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The Cost of Renewable Energy Is Plunging, and It'll Change Everything
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (07-17-2018 04:42 PM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 04:38 PM)
And by not admitting it he's de facto advocating making the population SICK which may render them UNABLE to solve these and other problems.

Which we can solve if we are healthy.


Let just pretend Trump didn't just spend the last 2 years gutting all the regulations to protect polluters from the EPA

you can always flog your EMR crackpot theories to cover up for when people faces start melting off from acidic rain..
chuckle

Pruitt is an asshole, never said otherwise.

Nothing crackpot about physics.

http://andrewamarino.com/PDFs/testimony-AAM_Report.pdf

Testimony of an expert witness in a smart meter case.^^^

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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 04:44 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2018 04:16 PM)
That's just the way the world is going. Dinosaurs will still dream of new coal and nuclear plants, but they're not going to get built. Renewables are the cheapest source of new power generation, the market will continue to favour them over expensive fossil fuel and new nuclear reactors.

Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste
Fast-neutron reactors could extract much more energy from recycled nuclear fuel, minimize the risks of weapons proliferation and markedly reduce the time nuclear waste must be isolated

Editor's Note: This story was originally printed in the December 2005 issue of Scientific American magazine.

Despite long-standing public concern about the safety of nuclear energy, more and more people are realizing that it may be the most environmentally friendly way to generate large amounts of electricity. Several nations, including Brazil, China, Egypt, Finland, India, Japan, Pakistan, Russia, South Korea and Vietnam, are building or planning nuclear plants. But this global trend has not as yet extended to the U.S., where work on the last such facility began some 30 years ago.

If developed sensibly, nuclear power could be truly sustainable and essentially inexhaustible and could operate without contributing to climate change. In particular, a relatively new form of nuclear technology could overcome the principal drawbacks of current methods—namely, worries about reactor accidents, the potential for diversion of nuclear fuel into highly destructive weapons, the management of dangerous, long-lived radioactive waste, and the depletion of global reserves of economically available uranium. This nuclear fuel cycle would combine two innovations: pyrometallurgical processing (a high-temperature method of recycling reactor waste into fuel) and advanced fast-neutron reactors capable of burning that fuel. With this approach, the radioactivity from the generated waste could drop to safe levels in a few hundred years, thereby eliminating the need to segregate waste for tens of thousands of years....

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...ear-waste/

I was opposed to nuclear power until a few years ago when I learned that spent fuel is only about 3% depleted when it's removed from reactors.

Turns out the best way to deal with the waste, which we must deal with regardless of whether you would have created it...it's here now....

best way to deal with it is breeder reactors...USE IT UP.

We have enough nuclear WASTE in the USA to power the country at current usage for about 700 years.

I'm still interested in solar and wind, but they have problems too, and we need to fix them.

I don't buy into the argument what's CHEAPEST is BEST.

When you invest R&D money and economy of scale everything gets cheaper.

Nuclear reactors, of whatever design, are expensive to build. The UK wanted to build a new fleet of generation III+ PWR reactors to replace the ageing AGR reactors. One pair of EPR gen 3 PWRs is under construction at huge cost ( currently over £103/MWh ) and now it looks like there will only be one other plant or maybe none as the price of offshore wind has plummeted, touching £57/MWh in the last auction in 2017.

Offshore wind hit the same capacity factor ( 65% ) as the UK nuclear fleet last winter and with nuclear being inflexible and not dispatchable as well as giving a mult-hundred thousand year waste problem it offers no advantage and many disadvantages compared to offshore wind.

GE Hitachi is offering the UK government the PRISM breeder reactor to burn the UK's spent fuel stockpile but that would involve the cost of first of type build so I doubt they will go for it.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2018 05:31 PM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 04:44 PM)
Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste
Fast-neutron reactors could extract much more energy from recycled nuclear fuel, minimize the risks of weapons proliferation and markedly reduce the time nuclear waste must be isolated

Editor's Note: This story was originally printed in the December 2005 issue of Scientific American magazine.

