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Let’s have a worthy debate about sea level rise
He Man
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Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:20 PM)
[ ]The Earth changes on its own. People arent the cause. This is all herp a derp.[/size]

Speaking loudly does not make your BS true, you know that right?

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Ive been going to the same beach in Florida for 15 years. The sea level there is still the same as it was.

Some hurricanes eroded some sand, but they just dumped more on the beach.

Everything is fine.
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He Man  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:22 PM)
Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:20 PM)
[ ]The Earth changes on its own. People arent the cause. This is all herp a derp.[/size]

Speaking loudly does not make your BS true, you know that right?

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Yes it does. The bigger the better.
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He Man  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:21 PM)
Yep it is happening just as it was predicted by science and research.






Scream1

Gore predicted the arctic would be ice free by now...

the science is a little fuzzy at best.

and then there is the real stand by point of view

don't f*cking care anyway.

Maybe the doom will thin down some of the dependent communist sh*t bags
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RE: Let’s have a worthy debate about sea level rise
The hardest part of dealing with sea-level rise will be the uncertainty

[Image: global_average_sea_level_change_medium__1_.png]

Quote:But there’s a troubling asterisk here: We still don’t know exactly how high oceans are likely to rise this century. Studies have suggested it could be anywhere from 2 to 6 feet or more — with newer evidence leaning toward the higher end, depending on emissions and how quickly parts of West Antarctica’s massive ice sheet disintegrate. Worse, climate scientists probably won’t be able to pin down an exact number anytime soon, because getting a handle on ice-sheet dynamics is inherently tricky.

That’s not reason for complacency, though. It actually makes preparation more urgent and difficult, because coastal cities will have to start mounting defenses in the face of considerable uncertainty. (This map, for instance, shows how different levels of sea-level rise could put different parts of New York City underwater.)

That means, as climate scientists Michael Oppenheimer and Richard Alley explain in a new paper in Science, that coastal areas will have to learn to master the art of flexibility — developing sea walls and other defenses that can evolve over time — and be ready for a wide array of plausible outcomes. Meanwhile, scientists themselves need to get much better at conveying the “deep uncertainties” around ice sheets and sea levels.

“The response can’t just be to wait until the science clears up,” says Oppenheimer, a climate and geosciences expert at Princeton University. “Because it’s unlikely we’re going to get a sharp answer anytime soon. And if policymakers sit around waiting for a definitive answer, they could find it’s too late to avoid disastrous levels of change.”


Why it’s so hard to figure out exactly how high sea levels will rise?
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environme...ty-climate
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This graph shows the increase in climate change BS over the past 20 years

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Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:27 PM)
This graph shows the increase in climate change BS over the past 20 years

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chuckle

I think that graph is wrong...it should show much faster growth in the insane, alarmist bullshit.

So what?...

The climate is changing.

It always has and always will. This rock has gone from snowball earth to temperate forests at the poles...before humans ever fell out of the trees and started making fire and stacking rocks.

There is nothing you can do about it. You can't slow it down, stop it or reverse it.

Taking people's money and limiting the enjoyment of their lives is just a control mechanism.

It's not going to fix a god damned thing
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Damrod  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:30 PM)
Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:27 PM)
This graph shows the increase in climate change BS over the past 20 years

[Image: upward-graph-drawing-blank-paper-footage...still.jpeg]

chuckle

I think that graph is wrong...it should show much faster growth in the insane, alarmist bullshit.

So what?...

The climate is changing.

It always has and always will. This rock has gone from snowball earth to temperate forests at the poles...before humans ever fell out of the trees and started making fire and stacking rocks.

There is nothing you can do about it. You can slow it down, stop it or reverese it.

Taking people's money and limiting the enjoyment of their lives is just a control mechanism.

It's not going to fix a god damned thing

Control Freaks think they can control nature. What narcissists.

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U.S. high-tide ‘nuisance’ flooding twice what it was 30 years ago: NOAA report

Quote:The report found Sabine Pass, Texas, had 23 days of high-tide flooding last year. The area is part of Port Arthur, where most houses now stand on stilts after the community was hit repeatedly by destructive hurricanes. Atlantic City, New Jersey, and Boston had 22 each. Cities in other parts of the country experienced fewer tidal floods, but many of those cities still saw records set.

“Though year-to-year and regional variability exist, the underlying trend is quite clear: Due to sea level rise, the national average frequency of high tide flooding is double what it was 30 years ago,” the report said.

Ben Horton a Rutgers University researcher who was not involved in the study, called it “a warning, a shot across the bow.”

