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Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
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How far across is this Flat Earth, from one end to the other ?
Not.Alone1 - FIXED - http://i68.tinypic.com/sy5j88.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNTI05Ok9s - this presentation was created and does not include any distractions like someone's "theory". -this uses the maps as you see in timeanddate animation but adjusted into the correct representation over the real world for a full year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-nfwIPA6n4 - the original timeanddate format.

if you cannot test it do not just believe it.
dump "science"-falsely-so-called
test the seasons and patterns/positions of the lights in the sky based on the gleason map... HERE
https://collections.leventhalmap.org/sea...:7h149v85z
the large 92mb makes a 29" diameter print very clear.

use your location as the constant reference... find out when the sun is at it's highest point in the sky over you HERE
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy find "SUN CALCULATOR" in the menus
with this information, consider the map as a 24 hour analog clock and set the time based on "high noon" (ruined here by daylight saving and is now 1pm)when the sun being directly over your location... then orient the map north/south based on your location as if you are standing on the map.
the "hour hand" is the location of the sun (in the sky) over the world at all times of the day.

the setup i use when demonstrating reality to men (male and female).
things that you can observe -
1) consider the sky as it is, the firmament stretched over us as a tent & waters above.
consider the north star as the center of the sky and which direction and how high in the sky you would look to find the star based on you being scaled into the map, then go outside and find the north star (first in the "handle" of the little dipper).
try other stars/moon/sun if too far south to see polaris.
2) consider that the sun, the moon, and the stars called "planets" all travel OVER the equator - between the tropic of cancer in the north and the tropic of capricorn in the south.
march 20/sept23 sun is over the equator and traveling north to cancer. based on the map and scaling yourself to be tiny in the map,
consider where you would be looking for these lights,
then test it outside and make sure you are humbly seeking to understand what is true... not make reality fit into something someone else said.
3) timeanddate.com helps in making observations,
just be aware that the distances are not true. no millions of miles.

-honestly begin asking HIM, you will find it much easier to learn... be sure that you turn from all sin, the things that separate us from HIM, and just start asking for understanding about specifics... and about HIMSELF.
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for studying the positions and working of the sun/moon/stars.
al's star wheel - http://www.aosny.org/Starwheel.pdf
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seasons -
consider that the sun travels around in 24 hours.
while over the tropic of capricorn how would you expect your season to be based on your location in reference to gleason map?
and
while the sun travels in the smaller path, in the same 24 hours at the tropic of cancer?
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collected 30 day/night maps from timeanddate.com from aug 21 2017 eclipse and put them into an animation and included the time and date, the altitude and compass directions of the sun and moon based on this location.

http://www.filedropper.com/sunmap01 - 5.18mb timeanddate.com animation of 2017 solar eclipse.
Using gleason map -
You are located xx.x˚ north latitude.
You are looking from above in the images.
Consider what you would expect to see from 34deg north latitude,
knowing that the sun and moon are the same size and are in the
sky above.
Also, in frame 11 the sun/moon are above and west of Managua, Nicaragua 12.174 degrees north latitude. -
making these observations has helped my Father cause me to see exactly how precise and stable HIS creation is.
at timeanddate, you can begin to follow the "rise"/"set" times of the stars falsely called "planets"... they vary slightly each day.

\/ YOUR ANSWER HERE \/

made a few rough calculations for approximate diameter and circumference measures at
1) inside of the wall (antarctica) d = 19,350 miles / c = 60,789.818 miles
2) outside of gleason map, maybe near the firmament... d = 24,500 miles / c = 76,969.02 miles
3) at the equator d = 12,168.459 miles c = 38,228.3414 miles

and here's how i did them...
http://i63.tinypic.com/10nxezk.jpg

my Father created this dwelling for us, and based on the truth i can model the true function of the lights in the sky much as in the video, though i do not create computer stuff, the models i work with are real.

how about someone show a practical, and true to observation, model that shows even a single day of the movements of the sun and moon, the wandering stars (not planets) mercury, venus, mars, and jupiter (trying to make it easier, no need to include the rest) AND the fixed stars that make up the constellations of 1) the little dipper 2) orion and 3)taurus.

if you are going to do this, you must include 3 major motions (you can leave out the rest)
1) the globe (not real) spinning at 1037.56 miles per hour at the equator.
2) the globe (a joke :) circling the sun at 66,600 miles per hour.
3) the soul lure (solar) system moving at 515,000 miles per hour.

this model needs to represent the items mentioned as they appear in the sky at every minute of the day in proper order.

anyone? the model can be made of paper, plastic or digital cgi... anything is fine.

the same challenge to anyone with a "theory" that does not follow the written testimony of YAH in the Bible.