Despite long-standing public concern about the safety of nuclear energy, more and more people are realizing that it may be the most environmentally friendly way to generate large amounts of electricity. Several nations, including Brazil, China, Egypt, Finland, India, Japan, Pakistan, Russia, South Korea and Vietnam, are building or planning nuclear plants. But this global trend has not as yet extended to the U.S., where work on the last such facility began some 30 years ago.

If developed sensibly, nuclear power could be truly sustainable and essentially inexhaustible and could operate without contributing to climate change. In particular, a relatively new form of nuclear technology could overcome the principal drawbacks of current methods—namely, worries about reactor accidents, the potential for diversion of nuclear fuel into highly destructive weapons, the management of dangerous, long-lived radioactive waste, and the depletion of global reserves of economically available uranium. This nuclear fuel cycle would combine two innovations: pyrometallurgical processing (a high-temperature method of recycling reactor waste into fuel) and advanced fast-neutron reactors capable of burning that fuel. With this approach, the radioactivity from the generated waste could drop to safe levels in a few hundred years, thereby eliminating the need to segregate waste for tens of thousands of years....

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...ear-waste/

I was opposed to nuclear power until a few years ago when I learned that spent fuel is only about 3% depleted when it's removed from reactors.

Turns out the best way to deal with the waste, which we must deal with regardless of whether you would have created it...it's here now....

best way to deal with it is breeder reactors...USE IT UP.

We have enough nuclear WASTE in the USA to power the country at current usage for about 700 years.

I'm still interested in solar and wind, but they have problems too, and we need to fix them.

I don't buy into the argument what's CHEAPEST is BEST.

When you invest R&D money and economy of scale everything gets cheaper.

Nuclear reactors, of whatever design, are expensive to build. The UK wanted to build a new fleet of generation III+ PWR reactors to replace the ageing AGR reactors. One pair of EPR gen 3 PWRs is under construction at huge cost ( currently over £103/MWh ) and now it looks like there will only be one other plant or maybe none as the price of offshore wind has plummeted, touching £57/MWh in the last auction in 2017.

Offshore wind hit the same capacity factor ( 65% ) as the UK nuclear fleet last winter and with nuclear being inflexible and not dispatchable as well as giving a mult-hundred thousand year waste problem it offers no advantage and many disadvantages compared to offshore wind.

GE Hitachi is offering the UK government the PRISM breeder reactor to burn the UK's spent fuel stockpile but that would involve the cost of first of type build so I doubt they will go for it.

My main point was if you want to get rid of the waste the best way is to use it up.

France does it.

Unfortunately they helped Japan store theirs ON TOP of the reactor??????

WTF?

lol

Hydro power is expensive too; costs a lot to build a dam, but it's easier to repair and maintain than a bunch of little turbines out in the ocean.

Wave power has potential too.

Regarding the terrestrial wind power they should mount them on telescoping bases that can be lowered into the ground for easy access to the working gear.

It'd increase the cost of construction, but save us from a bailout when they break.

The problem with the way it's done in Oklahoma:

Fly by night companies used state incentives to built it out. They will flee when it comes time to repair it.

And will go bankrupt after we sue them for the health problems, because they never gave a sh*t about that.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Reinstate Greenbacks.
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RE: The Cost of Renewable Energy Is Plunging, and It'll Change Everything
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 05:38 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2018 05:31 PM)
Nuclear reactors, of whatever design, are expensive to build. The UK wanted to build a new fleet of generation III+ PWR reactors to replace the ageing AGR reactors. One pair of EPR gen 3 PWRs is under construction at huge cost ( currently over £103/MWh ) and now it looks like there will only be one other plant or maybe none as the price of offshore wind has plummeted, touching £57/MWh in the last auction in 2017.

Offshore wind hit the same capacity factor ( 65% ) as the UK nuclear fleet last winter and with nuclear being inflexible and not dispatchable as well as giving a mult-hundred thousand year waste problem it offers no advantage and many disadvantages compared to offshore wind.

GE Hitachi is offering the UK government the PRISM breeder reactor to burn the UK's spent fuel stockpile but that would involve the cost of first of type build so I doubt they will go for it.

My main point was if you want to get rid of the waste the best way is to use it up.

