting our planet, with interesting effects.

If the material carried by the solar wind reached a planet's surface, its radiation would do severe damage to any life that might exist. Earth's magnetic field serves as a shield, redirecting the material around the planet so that it streams beyond it. The force of the wind stretches out the magnetic field so that it is smooshed inward on the sun-side and stretched out on the night side." https://www.space.com/22215-solar-wind.html


The idea of solar activity is certainly not too "absurd" to warrant study.


Possible correlation between solar activity and global seismicity

Jusoh Mohamad Huzaimy, Kiyohumi Yumoto

Abstract:

Solar activities play significant roles in electromagnetic coupling of the Sun - Earth system. By comparing the 11-year sunspot cycles and global earthquake events during 1963 to 2010 period, it is possible to reveal the correlation of solar and seismic activities. In the present paper, the monthly values of sunspot cycles number 20 to 23 and earthquake events at different magnitude scales were analyzed to examine the relationship of these values and to understand the coupling mechanisms in solar and geomagnetic activities. The sunspot numbers are obtained from Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA database, and earthquake events are extracted from Advanced National Seismic System (ANSS) database. We found a significant correlation between high speed solar wind (HSSW) and great earthquake events (M ≥ 6.0 Richter scale)... https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6015869


Powerful eruptions on the Sun might trigger earthquakes

Ground-shaking earthquakes occur all across the globe. And according to a new study, many of them might be triggered by the Sun.
By Mara Johnson-Groh, July 13, 2020


Through decades of research, scientists have learned that large, powerful earthquakes commonly occur in groups, not in random patterns. But exactly why has so far remained a mystery. Now, new research, published July 13 in Scientific Reports, asserts the first strong — though still disputed — evidence that powerful eruptions on the Sun can trigger mass earthquake events on Earth.
“Large earthquakes all around the world are not evenly distributed … there is some correlation among them,” says Giuseppe De Natale, research director at the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology in Rome and co-author of the new study. “We have tested the hypothesis that solar activity can influence the worldwide [occurrence of earthquakes].” https://astronomy.com/news/2020/07/power...arthquakes

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A wise word for English language learners.
Don't try to learn English from a lunatic forum.
The comparative form of good is better.
The superlative form is best.

Don't look now, it's a grammar nazi Scream1

Ha. I'm the last one to say anything to anyone about grammer. Still, that is phucking hilarious. Ha ha. It's the little things in life. ha
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5.6 EQ Iceland, followed by a 5.0 and many many aftershocks....
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ambient  Wrote: (02-24-2021 04:56 PM)
5.6 EQ Iceland, followed by a 5.0 and many many aftershocks....

The CME only grazed Earth too.

If a big one hits the grid goes down for a long long time

The funny thing is that world governments fully know this, but
still waste trillions on their military preparing to fight some bogey-man
enemy while wasting resources as fast as is humanly possible.
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Did we dieded yet?
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