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Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
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So now you are saying that gravity is real but it is really just density? You changed the subject from gravity to specific gravity as if they were the same thing?

A while ago you were saying that there was no such thing as gravity. You are very inconsistent.

I couldn't figure out if you were just not very bright or if you were intentionally misleading people in order to muddy the waters.

I told you what gravity is, it is a hypothesis of why things fall down and yes there most certainly is a down, one can fall in no other direction regardless of the nature of the force that is pulling one down toward the earth. This is easily provable via scientific experimentation. Gravity is not the same as specific gravity.

Even shep finally got wise to your shenanigans or lack of understanding huh (whatever the case may be) so that is a point for him.

I explained alot of this stuff to you years ago but like a toddler you plugged your ears and just repeated what your mommy (eric dugay the shill) told you over and over.

You think that if you repeat the disinfo over and over it will become true or people will just accept it. You are wrong.

People like you are the reason that others laugh at the possibility of a flat earth, once you open your mouth and the ignorance flows out, the only ones who stick around to hear the actual facts are the ones that were too stupid to understand that you don't know what you are talking about and you just attempt to sound smart by copy pasting things that you cannot actually grasp intellectually.

The sad thing is that alot of what you post is true and good info but you completely ruin it's credibility along with your own and the credibility of the whole subject by constantly spouting nonsense and ignoring any and all counter points. But you already know this don't you?

You look like a duck, you walk like a duck and you quack like a duck so a duck you must be.

Now you are even using socks praising yourself in order to convince others that you are great. No one is dumb enough to believe that people are pining over you the way that these fake comments do. Give me a break.

If the earth is flat, you are here to make sure that no one bu idiots will believe it and if they do, you make sure that they sound like retards to everyone else so the idea cannot spread.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
Remember this? from feb 6 2016

False Flat Earth Arguments That Should Be Avoided


1. Water is self leveling therefore it cannot form a sphere but must remain flat.

Water does indeed form spheres naturally when in free float such as in a zero g flight. The question is: will it form a sphere around a marble or rock or will it naturally come off of the marble or rock and form a sphere by itself apart from the marble or rock. Water is only self leveling when resting on a surface with a downforce holding it in place. On a globe a sphere of water would be level to the globe it is resting upon. Actually, if we want to get real about it, we should state that water when not being acted upon by the force of gravity (or whatever it is) seeks to form spheres. It is gravity (or whatever it is) that seeks to make water flat or level/parallel to the surface that it rests upon.

2. When a rocket leaves the atmosphere (which is hypothetically moving with the rotation of the earth at a thousand miles per hour at the equator) and enters into the vacuum of space it should encounter some resistance or force during the transition and be destroyed or severely disturbed just like one would expect when throwing a paper airplane from the window of a moving car.

This is false because there is hypothetically nothing in the vacuum of space for the rocket to encounter which would cause any kind of drag or resistance and therefore the rocket would just carry on with its natural or propelled trajectory. It is the wind resistance that opposes and slows the paper plane after it has left the car. No air, no wind, no resistance, no affect.

3. Rivers would have to be traveling up hill on a globe.

There is no up or down in space. North is not the same as up and south is not the same as down. Up, on the globe is simply the direction away from the center of mass of the earth. And down is the direction towards the center of mass of the earth. We will never see a river flowing up a mountain or in any direction that is moving away from the center of mass but rather always flowing in whatever direction where the ground is closer to the center of mass of the earth than where the water is coming from.

4. Day and night should be at opposite times every six months on the globe model.

This one is false because by adding a little extra time to each day this has been compensated for in the globe model. Instead of a day being the time it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees it is calculated to be 1/365 of the time it takes to orbit the sun.

5. Days and nights should be the same amount of time everywhere on earth.

This is false due to the supposed tilt of the earth. Because of this tilt the sun shines more on the northern or southern hemisphere depending on the respective season. Since the sun is covering more of one hemisphere then the other and because of the curvature of a sphere this just is not true.

6. Airplane would go faster in one direction than the other.

This is false due to the atmosphere mostly moving along with the earth due to the friction the earth and everything on it exerts on the atmosphere. Seemingly the higher up one goes the slower the air would be moving. Since the plane is propelling itself by pushing the air behind it, the planes speed will be in direct relation to the movement or lack of movement of the air it is flying through.

7. Doppler effect

I just encountered this one and it is false for the same basic reason the airplane one is false. The sound is moving through the air so the supposed momentum of the air negates the idea that Mr. thriving off his controlled opposition shill paycheck’s video presents. It is the speed of the sound in relation to the air that matters, not in relation to the earth or supposed outer space.

