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Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics?
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Counting Sheep  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:48 PM)
Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:46 PM)
Couldnt they have just unlocked the other one and edited out the part they didnt like so you dont lose all the discussion.

Stupid.

We (like you often thank us for) do the dirty work for free, sometimes locking and deleting things we may agree with or find amusing because they violate a rule or guideline. If you want us to be your personal editor it's going to cost you.
Disturbed himself has directed us "not to act as the personal editor for a poster" so you're going to have to fork out some serious cabbage for that bro.

He could have edited himself if you just unlocked it.
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Post: #32
RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics?
Counting Sheep  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:48 PM)
Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:46 PM)
Couldnt they have just unlocked the other one and edited out the part they didnt like so you dont lose all the discussion.

Stupid.

We (like you often thank us for) do the dirty work for free, sometimes locking and deleting things we may agree with or find amusing because they violate a rule or guideline. If you want us to be your personal editor it's going to cost you.
Disturbed himself has directed us "not to act as the personal editor for a poster" so you're going to have to fork out some serious cabbage for that bro.

When ?

Here's why:
https://timeline.com/sophie-scholl-white...3901042c98
And here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_El...of_Austria
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Post: #33
RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics?
Counting Sheep  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:48 PM)
Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:46 PM)
Couldnt they have just unlocked the other one and edited out the part they didnt like so you dont lose all the discussion.

Stupid.

We (like you often thank us for) do the dirty work for free, sometimes locking and deleting things we may agree with or find amusing because they violate a rule or guideline. If you want us to be your personal editor it's going to cost you.
Disturbed himself has directed us "not to act as the personal editor for a poster" so you're going to have to fork out some serious cabbage for that bro.

I don't even know how it was a callout. I simply wanted to continue an unrelated discussion in a locked thread I was having with He Man. There was nothing confrontational about it whatsoever. We spar all the time, but are mostly very respectful of each other.

We must belong to groups that have clearly defined beliefs. Any stray from those beliefs will get you expelled from the group. Our only goal in life is to be a part of that group, so just give up your brain and start posting mainstream media links.
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Post: #34
RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:49 PM)
Counting Sheep  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:48 PM)
We (like you often thank us for) do the dirty work for free, sometimes locking and deleting things we may agree with or find amusing because they violate a rule or guideline. If you want us to be your personal editor it's going to cost you.
Disturbed himself has directed us "not to act as the personal editor for a poster" so you're going to have to fork out some serious cabbage for that bro.

I don't even know how it was a callout. I simply wanted to continue an unrelated discussion in a locked thread I was having with He Man. There was nothing confrontational about it whatsoever. We spar all the time, but are mostly very respectful of each other.

Cheers

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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (05-23-2018 09:34 PM)
Quote:Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics, most CT is political?

This was a question from 'someone' to me in a closed thread and this is my answer.

I post at a CT forum because I realize that all politics is rigged and government is never ever going to solve problems. It will only create and expand these problems while the wars never end, the income gap between the elite and the poor gets larger while the middle class disappears, big pharma will continue their holocaust on the gullible people who think western medicine is the most advanced in the world instead of the biggest evil scheme in human history, the police state will continue to grow, the corporations and the elite will never stop getting more money and power, civil rights will continue to disappear, the planet will continue to be destroyed, debt will continue to expand to absolutely absurd levels, the banks will continue to rig the economy, jobs will continue to disappear and the future of humanity gets bleaker and bleaker no matter who is voted into office. Oh yeah, and where is the missing $21 trillion? That number is so big that people don't even understand how big it is. That this isn't the only issue that matters until someone hangs is a mystery to me.

Until everyone realizes this and stops deceiving themselves into thinking one side is less bad than the other, we will continue on this path and we'll begin moving more and more quickly towards the worst dystopian future anyone could imagine.

I post here because I'm ready to take people under my wing when they've had enough. I know the way out of this and it's to stop believing in the right of corrupt governments to exist. Once enough people turn their backs on them, they will no longer have the power of the will of the people and that's where their power comes from - the consent of the governed. They cannot kill or imprison everyone.