Stop spamming this most excellent thread, fool !
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Post: #12182
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 08:28 AM)
What is on the flipside of the flat earth?

Bare dirt with sewer pipes and tree roots sticking out .
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Post: #12183
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
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What is on the flipside of the flat earth?

Bare dirt with sewer pipes and tree roots sticking out .

Wow...i always thought there would be a mirror image or something interesting.
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Post: #12184
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
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Not.Alone1 - FIXED - http://i68.tinypic.com/sy5j88.jpg
\/ YOUR ANSWER HERE \/

made a few rough calculations for approximate diameter and circumference measures at
1) inside of the wall (antarctica) d = 19,350 miles / c = 60,789.818 miles
2) outside of gleason map, maybe near the firmament... d = 24,500 miles / c = 76,969.02 miles
3) at the equator d = 12,168.459 miles c = 38,228.3414 miles

and here's how i did them...
http://i63.tinypic.com/10nxezk.jpg

my Father created this dwelling for us, and based on the truth i can model the true function of the lights in the sky much as in the video, though i do not create computer stuff, the models i work with are real.

how about someone show a practical, and true to observation, model that shows even a single day of the movements of the sun and moon, the wandering stars (not planets) mercury, venus, mars, and jupiter (trying to make it easier, no need to include the rest) AND the fixed stars that make up the constellations of 1) the little dipper 2) orion and 3)taurus.

if you are going to do this, you must include 3 major motions (you can leave out the rest)
1) the globe (not real) spinning at 1037.56 miles per hour at the equator.
2) the globe (a joke :) circling the sun at 66,600 miles per hour.
3) the soul lure (solar) system moving at 515,000 miles per hour.

this model needs to represent the items mentioned as they appear in the sky at every minute of the day in proper order.

anyone? the model can be made of paper, plastic or digital cgi... anything is fine.

the same challenge to anyone with a "theory" that does not follow the written testimony of YAH in the Bible.

Stop spamming this most excellent thread, fool !
you asked the question and make yourself a fool.

the next question "flip side" is not relevant, the firmament is founded in the earth on the only side created to dwell in,
so the question "what is beneath the earth?" is more appropriate.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
deception is being used in EVERYTHING including "church" buildings and "flat earth". mountains are NOT flat. valleys are NOT flat.
when the truth comes up, it must be ridiculed and scoffed and mocked...
and now foul and obnoxious ABUSIVE hatred, which IS evil, NOT good.
-the world is built by The All Wise YHWH Who IS infinite in understanding.
> it is built on level foundations.
> one vast ocean HE set bounds for, the antarctic "dish" is the place the ocean cannot pass. if it were not waving or rippling, perfectly level everywhere.
> the land is mostly bumpy, "flat earth" is deceptive. there are nearly perfectly level land areas 10's and 100's of square miles, still earth(the dry land) is mostly bumpy.

\/ YOUR ANSWER HERE \/

> there is a basement beneath the earth called sheol, the waitng room where the dead await the judgment of GOD through Yeshua HIS Son.

> the firmament is the ceiling into which YHWH placed the stars.
above the firmament is a VAST amount of water, which still weighs 8 pounds per gallon, the firmament declares the handy-work and Wisdom of YHWH.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 08:34 AM)
Stop spamming this most excellent thread, fool !
you asked the question and make yourself a fool.

the next question "flip side" is not relevant, the firmament is founded in the earth on the only side created to dwell in,
so the question "what is beneath the earth?" is more appropriate.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
deception is being used in EVERYTHING including "church" buildings and "flat earth". mountains are NOT flat. valleys are NOT flat.
when the truth comes up, it must be ridiculed and scoffed and mocked...
and now foul and obnoxious ABUSIVE hatred, which IS evil, NOT good.
-the world is built by The All Wise YHWH Who IS infinite in understanding.
> it is built on level foundations.
> one vast ocean HE set bounds for, the antarctic "dish" is the place the ocean cannot pass. if it were not waving or rippling, perfectly level everywhere.
> the land is mostly bumpy, "flat earth" is deceptive. there are nearly perfectly level land areas 10's and 100's of square miles, still earth(the dry land) is mostly bumpy.