8. The horizon always remains at eye level no matter how high you go.

Although the general idea is correct it, this statement is false. In reality the horizon is never at eye level unless you are laying flat on the ground looking out at it. Just look at some pics of the horizon if you can’t go to a beach or a large field to see for yourself, the top part above the horizon is always larger than the bottom part if the pic.
It seems that some of us are doing exactly what we accuse the globers of, just believing what we were told instead of using our own eyes and good sense.

Also, the horizon does slowly get lower and lower as one gets higher and higher, this is just a matter of simple physics, it just happens at an almost undetectable rate. You can’t really believe that if you kept traveling straight up for 10 years that the horizon would still be even in view let alone at eye level or anything close to it.

As soon as you say this to someone they can rightfully say, “no that’s not true” and you are discredited.
In order to correct this we should simply state that the horizon always rises with you as you gain altitude instead of shrinking downward as it should on a globe.



9. Density replaces gravity.

This is false because gravity is a theoretical force and density is a physical attribute of a given substance. This really is a case of apples and oranges. Gravity is the force (on the globe model) that causes more dense materials to settle below less dense materials such as a stone settling to the bottom of the sea whereas density is really just a measurement of how much pull gravity has on an object based on how tightly packed the molecules or atoms are. If there were no force acting upon the material to pull It downward or in a given direction then there would be no up or down.

The only thing that can replace gravity as the force that pulls all things downward is another force. I don’t know what that force may be (possibly some type of molecular magnetism?) but I do know that density is not a force and therefore this argument is bunk.



10. If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph then North/South facing cannons should establish a control while East-firing cannonballs should fall significantly farther than all others while West-firing cannonballs should fall significantly closer. In actual fact, however, regardless of which direction cannons are fired, the distance covered is always the same.

This is the same basic argument as with the airplanes and Doppler effect and is false for the same basic reasons.
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“…men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to dwell upon the essence. It should be borne in mind also that these forms are often their own creations...”
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-12-2018 07:16 PM)
Remember this? from feb 6 2016

False Flat Earth Arguments That Should Be Avoided


1. Water is self leveling therefore it cannot form a sphere but must remain flat.

Water does indeed form spheres naturally when in free float such as in a zero g flight. The question is: will it form a sphere around a marble or rock or will it naturally come off of the marble or rock and form a sphere by itself apart from the marble or rock. Water is only self leveling when resting on a surface with a downforce holding it in place. On a globe a sphere of water would be level to the globe it is resting upon. Actually, if we want to get real about it, we should state that water when not being acted upon by the force of gravity (or whatever it is) seeks to form spheres. It is gravity (or whatever it is) that seeks to make water flat or level/parallel to the surface that it rests upon.

2. When a rocket leaves the atmosphere (which is hypothetically moving with the rotation of the earth at a thousand miles per hour at the equator) and enters into the vacuum of space it should encounter some resistance or force during the transition and be destroyed or severely disturbed just like one would expect when throwing a paper airplane from the window of a moving car.

This is false because there is hypothetically nothing in the vacuum of space for the rocket to encounter which would cause any kind of drag or resistance and therefore the rocket would just carry on with its natural or propelled trajectory. It is the wind resistance that opposes and slows the paper plane after it has left the car. No air, no wind, no resistance, no affect.

3. Rivers would have to be traveling up hill on a globe.

There is no up or down in space. North is not the same as up and south is not the same as down. Up, on the globe is simply the direction away from the center of mass of the earth. And down is the direction towards the center of mass of the earth. We will never see a river flowing up a mountain or in any direction that is moving away from the center of mass but rather always flowing in whatever direction where the ground is closer to the center of mass of the earth than where the water is coming from.

4. Day and night should be at opposite times every six months on the globe model.

This one is false because by adding a little extra time to each day this has been compensated for in the globe model. Instead of a day being the time it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees it is calculated to be 1/365 of the time it takes to orbit the sun.

5. Days and nights should be the same amount of time everywhere on earth.

This is false due to the supposed tilt of the earth. Because of this tilt the sun shines more on the northern or southern hemisphere depending on the respective season. Since the sun is covering more of one hemisphere then the other and because of the curvature of a sphere this just is not true.

6. Airplane would go faster in one direction than the other.

This is false due to the atmosphere mostly moving along with the earth due to the friction the earth and everything on it exerts on the atmosphere. Seemingly the higher up one goes the slower the air would be moving. Since the plane is propelling itself by pushing the air behind it, the planes speed will be in direct relation to the movement or lack of movement of the air it is flying through.