France does it.

No I think France had a terrible time with its Superphénix reactor, which is now shut down for good. The UK also had a breeder reactor at Dounreay that manged to contaminate the beach with plutonium. It's now off limit to humans forever and they have robots sifting the sand on the beach and underwater looking for hot particles. The THORP reprocessing plant didn't fare much better, it was hugely expensive and sprung a leak.

Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 05:38 PM)
Unfortunately they helped Japan store theirs ON TOP of the reactor??????

WTF?

lol

Hydro power is expensive too; costs a lot to build a dam, but it's easier to repair and maintain than a bunch of little turbines out in the ocean.

Wave power has potential too.

Regarding the terrestrial wind power they should mount them on telescoping bases that can be lowered into the ground for easy access to the working gear.

It'd increase the cost of construction, but save us from a bailout when they break.

The problem with the way it's done in Oklahoma:

Fly by night companies used state incentives to built it out. They will flee when it comes time to repair it.

And will go bankrupt after we sue them for the health problems, because they never gave a sh*t about that.

Offshore wind is the future for any country with good windy sea like northern Europe and NE America. Trump loves it.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...f-offshore
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No I think France had a terrible time with its Superphénix reactor, which is now shut down for good. The UK also had a breeder reactor at Dounreay that manged to contaminate the beach with plutonium. It's now off limit to humans forever and they have robots sifting the sand on the beach and underwater looking for hot particles. The THORP reprocessing plant didn't fare much better, it was hugely expensive and sprung a leak.

Offshore wind is the future for any country with good windy sea like northern Europe and NE America. Trump loves it.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...f-offshore

I'll defer to your expertise on the breeder reactors.

I haven't studied it in depth.

Regarding the wind however, seems to me will require a lot more difficult maintenance work than hydro.

But also more abundant regarding siting.(A lot more places suitable to wind than hydro)

In the Pacific Northwest hydro has severely damaged fisheries(salmon etc) perhaps irreversibly. Because they dammed every river they could.

Not a problem here in the midwest, we don't have that type of problem with fish, our reservoirs are a net benefit to wildlife, but we need to couple wind with hydro to make it non-toxic and nobody has brought that up, so I'm bringing it up.

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Look_No_Hands_  Wrote: (01-03-2018 08:29 AM)
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Agreed...... I never understood how the right could be blind about alternative energy. Even to the point of bashing Tesla, the only American car made in the USA.

Everyone has their quirks..

It's not a quirk. Republicans are typically uneducated, ignorant, and lack critical thought, which makes them easy to manipulate.

I have a PhD and 2 masters degrees, and am a republican. Furthermore I support sensible alternative energy, where available. Solar tech. makes a lot of sense in places where we have decent levels of sunlight.

However I am not an uncritical fool who thinks it's all blue skies and green lights. In particular battery technology is not at all environmentally safe. Wind energy is unreliable, very bad for wildlife, and requires costly and environmentally dangerous battery technology to work.

Germany's renewable efforts are widely considered to be a failure.
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-...an-sizzle/

They suffer brownouts and blackouts and are unreliable.

There is one way renewable energy sources could be used to actually distribute power, and that is if they used the intermittent power to generate fuel, hydrogen and hydro-carbons. However hydrogen storage tech. has been shut down for decades for ostensible national security reasons.

If you can store hydrogen safely and efficiently (you can, but it's not allowed), you can use it to run fuel cells, which are much more efficient and probably cleaner than battery tech.

I actually love what Elon Musk is doing, but electric cars do not in any way help the environment. The power that fills their environmentally unfriendly batteries is largely created in coal fired plants, spewing carbon into the air. Lib.s don't understand this, because they are simply robots repeating the propaganda from deep state controlled media outlets.

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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 05:56 PM)
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No I think France had a terrible time with its Superphénix reactor, which is now shut down for good. The UK also had a breeder reactor at Dounreay that manged to contaminate the beach with plutonium. It's now off limit to humans forever and they have robots sifting the sand on the beach and underwater looking for hot particles. The THORP reprocessing plant didn't fare much better, it was hugely expensive and sprung a leak.