This is the biggest of all conspiracies - that we need government to survive. It's even more ridiculous that people believe we need the most corrupt and biggest possible government to survive. Well we certainly don't need a one world government to survive and we definitely don't need the monstrosity of the government that we have in the United States today. We don't need governments that have killed almost 300 million people in the last century.

Imagine if being ruled by others was voluntary. It can be. Until then....

[Image: georgeorwell1-2x.jpg]

I think you are exhibiting CT privilege. There are a number of Ct forum posters that think and expect others to respect their thinking that the only "real legitimate" CT is CT that supports the idea that all government is corrupt and part of some grand control by a nefarious entity/group/overlords of some kind.

I considered that basic premise back when I was in my teens (critically) reading John Birch inspired books about the masonic lodges, and the illuminati and other groups by mostly rather rabid anti communist writers, books like The Naked Communist the 1958 book by an ex FBI agent, United States author and political theorist W. Cleon Skousen.

The over all idea was one of CT that was intended to frame certain groups as part of a plot to allow communists to take over the US. The groups they mentioned often were the: builder-burgers, the illuminati, the masonic lodges, the Jews (of course), the CFR, many others and they did their best to make the reader think that these groups were acting in concert or separately to destroy the US. Much of this type of writing is what led to theArmy–McCarthy hearings in the 50's. Damrod and others would be an example of this anti communist type of posting here at LOP .

You see huge numbers of posts and posters at CT sites up to today that post and expect agreement that the real evil in the world is the communists that are being directed by Jews and masons, and the illuminati, and the CFR, and these other groups. They collectively post with CT privilege, they want a CT site to only or mostly reflect their beliefs. Frigg is another example of that kind of posting.

I was never convinced there was anything to it.

I don't believe that the Illuminati or the CFR, or the Jews, or the Masons control the world and decide winners and losers in elections the world over. I don't believe that there is a cabal of world dominating billionaire bankers (most likely Jews) bent on depopulating the world so they can rule it. I don't believe the commies are about to burst in to the US in some Jade Helm type military exercise.

I certainly do not think the democratic party and the republican party in the US is run by a single group of controlling interests that thwart the will of the voters by pulling strings that decide who is president and who sits on controlling committees in Congress and who is appointed to the SCOTUS.

People that tend to believe this kind of stuff are very adamant that they think anybody that disagrees with their premise is part of the controlling group or is a shill or a paid blocker of the "REAL and Legitimate" CT.

I am not saying Tommy that you think this way but you fall into a group of posters here that expect your views to be convincing and that what you think about politics means that the forum should be free from dissenting points of view.

Nobody owes your anti-politics (politics is bad and controlled) version of CT any particular credence,... you need to convince people here or live with the fact that there are many avenues of CT.

I think the best path forward is supporting political parties and policies that try to make the world a better place, more environmental regulations, carbon taxes and other policies to address global warming, higher wages and fair taxation to improve public education and bring more people up the economic ladder, etc. etc. I think the real CT is the groups of republican politicians and billionaires and oil companies, and corporations that see those policies as against their interests, so they fund the more corrupt and pro business conservatives and fund think tanks that put out all kinds of propaganda to make giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy a reality, that makes deregulating industry a reality.

The real goal is a more plutocratic society where the wealthy have few restrictions on their power and whims. That is what I try to expose and I get a lot of people saying I should not post about partisan politics but in my view of CT, partisan politics from the far right and that agenda supports wealth and huge corporations destroying the planet and stomping the iron heel on human faces to get what they want. That to me is the real problem the real CT. I just want space to post that and not get sh*t for being partisan all of the time, and being called a shill, etc. etc. I will not get what I want but I appreciate the chance to discuss the issues in this thread. 5*

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Post: #36
RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
FreeFlow  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:49 PM)
Counting Sheep  Wrote: (05-23-2018 10:48 PM)
We (like you often thank us for) do the dirty work for free, sometimes locking and deleting things we may agree with or find amusing because they violate a rule or guideline. If you want us to be your personal editor it's going to cost you.
Disturbed himself has directed us "not to act as the personal editor for a poster" so you're going to have to fork out some serious cabbage for that bro.

When ?

Sometime last year. I'm sure of it.
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Tommy Pastrami
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Post: #37
RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
He Man  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:29 PM)
Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (05-23-2018 09:34 PM)
This was a question from 'someone' to me in a closed thread and this is my answer.