7. Doppler effect

I just encountered this one and it is false for the same basic reason the airplane one is false. The sound is moving through the air so the supposed momentum of the air negates the idea that Mr. thriving off his controlled opposition shill paycheck’s video presents. It is the speed of the sound in relation to the air that matters, not in relation to the earth or supposed outer space.

8. The horizon always remains at eye level no matter how high you go.

Although the general idea is correct it, this statement is false. In reality the horizon is never at eye level unless you are laying flat on the ground looking out at it. Just look at some pics of the horizon if you can’t go to a beach or a large field to see for yourself, the top part above the horizon is always larger than the bottom part if the pic.
It seems that some of us are doing exactly what we accuse the globers of, just believing what we were told instead of using our own eyes and good sense.

Also, the horizon does slowly get lower and lower as one gets higher and higher, this is just a matter of simple physics, it just happens at an almost undetectable rate. You can’t really believe that if you kept traveling straight up for 10 years that the horizon would still be even in view let alone at eye level or anything close to it.

As soon as you say this to someone they can rightfully say, “no that’s not true” and you are discredited.
In order to correct this we should simply state that the horizon always rises with you as you gain altitude instead of shrinking downward as it should on a globe.



9. Density replaces gravity.

This is false because gravity is a theoretical force and density is a physical attribute of a given substance. This really is a case of apples and oranges. Gravity is the force (on the globe model) that causes more dense materials to settle below less dense materials such as a stone settling to the bottom of the sea whereas density is really just a measurement of how much pull gravity has on an object based on how tightly packed the molecules or atoms are. If there were no force acting upon the material to pull It downward or in a given direction then there would be no up or down.

The only thing that can replace gravity as the force that pulls all things downward is another force. I don’t know what that force may be (possibly some type of molecular magnetism?) but I do know that density is not a force and therefore this argument is bunk.



10. If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph then North/South facing cannons should establish a control while East-firing cannonballs should fall significantly farther than all others while West-firing cannonballs should fall significantly closer. In actual fact, however, regardless of which direction cannons are fired, the distance covered is always the same.

This is the same basic argument as with the airplanes and Doppler effect and is false for the same basic reasons.

I made this in order to counter your stupidity that was turning people off to the idea.

I see you have changed your narrative a bit since then but not nearly enough for it to be coherent.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-12-2018 07:19 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-12-2018 07:16 PM)
Remember this? from feb 6 2016

False Flat Earth Arguments That Should Be Avoided


1. Water is self leveling therefore it cannot form a sphere but must remain flat.

Water does indeed form spheres naturally when in free float such as in a zero g flight. The question is: will it form a sphere around a marble or rock or will it naturally come off of the marble or rock and form a sphere by itself apart from the marble or rock. Water is only self leveling when resting on a surface with a downforce holding it in place. On a globe a sphere of water would be level to the globe it is resting upon. Actually, if we want to get real about it, we should state that water when not being acted upon by the force of gravity (or whatever it is) seeks to form spheres. It is gravity (or whatever it is) that seeks to make water flat or level/parallel to the surface that it rests upon.

2. When a rocket leaves the atmosphere (which is hypothetically moving with the rotation of the earth at a thousand miles per hour at the equator) and enters into the vacuum of space it should encounter some resistance or force during the transition and be destroyed or severely disturbed just like one would expect when throwing a paper airplane from the window of a moving car.

This is false because there is hypothetically nothing in the vacuum of space for the rocket to encounter which would cause any kind of drag or resistance and therefore the rocket would just carry on with its natural or propelled trajectory. It is the wind resistance that opposes and slows the paper plane after it has left the car. No air, no wind, no resistance, no affect.

3. Rivers would have to be traveling up hill on a globe.

There is no up or down in space. North is not the same as up and south is not the same as down. Up, on the globe is simply the direction away from the center of mass of the earth. And down is the direction towards the center of mass of the earth. We will never see a river flowing up a mountain or in any direction that is moving away from the center of mass but rather always flowing in whatever direction where the ground is closer to the center of mass of the earth than where the water is coming from.

4. Day and night should be at opposite times every six months on the globe model.

This one is false because by adding a little extra time to each day this has been compensated for in the globe model. Instead of a day being the time it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees it is calculated to be 1/365 of the time it takes to orbit the sun.

5. Days and nights should be the same amount of time everywhere on earth.

This is false due to the supposed tilt of the earth. Because of this tilt the sun shines more on the northern or southern hemisphere depending on the respective season. Since the sun is covering more of one hemisphere then the other and because of the curvature of a sphere this just is not true.