\/ YOUR ANSWER HERE \/

> there is a basement beneath the earth called sheol, the waitng room where the dead await the judgment of GOD through Yeshua HIS Son.

> the firmament is the ceiling into which YHWH placed the stars.
above the firmament is a VAST amount of water, which still weighs 8 pounds per gallon, the firmament declares the handy-work and Wisdom of YHWH.

Take your damn meds or something !
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08-10-2018 10:07 AM

 



Post: #12186
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 01:06 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 12:31 AM)
Yes , proof . Glad to see you understand the principle . And calculable and measurable with todays super duper measuring sticks . It gets even worse for the silly globe model since it's supposed to be an oblate sphere . Plumb line would only ever be vertical at the equator.

A case of real math destroying the gravity/globe model.

Since you defenders of space balls were saying that math will destroy FE theory I thought I'd show you how wrong you are.

Plumb would only be verticle to what?
Because in construction grade is leveled.

Nothing has been destroyed.
Are you honest enough to admit that?
Your proposal is something you can carry out if you're Interested.
But your proposal proves nothing without the data of actually carrying it out.

Not a proposal at all - it's just math and proves the earth is no type of sphere.
Plumb line always points to the centre of gravity which corresponds to the centre of the earth - all globe theory of course . From this the horizontal plane is derived at 90 degrees to the vertical . On a perfect sphere this horizontal plane will also align with the tangent line at the earths surface .
On the oblate sphere the horizontal plane derived from the plumb line will not align with the tangent line at the earth surface unless you are on the equator or at the poles. All buildings will be built at varying angles to the vertical anywhere else.
This is a truth of the maths of sphere . Easily measurable with todays modern equipment in tall buildings and easily calculable .
The simplest way to look at this is to draw a circle and lines radiating out from the centre - these represent gravity - then draw the tangent lines . Do the same for an oblate sphere .
As I say , it's not a proposal but a truth of math. Destroys the globe model .

And genuine thanks for replying .
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08-10-2018 10:16 AM

 



Post: #12187
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
following the moon for long day and a star :) showing position in the sky, then close-up

make sure you have Thumbnail Zoom Plus for firefox, or similar for your browser... hover link and photo pops up... makes easier viewing.
https://alternativeto.net/software/thumbnail-zoom-plus/

save the text here with the photos so you can order them if you like. turns out the references may be more useful than originally planned :)

in the brightest sky, you will see the moon is faded because the lesser light to rule the night is overwhelmed by the greater light of the day.
the brighter the sky, the farther through the moon you see into the waters which are above the firmament(sky).
these conditions make it difficult to see the texture of the moon.

also... please notice that the lights in the daytime are clearly IN the blue sky, not outside of it shining in. at night time go outside and look for a group of bright stars close together, they should appear to be in the same distance, IN the sky not outside of it.

2176 - http://i68.tinypic.com/rksprq.jpg
2178 - http://i64.tinypic.com/4qh0mr.jpg

2179 - http://i68.tinypic.com/4t515j.jpg
2180 - http://i65.tinypic.com/24xn9u8.jpg
2181 - http://i65.tinypic.com/k1fjg8.jpg

2183 - http://i63.tinypic.com/105p9gm.jpg
2185 - http://i67.tinypic.com/10dffcw.jpg

2186 - http://i65.tinypic.com/10x6mc7.jpg
2187 - http://i65.tinypic.com/2z6faiu.jpg

2189 - http://i66.tinypic.com/1gswtz.jpg
2190 - http://i67.tinypic.com/np52qg.jpg

2192 - http://i64.tinypic.com/2hqz1jl.jpg
2194 - http://i66.tinypic.com/23k431v.jpg

2195 - http://i66.tinypic.com/27zf8tw.jpg
2196 - http://i64.tinypic.com/2yxoqcp.jpg

2199 - http://i63.tinypic.com/210wwsz.jpg
2200 - http://i67.tinypic.com/2l9tt07.jpg

2208 - http://i63.tinypic.com/2ypc4n7.jpg
2210 - http://i63.tinypic.com/j6o576.jpg - the star, don't recall which one.