“Across the whole of the U.S. coastline, we are in dire need of action,” he said.

In addition to the conclusions of the report, Horton said it is just as significant that “this is a federally funded sea-level assessment funded by the Trump Administration, and it shows that the problems on our coasts are getting worse and will get worse.”

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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/0...aa-report/


Delmarva Daily Times:

Flooded yards and overflowing drainage ditches are a way of life on Smith Island, as the offshore island in Somerset County regularly takes a beating from tidal flooding and storms that come up the bay.

Ocean Pines saw some tidal flooding and downed trees during the weekend's storm, but seemed to fare well.

The latest news on the mid-Atlantic winter storm's impact on Virginia's Eastern Shore.

Expect heavy, rain, gusty winds and possible tidal flooding in Maryland and Delaware.

Wind & tidal flooding are still issues in coastal Delaware as a result of the storms that took place the last few days.

Coastal areas at risk of increased tidal flooding in 15-30 years, a new report says.

Weather forecasters warn of minor tidal flooding in coastal areas of Delaware.

https://www.delmarvanow.com/search/tidal%20flooding/

it isn't really to hard to find that some areas cop this much worse than others around the US coasts.
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I am enjoying this worthy debate.

Do you have anymore fake data or are we done now?
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (06-13-2018 04:45 PM)
Quote:Singer is arguably the granddaddy of modern-day climate change denialism. His latest commentary echoes the same misinformation as his recent Wall Street Journal commentary, “The Sea Is Rising, but Not Because of Climate Change.” It presents a virtual laundry list of discredited climate change denier talking points. No, sea levels aren’t rising at a steady rate — they are in fact accelerating. The rate of ice sheet melting in Greenland and Antarctica is also accelerating, in part due to warming oceans that erode the ice from beneath, destabilizing it.



These observations fly in the face of those who try to argue that sea level will continue to rise at the same rate, which is why legitimate scientific conclusions are reached not in op-ed pieces such as Singer’s, but through careful peer-reviewed research.

That research shows that sea levels are rising and human-caused climate change is the cause. Don’t just take our word for it; help yourself to the mountain of scientific literature demonstrating these inescapable conclusions.

Singer indeed knows that he doesn’t have the facts on his side, so he engages in distortion and diversion. For example, he takes a swipe at one of us as an “alarmist,” attacking the “Hockey Stick” curve published more than two decades ago demonstrating that recent warming is unprecedented in at least a thousand years. That work has been overwhelmingly reaffirmed and extended by subsequent work by numerous independent scientific teams. But professional climate change deniers continue to attack the curve because it is an iconic reminder of the profound impact that we are now having on this planet.

Perhaps because of the images of flooding that now permeate news broadcasts around the world as the seas rise and invade our coastlines, we are seeing a renewed attack on climate science: this time to discredit the link between human-caused climate change and sea level rise. Yet, even wealthy stretches of coastal real estate are feeling the pain of increased coastal flooding, the incidence of which has doubled over the past 30 years.

It is time to pivot and confront this head on. Even Singer’s opinion pieces do not deny the fact that sea level is rising. This is an issue that we can all get behind. Ensuring a secure coastal economy will benefit Americans of every stripe. If in doubt, just take in the symbolism painted inside of the dome of the U.S. Capitol building next time you walk through and note Minerva (science), Neptune (marine), and Mercury (commerce).

more:
http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-enviro...level-rise

spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:18 PM)
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Satellites are also used to measure bathymetry. Satellite radar maps deep-sea topography by detecting the subtle variations in sea level caused by the gravitational pull of undersea mountains, ridges, and other masses. On average, sea level is higher over mountains and ridges than over abyssal plains and trenches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathymetry

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TerrainBase Global Land Elevation and Ocean Depth
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Quote: It’s so obviously happening that denying its reality is a loser. It’s so obviously costly already (half a billion dollars in Miami) that trying to deny that will only prove that they’re not interested in reality. Sea level rise has gotten so out of hand, even climate deniers are worried about it (but for all the wrong reasons).


That’s why they keep trying the stupidest excuses imaginable to blame it on something — anything — other than global warming of course. The part which is both fascinating and disturbing is that, however moronic their claims, their followers are gullible enough to believe ’em.

Case in point: in a recent post I suggested that Roy Spencer move, together with his climate denial, to Miami Beach. This prompted a reader who is gullible enough to believe nonsense to comment:


Pardon me? Miami Beach? That pice of land where SUBSIDENCE is waaaay bigger than SLR? C’mon.

He’s just repeating some truly stupid bullshit, which makes him look truly stupid.