6. Airplane would go faster in one direction than the other.

This is false due to the atmosphere mostly moving along with the earth due to the friction the earth and everything on it exerts on the atmosphere. Seemingly the higher up one goes the slower the air would be moving. Since the plane is propelling itself by pushing the air behind it, the planes speed will be in direct relation to the movement or lack of movement of the air it is flying through.

7. Doppler effect

I just encountered this one and it is false for the same basic reason the airplane one is false. The sound is moving through the air so the supposed momentum of the air negates the idea that Mr. thriving off his controlled opposition shill paycheck’s video presents. It is the speed of the sound in relation to the air that matters, not in relation to the earth or supposed outer space.

8. The horizon always remains at eye level no matter how high you go.

Although the general idea is correct it, this statement is false. In reality the horizon is never at eye level unless you are laying flat on the ground looking out at it. Just look at some pics of the horizon if you can’t go to a beach or a large field to see for yourself, the top part above the horizon is always larger than the bottom part if the pic.
It seems that some of us are doing exactly what we accuse the globers of, just believing what we were told instead of using our own eyes and good sense.

Also, the horizon does slowly get lower and lower as one gets higher and higher, this is just a matter of simple physics, it just happens at an almost undetectable rate. You can’t really believe that if you kept traveling straight up for 10 years that the horizon would still be even in view let alone at eye level or anything close to it.

As soon as you say this to someone they can rightfully say, “no that’s not true” and you are discredited.
In order to correct this we should simply state that the horizon always rises with you as you gain altitude instead of shrinking downward as it should on a globe.



9. Density replaces gravity.

This is false because gravity is a theoretical force and density is a physical attribute of a given substance. This really is a case of apples and oranges. Gravity is the force (on the globe model) that causes more dense materials to settle below less dense materials such as a stone settling to the bottom of the sea whereas density is really just a measurement of how much pull gravity has on an object based on how tightly packed the molecules or atoms are. If there were no force acting upon the material to pull It downward or in a given direction then there would be no up or down.

The only thing that can replace gravity as the force that pulls all things downward is another force. I don’t know what that force may be (possibly some type of molecular magnetism?) but I do know that density is not a force and therefore this argument is bunk.



10. If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph then North/South facing cannons should establish a control while East-firing cannonballs should fall significantly farther than all others while West-firing cannonballs should fall significantly closer. In actual fact, however, regardless of which direction cannons are fired, the distance covered is always the same.

This is the same basic argument as with the airplanes and Doppler effect and is false for the same basic reasons.

I made this in order to counter your stupidity that was turning people off to the idea.

I see you have changed your narrative a bit since then but not nearly enough for it to be coherent.

What did you make to counter your stupidity that was turning people off to the idea ???

I see you have changed your narrative a bit since then but not nearly enough for it to be coherent.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-12-2018 07:19 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-12-2018 07:16 PM)
Remember this? from feb 6 2016

False Flat Earth Arguments That Should Be Avoided


1. Water is self leveling therefore it cannot form a sphere but must remain flat.

Water does indeed form spheres naturally when in free float such as in a zero g flight. The question is: will it form a sphere around a marble or rock or will it naturally come off of the marble or rock and form a sphere by itself apart from the marble or rock. Water is only self leveling when resting on a surface with a downforce holding it in place. On a globe a sphere of water would be level to the globe it is resting upon. Actually, if we want to get real about it, we should state that water when not being acted upon by the force of gravity (or whatever it is) seeks to form spheres. It is gravity (or whatever it is) that seeks to make water flat or level/parallel to the surface that it rests upon.

2. When a rocket leaves the atmosphere (which is hypothetically moving with the rotation of the earth at a thousand miles per hour at the equator) and enters into the vacuum of space it should encounter some resistance or force during the transition and be destroyed or severely disturbed just like one would expect when throwing a paper airplane from the window of a moving car.

This is false because there is hypothetically nothing in the vacuum of space for the rocket to encounter which would cause any kind of drag or resistance and therefore the rocket would just carry on with its natural or propelled trajectory. It is the wind resistance that opposes and slows the paper plane after it has left the car. No air, no wind, no resistance, no affect.

3. Rivers would have to be traveling up hill on a globe.

There is no up or down in space. North is not the same as up and south is not the same as down. Up, on the globe is simply the direction away from the center of mass of the earth. And down is the direction towards the center of mass of the earth. We will never see a river flowing up a mountain or in any direction that is moving away from the center of mass but rather always flowing in whatever direction where the ground is closer to the center of mass of the earth than where the water is coming from.

4. Day and night should be at opposite times every six months on the globe model.

This one is false because by adding a little extra time to each day this has been compensated for in the globe model. Instead of a day being the time it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees it is calculated to be 1/365 of the time it takes to orbit the sun.