2211 - http://i63.tinypic.com/2vv76vb.jpg - moon
2213 - http://i65.tinypic.com/1625rud.jpg

2214 - http://i64.tinypic.com/v3n8cw.jpg
2215 - http://i67.tinypic.com/6ok0n9.jpg

2217 - http://i63.tinypic.com/2hxajxz.jpg
2218 - http://i64.tinypic.com/adyl21.jpg

2220 - http://i67.tinypic.com/11gnjw9.jpg
2221 - http://i65.tinypic.com/24b95pu.jpg

2223 - http://i65.tinypic.com/20r5ro0.jpg
2224 - http://i67.tinypic.com/21otzzn.jpg

2226 - http://i68.tinypic.com/2mybu6u.jpg
2227 - http://i65.tinypic.com/ayavd0.jpg

2229 - http://i63.tinypic.com/2i134lk.jpg
2231 - http://i63.tinypic.com/4pwm0g.jpg
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Post: #12188
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
documented cold moonlight test
3420mov - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3420 - 81.3mb - 70.5 degrees F... good thing it's on camera... lol
3421mov - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3421 - 78mb - not enough light, this is only included to be complete, skip if you wish... no info here :)
3422mov - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3422 - 64.9mb - describe the setup, with light :)
3426 - http://i67.tinypic.com/2i0ra5j.jpg
3.30.timeanddate.moon - http://i66.tinypic.com/ta2eeu.jpg
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---- had to convert these to a smaller file size to get them to upload. quality degraded but good enough.
3427wmv - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3427
3427mov - error - 141mb - first readings.
look carefully at thermometers, i misread, since i cannot see as well while filming.
41.5 & 41.1 in moonlight / 42.5 & 42.9 in shade
3428wmv - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3428
3428mov - error - 210mb - next reading at highest/closet at 12:48am
41.3 (standing in front of this one on the right while checking the left one caused the temperature to rise to 42! did not
realize that until watching this prior to post!!!) & 41.0 in moonlight / 42.9 & 42.7 in shade
3429wmv - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3429
3429mov - error - 145mb - digital readings - 35.8 and 32.6 F - in moonlight / 41.8 and 42.2 F - in shade behind the chair
----
3430mov - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3430 - 77.9mb - flipped thermometers and increased vertical angle. oops! :) hit the stop button...
still got visual on the first thermometer in back, only for the last second of video,but is clear 41.5.
3431mov - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3431 - 37mb - last check... 41.2 - hit stop again...
3432mov - http://www.filedropper.com/dscf3432 - 110mb - last check finish. & 40.9 in moonlight - 42 & 42.7 in the shade.
the digital thermometer registered 5 to 8 degrees colder last full moon.
did not get a good reading on 4 thermometers due to wind and cold.
digital thermometer($16 at harbour freight tools) reads differently based on color of material tested,
thus i used black to be consistent.
the 2 thermometers in moonlight have small area hit by light. may in the future add a way to increase the light's effect.
digital thermometer readings this night -
35.8 and 32.6 F - in moonlight
41.8 and 42.2 F - in shade behind the chair !-! this is about the same as the 4 thermometers, so seems pretty accurate.
with the glass thermometers i have only gotten a maximum of three degrees having tested 4 or 5 times,
therefore it seems practical to try and focus the moonlight on the glass tube.
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also anyone can simply start paying attention to evening temperatures, if it seems quite a lot cooler than the daytime check the moon and see if it is half or more lit.

also during summer the sun is closer to a location and the full moon is farthest away as they circle above the world in the sky.

this is reversed in the winter season.
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Post: #12189
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
What an awesome song!


Proverbs 18:13: "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." 37 Must-See Proofs of the Flat Earth: https://youtu.be/OoxhDtnRmBk
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Post: #12190
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
understanding... choose any latitude north or south and locations anywhere in the world at that latitude... the sun, moon, and all stars will pass through the same amount of time in the sky and same height at meridian.

get real with YHWH and turn away from evil and from blind leaders.