I guess he’s unaware that we have sea level data which is unaffected by land movement: the satellite data. It doesn’t measure relative sea level as tide gauges do, which depends on the height of the sea surface and the height of the land. It measures sea surface height directly.

We can compare the tide gauge data from Miami (Virginia Key is the closest station which is up-to-date) and the satellite data. The difference between relative sea level (from the tide gauge) and sea surface height (from satellites) estimates how the land has moved. And … what do we find? Here’s the satellite data for the ocean near Miami Beach (in blue) and the tide gauge data (in red):

[Image: compare.jpg?w=500&h=333]
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https://tamino.wordpress.com/2018/06/11/...king-fast/





https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9798

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-03474-8

spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:24 PM)
The hardest part of dealing with sea-level rise will be the uncertainty

[Image: global_average_sea_level_change_medium__1_.png]

Quote:But there’s a troubling asterisk here: We still don’t know exactly how high oceans are likely to rise this century. Studies have suggested it could be anywhere from 2 to 6 feet or more — with newer evidence leaning toward the higher end, depending on emissions and how quickly parts of West Antarctica’s massive ice sheet disintegrate. Worse, climate scientists probably won’t be able to pin down an exact number anytime soon, because getting a handle on ice-sheet dynamics is inherently tricky.

That’s not reason for complacency, though. It actually makes preparation more urgent and difficult, because coastal cities will have to start mounting defenses in the face of considerable uncertainty. (This map, for instance, shows how different levels of sea-level rise could put different parts of New York City underwater.)

That means, as climate scientists Michael Oppenheimer and Richard Alley explain in a new paper in Science, that coastal areas will have to learn to master the art of flexibility — developing sea walls and other defenses that can evolve over time — and be ready for a wide array of plausible outcomes. Meanwhile, scientists themselves need to get much better at conveying the “deep uncertainties” around ice sheets and sea levels.

“The response can’t just be to wait until the science clears up,” says Oppenheimer, a climate and geosciences expert at Princeton University. “Because it’s unlikely we’re going to get a sharp answer anytime soon. And if policymakers sit around waiting for a definitive answer, they could find it’s too late to avoid disastrous levels of change.”


Why it’s so hard to figure out exactly how high sea levels will rise?
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environme...ty-climate

now let's start this again children.. this time try and pay attention.
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Nah, we will just quit bumping you and let the thread die now.
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[ ]Biased Tide Gauges Mean We’ve Been Systematically Underestimating Sea Level Rise[/size]

Most historical tide gauges were installed in the northern hemisphere, a legacy that has been skewing scientists’ modern interpretations of sea level rise.

https://www.hakaimagazine.com/news/biase...evel-rise/

Quote:...

Sea level rise is not occurring evenly across the planet. Tides, currents, and weather systems constantly alter sea levels, while tectonic forces move the land. Changes in Earth’s gravity and rotation also affect sea level, and melting ice caps cause a host of complex effects.

The result of this northern hemispheric concentration in tide gauges, then, is that long-term records have provided data that has led scientists to underestimate the rate of 20th-century sea level rise by as much as 0.2 millimeters per year, says Thompson. This is a fairly large amount, as the average rate of sea level rise over the past century is thought to be around 1.7 millimeters per year

...

This redistribution of water means tide gauge records of average sea levels in northern hemisphere cities are artificially low, because the northern hemisphere’s ice sheets are thought to be the largest sources of melt. Since tide gauges were predominantly installed in northern hemisphere cities, this is the source of the systemic bias.

The result adds to a growing body of research that suggests the sea level can change dramatically over shorter time periods than expected, says geoscientist Ben Horton of Rutgers University, who measures past sea levels using core samples. He says the result suggests climate models might not be calibrated correctly, which raises questions about their predictions for future sea level rise.

“This is not a feel-good moment. Showing that it is rising faster is not a good answer,” he says. “That indicates that our oceans are even more sensitive to climate change than we previously thought.”

The good news is, now that scientists are aware of this source of bias, they can take it into account in future climate models, Thompson says. The bad news is sea level rise may be happening more quickly than scientists thought.

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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (06-13-2018 05:36 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (06-13-2018 04:45 PM)
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now let's start this again children.. this time try and pay attention.
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Nah....

Made my point already which is actually beyond debate.

Climate has always changed and always will

You cannot "fix it" by taking away people's liberty and money

There is nothing that says this earth model should continue into perpetuity (humans included). I am sure all of the extinct hominids thought they deserved to continue on forever as well.

I don't give a f*ck anyway...

you are not skilled enough to debate any of that
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