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Ben Sira , the jesus before jesus
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"The Jewish sage and author Jesus ben Sira (born ca. 170 B.C.), or Sirach, is the reputed author of the wisdom book commonly called Ecclesiasticus.

According to the Hebrew text of Ecclesiasticus, the author's full name was Simeon ben Jeshua ben Elazar ben Sira. The Greek text, however, and most of the Christian sources refer to him as Jesus, the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Joshua. In the prologue to his Greek version, Jesus Ben Sira's grandson dates his translation from the Hebrew into Greek at a time calculated to be 132-131 B.C. From this it is surmised that the original Hebrew text was written about 4 decades earlier, making it the oldest book of the Apocrypha. In Hebrew the volume was called Hokhmat Ben Sira (The Wisdom of Ben Sira). In Greek the work is known as Ecclesiasticus (The Preacher). It is similar in form and content to the Hebrew Book of Proverbs and to Ecclesiastes."

https://biography.yourdictionary.com/jesus-ben-sira

link to copy of his book , Sirach or Ecclesiasticus

https://biblescripture.net/Sirach.html

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That's one book I remained impressed by. Really gives you hope we can figure out what's going on in Crazy Town Earth. Perhaps the Dune 'Preacher' was in on this particular joke.



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Lakeofmarch  Wrote: (11-27-2021 08:22 PM)
That's one book I remained impressed by. Really gives you hope we can figure out what's going on in Crazy Town Earth. Perhaps the Dune 'Preacher' was in on this particular joke.



ecclesiasticus isnt the same book as ecclesiastes

ecclesiasticus is one of books of apocrypha

ecclesiastes is in orthodox canon , written by king solomon

...just in case you werent aware , thought you were confusing the two

“Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
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"True friends are rare to come by these days; a show of friendship very often hides some private ends. Man's mind is defiled by self-interest. So, becoming disillusioned, roam alone like a rhinoceros." --Gautama Buddha
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The Book of Sirach, also called the Wisdom of Sirach or simply Sirach (/ˈsaɪræk/), and also known as the Book of Ecclesiasticus (/ɪˌkliːziˈæstɪkəs/; abbreviated Ecclus.)[1] or Ben Sira,[2] is a Jewish work originally in Hebrew of ethical teachings, from approximately 200 to 175 BCE, written by the Jewish scribe Ben Sira of Jerusalem, on the inspiration of his father Joshua son of Sirach, sometimes called Jesus son of Sirach or Yeshua ben Eliezer ben Sira.

In Egypt, it was translated into Greek by the author's unnamed grandson, who added a prologue. This prologue is generally considered the earliest witness to a canon of the books of the prophets, and thus the date of the text is the subject of intense scrutiny. The book itself is the largest wisdom book from antiquity to have survived.[3]
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirach

Interesting, wasn't really aware of this

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singing spider  Wrote: (11-27-2021 08:42 PM)
Interesting, wasn't really aware of this


neither was i until fairly recently , amazing how many people who consider themselves
knowlegeable christians and jews have never read less read the wisdom literature , apocrypha , gnostic gospels etc .

the neo platonists should be read as well to get an understanding of how the religions took form as well imo.

“Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

"True friends are rare to come by these days; a show of friendship very often hides some private ends. Man's mind is defiled by self-interest. So, becoming disillusioned, roam alone like a rhinoceros." --Gautama Buddha
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RE: Ben Sira , the jesus before jesus
prosthetic brain  Wrote: (11-27-2021 08:49 PM)
singing spider  Wrote: (11-27-2021 08:42 PM)
Interesting, wasn't really aware of this


neither was i until fairly recently , amazing how many people who consider themselves
knowlegeable christians and jews have never read less read the wisdom literature , apocrypha , gnostic gospels etc .

the neo platonists should be read as well to get an understanding of how the religions took form as well imo.

Not many of the overzealous type here in Germany, luckily
It was a baffling experience to encounter them on the internet chuckle
Personally I am interested in all religions and myths around the world
Looking at parallels, differences, possible roots, effects on societies and so on

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JesusIsDerivative...



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