Qinghai, Northwest China, China, East Asia, Asia
Latitude: 36° 30' 13.9" (36.5039°) north
Longitude: 100° 35' 16.8" (100.588°) east
Elevation: 3,884 meters (12,743 feet)
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/@1797901
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/@1797901
and
Jeff, Missouri
Latitude: 36° 30' 27" N
Longitude: 91° 23' 17" W
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/@4392376
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/@4392376
and
Kingsburg, California
Latitude: 36° 30' 50" N
Longitude: 119° 33' 11" W
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/@5363429
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/@5363429
show very nearly THE SAME paths of the wandering stars and the sun and the moon.

since those who support the globe lie do NOT study nor do they understand, this will likely peak some interest from "flat earth" (also deceptive, mountains are NOT flat) folks. well, no not so much. "flat earth"ers... bah.

according to what we are told there is no way to model "the globe" to match this steady and true observation from any latitude N or S.

of course lie supporters will mock and say anyone else is just stupid...

my Father IS All Wise and i love HIM.
only because of HIS kindness and extreme mercy would it be possible for me to understand.
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Post: #12191
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
find your own examples... in fact lets try something to add...
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/melbourne
Melbourne, Australia Latitude: 37°48′50″ S Longitude: 144°57′47″ E
venus meridian at 0 degrees north compass 27 degrees altitude, sounds like looking at venus above the tropic of cancer same as the gleason map would indicate, here however venus is 180 degrees south and 80 degrees altitude at meridian.

and here is https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/@3429652
Quilmes, Buenos Aires, Argentina at 34°43′00″S 58°16′00″W\
venus tops out at 30 degrees altitude...
no one seems to be doing any of this type of studying...
perhaps because it is NOT me that plans my way....
in this my Father guides my direction and study and understanding.
said it before... am not that bright myself.
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۝ - earth | ∩ - firmament | ☼ - sun | ○ - moon | ◦s◦t◦a◦r◦s◦

there are NO planets, NONE.
truth is NOT falsifiable.
lies are false.

the world and the men of the world, those who are spiteful and proud and evil-speaking and bearing false witness and such like evil,
are nearing a time of reckoning.

understanding that every hour is -the final hour- for many men in the world, { http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rat...istics.php }
soon this single ruler will be set to begin world leadership,
if a man to begin with then will be changed into something more... more violent and more hate-ful and more evil, bearing abilities to perform miraculous things.
this anti-Christ will , in this same time, begin to force digital finance... no more cash nor cards, but instead a central network of information linked to those men who choose to be part of it.
there is a problem...
this will be, if not at the start of it then quickly after, required to buy & sell.
it will include forced worship of the evil ruler.
men who are not to be saved will willingly do this.
some may succumb to force and threat of death.

those who love Yeshua and HIS coming, who hold the testimony of HIM, through Him will overcome and are the chosen of YHWH.

every man which takes this -mark of the beast-
and worships the false ruler -of the world-
will no longer be man-kind.
no longer in the image of YHWH
their evil deeds will grow worse and worse.
they shall suffer more torment in the world, by the time of the day of judgment, than it is possible to understand.
from sores and torment in the body, to creatures attacking and stinging and tearing, to hundred pound stones of ice cast upon them and more.
no longer man-kind, they will not receive any help nor comfort.
their torment will not end in the world.
when judgment is complete their torment will not end when time is no more.

like all prophecy in the testimony of YHWH in the Bible(kjv,rvr) these things are to come.

it will be un-wise to ignore.
if you had not known these things,
there is time to search out the matter.
the first and most important is
to call out to YHWH and to seek peace with HIM.
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Post: #12192
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
Rothbard  Wrote: (08-10-2018 03:58 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 03:41 AM)
A question you never ask is what did they find?
What data did they coolect?
Did they level their scope and actually measure anything?
As usual flat earthers ignore refraction because it needs to be accounted for.
https://flatearth.ws/curvature-calculator

How about you globe Muppets actually watch the video before posting your ignorance?

