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Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
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RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
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Keep drinking the koolaid thinking the U.s has the best technology..
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Post: #17
RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:39 AM)
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It only flew once so no, it wasn't better.

Meanwhile the U.S space shuttle program has had major disasters....

Well that's what can happens if you fly 135 times rather than once, your risk is higher. What did Buran achieve in space? Absolutely nothing apart from waste a huge amount of money.

Space Shuttle pounds of payload to orbit 3,513,638
Buran 0
Space Shuttle lbs recovered satellites returned to Earth 229,132
Buran 0
Shuttle number of man hours in space 198,728
Buran 0
Shuttle number of orbits of the Earth 21,030
Buran 2

https://www.space.com/12376-nasa-space-s...stics.html
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RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
But there’s also the number of manned launches: shuttle, 130; Soyuz, 103. Who knows if Soyuz might have a critical failure in the next 27 flights? It’s only fair, however, to point out that Soyuz hasn’t had a fatality in almost 29 years. Maybe they’ve worked out the kinks.
Read more at https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet...k271JfM.99
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The Soyuz has a clean record and we use it to get to iss
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Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:41 AM)
Keep drinking the koolaid thinking the U.s has the best technology..

Yeah, everyone is buying Russian rather than American; airliners, jet engines, computers, chips, cars, software etc.

Lmao
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RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
Some of the Russian rocket’s safety rating is due simply to the existence of its launch abort system. The shuttle, by contrast, beginning with STS-5, and continuing through the Challenger disaster, the 25th flight, offered no escape for the crew once the solid rocket boosters were lit. After Challenger, a telescoping slide pole was installed in the mid-deck that requires each astronaut to unbuckle from the seat, attach a ring to the pole, and dive out the side hatch for a parachute descent. The orbiter would have to be in a controlled glide below 50,000 feet and traveling slower than 230 miles an hour.

Finally, NASA astronauts have been riding Soyuz since Norm Thagard’s flight in 1995, and relied on it exclusively for 30 months after the Columbia tragedy. Adding the 32 months that the shuttle was grounded after the Challenger tragedy, the shuttle has been out of service due to fatal safety problems for more than five years out of its 29-year life.

image: http://blogs.airspacemag.com/daily-plane...-1-450.jpg

STS-1 launches, April 1981. Credit: NASA

No matter how much careful engineering and modeling went into the design of the shuttle—and few deny that it performs beautifully despite its complexity—the decision to put men on it the first time it flew may have revealed some NASA hubris. STS-1 encountered many issues such as tiles that separated from the orbiter and different flying characteristics at high speed than those predicted by computer models. Most worrisome, an overpressure wave from the solid rocket booster ignition pushed the orbiter’s body flap below the main engines past a threshold at which engineers would have expected damage to the vehicle’s hydraulic system, and would have made reentry impossible. The crew didn’t know about this until after the flight. Upon learning of it, commander John Young, according to space historian James Oberg, said: “I’d have ridden the vehicle up to a safe altitude, and while still in the ejection envelope I’d have pulled the ring.” On its inaugural launch, Columbia would have gone to the bottom of the Atlantic.
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RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:54 AM)
Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:41 AM)
Keep drinking the koolaid thinking the U.s has the best technology..

Yeah, everyone is buying Russian rather than American; airliners, jet engines, computers, chips, cars, software etc.

Lmao
Russias in the business of making military and space hardware.
Just to let you know most of the items you listed are made in China..
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Post: #23
RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:59 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:54 AM)
Yeah, everyone is buying Russian rather than American; airliners, jet engines, computers, chips, cars, software etc.

Lmao
Russias in the business of making military and space hardware.
Juat to let you know most of the items you listed are made in China..

Oh for f*cks sake autoslav, your are funny. chuckle
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https://news.cgtn.com/news/3359444d78597...share.html

Even boeing has Chinese factories.
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Post: #25
RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:53 AM)
The Soyuz has a clean record and we use it to get to iss

The Soviets won the space race, however that is not the same as comparing the 2 shuttles, we could throw in the mustard project and argue that even before the US and Soviets built theirs that Britain had one so it wins...

But seriously the US had the better shuttle, it worked, it was used and has it's place in history, Mustard makes a nice footnote as a project, the Soviet Shuttle a bit more than a footnote... but the US shuttle was better...
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RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-17-2018 11:02 AM)
Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:59 AM)
Russias in the business of making military and space hardware.
Juat to let you know most of the items you listed are made in China..

Oh for f*cks sake autoslav, your are funny. chuckle

Racist much?Im actually Spaniard.Is that all you can come up with?Loser
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Post: #27
RE: Did The Soviets Build a Better Space Shuttle?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-17-2018 11:04 AM)
Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 10:53 AM)
The Soyuz has a clean record and we use it to get to iss

The Soviets won the space race, however that is not the same as comparing the 2 shuttles, we could throw in the mustard project and argue that even before the US and Soviets built theirs that Britain had one so it wins...

But seriously the US had the better shuttle, it worked, it was used and has it's place in history, Mustard makes a nice footnote as a project, the Soviet Shuttle a bit more than a footnote... but the US shuttle was better...


Dude point out how its better?The buran is liquid fueled vs solid.Had a larger load capacity and far more safety and redundacy features like the soyuz
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Autobot  Wrote: (05-17-2018 11:03 AM)
https://news.cgtn.com/news/3359444d78597...share.html

Even boeing has Chinese factories.

One facility and it's hardly a factory,

"a delivery center owned by Boeing, got underway in early May. It will be capable of tasks including cabin installation, painting, flight testing and aircraft maintenance"

It's there because the Chinese government insisted on workshare in order to allow continuing Boeing imports.
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Post: #29
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You missed completion...Sure you want to tango?
http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/business...758707.htm
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Boeing unveiled its first overseas COMPLETIONand delivery center in China after it signed an agreement with the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (COMAC) on Tuesday.

Fixed it for you.
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