5. Days and nights should be the same amount of time everywhere on earth.

This is false due to the supposed tilt of the earth. Because of this tilt the sun shines more on the northern or southern hemisphere depending on the respective season. Since the sun is covering more of one hemisphere then the other and because of the curvature of a sphere this just is not true.

6. Airplane would go faster in one direction than the other.

This is false due to the atmosphere mostly moving along with the earth due to the friction the earth and everything on it exerts on the atmosphere. Seemingly the higher up one goes the slower the air would be moving. Since the plane is propelling itself by pushing the air behind it, the planes speed will be in direct relation to the movement or lack of movement of the air it is flying through.

7. Doppler effect

I just encountered this one and it is false for the same basic reason the airplane one is false. The sound is moving through the air so the supposed momentum of the air negates the idea that Mr. thriving off his controlled opposition shill paycheck’s video presents. It is the speed of the sound in relation to the air that matters, not in relation to the earth or supposed outer space.

8. The horizon always remains at eye level no matter how high you go.

Although the general idea is correct it, this statement is false. In reality the horizon is never at eye level unless you are laying flat on the ground looking out at it. Just look at some pics of the horizon if you can’t go to a beach or a large field to see for yourself, the top part above the horizon is always larger than the bottom part if the pic.
It seems that some of us are doing exactly what we accuse the globers of, just believing what we were told instead of using our own eyes and good sense.

Also, the horizon does slowly get lower and lower as one gets higher and higher, this is just a matter of simple physics, it just happens at an almost undetectable rate. You can’t really believe that if you kept traveling straight up for 10 years that the horizon would still be even in view let alone at eye level or anything close to it.

As soon as you say this to someone they can rightfully say, “no that’s not true” and you are discredited.
In order to correct this we should simply state that the horizon always rises with you as you gain altitude instead of shrinking downward as it should on a globe.



9. Density replaces gravity.

This is false because gravity is a theoretical force and density is a physical attribute of a given substance. This really is a case of apples and oranges. Gravity is the force (on the globe model) that causes more dense materials to settle below less dense materials such as a stone settling to the bottom of the sea whereas density is really just a measurement of how much pull gravity has on an object based on how tightly packed the molecules or atoms are. If there were no force acting upon the material to pull It downward or in a given direction then there would be no up or down.

The only thing that can replace gravity as the force that pulls all things downward is another force. I don’t know what that force may be (possibly some type of molecular magnetism?) but I do know that density is not a force and therefore this argument is bunk.



10. If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph then North/South facing cannons should establish a control while East-firing cannonballs should fall significantly farther than all others while West-firing cannonballs should fall significantly closer. In actual fact, however, regardless of which direction cannons are fired, the distance covered is always the same.

This is the same basic argument as with the airplanes and Doppler effect and is false for the same basic reasons.

I made this in order to counter your stupidity that was turning people off to the idea.

I see you have changed your narrative a bit since then but not nearly enough for it to be coherent.

Who are you talking to?

Your specious arguments offer hypothetical answers. The tilt, for example, which doesn't make sense when one looks at the evenly warm temps at the equator. And you still trot out gravity as a force, which compels oceans to adhere to a spinning ball, while allowing clouds and butterflies to ignore this great and powerful force.

Then you wave your magic wand at the atmosphere and make it sync perfectly with the ball. It spins 1000 mph at the equator and 1 mph at the North Pole. How?

You argue with assumptions and blatant disregard for facts. For one the horizon, which no amount of gradual rise will ever explain the lack of curve at 5 miles, 10, miles, 20 miles.




• 37 Experiments Proving FE: https://youtu.be/OoxhDtnRmBk
• 200 Proofs Earth Is Not a Spinning Ball, http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/...-ball.html
• GE do-it-yourself math --> 8xd^; FE = |___180°___|
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I made this in order to counter your stupidity that was turning people off to the idea.

I see you have changed your narrative a bit since then but not nearly enough for it to be coherent.

Who are you talking to?

Your specious arguments offer hypothetical answers. The tilt, for example, which doesn't make sense when one looks at the evenly warm temps at the equator. And you still trot out gravity as a force, which compels oceans to adhere to a spinning ball, while allowing clouds and butterflies to ignore this great and powerful force.

Then you wave your magic wand at the atmosphere and make it sync perfectly with the ball. It spins 1000 mph at the equator and 1 mph at the North Pole. How?

You argue with assumptions and blatant disregard for facts. For one the horizon, which no amount of gradual rise will ever explain the lack of curve at 5 miles, 10, miles, 20 miles.