I post at a CT forum because I realize that all politics is rigged and government is never ever going to solve problems. It will only create and expand these problems while the wars never end, the income gap between the elite and the poor gets larger while the middle class disappears, big pharma will continue their holocaust on the gullible people who think western medicine is the most advanced in the world instead of the biggest evil scheme in human history, the police state will continue to grow, the corporations and the elite will never stop getting more money and power, civil rights will continue to disappear, the planet will continue to be destroyed, debt will continue to expand to absolutely absurd levels, the banks will continue to rig the economy, jobs will continue to disappear and the future of humanity gets bleaker and bleaker no matter who is voted into office. Oh yeah, and where is the missing $21 trillion? That number is so big that people don't even understand how big it is. That this isn't the only issue that matters until someone hangs is a mystery to me.

Until everyone realizes this and stops deceiving themselves into thinking one side is less bad than the other, we will continue on this path and we'll begin moving more and more quickly towards the worst dystopian future anyone could imagine.

I post here because I'm ready to take people under my wing when they've had enough. I know the way out of this and it's to stop believing in the right of corrupt governments to exist. Once enough people turn their backs on them, they will no longer have the power of the will of the people and that's where their power comes from - the consent of the governed. They cannot kill or imprison everyone.

This is the biggest of all conspiracies - that we need government to survive. It's even more ridiculous that people believe we need the most corrupt and biggest possible government to survive. Well we certainly don't need a one world government to survive and we definitely don't need the monstrosity of the government that we have in the United States today. We don't need governments that have killed almost 300 million people in the last century.

Imagine if being ruled by others was voluntary. It can be. Until then....

[Image: georgeorwell1-2x.jpg]

I think you are exhibiting CT privilege. There are a number of Ct forum posters that think and expect others to respect their thinking that the only "real legitimate" CT is CT that supports the idea that all government is corrupt and part of some grand control by a nefarious entity/group/overlords of some kind.

I considered that basic premise back when I was in my teens (critically) reading John Birch inspired books about the masonic lodges, and the illuminati and other groups by mostly rather rabid anti communist writers, books like The Naked Communist the 1958 book by an ex FBI agent, United States author and political theorist W. Cleon Skousen.

The over all idea was one of CT that was intended to frame certain groups as part of a plot to allow communists to take over the US. The groups they mentioned often were the: builder-burgers, the illuminati, the masonic lodges, the Jews (of course), the CFR, many others and they did their best to make the reader think that these groups were acting in concert or separately to destroy the US. Much of this type of writing is what led to theArmy–McCarthy hearings in the 50's. Damrod and others would be an example of this anti communist type of posting here at LOP .

You see huge numbers of posts and posters at CT sites up to today that post and expect agreement that the real evil in the world is the communists that are being directed by Jews and masons, and the illuminati, and the CFR, and these other groups. They collectively post with CT privilege, they want a CT site to only or mostly reflect their beliefs. Frigg is another example of that kind of posting.

I was never convinced there was anything to it.

I don't believe that the Illuminati or the CFR, or the Jews, or the Masons control the world and decide winners and losers in elections the world over. I don't believe that there is a cabal of world dominating billionaire bankers (most likely Jews) bent on depopulating the world so they can rule it. I don't believe the commies are about to burst in to the US in some Jade Helm type military exercise.

I certainly do not think the democratic party and the republican party in the US is run by a single group of controlling interests that thwart the will of the voters by pulling strings that decide who is president and who sits on controlling committees in Congress and who is appointed to the SCOTUS.

People that tend to believe this kind of stuff are very adamant that they think anybody that disagrees with their premise is part of the controlling group or is a shill or a paid blocker of the "REAL and Legitimate" CT.

I am not saying Tommy that you think this way but you fall into a group of posters here that expect your views to be convincing and that what you think about politics means that the forum should be free from dissenting points of view.

Nobody owes your anti-politics (politics is bad and controlled) version of CT any particular credence,... you need to convince people here or live with the fact that there are many avenues of CT.