Very interesting videos , Rothbard - thanks for posting them .
Am a bit wary at the use of metabunks curvature calculator and his allusions to the pseudoscientific "standard refraction" used on these
videos . Hope I'm wrong here but for a scientist to use such crap worries me .
Another thing - I think if you want to contact him he titles himself Drjohnd if I remember correctly .
Dr John Dee was the famous occultist associated with parasite queenie Elizabeth the first. Hope this is all just me being paranoid but you never know .
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
definitely dedicated
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Post: #12194
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
there is no middle ground in this.
do not be deceived to believe this world is our future.
we want to do well while in it, but our future is to stand before Yeshua The Son of YAH, and to either dwell with HIM in The Righteousness of The Father...
or to be cast forever from HIS kingdom.

for me, Father help me, more will i prefer starvation or a sword/gunshot than to turn against my Father and HIS Beloved Son.

knowing YHWH created and understanding from the beginning of creation is our foundation, firm like the earth beneath you.

debating "globe" "flat" is all pretty useless...
if we do not find ourselves a foundation in truth.
all honour and might and glory and praise are to my Father
and every knee shall bow to Yeshua The Son of The Living GOD
and every tongue shall confess that HE IS LORD of all.

those rulers of the world at the day of HIS coming will hide themselves in the rocks and desire the mountains to fall on them rather than suffer HIS wrath.

these things ARE TRUE.
they are warnings for our good.
all these prophecies written from long ago are continually coming to pass.

PLEASE stop scoffing and deceiving just long enough to look to The LORD and Master of all, and simply ask for some help with turning from evil to seek for HIM.
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08-10-2018 01:36 PM

 



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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread
if gravity(not real) were a force, it would be like having a rubber band pulling down on you all the time.
and we are told gravity is based on the mass of the globe(not real either), which does not change...
how is it that ALL of these ridiculous speed motions (see mental gymnastics) do not cause any difference in our weight or movement?!
well, the answer is simple because it is the truth... this world is fixed and will move only when YHWH, our Creator, moves it.
http://i66.tinypic.com/2dm8lep.jpg

use your eyes and see the stars at night, they are IN the sky, not outside shining through.
the fixed stars can be seen moving across the sky while we feel no motion whatsoever.
highly recommend al's star wheel
http://i65.tinypic.com/2czf40w.jpg
locate the north star and hold the star wheel in position placing polaris on the wheel where polaris actually is in the sky, then you can turn the wheel counter clockwise to see exactly how the stars turn.
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mental gymnastics... here is the not true nonsense we are TOLD, not taught.
NOT TRUE-earth is a globe(pear?) wobbling on an imaginary axis thats tilted 23.4˚ (66.6˚ from the horizontal.)
NOT TRUE-earth spins on its imaginary axis, while wobbling, 1037.56 miles per hour at the equator.
NOT TRUE-earth zooms around the sun at 66,600 miles per hour.
NOT TRUE-the solar(soul lure) system(sun and all) whizzes around something somewhere at 515,000 miles per hour.
NOT TRUE-the entire galaxy blasts around something somewhere at 1,367,016.62 (1.37 MILLION) miles per hour.... (one place offering this info made sure to mention how hard it is to arrive at these speed measurements, but never suggested a way to do it)

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Isa 30:8-15 YLT No, go in, write it on a tablet with them, And on a book engrave it, And it is for a latter day, for a witness unto the age,
(9) That a rebellious people is this, sons--liars, Sons not willing to hear the law of YHWH.
(10) Who have said to seers, `Ye do not see,' And to prophets, `Ye do not prophesy to us Straightforward things,
Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits,
(11) Turn aside from the way, decline from the path,
Cause to cease from before us the Holy One of Israel.'
(12) Therefore, thus said the Holy One of Israel, Because of your kicking against this word, And ye trust in oppression, And perverseness, and rely on it,
(13) Therefore is this iniquity to you as a breach falling, Swelled out in a wall set on high, Whose destruction suddenly, at an instant cometh.
(14) And HE hath broken
As the breaking of the potters' bottle, Beaten down-
-HE doth not spare, Nor is there found, in the beating down, A potsherd to take fire from the burning, And to draw out waters from a ditch.
(15) For thus said the LORD YHWH, The Holy One of Israel:
`In returning and rest ye are saved, In keeping quiet and in confidence is your might, And ye have not been willing.

my Father knows.
you are every one of you written in HIS testimony in the Bible.
prophecy of your future is written and it will be.
what you "believe" is of no consequence.
if you deceive others and refuse truth and refuse to turn from evil you make your own end this...
my Father will be glorified in the destruction of evil doers.
those who will consider and go with caution to seek for understanding will find mercy and truth.
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