Offshore wind is the future for any country with good windy sea like northern Europe and NE America. Trump loves it.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...f-offshore

I'll defer to your expertise on the breeder reactors.

I haven't studied it in depth.

Regarding the wind however, seems to me will require a lot more difficult maintenance work than hydro.

But also more abundant regarding siting.(A lot more places suitable to wind than hydro)

In the Pacific Northwest hydro has severely damaged fisheries(salmon etc) perhaps irreversibly. Because they dammed every river they could.

Not a problem here in the midwest, we don't have that type of problem with fish, our reservoirs are a net benefit to wildlife, but we need to couple wind with hydro to make it non-toxic and nobody has brought that up, so I'm bringing it up.

Yes essentially each country will choose the mix of renewables backed up with dispatchable gas power stations or eventually energy storage that makes most sense for its geography. Norway is overflowing with hydro, some of which could easily be converted to pumped storage. Iceland has hydro and geothermal. Saudi Arabia has recently signed the cheapest PV contract ever < $20 /MWh. The UK has been called the Saudi Arabia of offshore wind with 40% of Europe's wind resources. Many countries will have a mix of appropriate technologies, usually with gas ( or hydro if they are lucky ) taking up the slack as dispatchable power.
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Yes essentially each country will choose the mix of renewables backed up with dispatchable gas power stations or eventually energy storage that makes most sense for its geography. Norway is overflowing with hydro, some of which could easily be converted to pumped storage. Iceland has hydro and geothermal. Saudi Arabia has recently signed the cheapest PV contract ever < $20 /MWh. The UK has been called the Saudi Arabia of offshore wind with 40% of Europe's wind resources. Many countries will have a mix of appropriate technologies, usually with gas ( or hydro if they are lucky ) taking up the slack as dispatchable power.

Norway Could Provide 20,000MW of Energy Storage to Europe
Modifying existing infrastructure could add 20 GW of pumped hydro storage in just seven years.

Quote:A nationwide 20-gigawatt pumped hydro energy storage project sounds expensive, requiring a massive amount of new infrastructure. But that's not necessarily so, says Vereide and his colleagues, because the 20 gigawatts of storage could be created by simply modifying existing plants whose reservoirs currently fill up and drain slowly over time, depending on ice melt, rainfall and other seasonal factors. These upgrades would allow them to be filled and drained much more rapidly, in order to meet the needs of commercially viable energy storage.

Vereide claims that it would cost around €6 billion ($6.6 billion) to refit the 20 existing plants needed and to supply the necessary grid connections. Basically, he calculates €300 million ($328 million) to ensure 1,000 megawatts for each of 20 existing hydropower plants, plus the same amount of money again for adequate connection to the Norwegian grid. What this amount doesn’t include is the price tag for additional interconnectors to strengthen links between Norway and the rest of Europe, however -- which would be essential for the scheme to fly.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...gs.BUYqzsQ

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Wind turbines are a VERY inefficient design.

The torque ratio versus output is even too much for a generator inside the nacelle itself (reduction gearing is used by computer control)..

Runaway's have happened too (so much torque available, that the braking system if locked would fail under high winds causing from fires to catastrophic failure)

The design of a "good" wind turbine would require a series of dynamo's to insure a constant "clean" flow of energy regardless of wind conditions, in fact the generator needs to become "generators", and the it needs to be removed form the nacelle to a "radial" design in order to take advantage of all that torque in the blades..

Currently our electrical grid has been "dirty" from the time it was accepted, in fact Nikola Tesla himself originally designed his frequency to be 120 hertz, but was overruled to become 60 hertz..

120 hetz would solve the issue with dirty electricity, and inversion back to DC at termination would produce pure electrical reliance..

What am I saying?.

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Wind turbines are a VERY inefficient design.

The torque ratio versus output is even too much for a generator inside the nacelle itself (reduction gearing is used by computer control)..

Runaway's have happened too (so much torque available, that the braking system if locked would fail under high winds causing from fires to catastrophic failure)

The design of a "good" wind turbine would require a series of dynamo's to insure a constant "clean" flow of energy regardless of wind conditions, in fact the generator needs to become "generators", and the it needs to be removed form the nacelle to a "radial" design in order to take advantage of all that torque in the blades..