Wind, grav. Wind.
Only you and your flattard buddies claim the atmosphere moves in sync with the planet.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
many posts worth a careful read and study and consideration.
a lot to take in here - https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-30-page-562.html - Truth page.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-30-page-538.html
https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-30-page-539.html
https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-30-page-548.html

Thumbnail Zoom Plus for firefox, or similar for your browser... hover link and photo pops up... still, save them if you wish.
https://alternativeto.net/software/thumbnail-zoom-plus/

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-30-page-153.html ◄▬ Photo posts start at this page :)

built on level foundations NOT flat earth. earth, the dry land, is mostly bumpy. water at rest is LEVEL.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCwO1AHvWWI
"put that in your pipe and smoke it" mr anderson :)

there are NO atheists and as far as miracles and other works of YHWH...
creation IS quite the miracle, an amazing demonstration of exactly what you try to deny.
anti-Christ... any one who goes against or instead of Yeshua The Son of The Living GOD YHWH.

you do not seek truth, you wish to comfort yourself while despising my Father.
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grav  Wrote: (06-13-2018 02:24 AM)
Who are you talking to?

Your specious arguments offer hypothetical answers. The tilt, for example, which doesn't make sense when one looks at the evenly warm temps at the equator. And you still trot out gravity as a force, which compels oceans to adhere to a spinning ball, while allowing clouds and butterflies to ignore this great and powerful force.

Then you wave your magic wand at the atmosphere and make it sync perfectly with the ball. It spins 1000 mph at the equator and 1 mph at the North Pole. How?

You argue with assumptions and blatant disregard for facts. For one the horizon, which no amount of gradual rise will ever explain the lack of curve at 5 miles, 10, miles, 20 miles.




Wind, grav. Wind.
Only you and your flattard buddies claim the atmosphere moves in sync with the planet.

Wind, hmm. So air does or doesn't move at the same speed as the surface below it? in my case, ~800 mph. Please clarify how the atmosphere is usually still on the spinning ball, winds notwithstanding. Hurricanes and tornadoes reach 70 to 300 mph.

And globetards believe this monkeyshine, Sarcastic1
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Here is another olde mappe of the world which curiously shows land in the Arctic and Antarctic.




Has an ancient AE Circular Flat Earth Map Just Been Discovered?

Rob Skiba
Published on Dec 19, 2017

So, a friend just sent me a link to an article that was published yesterday (12/18/2017) regarding a ancient map, created by someone named Urbano Monte in 1587. Wow. Is this a crazy cool map! Here is the link to the article I am reading in this video: http://www.ancientpages.com/2017/12/1... The article links to another site, which has very high resolution images of the map: https://www.davidrumsey.com/blog/2017... I have uploaded the three versions of it that I discussed in this video plus the side-by-side comparison with the Gleason's AE Map to my TestingTheGlobe.com website. You can download them with the links below (be warned, they are HUGE files): http://www.testingtheglobe.com/images... http://www.testingtheglobe.com/images... http://www.testingtheglobe.com/images... http://www.testingtheglobe.com/images...

• 37 Experiments Proving FE: https://youtu.be/OoxhDtnRmBk
• 200 Proofs Earth Is Not a Spinning Ball, http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/...-ball.html
• GE do-it-yourself math --> 8xd^; FE = |___180°___|
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
Coast-to-Coast, the pre-eminent site which explores wacky paranormal stuff, chose to broadcast an episode about FE.
For some weird reason 1dunno1 they forget to mention the optical effect called lensing, which happens when lines of convergence meet at the
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There are more proofs of this fact than you can shake a stick at. But, noooooo. Let's just go with a childish magic trick that some freemason thought up.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/f...-face-off/
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June 11, 2018
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Flat Earthers and Skeptics Face Off
A gathering of skeptics and Flat Earth enthusiasts came together in California over the weekend for a summit that may rival Donald Trump meeting Kim Jong-Un when it comes to sheer strangeness. The curious confab came together after James Underdown, who leads a skeptical group based out of Los Angeles, announced plans to demonstrate that the planet is round via a series of experiments at the Salton Sea. He told a local TV station that, after seeing the stunning rise in popularity online for the Flat Earth, he felt compelled to debunk the idea and "decided to sort of address this in person" rather than through blog posts or YouTube videos.

Word of the event made its way to the ever-vigilant Flat Earth research community and led to a little over two dozen passionate advocates for the idea showing up at Underwood's undertaking. As the conspiracy theorists looked on, the skeptic showed, by way of a boat sailing on the sea, that the curvature of the Earth can been seen by how stripes on the ship slowly disappeared from view. However, the classic example often used by critics did little to convince the Flat Earth fans in attendance.