I think the best path forward is supporting political parties and policies that try to make the world a better place, more environmental regulations, carbon taxes and other policies to address global warming, higher wages and fair taxation to improve public education and bring more people up the economic ladder, etc. etc. I think the real CT is the groups of republican politicians and billionaires and oil companies, and corporations that see those policies as against their interests, so they fund the more corrupt and pro business conservatives and fund think tanks that put out all kinds of propaganda to make giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy a reality, that makes deregulating industry a reality.

The real goal is a more plutocratic society where the wealthy have few restrictions on their power and whims. That is what I try to expose and I get a lot of people saying I should not post about partisan politics but in my view of CT partisan politics from the far right and that supports wealth and huge corporations destroying the planet and stomping the iron heel on human being faces to get what the want is the real problem the real CT. I just want space to post that and not get sh*t for being partisan all of the time, and being called a shill, etc. etc. I will not get what I want but I appreciate the chance to discuss the issues in this thread. 5*
If you think there's a real difference between the two parties then why are so many topics never up for debate?

Especially - where is the missing $21 trillion? $21 trillion could have paid off the debt. It could have paid for college tuition and health care for everyone for decades. It's almost $70,000 per American! Where the hell is it and why does NO ONE discuss it?!!!!! The liberal media and alt-right media don't report on it. I've joked about starting the "Where is the missing $21 Trillion?" political party, but it's just a sad joke that it isn't common knowledge and isn't being talked about by ANYONE.

Ending the wars.

GMOs, vaccines.

Monetary policy, unsustainable debt. The ability for government to create money instead of borrowing it from the central bank they empowered to control monetary policy without oversight.

The loss of civil rights due to the war on terror.

The expanding monopolies in every industry.

The war on drugs. Everyone pretends that it's ending and bad but it isn't ending.

None of these things are debated by any politician. None of these things are brought up anymore.

These are all the issues I care about. This is why I refuse to participate in politics because there is no one standing up for any of these issues.

We must belong to groups that have clearly defined beliefs. Any stray from those beliefs will get you expelled from the group. Our only goal in life is to be a part of that group, so just give up your brain and start posting mainstream media links.
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Post: #38
RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
A better one:

Why do you post on a CT forum if you are mainstream-minded?

I do not label myself. What I stand for is based on my own convictions, and I don't care which box - the left one or the right one - they happen to belong to.
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He Man
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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
Roddy  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:47 PM)
A better one:

Why do you post on a CT forum if you are mainstream-minded?

Because there are so many mainstream conspiracies. The motivation for most conspiracies is power and control, that is done through politics. One can be fairly mainstream minded and still wonder about aspects of 9/11 and the growing power of the MIC allied with far right plutocratic billionaires and mercenaries like Eric Prince. The world is full of CT for mainstream minded folks and far out there folks and everybody in between. Cheers

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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
He Man  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:56 PM)
Roddy  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:47 PM)
A better one:

Why do you post on a CT forum if you are mainstream-minded?

Because there are so many mainstream conspiracies. The motivation for most conspiracies is power and control, that is done through politics. One can be fairly mainstream minded and still wonder about aspects of 9/11 and the growing power of the MIC allied with far right plutocratic billionaires and mercenaries like Eric Prince. The world is full of CT for mainstream minded folks and far out there folks and everybody in between. Cheers

Bilderberg is attended by both republicans and democrats. The Trilateral Commission consists of both republicans and democrats.

We must belong to groups that have clearly defined beliefs. Any stray from those beliefs will get you expelled from the group. Our only goal in life is to be a part of that group, so just give up your brain and start posting mainstream media links.
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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
He Man  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:56 PM)
Roddy  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:47 PM)
A better one:

Why do you post on a CT forum if you are mainstream-minded?

Because there are so many mainstream conspiracies. The motivation for most conspiracies is power and control, that is done through politics. One can be fairly mainstream minded and still wonder about aspects of 9/11 and the growing power of the MIC allied with far right plutocratic billionaires and mercenaries like Eric Prince. The world is full of CT for mainstream minded folks and far out there folks and everybody in between. Cheers

What I mean is a few who don't believe a single CT, and even mock the community.

I do not label myself. What I stand for is based on my own convictions, and I don't care which box - the left one or the right one - they happen to belong to.
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Post: #42
RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:44 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:29 PM)
I think you are exhibiting CT privilege. There are a number of Ct forum posters that think and expect others to respect their thinking that the only "real legitimate" CT is CT that supports the idea that all government is corrupt and part of some grand control by a nefarious entity/group/overlords of some kind.