Currently our electrical grid has been "dirty" from the time it was accepted, in fact Nikola Tesla himself originally designed his frequency to be 120 hertz, but was overruled to become 60 hertz..

120 hetz would solve the issue with dirty electricity, and inversion back to DC at termination would produce pure electrical reliance..

What am I saying?.

Common sense here is like a Cross is to a vampire... chuckle

How would 120 Hz solve anything?

Humans aren't designed to have 56,60, or 120 Hz entrain their internal waves.

Even without transients, AC is toxic. Not nearly AS toxic as with transients but still puts the body under stress.

And DC can be toxic too depending on what loads are added.

It'd be interesting to compare European and American fMRI(functional MRI) results.

See if there are any physiological differences from living in 60 vs 50Hz electrosmog.

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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 08:24 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2018 06:15 PM)
Yes essentially each country will choose the mix of renewables backed up with dispatchable gas power stations or eventually energy storage that makes most sense for its geography. Norway is overflowing with hydro, some of which could easily be converted to pumped storage. Iceland has hydro and geothermal. Saudi Arabia has recently signed the cheapest PV contract ever < $20 /MWh. The UK has been called the Saudi Arabia of offshore wind with 40% of Europe's wind resources. Many countries will have a mix of appropriate technologies, usually with gas ( or hydro if they are lucky ) taking up the slack as dispatchable power.

Norway Could Provide 20,000MW of Energy Storage to Europe
Modifying existing infrastructure could add 20 GW of pumped hydro storage in just seven years.

Quote:A nationwide 20-gigawatt pumped hydro energy storage project sounds expensive, requiring a massive amount of new infrastructure. But that's not necessarily so, says Vereide and his colleagues, because the 20 gigawatts of storage could be created by simply modifying existing plants whose reservoirs currently fill up and drain slowly over time, depending on ice melt, rainfall and other seasonal factors. These upgrades would allow them to be filled and drained much more rapidly, in order to meet the needs of commercially viable energy storage.

Vereide claims that it would cost around €6 billion ($6.6 billion) to refit the 20 existing plants needed and to supply the necessary grid connections. Basically, he calculates €300 million ($328 million) to ensure 1,000 megawatts for each of 20 existing hydropower plants, plus the same amount of money again for adequate connection to the Norwegian grid. What this amount doesn’t include is the price tag for additional interconnectors to strengthen links between Norway and the rest of Europe, however -- which would be essential for the scheme to fly.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...gs.BUYqzsQ

The UK has 3GW of sub-sea interconnectors under construction to Norway

http://northsealink.com/

http://northconnect.no/

With maybe more to come in the future but Germany has got its eye on potential Norwegian pumped storage and the Norwegians are nervous that it will drive up their electricity prices.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...gs.DKCn7uc
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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-17-2018 08:24 PM)
Norway Could Provide 20,000MW of Energy Storage to Europe
Modifying existing infrastructure could add 20 GW of pumped hydro storage in just seven years.


https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...gs.BUYqzsQ

The UK has 3GW of sub-sea interconnectors under construction to Norway

http://northsealink.com/

http://northconnect.no/

With maybe more to come in the future but Germany has got its eye on potential Norwegian pumped storage and the Norwegians are nervous that it will drive up their electricity prices.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...gs.DKCn7uc

Yeah I saw some detractors, but has potential.

What I'm really concerned about are these:

Windcatcher
http://www.windcatcherenergy.com/
Blue Canyon
http://bluecanyonwindfarm.com/

When Blue Canyon first went online my dad suffered a debilitating condition for about a year. He thought it was hypothyroid, but doctors couldn't figure it out.

He stayed in bed for a year, almost died.

Which was the worst thing he could do. He needed to leave that house.

That one is close to the US army artillery school at Ft. Sill, and the soldiers and residents need safe power.

Wind catcher is going to hurt Tulsans.

Unless they clean it up first.

Wind Catcher could be diverted to Grand Lake, but there's no hydro dam near Lawton.

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