When asked if anyone from his group had changed their mind about the shape of the planet, prominent Flat Earth researcher and former C2C guest Mark Sargent succinctly told KESQ, "not a chance." And a fascinating look at the event from the perspective of the Flat Earth camp can be seen in a YouTube video produced by one researcher at the scene. The reaction to the proceedings was largely amusement over the experiments, which they claim "overlooked atmospheric conditions" and were subsequently dubbed "laughable."

For his part, Underwood didn't seem too surprised that he failed to convert the conspiracy theorists, since "they're obviously not convinced by all the other evidence that is out there." In fact, the skeptic seemed more concerned with the general public who may have heard about the conspiracy theory and might be tempted to entertain the idea. As such, he deemed the event a success and, since there were no fisticuffs between the Flat Earth fans and skeptics, we're inclined to agree.

Was Mark Sargent quoted about why the boat's stripes disappeared? Guess.

• 37 Experiments Proving FE: https://youtu.be/OoxhDtnRmBk
• 200 Proofs Earth Is Not a Spinning Ball, http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/...-ball.html
• GE do-it-yourself math --> 8xd^; FE = |___180°___|
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Post: #9012
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
A look is a "loon" when autocorrect kicks in.
And you can still take a short nonstop flight to Australia from Chile. So unless you can give me a route that does not work on this globe earth to prove your denial of fact, shut up. You can't define an edge, can't truly define the shape and boundaries. The world operates off time and measurements, real ones.
If your position requires denial of actual measurable facts, time and distance. You suggest a completely different reality where none of the measurements for time or distance matter. Oh, you hit my imaginary edge! Science says that you get teleported to the other side for magical convenience! Lunacy.
But you have at it dude. I hope you never have to make an important decision where lives matter because ignorance won't keep you out of jail. Better yet, go to flight school and fly for air Israel or something.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-13-2018 04:23 PM)
A look is a "loon" when autocorrect kicks in.
And you can still take a short nonstop flight to Australia from Chile. So unless you can give me a route that does not work on this globe earth to prove your denial of fact, shut up. You can't define an edge, can't truly define the shape and boundaries. The world operates off time and measurements, real ones.
If your position requires denial of actual measurable facts, time and distance. You suggest a completely different reality where none of the measurements for time or distance matter. Oh, you hit my imaginary edge! Science says that you get teleported to the other side for magical convenience! Lunacy.
But you have at it dude. I hope you never have to make an important decision where lives matter because ignorance won't keep you out of jail. Better yet, go to flight school and fly for air Israel or something.

Dudette, actually.

We have seen nonstop flights advertised. Cheap rates too!!
Why this proves anything is beyond my feeble powers of mind reading.

Flights happen. So? As for the nonstop promise, so? We have seen a few people who booked a flight which never took place. How long can a plane fly without refueling? Frankly, my dear Scarlet, I don't know. Can we get testimony from a pilot who flies this route?
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Gee, you have a lot of anger in you. I'd say I would pray for your peace of mind, except that I don't pray. Good luck with all your plans. Say hi to the other Nasa fanboys who still stick with the handbook. Alas, we have lost many debunkers. Some just fade away, because ................. 1dunno1
Can we at least agree on something, anything? Like this official 100% bona fide image of our big beautiful blue marble? Bodacious, no?

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Who do you fly for, guest? Let me guess. El Al? no. Nasa? no. Aeroflot? ummmmmm, maybe.

• 37 Experiments Proving FE: https://youtu.be/OoxhDtnRmBk
• 200 Proofs Earth Is Not a Spinning Ball, http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/...-ball.html
• GE do-it-yourself math --> 8xd^; FE = |___180°___|
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Post: #9014
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
24 hour analog clock of the world.
http://i68.tinypic.com/2u7vj9s.jpg
the clockworks came from clockparts.com, they have one 24 hour high torque movement gadget for $22 + 10 shipping. it does
not always keep accurate time, doing really good now, probably a strong AA battery at first made it run fast.
http://i63.tinypic.com/2edvbkg.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/13zqwx1.jpg
using the 24 hour analog clock over gleason map mentioned above, the "hour hand" is the location of the sun (in the sky) over the world at all times of the day. and i demonstrate the movement of the sun, moon and wandering stars between the tropics.
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it is way easier to stick to the Truth, than to point out lies... there are SO MANY lies.

we live in a dish full of water, placed on foundations(with a basement), and with lights place in the roof over us :)
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:2

consider that the sun travels around in 24 hours... while over the tropic of capricorn how would you expect your season to be based on your location in reference to gleason map?