I considered that basic premise back when I was in my teens (critically) reading John Birch inspired books about the masonic lodges, and the illuminati and other groups by mostly rather rabid anti communist writers, books like The Naked Communist the 1958 book by an ex FBI agent, United States author and political theorist W. Cleon Skousen.

The over all idea was one of CT that was intended to frame certain groups as part of a plot to allow communists to take over the US. The groups they mentioned often were the: builder-burgers, the illuminati, the masonic lodges, the Jews (of course), the CFR, many others and they did their best to make the reader think that these groups were acting in concert or separately to destroy the US. Much of this type of writing is what led to theArmy–McCarthy hearings in the 50's. Damrod and others would be an example of this anti communist type of posting here at LOP .

You see huge numbers of posts and posters at CT sites up to today that post and expect agreement that the real evil in the world is the communists that are being directed by Jews and masons, and the illuminati, and the CFR, and these other groups. They collectively post with CT privilege, they want a CT site to only or mostly reflect their beliefs. Frigg is another example of that kind of posting.

I was never convinced there was anything to it.

I don't believe that the Illuminati or the CFR, or the Jews, or the Masons control the world and decide winners and losers in elections the world over. I don't believe that there is a cabal of world dominating billionaire bankers (most likely Jews) bent on depopulating the world so they can rule it. I don't believe the commies are about to burst in to the US in some Jade Helm type military exercise.

I certainly do not think the democratic party and the republican party in the US is run by a single group of controlling interests that thwart the will of the voters by pulling strings that decide who is president and who sits on controlling committees in Congress and who is appointed to the SCOTUS.

People that tend to believe this kind of stuff are very adamant that they think anybody that disagrees with their premise is part of the controlling group or is a shill or a paid blocker of the "REAL and Legitimate" CT.

I am not saying Tommy that you think this way but you fall into a group of posters here that expect your views to be convincing and that what you think about politics means that the forum should be free from dissenting points of view.

Nobody owes your anti-politics (politics is bad and controlled) version of CT any particular credence,... you need to convince people here or live with the fact that there are many avenues of CT.

I think the best path forward is supporting political parties and policies that try to make the world a better place, more environmental regulations, carbon taxes and other policies to address global warming, higher wages and fair taxation to improve public education and bring more people up the economic ladder, etc. etc. I think the real CT is the groups of republican politicians and billionaires and oil companies, and corporations that see those policies as against their interests, so they fund the more corrupt and pro business conservatives and fund think tanks that put out all kinds of propaganda to make giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy a reality, that makes deregulating industry a reality.

The real goal is a more plutocratic society where the wealthy have few restrictions on their power and whims. That is what I try to expose and I get a lot of people saying I should not post about partisan politics but in my view of CT partisan politics from the far right and that supports wealth and huge corporations destroying the planet and stomping the iron heel on human being faces to get what the want is the real problem the real CT. I just want space to post that and not get sh*t for being partisan all of the time, and being called a shill, etc. etc. I will not get what I want but I appreciate the chance to discuss the issues in this thread. 5*
If you think there's a real difference between the two parties then why are so many topics never up for debate?

Especially - where is the missing $21 trillion? $21 trillion could have paid off the debt. It could have paid for college tuition and health care for everyone for decades. It's almost $70,000 per American! Where the hell is it and why does NO ONE discuss it?!!!!! The liberal media and alt-right media don't report on it. I've joked about starting the "Where is the missing $21 Trillion?" political party, but it's just a sad joke that it isn't common knowledge and isn't being talked about by ANYONE.

Ending the wars.

GMOs, vaccines.

Monetary policy, unsustainable debt. The ability for government to create money instead of borrowing it from the central bank they empowered to control monetary policy without oversight.

The loss of civil rights due to the war on terror.

The expanding monopolies in every industry.

The war on drugs. Everyone pretends that it's ending and bad but it isn't ending.

None of these things are debated by any politician. None of these things are brought up anymore.

These are all the issues I care about. This is why I refuse to participate in politics because there is no one standing up for any of these issues.

Media watchdogs and congressional committees are working on the 21 Trillion issue and every issue you bring up. I have posted about a number of those issues so have many here at LOP, with links to media articles to back up points, pro and con.

Has Our Government Spent $21 Trillion Of Our Money Without Telling Us?

"The July 2016 report is not the only such report of unsubstantiated adjustments. Mark Skidmore and Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, conducted a search of government websites and found similar reports dating back to 1998. While the documents are incomplete, original government sources indicate $21 trillion in unsupported adjustments have been reported for the Department of Defense and the Department of Housing and Urban Development for the years 1998-2015.

While government budgets can be complex, our government, like any business, can track receipts and payments and share this information in ways that can be understood by the public. The ongoing occurrence and gargantuan nature of unsupported, i.e., undocumented, U.S. federal government expenditures as well as sources of funding for these expenditures should be a great concern to all tax payers.

Taken together these reports point to a failure to comply with basic Constitutional and legislative requirements for spending and disclosure. We urge the House and Senate Budget Committee to initiate immediate investigations of unaccounted federal expenditures as well as the source of their payment."

Links to sites with info and the article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2...21d16366f0

Ending wars is discussed all of the time mostly by left leaning progressive democrats and liars like Trump that talk and do nothing when they get into power because they are corrupt and lied to their followers on avoiding needless wars. You need votes in congress to end wars and that if fought by the MIC lobbyists.

I have seen discussion on C-span of GMO and many politicians speak about vaccines pro and con. The other issues you raise are debated regularly in Congress in POTUS election debates, in political policies from every recent POTUS. You said you don't watch MSM so you don't see what is happening I expect.

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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
Roddy  Wrote: (05-24-2018 12:01 AM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:56 PM)
Because there are so many mainstream conspiracies. The motivation for most conspiracies is power and control, that is done through politics. One can be fairly mainstream minded and still wonder about aspects of 9/11 and the growing power of the MIC allied with far right plutocratic billionaires and mercenaries like Eric Prince. The world is full of CT for mainstream minded folks and far out there folks and everybody in between. Cheers

What I mean is a few who don't believe a single CT, and even mock the community.

I can't say. I do mock some CT like the space jesus stuff I mocked the people that think Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing is a hoax and flat earth and Damrod calling anybody that ever had their left knee jerk, a communist. chuckle

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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
He Man  Wrote: (05-24-2018 12:12 AM)
Roddy  Wrote: (05-24-2018 12:01 AM)
What I mean is a few who don't believe a single CT, and even mock the community.

I can't say. I do mock some CT like the space jesus stuff I mocked the people that think Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing is a hoax and flat earth and Damrod calling anybody that ever had their left knee jerk, a communist. chuckle

Yeah, there sure are laughable CTs. It's those who simply put everything in the same bag and paint us like "woo-wooers" that makes me wonder...

I do not label myself. What I stand for is based on my own convictions, and I don't care which box - the left one or the right one - they happen to belong to.
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RE: Why do you post at a CT forum if you want to avoid politics? >MRGD<
Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (05-24-2018 12:00 AM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-23-2018 11:56 PM)
Because there are so many mainstream conspiracies. The motivation for most conspiracies is power and control, that is done through politics. One can be fairly mainstream minded and still wonder about aspects of 9/11 and the growing power of the MIC allied with far right plutocratic billionaires and mercenaries like Eric Prince. The world is full of CT for mainstream minded folks and far out there folks and everybody in between. Cheers

Bilderberg is attended by both republicans and democrats. The Trilateral Commission consists of both republicans and democrats.

I am sure if you looked up those two organizations mission statement it would be all about building bridges and communication from divergent spectrums of society and political parties. Just because groups get together to work together does not mean they are controlled or controlling, they could just be groups of wealthy people banding together to make connections and gain more wealth and power, like the small business association or other groups. I don't know much about those groups but I bet most of the propaganda about them is BS, just like the propaganda about Soros is BS.

People like Glen Beck made billions trashing Soros, and the far right ate it up because so many of them are vesting in believing that the world is controlled by Jews and the Rothschilds, which frankly I think is not supported by evidence. Putin has more personal wealth from kleptocracy in Russia and Ukraine than the Rothchilds currently do, I would guess. The anti Jewish propaganda is so thick and is supporting half of the CT world.

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