and while the sun travels in the smaller path, in the same 24 hours at the tropic of cancer?

also at timeanddate, you can begin to follow the rise/set times of the stars falsely called "planets"... YHWH also answered my question about "retrograde" motions, which HE has given me understanding of. it's quite simple, though unexpected. ask about it. may try to record a presentation to upload as this gets shared locally with local folks.

wanted to share some more about how you can use the gleason map for study... have made a few rough calculations for approximate diameter and circumference measures at
1) inside of the wall (antarctica) d = 19,350 miles / c = 60,789.818 miles
2) outside of gleason map, maybe near the firmament... d = 24,500 miles / c = 76,969.02 miles
3) at the equator d = 12,168.459 miles c = 38,228.3414 miles

and here's how i did them...
http://i63.tinypic.com/10nxezk.jpg

making these observations has helped my Father cause me to see exactly how precise and stable HIS creation is. and to be clear, am not really very bright... my Father in Christ has helped me so much, and in so many ways,
that i just started crying for not being thankful enough.
HE IS and there is no one HE will refuse who will ask.

first time personally visiting the ocean, west coast of florida.
we are told ships sail "over the curve" but with just a decent zoom camera, the fujifilm s8200 40x optical/80x digital this is what is true.
2216 - http://i68.tinypic.com/2e0mt8x.jpg - zoomed fully out, follow the signs left of the leaves, the boat and rack are way out there.
2215 - http://i68.tinypic.com/2ujqjic.jpg - note the tree bark left and leaves on the right, this is at 40.6mm focal length. boat and rack just visible.
2214 - http://i64.tinypic.com/1zdaufa.jpg - at 172.2mm focal length, the signs and boat and rack are clearly visible.
2213 - http://i63.tinypic.com/2iu705g.jpg - this will be 80x digital zoom, and clearly the boat has not gone over any curve. boat and rack visible, as well as those smaller signs... all the way down to the water.
it was a beautiful day :)

my Father caused me to understand that we are told (a lie) that the globe is tilted at 23.4(66,6) degrees and spinning, making it "look like" the stars and sun and moon are moving...
BUT
>>understanding... choose any latitude north or south and locations anywhere in the world at that latitude... the sun, moon, and all stars will pass through the same amount of time in the sky and same height at meridian.

get real with YHWH and turn away from evil and from blind leaders.

Qinghai, Northwest China, China, East Asia, Asia
Latitude: 36° 30' 13.9" (36.5039°) north
Longitude: 100° 35' 16.8" (100.588°) east
Elevation: 3,884 meters (12,743 feet)
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/@1797901
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/@1797901
and
Jeff, Missouri
Latitude: 36° 30' 27" N
Longitude: 91° 23' 17" W
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/@4392376
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/@4392376
and
Kingsburg, California
Latitude: 36° 30' 50" N
Longitude: 119° 33' 11" W
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/@5363429
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/@5363429
show very nearly THE SAME paths of the wandering stars and the sun and the moon.

since those who support the globe lie do NOT study nor do they understand, this will likely peak some interest from "flat earth" (also deceptive, mountains are NOT flat) folks.

according to what we are told the SOUTHERN and opposite side of the globe should match this side.

of course lie supporters will mocker and say anyone else is just stupid...

my Father IS All Wise and i love HIM.
only because of HIS kindness and extreme mercy would it be possible for me to understand.

no one has tried to answer the model a spinning earth with sun at millions of miles away with only two other motions, three wandering stars(not planets) and two constellations...
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Post: #9015
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
collected 30 day/night maps from timeanddate.com from aug 21 2018 eclipse and put them into an animation and included the time and date, as well as the altitude and compass directions of the sun and moon based on this location.

if you want to see from your location an eclipse and consider observations from your location it will take some effort, but i will help you if you wish.
just tell me if you need help finding the correct information, or maybe i can put together something for another location.
it does take some time, this was a half a day project :)
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http://www.filedropper.com/sunmap01 - 5.18mb timeanddate.com animation of 2017 solar eclipse.
Using gleason map -
You are located in north central alabama USA - 34.7˚ north latitude.
You are looking from above in the images.
Consider what you would expect to see from north central alabama,
knowing that the sun and moon are the same size and are in the
sky above. Also, in frame 11 the sun/moon are above and west of Managua, Nicaragua 12.174 degrees north latitude. -
making these observations has helped my Father cause me to see exactly how precise and stable HIS creation is.
also at timeanddate, you can begin to follow the rise/set times of the stars falsely called "planets"...
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